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hyperknees91 said: kenshin_sama said: Heh, well, damn. While I didn't find the end of Rin's route all that emotional, I did at least like the scenes where they were together at that house. They were pretty cute and fun to watch. :3 But what bothers me the most is that the took out all the significance behind the escape by cutting it down. It was suppose to showcase Riki's reliability in tough situations. In the VN, he and Rin had to face many obstacles, and overcome the challenges of living alone and finding a way to survive. No it's more to show us that Riki doesn't understand what it means to be an adult. It's to show us how rash decisions can lead to dire consequences (which is what it shows here). You can't just do what you "want" if you don't have the means to actually accomplish it (in this case, Riki had no job and no money). For example he let Rin collect as many cats as she wanted because he wasn't strict enough with her even though they didn't really have the means to feed her. It basically showed us he wasn't actually capable of taking care of her at that point. Either way, he was expected to at least find a way to resolve the situation without anyone other than Rin helping him. Yes, Riki did make the wrong choices, and he did fail at what he sought out to do, but he and Rin needed to develop from that experience. Edit: Adding in spoiler just in case. |
| Just finished... My god, way better than i expected, all that new BGM during CHEAP TRICKS, which i thought was miles better in the anime. Though the runaway with Riki and Rin was rushed, the glorious content before that made this episode a 5/5 for me. Definitely my favorite episode so far, and i cant wait for Refrain next week. |
| この世界には。。。秘密がある |
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH8ZTOXC_Zg&fmt=18 The "Boy's Don't Cry"-Rearrange that played during the baseball match. - As a VN player, I'm loving this episode. Even through I'm a bit surprised they haven't said that the house belongs to Rin's grandfather. Well, but 1h + into 4mins, that's something... xD The new OST's are really awesome. After I watched the episode, I directly searched for the baseball match-theme, because I've already heard that rearrange like a year ago. |
Ol-Hybrius said: Just watched it. For me, best episode so far. The animation was great, the new OSTs were fine and Hanabi suited the escape perfectly. I didn't mind Koshiki's appearance, unlike other vn readers, in fact, I found it quite good that way. The match was also godly. Pretty satisfying so. I can only complain about too much evil smirks from Kyousuke. He is not supposed to be that bad, but it's quite irrelevant. The escape was rushed as hell (but is it still worth complaining about that ? The entire show is) but that was fine (even if I probably don't mind because I'm not that fond of Rin's route). The childhood memories added were pretty good also (Hanabi contributed a lot) as for the last sentence ("I'd forgotten that live means to lose."). A bit disappointed by not seeing Riki's vow, should be in the next episode since it has a great importance at the end. Can't wait to rewatch it with Refrain Subs. Brace yourself guys, Refrain is coming ! ;) I think you've pretty much summed up my thoughts to this point. We're working on the release ;3 The bros are what I care about, and Kyousuke in the anime is at least at VN-level. All the extra smirks just make him that much better for me. It's that love-hate part of Kyousuke that I want to see, and I hope the rest of the bros shine as well as their VN counterparts in the upcoming episodes. I couldn't give less fucks about the Rin parts. Though development for Rin would've been good to see, it's not what I liked Little Busters for. She seemed like a side character/ plot heroine to me, while the bros shined throughout Refrain. |
Vladz0rNov 9, 2013 10:54 AM
| Let's just hope they don't make a shitton of bad changes to Refrain. "There will be no modifications to the story." hasn't really held true for them. Heh, Rin's route has been pretty controversial, since this is where all the character motives started to show, and Kyousuke started to be an ass hole. Well, onto Refrain! |
Vladz0rNov 9, 2013 11:02 AM
Ol-Hybrius said: The entire point of the show is about to start and if they could do that much with a rushed Rin's route, I guess JC Staff can't screw it. Pretty much this! Dammit, can't wait for next week. |
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Vladz0r said: Ol-Hybrius said: Just watched it. For me, best episode so far. The animation was great, the new OSTs were fine and Hanabi suited the escape perfectly. I didn't mind Koshiki's appearance, unlike other vn readers, in fact, I found it quite good that way. The match was also godly. Pretty satisfying so. I can only complain about too much evil smirks from Kyousuke. He is not supposed to be that bad, but it's quite irrelevant. The escape was rushed as hell (but is it still worth complaining about that ? The entire show is) but that was fine (even if I probably don't mind because I'm not that fond of Rin's route). The childhood memories added were pretty good also (Hanabi contributed a lot) as for the last sentence ("I'd forgotten that live means to lose."). A bit disappointed by not seeing Riki's vow, should be in the next episode since it has a great importance at the end. Can't wait to rewatch it with Refrain Subs. Brace yourself guys, Refrain is coming ! ;) I think you've pretty much summed up my thoughts to this point. We're working on the release ;3 The bros are what I care about, and Kyousuke in the anime is at least at VN-level. All the extra smirks just make him that much better for me. It's that love-hate part of Kyousuke that I want to see, and I hope the rest of the bros shine as well as their VN counterparts in the upcoming episodes. I couldn't give less fucks about the Rin parts. Though development for Rin would've been good to see, it's not what I liked Little Busters for. She seemed like a side character/ plot heroine to me, while the bros shined throughout Refrain. Yeah. As much as I disagree with how Rin's route was handled as far as the grand scheme of things go, I can't say I think of her as anything more than a cute and lovable girl. But the guys are just soooooo much better in Refrain. If the anime does justice to their characters, it'll be a glorious adaption. I was definitely stoked for how Cheap Tricks was animated too. >:) |
| I have to agree with whoever said it's annoying reading these threads seeing VN readers whining every damn time over shit being cut. I understand being unhappy not seeing your favourite scenes animated but it really does get fucking annoying when every thread turns out like this. Personally, thought it was a good episode. It was obvious to me that they rushed the last bit of the episode, and while I would have liked to see more of them running away, it still worked fine. |
dark06star said: Why is everyone complaining about the Miyuki part? I played the VN and think that they did a very good job in this episode. Can people stop complaining already O.o Droplet said: I have to agree with whoever said it's annoying reading these threads seeing VN readers whining every damn time over shit being cut. I understand being unhappy not seeing your favourite scenes animated but it really does get fucking annoying when every thread turns out like this. Personally, thought it was a good episode. It was obvious to me that they rushed the last bit of the episode, and while I would have liked to see more of them running away, it still worked fine. Hey, as long as butts are hurt, complaints will persist. If you don't like it, don't forum. I can guarantee nothing but headaches if this kind of thing bothers you. What's more, many of these complaints have valid criticisms and useful for discussion. Or we could just be a happy-go-lucky group of LB fans and use all our forums posts to fangirl rave our treasured series and make no attempts to discus anything. Sounds like a pretty ideal thread. Getting butthurt over our butthurt is pointless. |
| Frankly I agree with Kyousuke. For Rin to actually fall apart after being away from everyone for a few days is pretty pathetic, I'm really not fond of those overly shy people who need protecting 24/7, it's kind of annoying. |
Vladz0r said: So is 8 E's enough? http://puu.sh/5diJO.jpg Anyway, sorry that you can't deduce shit about the shows you watch, and this isn't an opaque story like Clannad. Anyway, can't wait till Refrain finishes airing so people can realize why all the story pieces fall well into place, since they just assume the characters are random and unjustified and can't figure out their motives. <--- so far it's like that isn't it? Thanks for the explanation and taking the time for it, but ridicule Clannad compared LB is a joke Using terms like "shit or opaque" doesn't make you cool or look smart Flame all you want, but these were the thoughts I had during this episode as an anime only watcher Riki could have just denied that match due to a cheap trick and stayed with Rin They'll get caught anyway, as any runaways normally do I'm not going to glorify Fuuko or Clannad on how much better it is over LB Or when people started to promote LB right after Clannad finished airing on how epic LB 'is and should be animated too (Preferably by Kyoani) So far the only arc I really liked about LB is the first Arc with Komari, but I don't like her as a character or the VA behind (Daijuuuu buu) Mio Nishizono is very interesting character only I'll watch it till the end and see if it's worth an epic and opaque score Hope you'll finish subbing with Refrain Subs and don't drop it halfway like most new groups do And Kyousuke not being evil is obvious, but the way they portrayed it was poor |
AversaNov 11, 2013 6:04 AM
1lau said: Vladz0r said: So is 8 E's enough? http://puu.sh/5diJO.jpg Anyway, sorry that you can't deduce shit about the shows you watch, and this isn't an opaque story like Clannad. Anyway, can't wait till Refrain finishes airing so people can realize why all the story pieces fall well into place, since they just assume the characters are random and unjustified and can't figure out their motives. <--- so far it's like that isn't it? Thanks for the explanation and taking the time for it, but ridicule Clannad compared LB is a joke Using terms like "shit or opaque" doesn't make you cool or look smart Flame all you want, but these were the thoughts I had during this episode as an anime only watcher Riki could have just denied that match due to a cheap trick and stayed with Rin They'll get caught anyway, as any runaways normally do I'm not going to glorify Fuuko or Clannad on how much better it is over LB Or when people started to promote LB right after Clannad finished airing on how epic LB 'is and should be animated too (Preferably by Kyoani) So far the only arc I really liked about LB is the first Arc with Komari, but I don't like her as a character or the VA behind (Daijuuuu buu) Mio Nishizono is very interesting character only I'll watch it till the end and see if it's worth an epic and opaque score Hope you'll finish subbing with Refrain Subs and don't drop it halfway like most new groups do And Kyousuke not being evil is obvious, but the way they portrayed it was poor I don't think you can really talk about which is better out of Clannad and LB. First of all, you're an anime only viewer. You have no idea what either of the quality for both Little Busters and Clannad are really like with their source material. Second of all, LB isn't even finished yet. I'll tell you right now, the power of EVERYTHING in LB rides off of the power of the Refrain route itself. LB's character routes were mediocre, the common route wasn't overly fantastic and overall, it wasn't the greatest VN experience... UNTIL you hit Refrain. Now, I can ramble on about Clannad and LB and how I find LB to be better, but just like you, I don't feel it's worth the time or effort. As for Kyousuke's portrayal, I really have to disagree with you. Kyousuke's meant to be portrayed as antagonistic. It's a layer of his character and from Riki's point of view, he's doing quite mean things. Portraying Kyousuke as a villain is a brilliant artistic choice of placing the viewers/readers into Riki's perspective. And let's be honest. If Kyousuke hadn't started to seem somewhat villainous, would it really be as interesting? If he just continued being portrayed the exact same way he has throughout the whole series? No. Not one bit. |
AversaNov 11, 2013 6:05 AM
| Guys..it's pointless to compare clannad and little busters. Yes they are both by key but they are totally different experiences. This is like comparing Rewrite with Kanon. Why the heck would anyone do that? Totally different stories with totally different tones. Your better off comparing Clannad to Usagi drop. While your better off comparing little busters to something like chihayafuru or honey and clover. Growing up and dealing with adult hardships vs friendship are completely different subject matters. |
| The Little Busters! disintegrate more and more, I think it is time to know the secret Kyousuke :/ Masato must have their reasons. The moment Masato saw the girl, and hit Kyousuke, was brutal. I loved this anime! o/ |
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| Yet again episode I have so many mixed feelings about... Up to the cheap tricks it was nearly PERFECT, nice animation, new GREAT MUSIC (though that one disco remix ? sounded kinda weird, but not unsuiting I guess). Kengo was a love, Masato & Kyousuke were badass. MY FAVOURITE Kyousuke's CG was ruined though :( In the anime he just... Stares at them like a rapist, when in the game he was smiling like a real villian after the epic win. Why they didn't use just some damn, awesome frame, instead of some lame animation. Just for the comparison: http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/3511/yyuc.png Second thing anyway - Escape. Was. Horrible. I'm so pissed off about it, I don't even want to write much. I wasn't even counting for an entire episode, but it lasted... Three fucking minutes. I don't even know if I should laugh or cry. |
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| It was a great episode until the last few minutes. They really rushed the scene with Rin at the house. Anime only viewers won't have any idea what the heck happened. I'll spell it out for those who don't know, according to the visual novel and the best of my memory. |
 Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol. |
| Somehow it felt rushed on certain scenes, but nevertheless it was an emotional impact especially the scenes for Riki and Rin and the baseball match where Kengo punched Kyousuke. Felt bad for Rin when she was alone into her new school, and Riki comes to run away with her. Dat powerful embrace though at the end. |
1lau said: Thanks for the explanation and taking the time for it, but ridicule Clannad compared LB is a joke Using terms like "shit or opaque" doesn't make you cool or look smart Flame all you want, but these were the thoughts I had during this episode as an anime only watcher Riki could have just denied that match due to a cheap trick and stayed with Rin They'll get caught anyway, as any runaways normally do I'm not going to glorify Fuuko or Clannad on how much better it is over LB Or when people started to promote LB right after Clannad finished airing on how epic LB 'is and should be animated too (Preferably by Kyoani) So far the only arc I really liked about LB is the first Arc with Komari, but I don't like her as a character or the VA behind (Daijuuuu buu) Mio Nishizono is very interesting character only I'll watch it till the end and see if it's worth an epic and opaque score Hope you'll finish subbing with Refrain Subs and don't drop it halfway like most new groups do And Kyousuke not being evil is obvious, but the way they portrayed it was poor The thing about Clannad's routes is that they're ALL straightforward. Besides Haruka and most of Komari's routes, the rest of the story is all missing understanding that comes with Refrain. I meant Clannad was opaque in that it has no further value upon later reflection. Riki didn't deny the match because the "cheap trick" only appeared to Kengo. You'll later find out why Kengo wouldn't have called the game illegitimate, and why to Riki and Masato, it just seemed like Kengo was overreacting to his defeat. The way they portrayed Kyousuke was poor? You're supposed to see him as antagonistic and manipulative at this point in the show, because he's forcing Riki and Rin to go according to his scheme. There's no poor or incorrect portrayal there. Sorry for all the arguing, but what I've been meaning to say is that the viewer is supposed to be curious and analyzing the character motives, but I can see why some parts of the plot seem like they could just be solved in another way. Rin could just reject going to the school, Kyousuke doesn't have the power to do that, Riki could've said the game was unfair, etc. You'll find out why all of those story points are important and justified in Refrain. I didn't even say anything about the animation, so don't lump me in with those people. It's the story that needs to be well executed first and foremost, and they're setting it up similarly to the VN in most of the aspects you've mentioned. We'll finish with Refrain Subs soon, and thanks for using our subs ;3 |
| pace!!!!! pace!!!! Darned pace!!!! (I thought it'll be 24 episodes, not 13....) They gulped the darned 12 hours of VN into one single ED! No cats scene, no grandpa, and WHERE IS THE DARK? They ate Rin within one darned ED. JC Staff, you've done a good job in the first season, but this episode is .... swallowed! ------ Edit: But seriously, the shock I got from Little busters VN is far superior than Clannad. I really hope they'd do a good equation to make that applies in the anime too :-/ |
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theKDL said: pace!!!!! pace!!!! Darned pace!!!! (I thought it'll be 24 episodes, not 13....) They gulped the darned 12 hours of VN into one single ED! No cats scene, no grandpa, and WHERE IS THE DARK? They ate Rin within one darned ED. JC Staff, you've done a good job in the first season, but this episode is .... swallowed! 12 hours? I don't get where people come up with these numbers... I could read Rin's entire route 3 or 4 times in 12 hours. I could read their housing part at least 10 times in 12 hours. Anyways... Called game: http://i.minus.com/iMGdKYvs0EsuY.gif I do prefer the original CG http://static.zerochan.net/Natsume.Kyousuke.full.278533.jpg The smirk made it better, while he has a more hostile look in the anime. But shit, even PA Works gave Naoi the proper "Called game" smirk in Angel Beats: http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/131109/kv2axxd9.jpg Ah well. It's a little detail, though it shows laziness with how faithful they're willing to be with the VN. It's like they went out of their way to change his facial expression. I guess someone will have to go edit the anime version and give him a smirk at some point. |
| Naoi's face is drawn pretty terribly there now that I look at it. The smirk is gone but the scene interpretation is slightly different. It's kind of like kyousuke saying "I'm dead serious about doing this" While...I have no idea why he was smirking even now in the visual novel. It actually doesn't make much sense. |
| Certainly would have hoped for more of the countryside-time =/ But at least the 'Cheap Tricks' scene was executed well in my opinion (Kyosuke should have received more hits, though) - the badass CG was done as well as anime adaptations allow. It was impossible to make it the same as in the VN simply because of style differences. Some of the moments I enjoyed were skipped, but oh well. Refrain time now! |
hyperknees91 said: Naoi's face is drawn pretty terribly there now that I look at it. The smirk is gone but the scene interpretation is slightly different. It's kind of like kyousuke saying "I'm dead serious about doing this" While...I have no idea why he was smirking even now in the visual novel. It actually doesn't make much sense. It pretty much just has impact. I didn't want to bring up how the anime version made more sense to me and betray my VN loyalty. The smirk seemed like he was adding insult to injury with the cheap tricks, in the VN. And your part about Kyousuke saying "I'm dead serious about doing things." does make more sense. I wish there would've been a closeup with lightning, instead of the lightning striking when the camera was still panning up to Kyousuke. |
| Didn't like this episode at all, it just felt like more forced melodrama to me. The so-called "refrain arc" had better live up to the hype that you VN people keep talking about. |
| Go ***k yourself. Polite as usual, lightXTC |
Vladz0r said: hyperknees91 said: Naoi's face is drawn pretty terribly there now that I look at it. The smirk is gone but the scene interpretation is slightly different. It's kind of like kyousuke saying "I'm dead serious about doing this" While...I have no idea why he was smirking even now in the visual novel. It actually doesn't make much sense. It pretty much just has impact. I didn't want to bring up how the anime version made more sense to me and betray my VN loyalty. The smirk seemed like he was adding insult to injury with the cheap tricks, in the VN. And your part about Kyousuke saying "I'm dead serious about doing things." does make more sense. I wish there would've been a closeup with lightning, instead of the lightning striking when the camera was still panning up to Kyousuke. The only thing I can think of is Kyousuke is trying his best in the VN to...branch himself away from Riki at that point. So he doesn't want to come off as an ally anymore. For reasons which cannot be spoiled. |
| My niggas from Refrain Subs said that "it kind of adds to his ego to prove he's on top." Alright, need to study Calc and be somewhat productive this weekend, no more forums for me, hopefully. I'll be monitoring all the data from you guys on the forums, don't worry. I'll be grinning at all the scores going up with the Refrain revelations. |
| Nah, don't hate on everyone. I think if I watched parts of the show now, I would've had the same thoughts watching the anime up until the revelation. I only grasp the purpose of every event in the anime due to VN experience and hindsight. |
| Wow, that was heartbreaking, evil Kyousuke was awesome! This show is one of my favorites this season! |
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| Wah! They kept pushing all through the credits! Didn't explain the house at all, why they chose to go there, or what made Riki realize he couldn't take care of Rin. Also, Rin wouldn't let Riki do the laundry. Of all the things to show him doing! XD That was really rushed. Painfully so... The art was really crisp, but I feel they could have used more frames to make things smoother. So far my least favorite of the 6, actually ^^" |
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| Ok, J.C. Staff is taking liberties again. Changing so much stuff.... Well, these changes have a good and a bad side, I guess. I suppose they showed Miyuki in order to not repeat the scene during episode - Kengo. They crammed the last part of Rin route into just a few mins. Actually, that way they made Rin way more likeable that way. They omnitted all instances that would make people dislike her. On the other hand, it's bad for the plot, since Good work on the facial expressions of Kyousuke and Masato. Too many good lines of Kengo skipped. "100 battles - no defeat" "if you let go of her hand, only despair will await you" "if you do, the Little busters will be eternal" etc. Well, whatever. At least they bought themselves some more time so we'll get more episodes for Refrain! Refrain > Rin2 |
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Naoki-Saten said: Ok, J.C. Staff is taking liberties again. Changing so much stuff.... Well, these changes have a good and a bad side, I guess. I suppose they showed Miyuki in order to not repeat the scene during episode - Kengo. They crammed the last part of Rin route into just a few mins. Actually, that way they made Rin way more likeable that way. They omnitted all instances that would make people dislike her. On the other hand, it's bad for the plot, since Good work on the facial expressions of Kyousuke and Masato. Too many good lines of Kengo skipped. "100 battles - no defeat" "if you let go of her hand, only despair will await you" "if you do, the Little busters will be eternal" etc. Well, whatever. At least they bought themselves some more time so we'll get more episodes for Refrain! Refrain > Rin2 Don't forget about 'This? Tis but a mere decoration!' when talking about his arm. |
Seano299 said: Don't forget about 'This? Tis but a mere decoration!' when talking about his arm. Right. Since the VN re-uses that aspect. But I think J.C. managed to make an even more subtle foreshadowing |
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| Rin ending up with Riki is like one of the rare moments where the childhood heroine actually wins over the protagonist |
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Naoki-Saten said: Seano299 said: Don't forget about 'This? Tis but a mere decoration!' when talking about his arm. Right. Since the VN re-uses that aspect. But I think J.C. managed to make an even more subtle foreshadowing |
1lau said: Running away like a forbidden couple was even more hilarious Is narcolepsy not convenient enough to occur now? That just goes to show that they are still kids. A lot of kids think running away from home would solve all the bad things that happen to them. |
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| This is getting really crazy! haha, best episode so far |
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| pretty great episode hopefully not to many people have figured it out yet because that'd ruin some of the greatness of Refrain! still gotta give them props to being able to cram a couple of hours into the ED lol "forced drama" you just don't know you just DON'T KNOW! |
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JimRaynor said: 1lau said: Absurd, what a load of forced drama! Why did they made Kyousuke an evil guy and that one eyed patched girl showing up to distract Kengo Running away like a forbidden couple was even more hilarious Is narcolepsy not convenient enough to occur now? Never said anything about Clannad or Fuuko on the comment Its the staff from refrain subs that was jabbing personally I judge what I see and not from the VN/Manga crap knowledge most of you have LB just didn't excite me at all till now and I'm not the only one on this Many viewers have already dropped or lowered the scores without even finishing it (May it not be the favorite Studio or just crappy adaption in their eyes) What does Key or Jun Maeda have to do with my opinion? Sounds like your a huge fanboy yourself I liked Kanon 2006 and Clannad, so what? It's going to end like Angel Beats if only the final episode miraculously explains everything Several other shows are much better so far like Golden Time and Nagi no Asakura A good runaway that was done is ToraDora |
AversaNov 11, 2013 5:48 AM
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