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TheTruthseven said: Now just so you guys dont get confused, the first thing you should do before going past this episode is to watch Eureka 7 episode 51 “New Order”. That episode will explain a whole lot, because it tells what happened between Eureka and Renton and why they separated. In order for Eureka to save the planet from disapearring, she had to place 7 of her memories or “fragments” in different areas. So in a way she kind of controlling these worlds to keep her fragments at bay. Renton promised Eureka that he would see her again and save her. So in the episode that you’re seeing now, this Eureka is from the past so she’s one of the memories that the REAL Eureka has placed on earth. The Eureka from the past was the time when she was pregnant with Ao (as you’ve seen the belly) and also this was before she fell from the sky. Remember? when people were telling Ao the story of how his mom came to the island? She then gave birth days after. This episode with this Eureka right now was before that happened because this was same clothing she was wearing when she fell from the sky. So yeah, basically the REAL Eureka is still out somewhere controlling the fragments. As for the Gekko coming out from the scub coral Im sure it’ll be explained later in the story. Hope this info has helped. It's still unclear as to whether "New Order" is even canon. If it is, in relation to AO, then the ending of the first series was COMPLETELY retconned (as it directly contradicts much of what happened in episode 50). I highly doubt this is what happened, but if it is, words cannot describe the rage that'll be surging through every fiber of my being. |
| To my knowledge, "New Order" is an alternate retelling of the end of the first series at some event relating to E7 (shortly after the series finished), and had the voice actors of Eureka and Renton reading their lines from this alternate script. Basically, it was fan-pandering that was never meant to be taken seriously in canonical relation to the TV series. Apparently a bunch of fans loved it, however, and it successfully got released with a montage of events that happened in the original anime (with the dramatization audio in the background). I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that "New Order" is not the work that functions to bridge the gap between E7 and AO. If it is, then it betrays the fans of the original, and greatly cheapens the experience for those who have stuck with the franchise all these years. |
Dangerr said: To my knowledge, "New Order" is an alternate retelling of the end of the first series at some event relating to E7 (shortly after the series finished), and had the voice actors of Eureka and Renton reading their lines from this alternate script. Basically, it was fan-pandering that was never meant to be taken seriously in canonical relation to the TV series. Apparently a bunch of fans loved it, however, and it successfully got released with a montage of events that happened in the original anime (with the dramatization audio in the background). I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that "New Order" is not the work that functions to bridge the gap between E7 and AO. If it is, then it betrays the fans of the original, and greatly cheapens the experience for those who have stuck with the franchise all these years. Agreed. I really, really don't think "New Order" is meant to be canon. |
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| I was getting a bit bored watching, but it excites me to see some of the older characters return. I wonder if Renton will show up soon. |
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| I can't imagine watching this series without having seen the original. I'm actually rewatching season 1 because I got so hyped after ep 12. (There are a lot of things I didn't remember, like how there were "Scub Bursts" in S1 too) I highly recommend it for everyone. Also, I just read it over at RandomC that the Gekko in this episode had the same damages it got at the end of E7, so at least it's confirmed that it's the same Gekko. |
TheTruthseven said: The only thing i've been hating so far is how people were talking shit about E7Ao. People it's only been 12 fucking episodes calm down. It will eventually get better. Yes, there was more character development early on in Eureka Seven. But when did it get better? towards the middle. People have a right to be frustrated if the series waves a carrot on a stick (the motivation) for the viewers, telling them: "Just wait! It may not be good yet, but if you hold out long enough, it'll be the best thing ever!". An ideal television series containing an overarching plot should aim to be not only consistently entertaining, but succeed in substantiating its long-running plot elements in a satisfying and coherent manner. That being said, I think it's done a successful job, for the most part, in providing consistent entertainment, and disagree with many of the criticisms it's been receiving. While I don't fault many of the regular critics for voicing their opinions and complaints, I think a lot of people have gone into this with misplaced expectations, overlooking certain details, or have placed unrealistically high standards upon the series for what it is. Being the sequel of E7 certainly demands a high standard of quality, but it's also trying to be a disparate entity that's more or less fundamentally different from the series that had spawned it - it's trying to be different, and that has shaken a lot of people up, going in expecting something a lot more familiar, or palatable to their sensibilities regarding the first series, which will only lead to inevitable disappointment. I feel an important factor to enjoying this series is going into it with an open mind as possible, and to see it for what it is. |
| awwwwyeahh.. finally getting somewhere |
Dont bother replying to my posts in forums, dont check them afterwards. |
| Waiting a week is gonna be hell. I hope Holland or Talho make an appearance soon. |
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| Just had to join this place, seems that I cant find any other discussion on the topic around. Im trying to wrap my head around what they have in store for the following few episodes. I do agree with what has been said about a show losing its appeal fast with revealing to much to soon so Im thinking they will cool a few things down and let some time pass before the next big reveal. |
| I think, and I could be wrong on this, that episode 51 holds more importance than we realize it does because it came after and it had a "sad" ending. (if that is what one calls sad) The fact of the matter is the voice acting was real, that lends credence to its importance to the series. Obviously Im not 100% sure about this nor could it be true BUT, if Eureka is indeed trying to return these fragments it answers a few odd questions. Depending on how episode 13 plays out this may or may not be a good guess, but I think that this is indeed the same eureka. This earth might be the product of one of these fragments. Without knowing what the fragments actually are its tough to make a hypothesis (but they did indeed scatter in episode 50.) I think this earth was created by one of the fragments and although the details are vague I do think that the world AO is currently taking place on is a "dream" of sorts created by said fragment. Where the Scub Bursts, or Secrets come in is really unknown to me as are the details that surround Eureka and her appearance whenever she comes. A lot of those are still unknown but what I do think is that based off of the dialogue from episode 51 she had to leave Renton to return the fragments to their earth to save it. Hell he might show up during the last episode and rescue her as he said he would find her in ep 51 and meet AO and have a good ole family reunion. Who knows really. One can dream eh? EDIT: Picture coming once I figure out why it won't link properly EDIT: K, Pic now included  |
LolnutJul 7, 2012 3:32 AM
Astralsailor said: I do agree with what has been said about a show losing its appeal fast with revealing to much to soon so Im thinking they will cool a few things down and let some time pass before the next big reveal. knightofdread said: i believe that the episodes have already been preplanned, so they don't release stuff on a whim it will all have been preplanned in advance, just think of a movie they don't write the script as they go they already have a ready script than they start filming. any show is like that, now some shows do get canceled and they have to improvise a ending but the majority of the time they don't pick and choose when to release info like that. Sorry if it seemed as I was takling out of the hat and implying that they would create the episodes as they go. What I meant was that I think we will experience a cooldown of the events revelaed in the series (being written already ofcourse). This because I would imagine they would take in to account that revealing to much to fast for the shows audience would be hurtfull to the plot and make it boring and dragged out. The original series I think had the perfect upswing on what was told about the scub coral and the world as a whole. I remember watching the show when it came out and I was really frustrated that there was not that many episodes around at the time. Somehow even tho I liked it back then I slipped away from it and just recently watched all of it in one go to understand the events taking place now. the more I watched of the original series the more I was hoping for the same type of "cant wait for the next epiode feeling" in this series. |
AstralsailorJul 7, 2012 4:36 AM
| Holy s**t! It's the Gekko-Go, I almost cried... d(♥o♥)b Err...she doesn't remember Ao. x_X Ahh Renton, where art thou? Or at least what happened to the guy...sheesh. Oh well, moving on. |
| You see there's no need to wonder where your god is, Coz he's right here! ...and he's fresh out of mercy. |
| DAT Gekko o/ As for Eureka, being pregnant in her present apparence seems to make some sense. But it is also to note that in next episode's preview, there seem to be two different Eurekas. First one which appeared in the current episode (can't stress enough how EPIC the last part was), seemingly pregnant but also a second one, which is really close to the older Eureka who appears appologizing to Ao in the flashback. |
| Yay, she's back!! <3 But I have to leave for boot camp this Tuesday... why god, why?! T_T |
| DIE AO! I WANT MY EUREKA AND RENTON |
| Yeah! Eureka and Gekko are back. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Its wonderful to see the good old Gekko once again, but I wonder with the arrival of the Gekko and Eureka what kind of new conflicts will this create. |
| "To Win a War, You Must Lose a War First" |
| omg. so much fangasm at the end of the episode!!! |
| F***ING GEKKO MAN! That's what I'm talking about =) |
| After this episode anyone else hoping that the Nirvash fights a secret and goes all Seventh Swell on them bitches? |
| I screamed as soon as I saw Gekkostate discovered in the scub coral! The question is now...if that Nirvash is the original, then what's the Nirvash Ao is piloting? And it seems like the Eureka we see probably isn't the same as Ao's mom because of the questionable greeting and that we see some sort of hologram like projection of her at the end... I WANT THE NEXT EPISODE HERE NOW! |
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| What the hell... ... Is..that Eureka..like..a clone or new design or...w/e the hell..I'm so...mind fucked. |
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| In short all i can say is **** yea they're back! |
| :O shit just got real AND I LOVE IT!!!! |
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| Alright kind of an off topic question here, but, is Eureka 7 AO a continuation of the manga or the anime? I was originally thinking it was the anime because of the moon in episode 11 but I just watched Eureka 7 episode 51 (New Order - I am late i know) and it seems to be similar to the manga. Can anyone clarify this for me? BTW. Eureka 7 New Order is a prequel to AO correct? New Order actually cleared up alot of my questions honestly, so I think it might be directly related to AO. |
ChuphenjJul 8, 2012 12:00 AM
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| YESSSSS THEIR BACK, Gekkostate My fav Mothership, I Screamed Alll Yeah when i saw that, thing are finallly starting to kick up with this Twist again. |
Lolnut said: LucarioNate said: Alright kind of an off topic question here, but, is Eureka 7 AO a continuation of the manga or the anime? I was originally thinking it was the anime because of the moon in episode 11 but I just watched Eureka 7 episode 51 (New Order - I am late i know) and it seems to be similar to the manga. Can anyone clarify this for me? BTW. Eureka 7 New Order is a prequel to AO correct? New Order actually cleared up alot of my questions honestly, so I think it might be directly related to AO. To answer the first bit. I suppose. I don't personally think that New Order is based off of the manga because it just doesn't fit. I don't remember any reference to fragments in the manga either though I am checking. Also, Dominic could pilot type TheEND right? In New Order with the dialogue between Eureka, Anemone, and Dominic it sounds like Dominic is still his under-dominate self who doesn't pilot TheEND. So I don't believe New Order is based off of the manga at all. It is in fact what came after episode 50. Given some unknown period of time before the dialogue takes place. So the series ends at episode 50. Then time passes, and 51 takes place with Eureka needing to return these fragments to the earth to save it. Lastly, My theory hinges on the idea that New Order is the prequel to AO and gives us a good idea to the plot. It answers some of the bizarre questions but also leaves a few others and is not without its holes. Alrighty! Thanks man cleared up alot. I think that if people haven't seen New Order they should since it definitely tells alot about whats to come in AO. |
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Lolnut said: LucarioNate said: Alright kind of an off topic question here, but, is Eureka 7 AO a continuation of the manga or the anime? I was originally thinking it was the anime because of the moon in episode 11 but I just watched Eureka 7 episode 51 (New Order - I am late i know) and it seems to be similar to the manga. Can anyone clarify this for me? BTW. Eureka 7 New Order is a prequel to AO correct? New Order actually cleared up alot of my questions honestly, so I think it might be directly related to AO. To answer the first bit. I suppose. I don't personally think that New Order is based off of the manga because it just doesn't fit. I don't remember any reference to fragments in the manga either though I am checking. Also, Dominic could pilot type TheEND right? In New Order with the dialogue between Eureka, Anemone, and Dominic it sounds like Dominic is still his under-dominate self who doesn't pilot TheEND. Lolnut said: LucarioNate said: So I don't believe New Order is based off of the manga at all. It is in fact what came after episode 50. Given some unknown period of time before the dialogue takes place. So the series ends at episode 50. Then time passes, and 51 takes place with Eureka needing to return these fragments to the earth to save it. Lastly, My theory hinges on the idea that New Order is the prequel to AO and gives us a good idea to the plot. It answers some of the bizarre questions but also leaves a few others and is not without its holes. Alrighty! Thanks man this cleared up alot of questions. I actually think that if people haven't seen New Order, they should check it out since it explains something that may be significant to the plot. |
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