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Kenzolo-folk said:
@Saimatsu_Fan
the whole point is that i wasn't expecting it to be bad..
and the people that actually responded instead of shittalking did help me appreciate the series more and change my perspective like i've said probably three times already.
@Saimatsu_Fan
the whole point is that i wasn't expecting it to be bad..
and the people that actually responded instead of shittalking did help me appreciate the series more and change my perspective like i've said probably three times already.
yes but you STILL DECIDED to watch it again despite the " pedophila "
| @Saimatsu_Fan Mhm right.. thanks for letting me know you can read well? Thats the whole point of the post. The pedo thing isn't the entire show (worldbuilding, chara development balh blah etc), and I thought watching it would give some nuance to it. And it did, Rudeus isn't exactly a pedo the way I thought he was in the beginning. What exactly is the point ur trying to make here im confused. Even my first run-through I knew that the main character is supposed to be unlikeable, I just was comfortable about it at first. The second watch is to ignore my personal bias and focus on the actual story instead of mindlessly hating on it. |
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Kenzolo-folk said: i went back to watching mushoku tensei because I dropped it cuz the pedophilia stuff was creeping me out. i gave it another chance cuz i thought maybe I was being smooth brained for letting my personal biases cloud my judgement, and people kept saying that besides the weird stuff the story is actually a masterpiece. Where??  I'm at season 2 and this shit is still mid as fuck. I just want to know what amazing development, worldbuilding, storytelling genius is going on here? Most importantly season 1, it has an 8.37 on mal but this shit is still an average isekai (EDIT: i no longer think this) to me. also so i dont get banned for the 6th time lets try not to mention the pedo stuff im just talking about the story in general. (EDIT: we ended up talking about it) Before someone says "why do u care so much" "its just ur personal taste" im just saying im surprised cuz my taste is usually mainstream as fuck, like I usually enjoy stuff most people like. so i wanna know what aspect of this story is so appealing to people and why im missing it? I personally dislike the story because it tries to make you accept such a person also because hes fat and ugly lol. |
Reply to Saimatsu_Fan
Kenzolo-folk said:
@Saimatsu_Fan
Mhm right.. thanks for letting me know you can read well? Thats the whole point of the post. The pedo thing isn't the entire show (worldbuilding, chara development balh blah etc), and I thought watching it would give some nuance to it. And it did, Rudeus isn't exactly a pedo the way I thought he was in the beginning. What exactly is the point ur trying to make here im confused.
Even my first run-through I knew that the main character is supposed to be unlikeable, I just was comfortable about it at first. The second watch is to ignore my personal bias and focus on the actual story instead of mindlessly hating on it.
@Saimatsu_Fan
Mhm right.. thanks for letting me know you can read well? Thats the whole point of the post. The pedo thing isn't the entire show (worldbuilding, chara development balh blah etc), and I thought watching it would give some nuance to it. And it did, Rudeus isn't exactly a pedo the way I thought he was in the beginning. What exactly is the point ur trying to make here im confused.
Even my first run-through I knew that the main character is supposed to be unlikeable, I just was comfortable about it at first. The second watch is to ignore my personal bias and focus on the actual story instead of mindlessly hating on it.
" i watched this show despite the pedophila because at least it's not everything!! "
| @Saimatsu_Fan I don't drop shows just because it has pedophilia in it, ffs I like berserk. I drop it when it glorifies it. |
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| If you don’t enjoy it, just drop it. There is no reason for anyone to force themselves to consume a fiction that they do not enjoy. Always ignore the MAL ratings and popularity. I have neither watched Jujutsu Kaisen nor Chainsaw Man because I know I will fall asleep at the characters describing their superpowers. I have read all 26 volumes of the light novels. Rudeus is not a pedophile( just a perverted creep. |
| It's a story about a degenerated guy who got a 2nd chance in life, he's still a pervert and prone to mistakes, but overall he does better than before so it's kind of inspiring. Not everyone can relate to such a protagonist and that's fine, but those who can tend to defend the show because it gives them hope and they kind of identify with it. |
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| I dont think this anime is mainstream. Its more like Infamous in the community. Its well known for controversial reasons. At one hand we have people defending rudeus with their soul considering it to be the best anime, on the other hand we have people dropping this show cause of how poorly written it is. Most people who hated it dropped it at season 1. |
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Reply to NewestPersonHere
If you don’t enjoy it, just drop it.
There is no reason for anyone to force themselves to consume a fiction that they do not enjoy.
Always ignore the MAL ratings and popularity. I have neither watched Jujutsu Kaisen nor Chainsaw Man because I know I will fall asleep at the characters describing their superpowers.
I have read all 26 volumes of the light novels.
Rudeus is not a pedophile( just a perverted creep.
There is no reason for anyone to force themselves to consume a fiction that they do not enjoy.
Always ignore the MAL ratings and popularity. I have neither watched Jujutsu Kaisen nor Chainsaw Man because I know I will fall asleep at the characters describing their superpowers.
I have read all 26 volumes of the light novels.
Rudeus is not a pedophile( just a perverted creep.
| @NewestPersonHere Some people get really hurt when a work doesn't turn out the way they wanted, so they start a crusade against the title and the author. I know what I'm talking about, I'm like that myself :3 |
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This isn't mainstream which is why you dislike it. S2 managed to tackle heavy topics without seeming out of touch. Its a fantasy world, yet Rudy is going thru real world stuff. Heartbreak. Depression. Anxiety. Lack of self confidence. The feeling of worthlessness. Disassociation.
Real people go thru this stuff every single day. So if you can't relate to it (yet), maybe you're lucky. Or maybe it's not the right time for you to watch it. Everyone goes thru this period in their lives, especially men.
Real people go thru this stuff every single day. So if you can't relate to it (yet), maybe you're lucky. Or maybe it's not the right time for you to watch it. Everyone goes thru this period in their lives, especially men.
| @Otaku_4511 That’s not why I dislike it. And a lot of my favorite characters go through these things. I don’t hate it I just thought it was mid. I don’t feel the same way about it now |
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Kenzolo-folk said:
@Saimatsu_Fan
I don't drop shows just because it has pedophilia in it, ffs I like berserk. I drop it when it glorifies it.
@Saimatsu_Fan
I don't drop shows just because it has pedophilia in it, ffs I like berserk. I drop it when it glorifies it.
Well, tough luck, huh? If you don't like it, don't watch it. I don't get why you're so fixated on this. It's kinda pointless, don't you think? Why waste your time on it? You're just banging your head against a wall. Just watch what you like, you don't have to watch everything.
| @Lullabbyy Im just interacting with a thread I made. You guys are the ones taking this seriously or making it seem like I am. I don’t even hate the series, you guys just make up shit to argue with the wall. |
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Kenzolo-folk said:
@ktg
You're bringing random logic into this that I never introduced at all and you're just running with it. Where did i even imply that good things should happen when someone experiences something bad and vice versa? I'm not arguing for karma to happen to every single little situation that happens to these characters.
All im saying is if an author is gonna make a main character do something controversial, like kill an innocent or sexually harass some little girl while she's sleeping, there should be some in-universe consequence to prove the point that this character is learning from his mistakes and developing to be this so-called better person he ends up being. Him doing weird shit and then it immediately being something "funny" like he gets punched, thats not doing it for me. It just downplays wat happens. If you guys find that funny you do you but thats not me, we just have different preferences.
@ktg
You're bringing random logic into this that I never introduced at all and you're just running with it. Where did i even imply that good things should happen when someone experiences something bad and vice versa? I'm not arguing for karma to happen to every single little situation that happens to these characters.
All im saying is if an author is gonna make a main character do something controversial, like kill an innocent or sexually harass some little girl while she's sleeping, there should be some in-universe consequence to prove the point that this character is learning from his mistakes and developing to be this so-called better person he ends up being. Him doing weird shit and then it immediately being something "funny" like he gets punched, thats not doing it for me. It just downplays wat happens. If you guys find that funny you do you but thats not me, we just have different preferences.
Yes, you are arguing for karma. And that's what I was talking about. If it's not karma, then your argument is pretty invalid.
Realistically speaking, not all people who do some bad stuff get punished. So killing someone, raping someone without any punishment is perfectly realistic.
| @ktg I’m not asking for an in-universe punishment. That’s the level of reading comprehension I’m constantly dealing with you people. I said indirect, internalized or direct consequence. I’m not saying the character should always be punished in the story every single time they do something bad🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️.I’m more like talkjng about it has any effect on the story at all for continuity reasons. |
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@Kenzolo-folk I think u missed my reply 🤔🤔 or maybe ignoring me 🥲🥲🥲
| @TrickyHunter0506 I don’t see this reply ur talking about |
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Kenzolo-folk said:
@ktg
I’m not asking for an in-universe punishment. That’s the level of reading comprehension I’m constantly dealing with you people. I said indirect, internalized or direct consequence. I’m not saying the character should always be punished in the story every single time they do something bad🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️.I’m more like talkjng about it has any effect on the story at all for continuity reasons.
@ktg
I’m not asking for an in-universe punishment. That’s the level of reading comprehension I’m constantly dealing with you people. I said indirect, internalized or direct consequence. I’m not saying the character should always be punished in the story every single time they do something bad🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️.I’m more like talkjng about it has any effect on the story at all for continuity reasons.
But the thing is that indirect means anything. Rudy touched a kid as a kid so 10 years later he had ED. See? It's an indirect consequence like you wanted.
| @ktg Stellar!! That's good to know. Now we can both shut up. |
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I mean we could have avoided this stupid argument if you made a valid point, because MT is one of the shows that is easy to criticise.
| @ktg From my point of view you’ve made 0 valid points, that’s why this dumb argument was doomed from the start |
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Kenzolo-folk said:
@Lullabbyy
Im just interacting with a thread I made. You guys are the ones taking this seriously or making it seem like I am. I don’t even hate the series, you guys just make up shit to argue with the wall.
@Lullabbyy
Im just interacting with a thread I made. You guys are the ones taking this seriously or making it seem like I am. I don’t even hate the series, you guys just make up shit to argue with the wall.
Dude, the way you say things is so passive-aggressive. I don't even disagree with most of what you said, but the way you replied to everyone makes it seem that way. I apologized. if you don't like it, then it is what it is. You can't enjoy everything, maybe because you've seen so much other better show made it seem that way. most people nowadays barely scratch the surface and don't know other more hidden gems of shows or even slightly less popular anime other than what you call a mainstream anime.
| @Lullabbyy nah, after careful consideration this series is genuinely just dogshit. idk why i considered the opinions of people with little kids and moe all over their profile. thread was insightful tho |
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Kenzolo-folk said: @Lullabbyy nah, after careful consideration this series is genuinely just dogshit. idk why i considered the opinions of people with little kids and moe all over their profile. thread was insightful tho Are you seriously comparing 700 episodes + 12 films + multiple databooks of naruto and 1000+ episodes of one piece world building to 48 released episodes of reincarnation? I love Naruto. I’m currently on my another rewatch spree of it, yet Naruto’s world is not without flaws. I personally didn’t like one piece and am not going to torture myself for 1000 episodes, but nevertheless I don’t come out saying that everyone watching it is dumb or need to make me understand why they like it. If you don’t like the reincarnation, don’t see the appeal of the show, just drop it and don’t torture yourself. It’s a good show for reasons many people have stated already and it’s ok if you don’t feel the same. |
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Kenzolo-folk said:
@Lullabbyy
nah, after careful consideration this series is genuinely just dogshit. idk why i considered the opinions of people with little kids and moe all over their profile. thread was insightful tho
@Lullabbyy
nah, after careful consideration this series is genuinely just dogshit. idk why i considered the opinions of people with little kids and moe all over their profile. thread was insightful tho
Are you seriously comparing 700 episodes + 12 films + multiple databooks of naruto and 1000+ episodes of one piece world building to 48 released episodes of reincarnation?
I love Naruto. I’m currently on my another rewatch spree of it, yet Naruto’s world is not without flaws.
I personally didn’t like one piece and am not going to torture myself for 1000 episodes, but nevertheless I don’t come out saying that everyone watching it is dumb or need to make me understand why they like it.
If you don’t like the reincarnation, don’t see the appeal of the show, just drop it and don’t torture yourself. It’s a good show for reasons many people have stated already and it’s ok if you don’t feel the same.
| @c1K Where am i comparing these shows? Never said narutos world is flawless, but its certainly better and more imaginative than MH's bs. Unlike MH i was hooked by naruto and one pieces' world within one episode. Where did i say people that watch it are dumb? Whats with people just making up arguments/logic/statements I never said? Dont worry, i dropped it. this shit is torture. |
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Kenzolo-folk said: @SenshadouOtaku mushoku tensei is mainstream. and even tho the big three is super popular, naruto and one piece (one piece especially) is known for having really good worldbuilding, development, storylines blah blah etc.. that doesnt make it invalid for me to question why mushoku tensei imo doesnt stand out to me in this way. like all im asking is what im missing? Here. You are comparing without a doubt. Good that you dropped it. Drop this discussion as well, please |
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Kenzolo-folk said:
@SenshadouOtaku
mushoku tensei is mainstream. and even tho the big three is super popular, naruto and one piece (one piece especially) is known for having really good worldbuilding, development, storylines blah blah etc.. that doesnt make it invalid for me to question why mushoku tensei imo doesnt stand out to me in this way.
like all im asking is what im missing?
@SenshadouOtaku
mushoku tensei is mainstream. and even tho the big three is super popular, naruto and one piece (one piece especially) is known for having really good worldbuilding, development, storylines blah blah etc.. that doesnt make it invalid for me to question why mushoku tensei imo doesnt stand out to me in this way.
like all im asking is what im missing?
Here. You are comparing without a doubt.
Good that you dropped it. Drop this discussion as well, please
| @c1K Im not comparing it with mushoku tensei, im refuting that person when they said that I probably dont enjoy mushoku tensei because one piece and naruto are too mainstream. im making the point that even if its mainstream, it still has a lot of the things that mushoku tensei has/known for like worldbuilding etc. I wasnt saying which one is better, im just saying all of them have it. |
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Kenzolo-folk said: @c1K Im not comparing it with mushoku tensei, im refuting that person when they said that I probably dont enjoy mushoku tensei because one piece and naruto are too mainstream. im making the point that even if its mainstream, it still has a lot of the things that mushoku tensei has/known for like worldbuilding etc. I wasnt saying which one is better, im just saying all of them have it. Look, you have over 600 titles completed. Of course, they all have left some imprint on you. 2/3 of the big three definitely did. And as objective as you’d like to be, it’s clear that you are not. You’ve said yourself that world building of naruto and one piece got you hooked from the first(let’s say 20) episode, while MT didn’t. You are comparing after I brought it up, and you were comparing before I brought it up. Good luck to you. You are wasting your time, unless it’s an elaborate troll run from a 17yo. |
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Kenzolo-folk said:
@c1K
Im not comparing it with mushoku tensei, im refuting that person when they said that I probably dont enjoy mushoku tensei because one piece and naruto are too mainstream. im making the point that even if its mainstream, it still has a lot of the things that mushoku tensei has/known for like worldbuilding etc. I wasnt saying which one is better, im just saying all of them have it.
@c1K
Im not comparing it with mushoku tensei, im refuting that person when they said that I probably dont enjoy mushoku tensei because one piece and naruto are too mainstream. im making the point that even if its mainstream, it still has a lot of the things that mushoku tensei has/known for like worldbuilding etc. I wasnt saying which one is better, im just saying all of them have it.
Look, you have over 600 titles completed. Of course, they all have left some imprint on you. 2/3 of the big three definitely did. And as objective as you’d like to be, it’s clear that you are not. You’ve said yourself that world building of naruto and one piece got you hooked from the first(let’s say 20) episode, while MT didn’t. You are comparing after I brought it up, and you were comparing before I brought it up.
Good luck to you. You are wasting your time, unless it’s an elaborate troll run from a 17yo.
| @c1K "Lets say 20," "and you were comparing before I brought it up," "it's clear that you're not" Just because you say something like its fact doesn't mean it is. I don't know why you guys are so adament in putting words in my mouth, you're fighting with an imaginary version of myself at this point. I just proved to you that I wasn't comparing it before. And if i'm comparing it now, who cares? They're both longrunning fantasy series, they're allowed to be compared. Objectively, one piece and naruto has a more imaginative world than MH, thats just a fact, and people that deny it are just glazing at this point. Good luck to you, fuck off. |
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| It does sound like you're overly hating for the sake of it. You want to say the series is trash instead of not being for you to try and avoid the whole, "oh he doesn't understand anything, it must be too complex for you to comprehend" accusations. You say the controversial stuff doesn't bother you, but the last part of your edit says otherwise. You clearly still think people who enjoy the show must be some creepy pdf file. That alone tells me it's not worth explaining, just accept it's not for you, it's not that hard. |
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Kenzolo-folk said: i went back to watching mushoku tensei because I dropped it cuz the pedophilia stuff was creeping me out. i gave it another chance cuz i thought maybe I was being smooth brained for letting my personal biases cloud my judgement, and people kept saying that besides the weird stuff the story is actually a masterpiece. Where?? I'm at season 2 and this shit is still mid as fuck. I just want to know what amazing development, worldbuilding, storytelling genius is going on here? Most importantly season 1, it has an 8.37 on mal but this shit is still an average isekai (EDIT: i no longer think this) to me. also so i dont get banned for the 6th time lets try not to mention the pedo stuff im just talking about the story in general. (EDIT: we ended up talking about it) Before someone says "why do u care so much" "its just ur personal taste" im just saying im surprised cuz my taste is usually mainstream as fuck, like I usually enjoy stuff most people like. so i wanna know what aspect of this story is so appealing to people and why im missing it? EDIT: So yeah this series is genuinely just utter dogshit. All the characters have the depth and dimension of a cloud flattened by a hydraulic press, the designs are dumb and unimaginative, the magic system is boring and overused, the plotlines are generic and uninteresting, all the characters are unlikeable except for a select few but they have no depth or personality to them. all in all, surprise surprise this series is more than not just for me, its actual trash. I think people just like it because rudeus is relatable and use the weak worldbuilding to back it up. Not surprised all these MH fans have kids and ecchi littered all over their profile. Thanks to all the thoughtful responses tho I think you should read the light novel. If you still don't like it then it's okay just drop it. |
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