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KyleDB said: this series did so well not having SAO's plot convenience nonsense and this episode completely ruined that... For example how did M actually find Karen? also what difference does dying at LLEENN's hand make to Pito? surely its the same either way... I think it was the promise she made that if they faced off and LLENN won, they'd meet irl. I guess she's one of those people that holds promises above everything else and M wants to use it to their advantage? Idk, we'll prolly find out soon enough tho ig |
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| Pretty boring episode. Can't say I care for any of the add characters. |
| I knew she liked P-chan but not that much. Anyway, we FINALLY GOT TO THAT FREAKING SCENE In the beginning... I was starting to think we'd never actually see it. First half was just an introduction to the Amazon girls though, who I'm honestly not that interested in but whatever. Second half we get to see Karen being cautious of and taller than the real world M whose name is apparently Goushi. And we learned more about how crazy Pito is, wasn't sure how to take it initially but boy did they explain it well. |
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GoofballPath53 said: KyleDB said: this series did so well not having SAO's plot convenience nonsense and this episode completely ruined that... For example how did M actually find Karen? also what difference does dying at LLEENN's hand make to Pito? surely its the same either way... I think it was the promise she made that if they faced off and LLENN won, they'd meet irl. I guess she's one of those people that holds promises above everything else and M wants to use it to their advantage? Idk, we'll prolly find out soon enough tho ig In my opinion, I think Pito might be that idol girl they've mentioned a few times in the anime already, LLENN sent a letter to her with various details that would make it easy to connect the two together. Thats about the only way it would make sense at this point, and I doubt they would have mentioned the idol girl so many times if it didn't matter. And then of course Pito knows M and everything just falls into place. |
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| Predicting that Pito is the singer Karen likes in real life |
DuoraDoll said: GoofballPath53 said: I think it was the promise she made that if they faced off and LLENN won, they'd meet irl. I guess she's one of those people that holds promises above everything else and M wants to use it to their advantage? Idk, we'll prolly find out soon enough tho ig In my opinion, I think Pito might be that idol girl they've mentioned a few times in the anime already, LLENN sent a letter to her with various details that would make it easy to connect the two together. Thats about the only way it would make sense at this point, and I doubt they would have mentioned the idol girl so many times if it didn't matter. And then of course Pito knows M and everything just falls into place. Yea, thats what I'm thinking as well. It all just falls into when you consider everything. Too many coincidences involving Elsa and Pito for them not to be the same individual. Tbh, I'd be extremely surprised if she isn't. |
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| Definitely an interesting episode. P-chan returned and we finally meet the man behind M. He and Pito are looney. Can't wait to see what happens in the next episode! |
| This has turned into like..... possibly the most senseless plot i have ever come across.... its almost like its all a joke |
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| Actually a really good episode, I though the second arc was going to be squad jam 2 but with all four of them teaming up, not divided between two teams fighting to kill pitou. Actually a pretty good surprise and I’m looking forward to how this is going to go, should be good. |
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DuoraDoll said: I knew she liked P-chan but not that much. Well, she likes P-chan to the point P-chan got to talk to her in the final battle. Woodfall said: This has turned into like..... possibly the most senseless plot i have ever come across.... its almost like its all a joke You have Aho Girl in your anime list. And a whole lot of slice-of-life anime. I don't think senselessness will get in the way of your enjoyment. |
Daniel_Naumov said: By "little details" you mean... structural integrity of the narrative and adhering by common sense? It seems YOU are overreacting towards the proper behaviour of Karen. You're probably correct, mainly because of how common it is for girls in anime to overreact to every single thing that made this refreshing, but hey, thats just me. |
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| One of the better episodes. Really fun all around and yeah it's ridiculous but bitch are you expecting anything other then brainless action? It's SAO alright, this time with better characters. |
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| how's the alternative can be this good than the original. |
| M san is fkn hilarious! |
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| Pito badass lol.. |
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flannan said: You have Aho Girl in your anime list. And a whole lot of slice-of-life anime. I don't think senselessness will get in the way of your enjoyment. Since when do slice of life not make sense? Aho Girl was stupid af but thats what it was meant to be. This anime is like M just making a meme of Pito’s character at this point at least thats how it feels. Hes gotta be overexaggerating |
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| Pitou is Kanzaki Elsa It's too obvious |
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| I don't even know anymore. |
| Man, those two are just pure crazy lol. But I dig the plot, and it actually got me reinvested. I wonder if Karen is only going to go with a 2 person group again. She has to fight the high school girls plus whatever group Pito is forming with M. |
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Daniel_Naumov said: Well,l to know if he is or not you have to see more episodes of SAO alternative, and preferably without disrespecting it weekly. What are you even talking about “disrespecting it weekly” lol, Everything is up for criticism thats partly what a discussion is for. You dont have to kiss SAOs ass to like it. Im not one to find anything and everything wrong with it, you can find me defending it at points when ppl talk ab it being the worst anime ever, bc it obviously isnt and ppl are way too harsh on it. Ive never even heard someone use the word disrespect when it comes to any other anime besides SAO. Stop being babies and putting it on a pedestal Everything is open to criticism. |
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| The way they are leading this up, it seems like Pito is going to be Elsa Kanzaki the famous singer that Karen likes so much. I have had this feeling since Karen sent a letter to Elsa, but after the recap episode and this one I am pretty confident in it. It wouldn't make sense if she wasn't at this point they leave too many hints to Pito being Elsa. It's kind of crazy that she is obsessed with death though. I wonder what started that mindset because M said this was a mentality she had before the SAO incident. |
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Woodfall said: This has turned into like..... possibly the most senseless plot i have ever come across.... its almost like its all a joke Seriously, what's so particularly senseless in this sorry excuse for showing cute girls shooting each other plot? Or are you one of the people who failed to notice that big "foreshadowing" arrow pointing out that Pitohui is Kanzaki Elsa? |
Daniel_Naumov said: Criticism, my child. You said it yourself. Not disrespecting for the sake of own satisfaction or something. Cri-ti-cism. Provide it. Ok Jesus heres some, M was made out to be a cool, calm and collected dude then all of a sudden he just flipped the switch and turned into a psychopath because Pito says she will kill him if he doesn't win the SJ. Which was fine I guess besides the fact that it ruined his whole character that they built up for 2 out of the first 3 episodes if i remember correctly. And now pretty much exactly the same thing is happening except they would both die now. And what is the reason they gave? She is crazy because she could have participated in the SAO death game but missed out. Lucky? No, she wanted to participate in it. Who the hell would want to participate in it? Only a psychopath. Did she seem like a psychopath the whole time Llenn was talking to her in the first few episodes? Nope. So i guess lets throw her character out the window too and make them both crazy af. flannan said: Seriously, what's so particularly senseless in this sorry excuse for showing cute girls shooting each other plot? Or are you one of the people who failed to notice that big "foreshadowing" arrow pointing out that Pitohui is Kanzaki Elsa? As for what i find senseless about it, i really dont find Pito's character to be even possible or believable. It feels like M is just making up a whole bunch of random stuff about her. She is threatening to kill him or herself twice within however much time took place between the two SJ, and apparently she is serious enough for M to shit his pants about it. And according to him she has been this way since 4 years prior with that SAO stuff or maybe longer. If shes been doing this for 4 years, youd think hed accept the fact that shes just crazy and isnt really serious. If she was serious theyd be dead already. And if she has been looking so hard for a death game for 4 years, she would have found one long before now. Her character is a mess. Either that or M is just insane and making stuff up. And yes I already mentioned that she is probably the singer in a different discussion thread, that much is obvious. |
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| SJ2 = Second Squad Jam...NICE! this episode was a bit hilarious! Karen already met real life M which is Goushi and both him and Pitohui are totally weird strange and out of this world who is obsessed about the SAO incident! damn! Miyu is gonna be involved as well! Karen is damn rich kid! she has her own entertainment room with 75" probably OLED QUHD HDR TV and huge high quality Hi-Fi speakers as well! 5/5. |
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| Squad Jam 2 bout to be insane!!!!! |
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Daniel_Naumov said: Okay I heard you, and now I can undoubtedly say that you do not understand one basic aspekt of this series and one basic aspekt of reality: First of all, it is a universal trope in art that Virtual Reality is FAKE, as in people in it almost exclusively look way too different from what they are in reality. THE WHOLE POINT OF MMO AND THIS PARTICULAR SPIN OFF ITSELF. Clearly, detailed art is lost on you as of now. As you lack understanding of art, your complaint is void. Secondly, psychopaths... have you studied them, at least throughout the internet? Or do you think, as they are portrayed negatively, they run around naked and behave as if stung by a Trumpbug? To review Art in depth you have to understand it and have the aim of criticizing, not hating. Not saying you don't, but you clearly lack experience in fathoming art as a whole. Just Sayin'. Stop being condescending you are probably not as smart as you seem to think you are. I cant even follow what you are talking about in this part i quoted. You seem to have a lot in common with M. This has nothing to do with anything i said. You are pretty much saying “your criticism is invalid because you dont understand” which just sounds ignorant. There isnt much to understand when it comes to this show and its senseless characters. If you are calling this show, SAO Alternative, a detailed art im pretty sure im just wasting my time arguing with you. Just makes you sound like a fanboy. Theres a lot of anime i absolutely love (K-On, Yuru Yuri, Neptunia, just to name a few) and you wont catch me saying they are detailed arts. Some things are just meant for mindless enjoyment and this show seems to be one of those things at this point. Does that make it bad? No, but i stand by my criticism on the characters (particularly Pito). Also, wtf is a Trumpbug? |
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Woodfall said: Daniel_Naumov said: Criticism, my child. You said it yourself. Not disrespecting for the sake of own satisfaction or something. Cri-ti-cism. Provide it. Ok Jesus heres some, M was made out to be a cool, calm and collected dude then all of a sudden he just flipped the switch and turned into a psychopath because Pito says she will kill him if he doesn't win the SJ. Which was fine I guess besides the fact that it ruined his whole character that they built up for 2 out of the first 3 episodes if i remember correctly. And now pretty much exactly the same thing is happening except they would both die now. And what is the reason they gave? She is crazy because she could have participated in the SAO death game but missed out. Lucky? No, she wanted to participate in it. Who the hell would want to participate in it? Only a psychopath. Did she seem like a psychopath the whole time Llenn was talking to her in the first few episodes? Nope. So i guess lets throw her character out the window too and make them both crazy af. 1) I don't think the behavior described in the anime qualifies as "psychopath". Please check if you're using the right word. I think Pito is more of a "suicidal", but M's description of "obsessed with death" is probably the best way to describe Pito. 2) Psychopaths are realistic. There is quite a bunch of them around. They also make viable characters featured in many stories. Usually it's "high-functioning" psychopaths being main villains. Woodfall said: flannan said: Seriously, what's so particularly senseless in this sorry excuse for showing cute girls shooting each other plot? Or are you one of the people who failed to notice that big "foreshadowing" arrow pointing out that Pitohui is Kanzaki Elsa? As for what i find senseless about it, i really dont find Pito's character to be even possible or believable. It feels like M is just making up a whole bunch of random stuff about her. She is threatening to kill him or herself twice within however much time took place between the two SJ, and apparently she is serious enough for M to shit his pants about it. And according to him she has been this way since 4 years prior with that SAO stuff or maybe longer. If shes been doing this for 4 years, youd think hed accept the fact that shes just crazy and isnt really serious. If she was serious theyd be dead already. And if she has been looking so hard for a death game for 4 years, she would have found one long before now. Her character is a mess. Either that or M is just insane and making stuff up. And yes I already mentioned that she is probably the singer in a different discussion thread, that much is obvious. Well, if M had to pull Pito out of suicide attempts every time she got worse, he has enough reasons to believe she is serious. But personally I am under the impression that M is just that weak-willed and falls for Pito's random threats every time. |
Ajunky said: So Karen couldn't get out of M the means he used to find her... She should worry a bit more about herself and call the police, she got a crazy stalker who demands stuff from her while withholding important information. (Of course, just being stalked is enough reason to worry, but the rest makes thing even worse) ^ this If this were reality, I'd sure hope she'd do that ASAP and get these insane people the help they need... but, since its a show, she'll conveniently go along with this insane plot. I'm okay with this. But please people, if anyone said anything like this to you in real life, call the police! Also, yeah, I finished watching this and was like... "wait a second, did M never tell her how he found out who she was..?" Of course, we all know how he tracked her down anyway, but I wanted to hear M explain it (it would have 'outed' Pito, though, so I see why they conveniently left it out) |
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Pman1994 said: flannan said: 1) I don't think the behavior described in the anime qualifies as "psychopath". Please check if you're using the right word. I think Pito is more of a "suicidal", but M's description of "obsessed with death" is probably the best way to describe Pito. 2) Psychopaths are realistic. There is quite a bunch of them around. They also make viable characters featured in many stories. Usually it's "high-functioning" psychopaths being main villains. Well, if M had to pull Pito out of suicide attempts every time she got worse, he has enough reasons to believe she is serious. But personally I am under the impression that M is just that weak-willed and falls for Pito's random threats every time. Thats where this show repeats a lot of SAO's problems. we get all this info-dumping in a fucking hotel lobby from a character that you cant even trust due to the way he tracked karen down and how he constantly sounds like a lunitic. all we do is hear his second-hand account of the situation of pito but we never actually see pito talk or act like how he describes her. she just talks about enjoying the game overzealously like a person who only plays arma or something. they might as well reveal she is the singer at this point cause everyone knows already, plus it would give the main character more of a motivation to want to go along with this lunacy. If they had at the very least SHOWED us a flashback or moment in the real world about Pito and M, it would confirm that M isn't lying, actually knows her as a legitimate friend and not as a stalker/overly obsessed fan, and that pito actually is a suicidal/homicidal. Purposefully not confirming stuff is a legitimate storytelling technique. Especially when we're talking about a mystery (although SAO:GGO isn't one, unlike SAO). |
flannan said: Pman1994 said: Thats where this show repeats a lot of SAO's problems. we get all this info-dumping in a fucking hotel lobby from a character that you cant even trust due to the way he tracked karen down and how he constantly sounds like a lunitic. all we do is hear his second-hand account of the situation of pito but we never actually see pito talk or act like how he describes her. she just talks about enjoying the game overzealously like a person who only plays arma or something. they might as well reveal she is the singer at this point cause everyone knows already, plus it would give the main character more of a motivation to want to go along with this lunacy. If they had at the very least SHOWED us a flashback or moment in the real world about Pito and M, it would confirm that M isn't lying, actually knows her as a legitimate friend and not as a stalker/overly obsessed fan, and that pito actually is a suicidal/homicidal. Purposefully not confirming stuff is a legitimate storytelling technique. Especially when we're talking about a mystery (although SAO:GGO isn't one, unlike SAO). Pretty much agree with everything you are saying. Actually my favorite anime Higurashi purposefully doesnt confirm anything and it is great. I love a good mystery and thinking about things, especially when it feels like everything will wrap together. This anime doesnt give me that feel at all though. I have a strong feeling that this will be the only info dump we will be getting and they are just going to give us cute girls shooting each other now. So I have to stand by what i said: this plot is a mess right now. Everything Pman posted is the same thing i am having an issue with, along with everything i said about Pito in my other post. And if this is going where I think it is (just a bunch of cute girls and shooting) and the only big reveal they have is that Pito is the singer, then it seems they are all out of cards. I guess it isnt totally fair to judge it yet but it just seems to be a total mess with unreliable, unbelievable, and inconsistent characters. But I guess we will have to see where it goes!!! Hope to see you in later discussions. |
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| Crazy stalker. My first inclination would be to call the police. Pito is a confirmed nutcase. I love how Karen is the first anime character in history to acknowledge the 'wall slam' trope. |
Daniel_Naumov said: Woodfall said: Pretty much agree with everything you are saying. Actually my favorite anime Higurashi purposefully doesnt confirm anything and it is great. I love a good mystery and thinking about things, especially when it feels like everything will wrap together. This anime doesnt give me that feel at all though. I have a strong feeling that this will be the only info dump we will be getting and they are just going to give us cute girls shooting each other now. So I have to stand by what i said: this plot is a mess right now. Everything Pman posted is the same thing i am having an issue with, along with everything i said about Pito in my other post. And if this is going where I think it is (just a bunch of cute girls and shooting) and the only big reveal they have is that Pito is the singer, then it seems they are all out of cards. I guess it isnt totally fair to judge it yet but it just seems to be a total mess with unreliable, unbelievable, and inconsistent characters. But I guess we will have to see where it goes!!! Hope to see you in later discussions. Good thing some self-reflection brought a fraction of humility and actual understanding there. Hopefully, it won't take two pages of discussion the next time. Probably because they had a proper discussion instead of just trying to provoke and troll like a condescending prick. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
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| This show is such fun, this episode was straight up hilarious xD |
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rimk55 said: Did we just seriously waited so long for such a stupid / boring episode ??? Has GGO become a comedy anime or what ? I'm seriously disapointed. Overall note switched from 7/10 to 5/10.. Fr though. Its so hard to take anything M says seriously |
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| I know Pito will probably be revealed to be the idol that Karen likes, but I'm really hoping that doesn't happen. |
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