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OneNaughtyBear said:  I can’t be the only one who thought this scene was the Frieza betrayal theories coming true I think it was drawn in a way to make everyone think Freeza shot him in the back lol. Had me fooled too. |
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JDS_Mirai said: OneNaughtyBear said: I can’t be the only one who thought this scene was the Frieza betrayal theories coming true I think it was drawn in a way to make everyone think Freeza shot him in the back lol. Had me fooled too. but the dark energy that flows around after looks like god of destruction energy |
| This episode was insane! Hands down the best-looking episode in Dragon Ball history! Naoki Tate, Naotoshi Shida, Futoshi Higashide, Shuuichiro Manabe and every other amazing animator brought their best work ever to this episode! |
Katsuo_Mar 18, 2018 7:34 AM
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| Goku wasted a lot of stamina before he mastered the ultra instinct, I believe Goku would win in a rematch. |
| Congrats DBS you are now officially worse than Dragon Ball Evolution. |
| Surprised to see 17 still alive. Loved the MUI Goku vs Jiren. |
Aoiyasha said: I don't know what the heck you're trying to point out when you take that stand. Gokou uses the Spirit Bomb(Genki Dama) he literally calls out to his friends for support and uses their power to defeat an opponent so he isn't exactly about doing it for just himself. If you think it's all about Gokou striving to get stronger then why would he fuse with Vegita then? Gokou has his motivations but he isn't a complete fool to not rely or defend his friends.While the animation and music was good, this "Nakama" power shit feels fake. That's not Goku. When he said "this is OUR power" I felt sick. What made Goku different from other typical shounen MCs is that while he cares for his friends and family, he is pretty selfish and wants to be the strongest just because he wants to be. Not to protect his nakama and all the other typical stuff shounen MCs spew. For me, this isn't the Goku that Akira wrote and envisioned. I think the writers messed up Goku's character. Am I the only one that feels this way? |
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| I loved the last few minutes more than the fight. |
| Whenever Shida animates, its always good. I wonder how they're going to end the ToP. |
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Raichi_ said: SteelingMax said: Even though Naotoshi Shida is a fucking great animator and he does very detailed art on pretty well animated cuts, he sometimes makes his animation to look too fast, half of the time i don't even know what's happening, Naoki Tate for me, is the star of this episode, his impact shots are always awesome, this is his best work on Super, number#2 would be the Goku/#17 fight then #3 would be Gohan and Piccolo's fight against the U6 Namekians(plus the Gohan vs the mirage guy). This episode is a 3/5 PS: I hate the plasma aura from the God level characters, it makes great looking animation look ugly and hides a lot of detail. -------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ Edit 1: Oops, forgot Tate's work on episode 110, the first person to do UI Goku, and his animation for the form is being basically copied by the other animators. Edit 2: I take that back, i watched the Naotoshi Shida cuts from this episode again, but now at .25 speed, yeah, he is amazing, i hadn't even noticed how Goku uses ki balls to evade from Jiren's beams and also to propel him up while dodging(because they can't fly), Shida is the MVP of this episode, sorry Tate. Where do you find such detailed information about who animated which parts of the episode? I don't, i go by the art and animation style, in this episode it's really easy to spot Naoki Tate and Naotoshi Shida because they have very distinct styles, in both art and animation, some of the other guys i could spot on this episode were Futoshi Hagashide, Shuuichiro Manabe and Tu Yong-ce, but it's really hard sometimes because they were heavily corrected by Yamamuro in the Goku shots and it's also a bit harder to know who's animating based only on Jiren. on youtube, there is a guy who does breakdowns of Dragon Ball Super's episode animation, AnimeAjay, it's easy to find, he's really good. |
SteelingMaxMar 18, 2018 3:50 PM
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SteelingMax said: Raichi_ said: Where do you find such detailed information about who animated which parts of the episode? I don't, i go by the art and animation style, in this episode it's really easy to spot Naoki Tate and Naotoshi Shida because they have very distinct styles, in both art and animation, some of the other guys i could spot on this episode were Futoshi Hagashide, Shuuichiro Manabe and Tu Yong-ce, but it's really hard sometimes because they were heavily corrected by Yamamuro in the Goku shots and it's also a bit harder to know who's animating based onlt on Jiren. on youtube, there is a guy who does breakdowns of Dragon Ball Super's episode animation, AnimeAjay, it's easy to find. yep its easy to recognize Naoki Tate and Naotoshi Shida Tate animated the first battle scene while Shida animated the last battle scene in this episode i also follow the sakuga breakdowns of AnimeAjay on youtube |
Aradhya_Trivedi said: Me too, why continue something you find disappointing or awful? Would you continue going to the same restaurant when you know the food is bad and the service is awful? Those who say "yes" to this are people who have nothing better to do and spead negativity while enjoying the attention. A hipster troll.ShiroiRyu said: After 130 episodes, some continu to complain. Damn masochist, they love that ! Haha my thoughts exactly |
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| Discrimination! Why didn't zeno gave a penalty to Jiren when he attacked the stage?! That's favoritism! |
| This episode had too much testosterone bruh, I'm not man enough for it. If the series and the movies can continue to give us this kind of quality when it comes to the fights, DB is gonna be a good place for a long time to come. |
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SteelingMax said: Raichi_ said: Where do you find such detailed information about who animated which parts of the episode? I don't, i go by the art and animation style, in this episode it's really easy to spot Naoki Tate and Naotoshi Shida because they have very distinct styles, in both art and animation, some of the other guys i could spot on this episode were Futoshi Hagashide, Shuuichiro Manabe and Tu Yong-ce, but it's really hard sometimes because they were heavily corrected by Yamamuro in the Goku shots and it's also a bit harder to know who's animating based onlt on Jiren. on youtube, there is a guy who does breakdowns of Dragon Ball Super's episode animation, AnimeAjay, it's easy to find. I don’t think Yamamuro was in this episode. He wasn’t credited either. |
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| The return of Freezer was predictable but the return of C17 totally surprised me (as for a lot of people). I wonder how's that is going to end this tournament for the ultimate episode. |
Katsuo_ said: SteelingMax said: I don't, i go by the art and animation style, in this episode it's really easy to spot Naoki Tate and Naotoshi Shida because they have very distinct styles, in both art and animation, some of the other guys i could spot on this episode were Futoshi Higashide, Shuuichiro Manabe and Tu Yong-ce, but it's really hard sometimes because they were heavily corrected by Yamamuro in the Goku shots and it's also a bit harder to know who's animating based onlt on Jiren. on youtube, there is a guy who does breakdowns of Dragon Ball Super's episode animation, AnimeAjay, it's easy to find. I don’t think Yamamuro was in this episode. He wasn’t credited either. He wasn't credited as an animator but he is the series animation supervisor and he's credited on every episode, he just has some corrections on the episode, a few of them are from bank animation though, i think he corrected some shots from Atsushi Nikaido and Kenji Miuma, but he mainly corrects the face of Goku on close-ups. https://hypb.imgix.net/image/2018/03/goku-jiren-dragon-ball-super-spoiler-00.jpg?fit=max&q=90&w=500&h=333&auto=compress%2Cformat He'll be supervising the next episode, let's see if he'll let Yuya Takahashi do his thing or not, i'd say yes based on the preview. |
SteelingMaxMar 18, 2018 7:53 PM
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| WHy do they keep 17 alive? :(((( Wait... so 17 shouldn't be particpant, because high priest infrom that he self-destruct, so Zeno should use his godpad to click on his portrait right? His "sacrifice" was pointless in the end. |
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| That last fight scene with angry goku, Naotoshi Shida is a god |
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| Jiren went beast mode this episode 0.o Even tried to kill the spectators. He sure has some big ass balls lol Looking forward to next episode. |
| Damn this episode was just overwhelming. The fight between Goku and Jiren got on an level I had never thought I would ever see in Dragonball. So Jiren got stronger because Goku forced him into an corner and he got reminded why he can't lose this fight. I mean both of them are monster at this point. Their power is beyond the normal fighters you saw in this tourney. I liked that you could see Jiren isn't invincible. Even he was out of breath and couldn't understand how Goku has so much power left and survived his attacks. This maked him at least for me much more likeable as a character as this emotionless guy who's oneshotting everyone. At that point were Goku was about to beat Jiren I had a feeling something would happen. Goku reached his limit for Ultra Instinct and it looked painful when these violet lightnings were hurting him. I had to grin when I saw Goku getting shot by a laserbeam and when I saw Freezer I had a big grin in my face. However what I and certainly most people here didn't expect was to see 17 again. I was 100% sure he sacrificed himself to rescue Goku and Vegeta. And now it's Freezer and 17 vs Jiren? That will be interesting. Can't believe that this will be the last episode fore Super :( |
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| The animation quality was that of a movie... holy shit I jizzed so hard, Shida my man with that long ass amazing cut delivered, thank you so much you beautiful amazing human being! and Higashide with those slick as flip dodges, Nikaido's back flip dodges and amazing background followed by an amazing huge leap flip, Tu Yong Ce's DBZ like fast combo fight.... I can die a happy man now. The amount of love put into this ep was crazy, it was literally full of amazing cut scenes! This was the best animated episode DBS has ever did, I never imagined this series giving us this much. NEP Yuya Takahashi for the final run of DBS TV series... the hype is killing me. |
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SteelingMax said: He wasn't credited as an animator but he is the series animation supervisor and he's credited on every episode, he just has some corrections on the episode, a few of them are from bank animation though, i think he corrected some shots from Atsushi Nikaido and Kenji Miuma, but he mainly corrects the face of Goku on close-ups. https://hypb.imgix.net/image/2018/03/goku-jiren-dragon-ball-super-spoiler-00.jpg?fit=max&q=90&w=500&h=333&auto=compress%2Cformat He'll be supervising the next episode, let's see if he'll let Yuya Takahashi do his thing or not, i'd say yes based on the preview. Based on the preview for the next episode, he did correct Yuya Takahashi a little bit, it’s a shame. |
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-Stray said: The animation quality was that of a movie... holy shit I jizzed so hard, Shida my man with that long ass amazing cut delivered, thank you so much you beautiful amazing human being! and Higashide with those slick as flip dodges, Nikaido's back flip dodges and amazing background followed by an amazing huge leap flip, Tu Yong Ce's DBZ like fast combo fight.... I can die a happy man now. The amount of love put into this ep was crazy, it was literally full of amazing cut scenes! This was the best animated episode DBS has ever did, I never imagined this series giving us this much. NEP Yuya Takahashi for the final run of DBS TV series... the hype is killing me. This was the best animated Dragon Ball episode ever. |
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| "How is 17 alive" I don't know? How is Vegeta alive? Didnt he self destruct too? If the ToP has shown us anything, its show how powerful 17 has become. He held back a blast from Jiren, for a little while, for gods sake. Id even put him above Frieza. Fight me. "that 17 "self destruction" was pointless if he just survived" By that logic, so was Majin Vegeta's. All he achieved was killing himself and not hurting Buu. He then got revived later by the dragon balls. Sacrifice in Dragon Ball isn't about impact anyway because we have the dragon balls, its mostly about character development. "The Grand Priest said he was dead" No, the grand priest said he "assumed" 17 self destructed. He said the same thing right before Goku got UI. "Power of friendship" its always been prevalent in DBZ. How did Goku go Super Saiyan? Krillin, his best friend died. How did Goku defeat Buu? A spirit bomb, made literally out of the power of friendship. "Goku is out of character" No, no he is not. He even states, he is "not a hero of justice". Some of you may bring up that, "Hope of the universe" speech from DBZ to counter this, but thats a english dub only speech, which strays from Goku's character. He likes to fight strong guys and if they hurt his friends, then he fights for revenge. Watch literally anything from original Japanese DBZ, Kai or read the manga for proof. |
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Kesenaii said: How did Goku defeat Buu? A spirit bomb, made literally out of the power of friendship. That's not power of friendship, Goku doesn't generate all that energy because he has, remembers and/or fights for his friends, he is technically only gathering into a single giant energy ball a fraction of inner energy of living beings that are willing to share it, so it's not a random, out-of-nowhere and unjustified power-up caused by the fact of remembering friends. |
RandomCritic said: Discrimination! Why didn't zeno gave a penalty to Jiren when he attacked the stage?! That's favoritism! Obviously Zeno will not disqualify Jiren, just because they want to watch the fight, lol. They don't care that much about the rules |
| In order to beat Jiren, I think Goku needs to get hit by the arrow. To unlock his stand power, then he'll be gud. |
PBnJamzMar 19, 2018 12:23 PM
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| Drop mic moment... "The Greatest Showdown of all Time! The Ultimate Survival Battle!!" I agree wholeheartedly, enough said. |
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Kesenaii said: Vegeta didn't self-destruct...why do people think because he died using the move that it's some sort of SD? It just releasing all your built up energy at once and whether or not you can survive it. Vegeta was beat up close to death during the Buu arc before he used that, that's why he died. Piccolo literally stated that Vegeta didn't die because he was stronger. 17 straight up blew himself up and both the Grand Priest and Zeno marked him off on the pad. Making excuses for his survival because you compared it to Vegeta is poor to say the least."How is 17 alive" I don't know? How is Vegeta alive? Didnt he self destruct too? If the ToP has shown us anything, its show how powerful 17 has become. He held back a blast from Jiren, for a little while, for gods sake. Id even put him above Frieza. Fight me. Kesenaii said: Well Vegeta's sacrifice was pointless. All it did was prolong the inevitable but 17's attack literally kept universe 7 in the tournament and you can't tell me that Frieza would be enough to solo Jiren. All your reasoning were just piss poor attempts to cover up BS."that 17 "self destruction" was pointless if he just survived" By that logic, so was Majin Vegeta's. All he achieved was killing himself and not hurting Buu. He then got revived later by the dragon balls. Sacrifice in Dragon Ball isn't about impact anyway because we have the dragon balls, its mostly about character development. Kesenaii said: Did you even watch DB? Calling the Spirit Bomb "the power of friendship" LMAO"Power of friendship" its always been prevalent in DBZ. How did Goku go Super Saiyan? Krillin, his best friend died. How did Goku defeat Buu? A spirit bomb, made literally out of the power of friendship. |
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Glenfinnan said: Kesenaii said: How did Goku defeat Buu? A spirit bomb, made literally out of the power of friendship. That's not power of friendship, Goku doesn't generate all that energy because he has, remembers and/or fights for his friends, he is technically only gathering into a single giant energy ball a fraction of inner energy of living beings that are willing to share it, so it's not a random, out-of-nowhere and unjustified power-up caused by the fact of remembering friends. About the friendship thing, I didn't really see it as a power up. He was never weaker than Jiren, he just got knocked down and got back up as he always does and continued the fight. Pretty sure it was only harped on so much because of the way Jiren fights, being totally alone and substituting power for actual meaning in his life was not going to last as long as an equally powerful person who has something to fight for. I know they said "his speed increased even more" but even so, it's more likely just Goku's tenacious nature than a friendship buff. And when Jiren lost it and attacked the spectators, Goku got insanely pissed off and completely overwhelmed him, which isn't anything new in Dragon Ball. |
EternalSerenityMar 19, 2018 2:15 PM
| god dammit that asspull is just so bad ok they're alive fine fuck it |
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| I think that was the best animated dragonball fight in super ever.could have came a lot sooner though. Surpasses a lot of fights in dbz too which is why I was looking for since the start of super 17 should have just stayed dead though.his Sacrifice is now meaningless. |
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| it's kinda funny that to watch the best animated fight in the entire franchise u need to stomach the ridiculous nakama writing |
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But I was only referring to the spirit bomb ("Genkidama" in non-English world) technique, which is an energy gathering and not an energy generation, not to SSY transformations, which by the way are also not unjustified power-ups that come out-of-nowhere after remembering friends or families, because those represent just liberations of previously existing hidden powers that get unleashed after the saiyan suffers an intense anger burst, just as it happened in both SSY and SSY2. The power is only unlocked, it's not like it was randomly generated after that. |
| Aargh. This battle is dragging on for too long already. It's become annoying now. This arc itself was too long. Watching the same thing week after week is getting on my nerves. And then we'd probably have a half-baked, rushed ending.. Even though I can't call this ep bad, I can't call it very good either. Hope the manga will be better. Thank goodness #17 is ok, but this also feels cheap and ruins ep 127.. |
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