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JDiraz said: Chiaki lives another day ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ To all those disappointed with the brainwashing... What did you expect? This is the only reasonable way to make the hope of 77th class turn that way. They are completely mad, wrecking havoc all over the world as spawns of satan. Ryota is the one experiencing true despair with no brainwashing involved, and he isn't mass murdering anyone. Plus, this way it removes all the guilt from the actions of the 77th class as ultimate despairs. ^This. I won't lie, it'd be extremely interesting to see the Big Bad slowly corrupt everyone via manipulation. But brainwashing actually makes more sense in context on multiple fronts. Heck, some of the characters here could not even be corrupted to such a degree in a normal way because they are way too strong-willed. Although I'm not sure if I'm happy that Chiaki is still alive. Watching Chisa's torture was horrifying, I'm not sure if I'd be able to stand watching Chiaki's as well (even if she doesn't fall, the process would be painful). On other hand, if she does fall to Despair, it would be pleasing to see Hajime return the favor by saving her as well at the end of Mirai-hen. Seriously, I don't know what to wish for anymore TAT |
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BumperBo said: The Ultimate Despair using the incredible analysis, creativity, cunning, and depravity that she's known for to knock even the most hopeful people down. The same way she (almost) did in the game. If not for Hajime overcoming it all, that would have been a whole new descent for them. http://image.prntscr.com/image/6c6287f0a1d349dea23a458be0a9a850.png http://image.prntscr.com/image/54621e81617d49c4ac462ee06e700cc4.png http://image.prntscr.com/image/5baef7bf14f5462daa47c302f0189b62.png Everyone has a breaking point. And I felt like it was promised that we'd get to see it. Fair enough. I still believe it would be a bit too much, breaking them is one thing but turning them into such psycho satanic terrorists... Well this is Danganronpa after all, nothing is too much. Junko could pull it off. |
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| Chiaki survived another week! But the ending has me terrified. It was cool seeing the ultimate imposters real appearance. Felt really bad for Chisa in this episode.  |
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| not like this!..so it really be brainwashing huh? only pro i can think of is well at least we know they weren't truly evil,can't say i didn't want a little bit more chisa...has fallen in the worst way i'm still seriously confused about her appearance in the first episode |
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I'm gonna have some hope and not assume that what is written in the transcript can be interpreted by the word...Like, maybe the despairs didn't imediatelly stayed by her side after becoming despair (except Mikan) and she to had go after them and make them her slaves...Or when monokuma said "one by one" he literally meant minute after minute, since I guess only one person can watch the video at a time, so he meant they got brainwashed one by one...Either way, the "That idea had been slammed right into their minds"part just gains more power here...The despair being slammed into their mind do make it seem like their minds were forced to despair or something, you know, like brainwashing... Just think about this...The transcript says that they all become slaves of Junko, but why would any of the brainwashed people instantly become slaves of Junko (Except Mikan and her tragic problems)? Just because she is a embodiment of despair? I hope that's not it... |
HyperLSep 8, 2016 6:46 PM
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JDiraz said: BumperBo said: The Ultimate Despair using the incredible analysis, creativity, cunning, and depravity that she's known for to knock even the most hopeful people down. The same way she (almost) did in the game. If not for Hajime overcoming it all, that would have been a whole new descent for them. http://image.prntscr.com/image/6c6287f0a1d349dea23a458be0a9a850.png http://image.prntscr.com/image/54621e81617d49c4ac462ee06e700cc4.png http://image.prntscr.com/image/5baef7bf14f5462daa47c302f0189b62.png Everyone has a breaking point. And I felt like it was promised that we'd get to see it. Fair enough. I still believe it would be a bit too much, breaking them is one thing but turning them into such psycho satanic terrorists... Well this is Danganronpa after all, nothing is too much. Junko could pull it off. Thats why I like the brainwashing plot. I think people are just hating on it because they feel its cheap, but I don't have that feeling at all (were all of you complaining that 'amnesia' from DR1 was too simple?). It would feel much more strange if the reason was Junko is just so charismatic that she can make people kill themselves... |
KetuekigamiSep 8, 2016 6:35 PM
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TheLittleRedHero said: Exactly, the process is what makes it good. Are "amnesia" plots too simple and overused? Sure, but DR1 didn't make it feel that way at all. I think to many people are looking at the fact that its brainwashing and ignoring everything else.Ketuekigami said: Thats why I like the brainwashing plot. I think people are just hating on it because they feel its cheap, but I don't have that feeling at all. It would feel much more strange if the reason was Junko is just so charismatic that she can make people kill themselves... I feel more like the way it was done was pretty nice. I mean uniting her despair with using a talent of another ultimate is pretty interesting. Not only does it cause major despair towards anyone that watches the video, but for me it also causes despair towards Ryota, since he didn't wanted to use his talent for the sake of despair. You can get what I mean of course, maybe. |
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| Chisa is the mastermind confirmed. |
| This episode has me so conflicted. Is Mikan still despaired? She didn't look like it until the end. Is Chisa a despair? She didn't seem much like it after. Is Chiaki gonna die? It seems like it, but wtf is gonna happen tho? Is Chisa the Mastermind/Traitor in Future Arc? Theories are being thrown and debunked, idk what is what anymore. Is Ryota not the Mastermind? Obviously can't be the killer, but now he seems to have survived the Despairing..... right? And we don't even know about the tie-ins to the other works. How does Nagito forget Izuru for DR2? How did Chiaki know Matsuda, Chihiro, and/or Miaya to be turned into an AI? How is all of this still taking place before DR0? I'm so confffuuuuuuuusssseeeeddddd!!!!!!! |
All hail the Almighty Funyarinpa!... Wait, what do you mean you don't know what it is?! How DARE you! SAY you're sorry!!! APOLOGIZE TO THE FUNYARINPA! ______________________________________________________________________________________ |
| That weird smile... Something huge is coming up, brace yourselves |
| Technically, they haven't been brainwashed yet, we are discussing all that under an assumption. Maybe Junko does have something special planned for them, who knows. BTW, Mitarai is free of all suspicion for mirai-hen now. I would really like to know how he got his confidence back and even joined Future Foundation. I get the feeling he admires Naegi and was inspired by him. |
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| It would be hilarious if the culprits in future arc were Chiaki (Ultimate Despair) and Chisa (Ultimate Despair). The one to save them would have to be Hinata. It would be a nice twist since Chiaki in the new world program saved Hinata from his fate and Hinata (Ultimate Hope) would save Chiaki from despair in return in future arc. What a romance! XD |
DarkShardsSep 8, 2016 7:23 PM
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Fragilespin3 said: Lord_Thantus said: This episode has me so conflicted. Is Mikan still despaired? She didn't look like it until the end. Is Chisa a despair? She didn't seem much like it after. Is Chiaki gonna die? It seems like it, but wtf is gonna happen tho? Is Chisa the Mastermind/Traitor in Future Arc? Theories are being thrown and debunked, idk what is what anymore. Is Ryota not the Mastermind? Obviously can't be the killer, but now he seems to have survived the Despairing..... right? And we don't even know about the tie-ins to the other works. How does Nagito forget Izuru for DR2? How did Chiaki know Matsuda, Chihiro, and/or Miaya to be turned into an AI? How is all of this still taking place before DR0? I'm so confffuuuuuuuusssseeeeddddd!!!!!!! @Lord_Thantus have you played the games? No, but I saw a Let's Play of all 3 games and read Danganronpa/Zero. There's a handful of inconsistencies between them and these anime, and I was hoping that this episode would start addressing them, but now it's heading deep into the finale of the series.... |
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| .... I'm scarred. |
| "My name is John Locke, and I'm responsible for the well being of this Island" |
| I really pity Ryota. Hang in there. I really want to see Ryota and Makoto will do a tag team to spread hope in Future arc. kawaii-despair said: That was painful. Literally. First Nanami gives yet another cringe-worthy speech that doesn't suit her at all. I'm also starting to think of this way. Yehart said: This episode just pisses me off for some odd reason. I genuinely cannot explain why I feel so fucking angry right now. Also - fuck Mukuro. She was the best girl of Danganronpa 1 but this episode made me despise her guts. Fuck sake. She's a despair. What would you expect? |
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| omfg chisa falling into despair. Student suicide omg The end of hope is near |
She also said that Izuru killed the entire council (and we know that it wasn't true since DR0,that was released before DR2) and that the DR1 cast would die if they go outside. Junko is a liar, You shouldn't never take serious what she says. |
| Oh gosh, the gore in this episode was off the charts. I was wincing and and looking away when the teacher was literally sawing off his neck in front of people. I also couldn't stand watching Chisa's lobotomy at Mukuro's hands. I'm ok with blood, but this episode was a bit much for me. I'm happy those scenes only lasted a minute or so. Well, I totally called it since last week. I had a feeling that Chisa was going to be brainwashed by Junko and Mukuro. The fact that they showed Munakata slipping away from her in her head as well as showing that she stopped struggling after the lobotomy makes it clear to me that she was brainwashed into despair. I think that she's working together with Mitarai in the Future Arc to bring some serious despair. Tengan probably told Munakata that she was an Ultimate Despair and he refused to believe that, thus making sure Chisa's body was completely "dead" by thrusting his sword into her corpse. I don't want to go into too much detail, but I think it's confirmed at this point that she's in despair. Mikan pulled a fast one on Chiaki and threw her down into a secret compartment area?? I honestly thought Mikan was going to throw Chiaki down the stairs and just kill her. We know that Chiaki is already dead by the second game, so it's just a matter of time before they show her death during this anime. Chisa is probably going to bring her to the brainwashing room next episode. My guess is that brainwashing won't work on Chiaki and someone is going to kill her because of that (maybe Izuru?) I guess the next episode is when the 77th class is going to fall into despair. They're most likely going to get locked in the room by Mukuro and Mikan. I can totally see Mikan leading them right to their doom. I'm sad that I won't get to see much of their normal personalities anymore after this. Also, on another note, it was really cool to see the Imposter's "real" face. Maybe they will confirm their gender in the next episode?? Like before they fall into despair. The Imposter is actually becoming one of my faves this season. Anyways, looking forward to next week's despair. I just hope there's less gore next time. |
| chisa's smile at the end... it's suspicious as fuck. i'm getting more suspicious of her now as mastermind in future arc and less suspicious of mitarai. it was awesome that we saw the impostor's real face for the first time. |
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| I think Yukizome has fall into despair but from what happen in Future Arc, she manage to recover later? Tsumiki is obviously already despair. Junko just show how good of a villain she is. Any idea how much time has pass since Nanami pass out? I'm guessing at this point, all her other classmates has become despair? |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Gilgamesh said: I don't see how anyone can pass off this brainwashing subplot as reasonable. Is it a more logically acceptable explanation? Certainly but that isn't what the fans were promised in SDR2, Junko was supposed to break down the hopes of the 77th class and then converted them to despair as the master manipulator she was portrayed to be. This isn't to say the brainwashing must be skipped completely but the problem is the writers have left EVERYTHING to it while the Remnants no longer hold any responsibility or agency over their crimes which cheapens the weight of the survivors' decisions made at the end of SDR2. Despair is supposed to be an all-encompassing disease that anyone can contract and makes them willfully seek pleasure in their own destruction as well as others. Now take a look at the reserve course student Junko used as an example for Chisa in this episode; did that guy look like he willingly committed suicide and reveled in it? Not even close, his will was completely suppressed by generic reprogramming, there's no psychological effect here and its just plain boring. Comments like "there's no opening for Junko to turn these hopeful and strong guys to despair" is exactly the problem, because of this series, Despair as a concept has been cheapened. Nobody complained or thought otherwise that Junko could do this before DR3 because it already happened. Now? Because the writers had to shove in content worth 11 episodes, they've pretty much decided to redesign the subplot from scratch to cater to the events in the future arc as well. Viewers were led to believe Junko manipulated the Ultimate Despairs by attacking them personally in succession using her intellect and charisma, DR3 failed to deliver. End of story. It would have been better off if the 77th class descent was left entirely ambiguous. People like to find the good points in all the errors and stupid stuff. They too are brainwashed by Junko's greatness. This show is a lying mess,they should've kept the concept of a game so it can go deeper on each character. |
Gilgamesh said: I don't see how anyone can pass off this brainwashing subplot as reasonable. Is it a more logically acceptable explanation? Certainly but that isn't what the fans were promised in SDR2, Junko was supposed to break down the hopes of the 77th class and then converted them to despair as the master manipulator she was portrayed to be. This isn't to say the brainwashing must be skipped completely but the problem is the writers have left EVERYTHING to it while the Remnants no longer hold any responsibility or agency over their crimes which cheapens the weight of the survivors' decisions made at the end of SDR2. Despair is supposed to be an all-encompassing disease that anyone can contract and makes them willfully seek pleasure in their own destruction as well as others. Now take a look at the reserve course student Junko used as an example for Chisa in this episode; did that guy look like he willingly committed suicide and reveled in it? Not even close, his will was completely suppressed by generic reprogramming, there's no psychological effect here and its just plain boring. Comments like "there's no opening for Junko to turn these hopeful and strong guys to despair" is exactly the problem, because of this series, Despair as a concept has been cheapened. Nobody complained or thought otherwise that Junko could do this before DR3 because it already happened. Now? Because the writers had to shove in content worth 11 episodes, they've pretty much decided to redesign the subplot from scratch to cater to the events in the future arc as well. Viewers were led to believe Junko manipulated the Ultimate Despairs by attacking them personally in succession using her intellect and charisma, DR3 failed to deliver. End of story. It would have been better off if the 77th class descent was left entirely ambiguous. I second this, because they decided to cram this into a 11 episode series, rather than 24. It feels like a cheap way out to conveniently just "brainwash" class 77B, rather than taking advantage of their past weaknesses to break them. Some may argue that characters like Nidai or Gundham are too strong-willed to break, but everyone (asides from Ibuki maybe? [clash with musical tastes and vision with 'friends'?]) had something that led them to being who they are as mentioned in their FTE. Despair arc has been slowly disappointing me more and more compared to Future arc, as there's quite a few inconsistencies with the game, and playing off the members of 77B like mindless drones who don't questions anything. Izuru on the other hand has done nothing since appearing. Hinata had more purpose than him, and all he did was play games with Nanami and gave us more of a connection with Natsumi (Twilight Syndrome). Now, all we get is "How dull, boring, who are you?". It doesn't seem to really make a difference whether he's there or not. I was not feeling the cheesy speech by Chiaki to go and save Chisa either... Are there like no authority figures or anything in this world? Chisa should've at least called Juzo for reinforcement considering she knows he's at the school, even if she wasn't aware that Munakata had returned. Chiaki and friends go off by themselves hoping to do what? Only a handful of them can fight, and Peko got taken down no problem, what were the rest hoping to accomplish? Juzo was watching Junko from afar, but decides to take on Junko, himself, rather than call for reinforcements, or even speak to the hire ups. Munakata suspects Junko, but says nothing to Jin, went eventually led to him locking all of class 78 in the school together... And Chiaki just blindly following Chisa at the end without questioning what happened to Junko & Mukuro, simply just because Izuru/Hinata supposibly let her go? All this episode just reconfirmed for me is that AI Chiaki >>>> Chiaki and that Class 77B are just mindless drones that don't question anything here. /rant & rambling from anger :D |
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| I feel like this is going to head into Chiaki is the mastermind behind Mirai-hen, seems like the biggest Mindf*** that could come from this point forward. I don't think it will of course, there is just that feeling in my gut that this is the case. |
 Not all anime have happy endings, but you should always be left with something meaningful after you watch one... |
Gilgamesh said: I mean hey, if you think its a good idea to have a game known for its over the top absurdity revolving around good and evil, now have the very pinnacle of the latter turn out to be noting but a hack near the climax just because we're given a more mundane explanation? Go for it. I personally think it sucks and it screams of a rushed job because the writers needed to make a short series. A series that barely even focused on the Despair class but rather elements needed for DR3's future arc. Seriously, who gives a flying fuck about Mitarai and why? I'll have to blame Lerche and poor writing from Norimitsu Kaihō for this. Damn it, despair! |
IchigoMayoSep 9, 2016 12:12 AM
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| Didn't Despair Arc start out with Chisa watching her corpse in the Future Arc going "ah, I'm dead"? I wonder if the end of the Despair Arc will be an end of this one giant "flashback" and she finally reveals herself as the mastermind/traitor. |
_AnimeLover__ said: ]hinata is gone. Its only izuru with hinata's danganronpa 2 memories No he has memories as Hinata and Izuru he is a mix of the 2 and at the end of DR 2 he decides to live as Hinata not Izuru. |
I've always been confused by these shots in the OP:  But they finally make sense now, they're hinting at Chisa turning into an "Izuru" through the brainwashing we saw in this episode just like how this shot hints at it for Hinata:  Also these two shots happen one right after another in the OP which confirms this is the case even more for me. So I'm guessing the OP might change again in the next episode, with the shot of Chisa altered in someway to show her transformation and her past self fading like they did with Hinata? |
Gilgamesh said: B) We know for a fact that Junko can convert others to despair without the machine via Mukuro and Matsuda so precedence already exists. You used the worst examples here, Both Mukuro and Matsuda doesn't like Despair, they love Junko and they did all those things for her. Hell, Matsuda literally just helped her with the Ryoko thing to "cure" her from Despair. |
| BTW I don't think that people should complaing about the brainwash being dumb. A group of teenagers destroying the world because a crazy lol-so-randum chick said that life is shit is dumber. |
Gilgamesh said: I mean hey, if you think its a good idea to have a game known for its over the top absurdity revolving around good and evil, now have the very pinnacle of the latter turn out to be nothing but a hack near the climax just because we're given a more mundane explanation? Go for it. I personally think it sucks and it screams of a rushed job because the writers needed to make a short series. A series that barely even focused on the Despair class but rather elements needed for DR3's future arc. Seriously, who gives a flying fuck about Mitarai and why? Lol, a lot of people give a fuck about Mitarai, just saying... |
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
| I just finished the episode and I have chills. This was way too much intense, but so damn good. C'mon, we all knew this was coming and we wanted it, we wanted to see with our own eyes what kind of despair they had to confront to make them the beast they turned out to be, but now that it's finally here... I'm scared. I love and hate the kind of despair that exists in Danganronpa because it scares me like crazy and what I saw in this episode is no exception. Appearently, Chisa got brainwashed and she's now part of the Ultimate Despair. We don't know it for sure because we didn't actually see what really happened after Izuru watched Ikusaba trying to brainwash Chisa, but I don't want to speculate on this. She got brainwashed and the Chisa we knew is not here anymore, period. Yes, one may tell she appears in Mirai-hen and seems fine and whatever, I don't care. For what we know, she might not be the real Chisa. Anyway, Tsumiki not showing her despairful self to others and being able to change personality at will kinda surprised me, I always thought that once brainwashed, they were always in despair-mode. Interesting. She used this ability to trick Chiaki and putting her in a more serious danger, throwing her into the shark's mouth. Chiaki met Chisa, who most likely tricked her too, initially showing her normal self and then putting that weird smile on her face... poor Chiaki, I'm terribly sorry for what is going to happen to you. On the other hand, as a Gundham Tanaka-fag, I finally get to see some liiiiiiiittle action from him and his Dark Devas of Destruction! It made me laugh in the right moment, calming me down a bit xD In the end, we can say Mitarai really has nothing to do with the traitor/attacker/mastermind thing in Mirai-hen, and the things Munakata to himself about punishing Junko for harming his beloved school makes me think even more that he is partially innocent in Mirai-hen too. He probably is being used by the mastermind which, at this point in time, could also be his beloved Chisa (or whoever took her identity...). The Chisa-mastermind theory could also be true, after all it's not the first time in the series that the real mastermind fakes his death in the early stages of the story... am I wrong? We're getting really close to the end, I need to find the courage to face the truth. |
| Is it just me or does Izuru seem very un-despair? He looks bored as hell, and I do wonder if he ever felt into despair or he really was just doing what Junko wanted over boredom. Maybe something happening to chiaki would trigger some dormant feelings? At this point, I no longer know. I had a major suspicion over Mitarai at the beginning of the series but after watching what he went through in Zetsubou I'm more afraid that he'll die than turn out to be the mastermind. Poor guy, I thought he has shadows under his eyes due to drawing manga all night but he probably hasn't slept well since he met junko. Well, one way or another Chiaki is doomed. Question is, did she have any involvement with the current game in Mirai? 3 more weeks.... |
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| It makes sense now.. Chisa faked her own death and Munakata found it out so he stab the corpse or maybe It's a body double. Chisa is the mastermind! |
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