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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ----------------------------------------  I found the beginning to be kinda cute. Otherwise, I find Kyousuke's past interesting. He looks cute as a kid although he seems to shock others sometimes when he demonstrates his psychic powers. I still enjoyed this episode despite being a flashback. I laughed at that presentation they were watching. It looked like one of the guys was doing a kamehameha. The relationship between Kyousuke and Fujiko is quite interesting to watch this episode. |
Stark700Feb 18, 2013 11:06 AM
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| DAT Fujiko Young or old I would do things to her. 1 more week to end this flashback and we are back to business, though this is not a bad flashback in any way |
| In the middle of watching. Did the opening change?? Looks grey? Edit: Now I know: WWII background like scenes. Hyoubu and Fujiko- awe!!! New ED !!!!! |
AnimeFan500Feb 18, 2013 11:41 AM
| Loved the touch they added with the opening animation for the episode. The new ED was also nice. Yay for the Generation Zero arc from the manga. :) Lastly, DAT teenage Fujiko. |
(Also known on other places as Hiss13) All hail the adorable chess master! |
| Wow Fujiko looked totally different. Can't believe she's the same person O_O Really interested to see what happens to change the situation to what it is now. What will Hyobu do? What will espers do to make people fear them that much?...etc Can't wait for the nxt ep :) |
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| Fujiko was annoying to me until she kicked that naval officer. |
| save all the cute girls from ntr manga |
| Didn't like the ED.. Darkness Night pls |
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| Interesting new filter change for the OP: Blood Red, Ocean Blue, and now Old War film A well done episode that establishes the rapport between the ESP unit and offers a view of the world of the 1940s from young Kyosuke's eyes. I get the kind of character Fujiko is supposed to be but when is there ever going to be a normal young girl who can't be fit into classic tropes. Tropes are fine but they're supposed to add to a character's personality not be defined by it. So next week I'm thinking the ESP unit is being set up by the military only for all of them to be killed in the test coming up with everyone dying except obviously Kyosuke. |
| Fujiko is so cute and kyousuke is signing the ed x3 Looks like generation zero will take two more eps |
I'd trust this guy. |
 ^ Why isn't this updating... |
| Worst ep so far. |
| This was an okay episode. Finding out about Hyoubu's past is pretty interesting. Fujiko seemed like a really annoying character to begin with but she seems like a great 'older sister' to Kyousuke. Aya Hirano voicing young Hyoubu was pretty cool. :) Next episode is gonna be a continuation of this 'flashback' Generation Zero arc. |
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Hyack said: I like this ending, but Darkness Night is the best so far. I wonder what other character songs we'll hear~Didn't like the ED.. Darkness Night pls And another great episode. Little Kyousuke so cute <3 |
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| Wow usually I dislike flashbacks but this one was pretty good. XD when she kicked the police officer and naval officer. The ESP team is cool, though they may die soon. The next episode is going to be great. |
| If strength is justice, then is powerlessness a crime? |
| Glasses+closed eyes=typical yet best villain candidate |
| 日本人はイッちゃってるよ あいつら未来に生きてんな |
| nothing but filler this week. ugh. Fujiko was the best part all through the episode. |
| The back story is alright. We are about to find out why Kyousuke killed half of the BABEL original members. Maybe this will continue in the next two eps. |
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| Unlike others i enjoyed this flashback because it develops Kyousuke more and it's needed development, giving it only one episode would have been way to rushed. |
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| I always like seeing a good backstory and this one didn't fail. I really liked it, made me interested in what happens to them all, they're all different and somehow, even though they had little screen time, I like them all. Looking forward to seeing what happened. |
| That was interesting 1st generation espers,changed OP was good and new ED rockz,can't wait for the next ep. |
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Hydnlife said: nothing but filler this week. ugh. . Hem, it's the adaptation of the Generation zero arc from the manga. This is the first episode of this anime that isn't a filler. |
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| This quite an amazingly made episode , even if this is just a flashback . That change in filter at the OP was certainly fresh and awesome , that new ED . wow , just wow , Manglobe is really giving its all in here I cant believe it . Those members of the ESP unit was nice and interesting . Manglobe made it's characters in a flashback developed and interesting that much in one episode it's unbelievable . lol . It's a good thing that this flashback are 2 eps . 1 would be too short and 3 would be dumb . And it would be really heartbreaking if they would just d ... di ... die .... Well , I guess it's just inevitable . That captain's intentions are so obvious it would be dumb not to notice . I cant wait for the next episode . It would prolly be really awesome even if it's just a flashback . I just need to be ready to watch Hyoubu and Fujiko's sad faces , and the rest of the ESP unit . HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG . OH AND ESPECIALLY THIS FUJIKO :]] |
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| The next episode should be epic. |
| Im surprised no one mention that this is directly taken from the manga. |
| Awwww, Hyoubu was so cute. I love his usual playful character, but his younger self was really cute and I wanted to hug him. I also liked the new opening. I have really enjoyed this anime so far even though I haven't watched its predecessor anime(and I probably won't ever cause it gave me this annoying feeling that I would hate it). This flash back was interesting and it gives me something to think about(like whether the person who betrays Hyoubu is part of the ESP unit and who it might be and also which character that old guy in episode 3 is in the flashback). I can't wait for the next episode.<3 Hyoubu Forever! Note: I haven't read the manga so don't bash me if you already know the answer to the questions I'm pondering(stuff in parentheses) |
SusuBitesYouFeb 19, 2013 5:43 PM
komic said: Im surprised no one mention that this is directly taken from the manga. You need to read my previous message :) |
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komic said: Im surprised no one mention that this is directly taken from the manga. I see you do not read through the posts on this thread. Otherwise you would have noticed that two people had mentioned it before you did. Point in case: CreationBreaker said: Yay for the Generation Zero arc from the manga. :) and Arlia said: Hem, it's the adaptation of the Generation zero arc from the manga. |
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DawnJ said: Glasses+closed eyes=typical yet best villain candidate They made it pretty clear but if you had watched the prequel before watching this season you'd know that he is indeed a bad guy. He's the one that betrayed Hyoubu and made him hate the normals but that will not really happen in the next episode (except in case of time skip in the flashback) as it happened when Hyoubu was an adult. Hydnlife said: nothing but filler this week. ugh. Filler? You mean character development of many characters as well as one of the most important character in the whole ZKC verse? The reason why Hyoubu is doing what he is doing as well as the whole problematic the series bring? Insight on how BABEBL started, the prediction that Hyoubu will start an all out war between the normals and the espers and that Kaoru will lead PANDRA in this war... everything is linked together so well and you are calling it a filler? That's what happen when you watch a spin off without watching the original series. This series is not meant as a standalone. Even if you end up enjoying it you will be missing most of the fun and entertainment this series can bring as well as believing that some things are not developed enough when they were in the main series. It wasn't clear in the first few episode but now this is clearly a sequel to the first season and thus it is highly recommended to watch the first season. You wouldn't start a X anime on it's second season would you? Then there's no reason on starting with this one. |
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ZeroChaos said: Andy gets a scene in the mangas 4 koma. And Yugiri as well! I enjoyed to watch some manga chapters animated. |
| In manga(extra) Fujiko was a MILF! Maybe I should learn from her how to harass young Kyousuke. |
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Scheherazade1007 said: That's what happen when you watch a spin off without watching the original series. This series is not meant as a standalone. Even if you end up enjoying it you will be missing most of the fun and entertainment this series can bring as well as believing that some things are not developed enough when they were in the main series. It wasn't clear in the first few episode but now this is clearly a sequel to the first season and thus it is highly recommended to watch the first season. You wouldn't start a X anime on it's second season would you? Then there's no reason on starting with this one. I really think you should put a spoiler warning on some of the stuff for people like me who haven't watched the original show or don't read the manga. And while this is indeed a spin-off, it was already stated in the beginning by the mangaka that this IS in fact a stand-alone and anyone who watches doesn't need to have had any prior experience in the ZKC world, whether that be manga or original anime. I know quite a few people who have never even heard of ZKC and are still really enjoying this show. I have seen others who hated the original anime but like this series. I have never read the manga and only watched a few episodes of ZKC and I'm doing fine. I think its because the tonal shift is so large that the two shows became two different genres and therefore attracted totally different audiences. ZKC is a magical girl shoujo, while The Unlimited is a superhuman organization shounen. The fact that people haven't read the manga or watched the parent show shouldn't be a deterrent to them. If that was the case, hardly anyone would be into it. |
Irenesharda said: Scheherazade1007 said: That's what happen when you watch a spin off without watching the original series. This series is not meant as a standalone. Even if you end up enjoying it you will be missing most of the fun and entertainment this series can bring as well as believing that some things are not developed enough when they were in the main series. It wasn't clear in the first few episode but now this is clearly a sequel to the first season and thus it is highly recommended to watch the first season. You wouldn't start a X anime on it's second season would you? Then there's no reason on starting with this one. I really think you should put a spoiler warning on some of the stuff for people like me who haven't watched the original show or don't read the manga. And while this is indeed a spin-off, it was already stated in the beginning by the mangaka that this IS in fact a stand-alone and anyone who watches doesn't need to have had any prior experience in the ZKC world, whether that be manga or original anime. I know quite a few people who have never even heard of ZKC and are still really enjoying this show. I have seen others who hated the original anime but like this series. I have never read the manga and only watched a few episodes of ZKC and I'm doing fine. I think its because the tonal shift is so large that the two shows became two different genres and therefore attracted totally different audiences. ZKC is a magical girl shoujo, while The Unlimited is a superhuman organization shounen. The fact that people haven't read the manga or watched the parent show shouldn't be a deterrent to them. If that was the case, hardly anyone would be into it. Pretty much this: Sholic said: What? You can't be serious. D8 ZKC is not magical girl shoujo... It's 100% shonen. The Unlimited is ZKC without the comedy (or at least, very toned down comedy). I can understand that one might not like the original ZKC (Even I think it was average at best) but it doesn't change that if you do not watch it you are missing out on most of what Unlimited can bring. -Lot of characters in this sequel will not receive any development and will seem dull, single minded and kind of useless while they had their share of development in the original series. -Some plot element will feel meaningless and you will have nothing to tie it to. Actually you might even not consider some point to be important while they are. -You are missing on the multiple references to the main series as well as a good understanding of the world ZKC is in, America/Japan relationship, etc. -This series is a 'filler' as in it will not leave a respectable impact on the ZKC verse once it's done. The series will have this "all ended too well" feel as to not contradict the on-current manga (Because the manga is currently at a point further in time). |
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Sholic said: Irenesharda said: What? You can't be serious. D8ZKC is a magical girl shoujo, while The Unlimited is a superhuman organization shounen. ZKC is not magical girl shoujo... It's 100% shonen. The Unlimited is ZKC without the comedy (or at least, very toned down comedy). I'm sorry, but the show features 3 super-powered little girls who are somehow more powerful than anyone else. The girls have to work together as a team and believe in themselves to get the job done. There is comedy, romance, school life, silliness and shenanigans abound. This is SO a shoujo, like Cardcaptor Sakura or Sailor Moon, except with espers. I would never presume to put a show like ZKC in the same category as a shows like Bleach, Yu Yu Hakusho, Naruto, Berserk, Hunter X Hunter etc. Can you honestly tell me that Zettai Karen Children was made with young boys/men in mind? Seriously?! |
Scheherazade1007 said: Irenesharda said: Scheherazade1007 said: That's what happen when you watch a spin off without watching the original series. This series is not meant as a standalone. Even if you end up enjoying it you will be missing most of the fun and entertainment this series can bring as well as believing that some things are not developed enough when they were in the main series. It wasn't clear in the first few episode but now this is clearly a sequel to the first season and thus it is highly recommended to watch the first season. You wouldn't start a X anime on it's second season would you? Then there's no reason on starting with this one. I really think you should put a spoiler warning on some of the stuff for people like me who haven't watched the original show or don't read the manga. And while this is indeed a spin-off, it was already stated in the beginning by the mangaka that this IS in fact a stand-alone and anyone who watches doesn't need to have had any prior experience in the ZKC world, whether that be manga or original anime. I know quite a few people who have never even heard of ZKC and are still really enjoying this show. I have seen others who hated the original anime but like this series. I have never read the manga and only watched a few episodes of ZKC and I'm doing fine. I think its because the tonal shift is so large that the two shows became two different genres and therefore attracted totally different audiences. ZKC is a magical girl shoujo, while The Unlimited is a superhuman organization shounen. The fact that people haven't read the manga or watched the parent show shouldn't be a deterrent to them. If that was the case, hardly anyone would be into it. Pretty much this: Sholic said: What? You can't be serious. D8 ZKC is not magical girl shoujo... It's 100% shonen. The Unlimited is ZKC without the comedy (or at least, very toned down comedy). I can understand that one might not like the original ZKC (Even I think it was average at best) but it doesn't change that if you do not watch it you are missing out on most of what Unlimited can bring. -Lot of characters in this sequel will not receive any development and will seem dull, single minded and kind of useless while they had their share of development in the original series. -Some plot element will feel meaningless and you will have nothing to tie it to. Actually you might even not consider some point to be important while they are. -You are missing on the multiple references to the main series as well as a good understanding of the world ZKC is in, America/Japan relationship, etc. -This series is a 'filler' as in it will not leave a respectable impact on the ZKC verse once it's done. The series will have this "all ended too well" feel as to not contradict the on-current manga (Because the manga is currently at a point further in time). Honestly, I had the opposite reaction. I actually felt that looking at ZKC decreased my appreciation and enjoyment of The Unlimited. I liked being surprised and told the events from a more serious point of view. I never enjoyed to original main characters, but I can somewhat tolerate them here. As for the manga, I probably won't touch it unless they decide to make an Unlimited adaptation. I hold my anime and manga worlds pretty separate, and believe it or not, there are some anime that can make a better adaptation than what was in the original manga. I have never been one who believes that the adaptation has to always correlate with the continuity of the manga. So what if it means the whole series is "filler"? There have been many great series that started out without a literary source (Code Geass), or some that started out with the manga but ended up being an entire show of very excellent filler (Fullmetal Alchemist). |
Irenesharda said: Sholic said: Irenesharda said: What? You can't be serious. D8ZKC is a magical girl shoujo, while The Unlimited is a superhuman organization shounen. ZKC is not magical girl shoujo... It's 100% shonen. The Unlimited is ZKC without the comedy (or at least, very toned down comedy). I'm sorry, but the show features 3 super-powered little girls who are somehow more powerful than anyone else. The girls have to work together as a team and believe in themselves to get the job done. There is comedy, romance, school life, silliness and shenanigans abound. This is SO a shoujo, like Cardcaptor Sakura or Sailor Moon, except with espers. I would never presume to put a show like ZKC in the same category as a shows like Bleach, Yu Yu Hakusho, Naruto, Berserk, Hunter X Hunter etc. Can you honestly tell me that Zettai Karen Children was made with young boys/men in mind? Seriously?! Somehow more powerful than everyone else? Where is this even stated. Yes, they're Level 7s. But, the only Level 7s in Japan. There are plenty of other Level 7s-The members of USEI, the main members of PANDRA, etc. Yes, the girls work together in a team, but there are multiple instances in which they work together perfectly on their own. Comedy, Romance, School Life, Shenanigans? Negima's manga (which in my opinion is one of the best Shonen manga written) had all of that. Did that make it Shoujo all of a sudden? Hayate no Gotoku has that. Is it suddenly Shoujo? Shakugan no Shana had that. Is it Shoujo? To Aru Majutsu no Index had most of that. Is IT suddenly Shoujo? Those elements don't suddenly make it a Shoujo. Not gonna legitimize the next statement. As for your last two statements. ZKC is published in the same magazine as Hayate no Gotoku, Magi, Detective Conan, and The World God Only Knows. So, yes. I can honestly tell you that it was made with boys/young men in mind. I challenge you to look at the "Generation Zero" arc (which is being animated in the Unlimited), the "As Time Goes By" arc, the "The ESPer Boy Has Returned Home" arc and the "Long Goodbye" Arc [All spoiler heavy arcs] and honestly tell me that it IS NOT a Shonen. Can you? C'mon, I dare you. |
Ashen_MikoFeb 21, 2013 6:30 PM
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CreationBreaker said: As for your last two statements. ZKC is published in the same magazine as Hayate no Gotoku, Magi, Detective Conan, and The World God Only Knows. So, yes. I can honestly tell you that it was made with boys/young men in mind. I challenge you to look at the "Generation Zero" arc (which is being animated in the Unlimited), the "As Time Goes By" arc, the "The ESPer Boy Has Returned Home" arc and the "Long Goodbye" Arc [All spoiler heavy arcs] and honestly tell me that it IS NOT a Shonen. Can you? C'mon, I dare you. I can tell you about several shoujo manga that deal with dark and violent themes such as the arcs you're referring to. (Fushigi Yugi and Ceres for example) The thing is, even though there are some things in here to keep guys interested, the question you should ask is who are the main characters? Who is the audience supposed to identify with? Three 10-13 year old girls. Hayate has a male lead, Conan: Male lead, Magi: Male Lead, even Shana and Index have some male leads. The thing is that I and others will see this show as a "magical girl" shoujo despite your arguments and we can argue back and forth on this forever. That won't stop how I or, I can assure you, many others, see ZKC. Calling it a "magical girl shoujo" show actually didn't originate with me. When I did research on the show for this one, that is what was told to me that ZKC was, from more than one source. And when I finally watched it I agreed. I'm sorry if you don't see it that way, but that's going to be the genre my brain puts it in. |
Irenesharda said: I can tell you about several shoujo manga that deal with dark and violent themes such as the arcs you're referring to. (Fushigi Yugi and Ceres for example) The thing is, even though there are some things in here to keep guys interested, the question you should ask is who are the main characters? Who is the audience supposed to identify with? Three 10-13 year old girls. Hayate has a male lead, Conan: Male lead, Magi: Male Lead, even Shana and Index have some male leads. The thing is that I and others will see this show as a "magical girl" shoujo despite your arguments and we can argue back and forth on this forever. That won't stop how I or, I can assure you, many others, see ZKC. Calling it a "magical girl shoujo" show actually didn't originate with me. When I did research on the show for this one, that is what was told to me that ZKC was, from more than one source. And when I finally watched it I agreed. I'm sorry if you don't see it that way, but that's going to be the genre my brain puts it in. My argument with you is not that ZKC is "Mahou Shoujo" in some sense. You can perceive it as a shoujo manga if you want. I frankly don't care about that either. It is with your declaration that ZKC is absolutely in no ways a shounen. All I am saying is that it is published in a shounen magazine (Shonen Sunday to be precise). Therefore, it is a shounen due to the demographic it is aimed at. How YOU or I perceive it has no bearing on that FACT. Lastly, I want to point out that a main female lead (even if they are 10-13) does not mean shoujo. Case in point: Read or Die (shounen) and Lyrical Nanoha (seinen). |
Ashen_MikoFeb 21, 2013 8:18 PM
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Irenesharda said: CreationBreaker said: As for your last two statements. ZKC is published in the same magazine as Hayate no Gotoku, Magi, Detective Conan, and The World God Only Knows. So, yes. I can honestly tell you that it was made with boys/young men in mind. I challenge you to look at the "Generation Zero" arc (which is being animated in the Unlimited), the "As Time Goes By" arc, the "The ESPer Boy Has Returned Home" arc and the "Long Goodbye" Arc [All spoiler heavy arcs] and honestly tell me that it IS NOT a Shonen. Can you? C'mon, I dare you. I can tell you about several shoujo manga that deal with dark and violent themes such as the arcs you're referring to. (Fushigi Yugi and Ceres for example) The thing is, even though there are some things in here to keep guys interested, the question you should ask is who are the main characters? Who is the audience supposed to identify with? Three 10-13 year old girls. Hayate has a male lead, Conan: Male lead, Magi: Male Lead, even Shana and Index have some male leads. The thing is that I and others will see this show as a "magical girl" shoujo despite your arguments and we can argue back and forth on this forever. That won't stop how I or, I can assure you, many others, see ZKC. Calling it a "magical girl shoujo" show actually didn't originate with me. When I did research on the show for this one, that is what was told to me that ZKC was, from more than one source. And when I finally watched it I agreed. I'm sorry if you don't see it that way, but that's going to be the genre my brain puts it in. How about Minamoto who is actually the "real" main character? Everything revolve around him, much more than with the three girls. ZKC is a shounen. It's published in a magazine aimed at young boys and is doing pretty well there (enough to be over 330 chapters) so you'd think that this is actually of relevant interest for the target audience of the magazine. Comparing ZKC to Negima is a pretty good idea actually as they both use a pretty similar formula. Irenesharda said: So what if it means the whole series is "filler"? There have been many great series that started out without a literary source (Code Geass), or some that started out with the manga but ended up being an entire show of very excellent filler (Fullmetal Alchemist). "Great series" is relative. I believe that the first season of Code Geass was fresh and interesting but the second seasons was horrible. I also believe that the original FMA was bad and that was without checking the manga. Yet this is of no relation here as they are obviously trying to stay on track with what the manga established. This limit the outcome Unlimited can have to something that would still fit on track with the manga. Hyoubu won't die no matter how sick he seems and Andy will not stay with Pandra by the end of the show. That's what filler means. It's not an original ending ala FMA, it's simply filler as in a Bleach or Naruto filler arc. |
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Pizuya said: I'd trust this guy. lol |
| I really wanted to know what will happen to Andy. But it was a decent flashback. |
| OP was awesome! That added vignette and old tv filter really grounded the ep in Hyoubu's past. |
| lol at people mixing Mahou Shoujo with Shoujo. Sorry but I ROFTL'ed when I read that. |
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| Decent episode, but this flashback was more moe than plot, next episode looks... decent. Hopefully we'll get more Kyosuke badass-ness soon. |
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