| There is one post from AnoniMus that I somehow must agree with... AnoniMus said: Can someone talk badly about this aniem so I can just put a x2 under that post? Really: This show makes no sense. A girl died several years ago and now she is the center of the atention when she is dead! Everyone's actions and forms of behavior somewhat revolves around her, I can't stand it. In this episode the first part was so ridiculous, I love dramas, but this tries to be a drama but without a good reason. The crying would be understandable if she had just died, not million years after. The anime can be interesting when they don't talk about Memna and the character relations are cool. But despite that it's anoying, not boring, but really reallly anoying. Quick graph to show my appreciation of this series.  http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=296379&show=100#msg10711299 I really find it weird, all that Menma's popularity... Okay, she's dead - was for a long time by now, time to move on. Are japanese teenagers all like that, that they cry for someone who is long gone? And yeah, I honestly don't find anything interesting about her. Wonder why she was ever center of everyone's attention. One thing's for sure - if it continues like all this menmamenmamenma, this show is ruined for me. |
| Isn't it interesting that the show's conflicts are based around Menma? If Menma hadn't even existed, why would they have even been torn apart? Take Menma away and both Anjou and Tsurumi have no third person in the way of their crush, Jinta and Atsumo would also have no reason to hate or fight with each other and they also wouldn't have fallen to pieces during the years. So, take Meiko away and the show loses it's conflict, it's that simple. Even the small seemingly unconnected events, like Anaru befriending the slut duo, are connected slightly to Menma, or rather, to the consequences of the falling out of the group after Menma's death. If you just wanted to see a slice of life maybe you should have picked another show. |
Leon-GunMay 14, 2011 4:38 AM
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| I wouldn't mind as much if Menma act more like a normal ghost if that makes any sense. She shouldn't be able to eat, touch, etc. |
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| You sure have time now don't you? In a story she is supposed to be the main heroine, and the trigger to the whole story's development, i find funny you saying the anime turns out to be unenjoyable when she is presented. I really wonder what where you expecting. Seriously. I just loved her character. She isn't annoyingly Tennen, batshit random, or even retarded. She fits surprisingly well the show and its cast, and kind of balances out the angust always present. I'm kind of being a hypocrit now that i wrote this much but actually, i digress. I'm enjoying the show. I'm not going to change your opinion, so yeah. Better luck with your next anime. |
| Menma annoys me just as most loli characters do by being immature, naive, etc... If she was just a normal character, I am 100% sure that I would've despised her and thought exactly the same thing. However, not only is the entire plot based around her, the circumstances surrounding her have been done well enough that I actually do feel bad for her, although I think the show could have been better if Menma was just a bit less.... "stupid". Not that I'm complaining, this show is already good enough. You have to understand how close the friend really were, and how young they were when this happened. It is perfectly understandable that they are still grieving for her, considering the situation. |
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| I agree. The entire Menma shit happened when they were brats, and it was so many fucking years ago. Suddenly, after so many years everyone gets sentimental and ejaculate emotional sperms all over the screen. I was hoping for underdog badassness and I found myself disappointed. If Menma didn't turn up as a ghost and instead remained as a concept of psychological guilt, I'm fine with that, but not the farking annoying ghost bullshit. I sure hope it is a hallucination, it better be. The pace is insanely slow, with flashbacks repeating the same shit again and again. |
| Doubt Doubt. |
| I'm pretty sure Menma is just stupid because she has the same mentality she had from when she died. Since she wouldn't exactly be growing up and becoming smarter when she's dead. Quite possible that she really is just a hallucination that only Jintan can see. His "stress" and "trauma". Who knows how deeply mentally and emotionally scarred he was when she died. He did like her back then and they were really close. Plus living a hikikomori-ish life isn't exactly helping his issues either as he could've been brooding over it every day alone at home to the point of going somewhat crazy. Buuuut, if in the end she really WAS a ghost then I'll probably be rather annoyed. Though I doubt I would dislike the series since its been so good despite the ghost stuff. |
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| What was ruining the show for me was that she didn't prove she was actually there when we've been shown she can interact with things. But your graph is correct. The show is a lot more enjoyable when she isn't around. |
| Well, this is kind of amusing.. What would the plot be without Menma then? The conflicts? Yeah, she's been dead a while now and they're still stuck in the past. But does that really matter? Come on! It's a damn anime, not people in real life that you need to go say 'Get on with your life' to. But then again, if your friend's suddenly told you they can see a dead childhood friend and proves that she's real, I'm sure you'd feel all sentimentally too. And if you haven't noticed the whole main conflict and plot of this anime is about her, so if you really don't like it, please do pick another anime to watch. Since, everybody is hating on Menma right now, I guess it's the time to also include that I love her and think she's adorable. Though she IS stupid because she's still in the mind frame of a 6 years old. I enjoy the episodes with Menma a lot. |
| yeah, i agree that menma is ruining this anime. Yey, the anime will be more enjoyable when there's no menma now. I think it's okay menma in the past but not for now. Why does she appear now, not 1 year after her death or, 1 month, if the reason only to tell that her friends should not blame themselves. In the 9th episode, the conflict it think fall down because everyone accept menma's appearance when she showed herself by typing in her diary. It is because there is ghost that is not rational and ruin the show. All will be end when it was ghost. May be, it is still okay when she's only jintan imagination because in reality, she is not exist and can not interact with things. I think it will be more interesting... :) |
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| Are you guys for real?!! No Menma, No Story! |
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| Menma's the center of attention via the guilt everyone feels. These types of emotions are very real in life, and while the show does exaggerate these kinds of feelings, I can say with certainty that it does a really friggin' good job at showcasing the guilt of losing someone. Also, Anjou's a bitch. kidright said: Why does she appear now, not 1 year after her death or, 1 month, if the reason only to tell that her friends should not blame themselves. In the 9th episode, the conflict it think fall down because everyone accept menma's appearance when she showed herself by typing in her diary. It is because there is ghost that is not rational and ruin the show. All will be end when it was ghost. We have no idea when Menma appeared, but like every show, you can't focus on every timeline. The creator's picked a time, and decided to go with it. |
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kidright said: Why does she appear now, not 1 year after her death or, 1 month well maybe because the story goes that way?... XD its like asking god, why he made the sky blue... he wanted it to be blue, so he made it blue! they wanted menma to appear at that time because they wanted to... simple as that, no need to overthink this... kidright said: yeah, i agree that menma is ruining this anime. Yey, the anime will be more enjoyable when there's no menma now. I think it's okay menma in the past but not for now. stop being silly, if not for menma, there will be no AnoHana... |
lucjan said: We have no idea when Menma appeared, but like every show, you can't focus on every timeline. The creator's picked a time, and decided to go with it. Yeah, may be you're right. chaelmi said: stop being silly, if not for menma, there will be no AnoHana... For this anime may be we should accept it, is menma a ghost or not, so because for my self, the true that i can enjoy is their friendship, so it is not surprised this score 8.68 and this ranking is raising.. :) |
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blue001 said: "will ruin this show" There's nothing to ruin. The show is already bad and it exemplifies how the badness of anime seeing as though this bad anime gets an 8.68 score. So much crappy dialogue, drama, lame voice acting, lame predictable flashbacks and panning shots... everything about it is bad. "so much drama" - wtf, the genre of this anime is drama, what do you expect? comedy? gags? of course there should be DRAMA and there should be more of it... "lame voice acting" - what's lame here? the voice acting is very well done... the emotions are really felt by the viewers and very natural... its like watching real drama in life... do you even know that even the seiyuu were almost crying while voicing this anime.. i doubt you know... "lame predictable flashbacks" - you can't even predict what will happen next >.< so overall... "everything about this show is bad" is a LAME statement! |
Psajdak said: There is one post from AnoniMus that I somehow must agree with... AnoniMus said: Can someone talk badly about this aniem so I can just put a x2 under that post? Really: This show makes no sense. A girl died several years ago and now she is the center of the atention when she is dead! Everyone's actions and forms of behavior somewhat revolves around her, I can't stand it. In this episode the first part was so ridiculous, I love dramas, but this tries to be a drama but without a good reason. The crying would be understandable if she had just died, not million years after. The anime can be interesting when they don't talk about Memna and the character relations are cool. But despite that it's anoying, not boring, but really reallly anoying. Quick graph to show my appreciation of this series. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=296379&show=100#msg10711299 I really find it weird, all that Menma's popularity... Okay, she's dead - was for a long time by now, time to move on. Are japanese teenagers all like that, that they cry for someone who is long gone? And yeah, I honestly don't find anything interesting about her. Wonder why she was ever center of everyone's attention. One thing's for sure - if it continues like all this menmamenmamenma, this show is ruined for me. well, it's like when menma died, for the rest of the group, time also stopped for them. you guys talk like someone dying is no big deal. can you really get over it? no. you can only move on. you can't get over someone dear to you DYING. do you know what that means? you'll never see/hear them again. they'll never be on this earth ever again. and of course she's the center of attention.. she's the main character dude. if she wasn't there, there wouldn't be a story besides happy school days. this wasn't just for her too, it was for the rest of the group. they needed to find closure so they could continue on with their lives. for the last years, they've been blaming themselves for menma's death. the anime was based on moving on, but never forgetting. |
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| I get your point, but this anime is about her, all of them have become like because of her, and now that she is back they are trying to move on and let her go. If you disliked it, i am sorry, but i can't just agree with you, it made no sense for you, but made for me. |
| well if the creators of anohana showed her full death scene, i would have weeped for her. It was visually necessary (though sadistic) to make me convince anohana and menma are good tearjerkers, and i waited for it until the final ep, and still they showed nothing better than her slipper...thus any means of sympathy to menma is bar none, and i gave sympathy more from a supporting character which in turn was the plot trigger: jintan's mom :( cmon, that scene supposed to be the defining moment to make this anime shine, but they did not delivered it...hmm reminds me of angel beats *sigh |
sauteed_roachesJun 24, 2011 8:12 PM
| wow, just now I realized there was a topic based on a post of mine. I won't repky to all so just this: Kico7 said: I get your point, but this anime is about her, all of them have become like because of her, and now that she is back they are trying to move on and let her go. If you disliked it, i am sorry, but i can't just agree with you, it made no sense for you, but made for me. That's exactly the problem, all their actions and personalities are like that due to someone being dead! Doesn't make any sense. Even if you lost someone close to you, usualy you will be distrubed for some days or weeks and then move on, and even if you remember him/her almost everyday your actions still shouldn't be based on him/her that's not racional, it's irrational and even dumb. About the anime, if Menma had another personality I would've have liked more, but still it's not the only problem, all the setting and the way the story is delivered is bad. They don't make us feel anything for the characters*. Take Cross Game, they had 1 full episode to connect with the two main characters and then she dies, that was really much more dramatic than any part of this show. (Of course later I hated the fact like in here that they don't move on, and their dreams are connected to Wakaba, dumb thing again). I just realized, maybe you like this anime because you don't think there are problems and deaths in the world everywhere, so you can only sympathize when you see them. Well, because I am conscient of the fact everyminute people are dying, some of them horryfing deahts, i managed to feel less emotions torwards them,so when they show people I don't know on movies or anime I don't care (ok I care, I love WWII movies and all the guys who die i don't know) they have to make a background story to make me feel anything, specialy when this is an anime and a person know it's just fiction, then this needs even more background. |
AnoniMusJun 25, 2011 5:23 AM
AnoniMus said: You lack empathy. It seems the more conscious you've become of death the less empathy you can feel for other's suffering. Also, I've seen people who's lives completely stop after the death of a closed loved one. Don't pretend everyone deals with death as easily as you seem able to.wow, just now I realized there was a topic based on a post of mine. I won't repky to all so just this: Kico7 said: I get your point, but this anime is about her, all of them have become like because of her, and now that she is back they are trying to move on and let her go. If you disliked it, i am sorry, but i can't just agree with you, it made no sense for you, but made for me. That's exactly the problem, all their actions and personalities are like that due to someone being dead! Doesn't make any sense. Even if you lost someone close to you, usualy you will be distrubed for some days or weeks and then move on, and even if you remember him/her almost everyday your actions still shouldn't be based on him/her that's not racional, it's irrational and even dumb. About the anime, if Menma had another personality I would've have liked more, but still it's not the only problem, all the setting and the way the story is delivered is bad. They don't make us feel anything for the characters*. Take Cross Game, they had 1 full episode to connect with the two main characters and then she dies, that was really much more dramatic than any part of this show. (Of course later I hated the fact like in here that they don't move on, and their dreams are connected to Wakaba, dumb thing again). I just realized, maybe you like this anime because you don't think there are problems and deaths in the world everywhere, so you can only sympathize when you see them. Well, because I am conscient of the fact everyminute people are dying, some of them horryfing deahts, i managed to feel less emotions torwards them,so when they show people I don't know on movies or anime I don't care (ok I care, I love WWII movies and all the guys who die i don't know) they have to make a background story to make me feel anything, specialy when this is an anime and a person know it's just fiction, then this needs even more background. |
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Leon-Gun said: AnoniMus said: You lack empathy. It seems the more conscious you've become of death the less empathy you can feel for other's suffering. Also, I've seen people who's lives completely stop after the death of a closed loved one. Don't pretend everyone deals with death as easily as you seem able to.wow, just now I realized there was a topic based on a post of mine. I won't repky to all so just this: Kico7 said: I get your point, but this anime is about her, all of them have become like because of her, and now that she is back they are trying to move on and let her go. If you disliked it, i am sorry, but i can't just agree with you, it made no sense for you, but made for me. That's exactly the problem, all their actions and personalities are like that due to someone being dead! Doesn't make any sense. Even if you lost someone close to you, usualy you will be distrubed for some days or weeks and then move on, and even if you remember him/her almost everyday your actions still shouldn't be based on him/her that's not racional, it's irrational and even dumb. About the anime, if Menma had another personality I would've have liked more, but still it's not the only problem, all the setting and the way the story is delivered is bad. They don't make us feel anything for the characters*. Take Cross Game, they had 1 full episode to connect with the two main characters and then she dies, that was really much more dramatic than any part of this show. (Of course later I hated the fact like in here that they don't move on, and their dreams are connected to Wakaba, dumb thing again). I just realized, maybe you like this anime because you don't think there are problems and deaths in the world everywhere, so you can only sympathize when you see them. Well, because I am conscient of the fact everyminute people are dying, some of them horryfing deahts, i managed to feel less emotions torwards them,so when they show people I don't know on movies or anime I don't care (ok I care, I love WWII movies and all the guys who die i don't know) they have to make a background story to make me feel anything, specialy when this is an anime and a person know it's just fiction, then this needs even more background. Au contraire, I'm really empathetic (not sure if the words exists). I can put myself easily on other people shoes, so much that always when there is a guy who's being tortured I put myself in his shoes. In all situations I put myself in the shoes of the worst person there in terms of suffering. Otherwise I wouldn't be a communist and care for society and community (even considering I'm not a social person). But this is completly diferent, they just didn't make us care for the characters. And there's a limit between emotion and reason, they ignored 100% this last one. I mean, learn with FMA deaths, even Naruto ones. Or even more realistic Clannad After Story (but the ending ruined it). |
| I'm sorry you look to be the one who can't understand others quite well :/ And are you a clone of someone? Or just register to say this? |
| Isn't it just because they were children? While it's true that people can get over the death of their loved one after a while, it can only be applied to adults, who have basic ideas how things work. For children, it's not that simple. One impact can affect their whole life when they grow up. I'm pretty sure many children cry just because they lose their favorite toys, maybe something pretty, or something given by their parents. The death of a close friend is much more than that. Can you say deaths are not much of an impact for them? And no, if you put yourself in people's shoes, you still cannot fully understand their action. It sure can help you view their problem from a different place, but it cannot change how your mind works. Heck yeah, if people could understand each other easily just by putting themselves on others' shoes, there wouldn't be conflicts all over the world. |
oya-poya said: AnoniMus said: I'm sorry you look to be the one who can't understand others quite well :/ And are you a clone of someone? Or just register to say this? I think that'd be you. Nope, just register to say that. Why would that matter? Read your first two sentences of your other post. First you troll, then you deny something you can't even know. PhatomZwei I think if we go that way we diverge from the topic. You are mostly right tough. But that does not change what happened in the anime is not only unrealistic as melodramatic. |
Angel_-_Lily said: Are you guys for real?!! No Menma, No Story! @Anonimus Not everyone cope with death so easily. And what you said conflicted with your earlier point. "people will be disturbed for days or weeks then move on" (I disagree greatly btw) then you use Clannad After Story as an example... which PhantomZwei said: And no, if you put yourself in people's shoes, you still cannot fully understand their action. It sure can help you view their problem from a different place, but it cannot change how your mind works. Heck yeah, if people could understand each other easily just by putting themselves on others' shoes, there wouldn't be conflicts all over the world. my thoughts exactly, I'm one half of a twin, and I don't think anyone can understand my bond with my brother just by putting themselves in my shoe. I once seen a TV program somewhere that some hero just lost his loved one, he carried his love one in his arms, assuming that he's going to bury her. Then a wise sage speak to him out of sympathy "My child..." which the hero cut the sage off by saying "Do you understand? Really?" The Sage stop talking and watches as the hero walks away. No one can fully understood how another felt about death. It's that simple. |
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AirStyles said: Angel_-_Lily said: Are you guys for real?!! No Menma, No Story! @Anonimus Not everyone cope with death so easily. And what you said conflicted with your earlier point. "people will be disturbed for days or weeks then move on" (I disagree greatly btw) then you use Clannad After Story as an example... which PhantomZwei said: And no, if you put yourself in people's shoes, you still cannot fully understand their action. It sure can help you view their problem from a different place, but it cannot change how your mind works. Heck yeah, if people could understand each other easily just by putting themselves on others' shoes, there wouldn't be conflicts all over the world. my thoughts exactly, I'm one half of a twin, and I don't think anyone can understand my bond with my brother just by putting themselves in my shoe. I once seen a TV program somewhere that some hero just lost his loved one, he carried his love one in his arms, assuming that he's going to bury her. Then a wise sage speak to him out of sympathy "My child..." which the hero cut the sage off by saying "Do you understand? Really?" The Sage stop talking and watches as the hero walks away. No one can fully understood how another felt about death. It's that simple. I used Clannad as an example comparing the connection they made us have with the characters and the character development. Here they didn't make me care for them at all, the oposite actually, I wanted them to have painful death. By them I refer to Jintan and Menma. Also I disagree with they way of living of Tomoya, letting it go only 5 years later, but he had a way much stronger conection with Nagisa than any of the 5 guys with Menma. They were kids, and Kids are really strong specially emotionaly. |
| The story revolves around Menma, you should have realised that when you read the plot/summary. I don't see the problem with it, and Menma in no way spoilt the show because I was expecting it to be focused on her when I read about this. As for wanting everyone to move on, that's also a way the plot is aiming. Menma was trying to figure out what her wish is, in order for her to disappear and for the others (mostly Jinta ofcourse) to move on and start living life more happily. Losing a close friend like that is a trauma, and that sort of pain won't go away in the matter of hours, or days. It could last years, many years. It could possibly last even for the rest of some people's lives. I don't see anything irregular with how everyone still are suffering with the pain of losing their friend. |
| Menma was brought up because of the other characters themselves. Take Poppo for example. The whole Menma thing was still not over because he carries a guilt all throughout the past for not saying a thing about Menma's death. With the exception of Tsurumi, everyone had their part on Menma's deaths which caused them to carry the burden of guilt ofwhat happened. Things willl be bought up sooner or later anyways. They just delivered it in a dramatic way that people will like. |
| MENMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| It's annoying how everyone is so focused on her. I mean, it's like everyone's worlds revolve around one person. |
sauteed_roaches said: if the creators of anohana showed her full death scene. I'd have liked to have seen it too actually. Throughout the series, I thought it'd show. I suppose that's one thing that disappointed me since I think that'd have been a good thing to add. |
| Are you seriously making a graph of how much you like this show? Dude- get a life! |
Nerdo said: Yup I have lots of free time, but even if I didn't have, making a graph doesn't take long. Just type in google make a quick graph or something, it will take about 5 minutes.Are you seriously making a graph of how much you like this show? Dude- get a life! @cecropiamoth What about those who are just atheist? Like me, if they're gone, they're gone, so what? |
| But without Menma this show wouldnt be as good as it should be. If Menma is ghost that can touch things what if you throw paint at her,will they be able to see her? |
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| What..? Sorry. But no. Menma does everything for this show; if you think about it, every single relationship depends on her. Also, really think about it. Sure, Menma had died a long time ago, but if you're best friend when you were little; someone you had played SO much with and knew inside out, had died near you and was partly your fault, how could you EVER forget that guilt. I know that I wouldn't be able to. That guilt must be unbearable, and of course they would think about her a lot. Very reasonable in my opinion. I feel that her death didn't allow all of them to move on and their feelings of that day were almost stuck in 'limbo'. |
Nerdo said: Are you seriously making a graph of how much you like this show? Dude- get a life! That's what I was thinking as well. I just saw this forum and I disagree to those who think that the main character herself ruin this show. Although I get what you're saying, yes. But admit it, you see the whole story and felt an heartwarming impact. You might even shed a tear. But if you do not understand, go. Gtfo. You must have no heart to appreciate this relationship either. Didn't you see it? Almost every inch of your opinion has a constant contradiction. That will definitely maybe prove you wrong. Why don't you just find another anime to watch that can fulfill your expectations? Plus, check your spelling. And oh, one more thing... Being sarcastic doesn't make you a better person. |
| ^ born in 1997. Talk to me when you get more experience in life. So young and you already show lack of empathy, that's sad. |
AnoniMus said: ^ born in 1997. Talk to me when you get more experience in life. So young and you already show lack of empathy, that's sad. Funny, stealing someone else's statement just to defend yourself. "You lack empathy." was exactly for you right? Check the previous page. :) Two things: Absurd & Lame. So you've had enough experience? Why don't you just die then? Haha. But kidding aside, in my opinion, you act like you know everything. That's worse. You don't even know me, sir. |
| I MizuuHime said: t's not stealing, I just thought that saying you have no empathy really fit in you well, considering what you said.AnoniMus said: ^ born in 1997. Talk to me when you get more experience in life. So young and you already show lack of empathy, that's sad. Funny, stealing someone else's statement just to defend yourself. "You lack empathy." was exactly for you right? Check the previous page. :) Two things: Absurd & Lame. So you've had enough experience? Why don't you just die then? Haha. But kidding aside, in my opinion, you act like you know everything. That's worse. You don't even know me, sir. I don't have enough experience, never said that, you never have enough experience, but I clearly have more than you. |
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