Sword Art Online Alternative Gun Gale Online (light novel)
| I enjoyed GGO more than SAO and I'm looking forward to it getting a second season. Mike1nator said: I don't know anything about the manga (if sao even has one) SAO and GGO are both based on Light Novels |
| You answered your own question. It's shit and needs an alternative. Also Alternative GGO is not from the same author and it really shows. |
| Attack on Trash still deserves more hate than SAO, Fairy Tail and MHA combined |
| If you want to reply to my posts, come up with valid arguments instead of ad hominem HIGHER LEVEL THINKERS ONLY |
| this was the best sao season wdym reki kawahara is a bad writer ☠️☠️ |
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| I honestly dont get it either. Instead of making a cool mini story about some side characters in the original SAO we got.. this.. and now even a S2? Anime is weird |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| R u really serious saying that GGO part was the worst? I think GGO arc on S2 was the best part for the whole S thou 😑 |
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| This topic is interesting, it has a variety of funny nonsense hate. That said, GGO is a great arc. It develops its characters well and has good fights. |
MaouHeroFeb 13, 5:46 PM
| Indeed GGO arc is not the best one, however, in my opinion this spin-off is refreshing. It introduces new characters and of course different storyline, but in the same world of SAO (VR games), which doesn’t leave aside the original storyline, which is the mortal game. Also, it shows the consequences in real life of SAO, during and before, of people that were not survivors. |
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| @Mike1nator It sounds like you might be a bit confused? This isn't an alternative version of the first season of GGO or anything like that. It's just a continuation of the story. If you look back at the MAL page for S1, it also has "SAO Alternative" in the title as well. So the alternative is misleading. It just means it's an alternate storyline to SAO using the same world as the backdrop. And yes, GGO is a LN just like SAO. The first season of GGO covered Vol 1 - 3, which was the "2nd Squad Jam" arc. This one will likely cover Vol 4 - 6, which is the 3rd Squad Jam/Betrayers arc. Very light spoilers for the arc/why it's called "betrayer" As for source material, there are currently 13 LN volumes out, so they have a lot of room for adaptation if they want, but I can see why there are longer breaks too. The LN basically follows the same format over and over: Squad Jam + brief side quest/event. Vol 13 was the end of the 5th Squad Jam. There's no announced released date for the next volume, and the releases have been slowing down a lot, so it makes me think they either are just going to end it here or wrap things up in one more vol. |
killbethyJun 12, 6:45 AM
Reply to Comander-07
I honestly dont get it either. Instead of making a cool mini story about some side characters in the original SAO we got.. this.. and now even a S2? Anime is weird
| @Comander-07 Unless it's an original story or extremely popular, most source material doesn't get a complete anime adaptation. The anime serves more as an advertising gimmick for the source material (manga, LN, WN, etc.) and to popularize merch and figurines. I know I'm like you and would like to see more of the side characters fleshed out. But it's GGO that has a huge amount of source material and is popular with figurines, so of course they are going to go for that. |
Mike1nator said: Gun gale was by far the worst season of sao Nah... Alicization > GGO > Ordinal Scale > S1 > S2 |
No, this isn't my signature. |
Reply to killbethy
@Comander-07
Unless it's an original story or extremely popular, most source material doesn't get a complete anime adaptation. The anime serves more as an advertising gimmick for the source material (manga, LN, WN, etc.) and to popularize merch and figurines. I know I'm like you and would like to see more of the side characters fleshed out. But it's GGO that has a huge amount of source material and is popular with figurines, so of course they are going to go for that.
Unless it's an original story or extremely popular, most source material doesn't get a complete anime adaptation. The anime serves more as an advertising gimmick for the source material (manga, LN, WN, etc.) and to popularize merch and figurines. I know I'm like you and would like to see more of the side characters fleshed out. But it's GGO that has a huge amount of source material and is popular with figurines, so of course they are going to go for that.
| @killbethy Im just surprised that while they fumble the progressive movies they also push out this. Is this actually popupar in japan? Because to me it seems like nobody would watch this if not for the SAO setting |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
Reply to Comander-07
@killbethy Im just surprised that while they fumble the progressive movies they also push out this. Is this actually popupar in japan? Because to me it seems like nobody would watch this if not for the SAO setting
| @Comander-07 Surprisingly yes. GGO's light novel sales surpassed 1 million copies all the way back in 2018 after only 3 years of publication. Most of its early volumes landed in the yearly best seller list within the top 10 as did the GGO franchise as a whole. (To put it in perspective, its early volumes outsold other popular LNs released around the same time like KonoSuba, A Certain Magical Index, DanMachi, Assassination Classroom, etc). Its hype definitely declined pretty quickly though, especially when SAO started getting less attention as a whole too, which is probably why the series has been on hold and they are releasing another anime adaptation. Sales for LN series and their merch (figurines, Blu-ray's, and just merch in general tend to be the biggest moneymakers in Japan, and SAO was always hindered in the beginning with Asuna really being the only popular merch character... another reason GGO probably came into existence along with the popularity of the whole girls with guns genre). It's still sold somewhere around 2 million copies at this point, which is a lot by LN standards considering only 40 or so franchises have ever moved more than 5 million... EVER, and most of those have way more total volumes. Consumption in Japan is just different than it is internationally. More people read Lens and manga than watch anime, buy and play the related video games, most of which never get translated internationally; people buy and paint expensive figurines, or even the FMC's gun P-chan replica was a very popular purchase. On the other hand, more people skip anime adaptations or only watch a few episodes. The majority of seasonal anime isn't really that watched, and only a few franchises ever get popular enough to appeal to the general public and not just otaku. Now the industry is in a bit of a funk because more and more authors are publishing their stories as web novels and don't want to be stuck to harsh deadlines and editors micromanaging their creative control over series.. so you generally get web novels that authors only sell the rights to for publication after they are far enough along that they can finish on their own terms, and then editors and begrudging authors make some changes for the LNs so they will still sell. Still, sales have dropped dramatically. A single SAO volume used to sell more than the top 5 - 10 franchises each 6 months combined. This is also why we are getting more and more short adaptations that never have a chance in hell of being fully adapted along with original series, since they tend to be aimed more at the general public (as are the few franchises that do receive full adaptations like TenSura, Cote, JJK, KnY... shows that basically have a big budget from the beginning). |
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@Comander-07
Surprisingly yes. GGO's light novel sales surpassed 1 million copies all the way back in 2018 after only 3 years of publication. Most of its early volumes landed in the yearly best seller list within the top 10 as did the GGO franchise as a whole. (To put it in perspective, its early volumes outsold other popular LNs released around the same time like KonoSuba, A Certain Magical Index, DanMachi, Assassination Classroom, etc). Its hype definitely declined pretty quickly though, especially when SAO started getting less attention as a whole too, which is probably why the series has been on hold and they are releasing another anime adaptation. Sales for LN series and their merch (figurines, Blu-ray's, and just merch in general tend to be the biggest moneymakers in Japan, and SAO was always hindered in the beginning with Asuna really being the only popular merch character... another reason GGO probably came into existence along with the popularity of the whole girls with guns genre). It's still sold somewhere around 2 million copies at this point, which is a lot by LN standards considering only 40 or so franchises have ever moved more than 5 million... EVER, and most of those have way more total volumes.
Consumption in Japan is just different than it is internationally. More people read Lens and manga than watch anime, buy and play the related video games, most of which never get translated internationally; people buy and paint expensive figurines, or even the FMC's gun P-chan replica was a very popular purchase. On the other hand, more people skip anime adaptations or only watch a few episodes. The majority of seasonal anime isn't really that watched, and only a few franchises ever get popular enough to appeal to the general public and not just otaku. Now the industry is in a bit of a funk because more and more authors are publishing their stories as web novels and don't want to be stuck to harsh deadlines and editors micromanaging their creative control over series.. so you generally get web novels that authors only sell the rights to for publication after they are far enough along that they can finish on their own terms, and then editors and begrudging authors make some changes for the LNs so they will still sell. Still, sales have dropped dramatically. A single SAO volume used to sell more than the top 5 - 10 franchises each 6 months combined. This is also why we are getting more and more short adaptations that never have a chance in hell of being fully adapted along with original series, since they tend to be aimed more at the general public (as are the few franchises that do receive full adaptations like TenSura, Cote, JJK, KnY... shows that basically have a big budget from the beginning).
Surprisingly yes. GGO's light novel sales surpassed 1 million copies all the way back in 2018 after only 3 years of publication. Most of its early volumes landed in the yearly best seller list within the top 10 as did the GGO franchise as a whole. (To put it in perspective, its early volumes outsold other popular LNs released around the same time like KonoSuba, A Certain Magical Index, DanMachi, Assassination Classroom, etc). Its hype definitely declined pretty quickly though, especially when SAO started getting less attention as a whole too, which is probably why the series has been on hold and they are releasing another anime adaptation. Sales for LN series and their merch (figurines, Blu-ray's, and just merch in general tend to be the biggest moneymakers in Japan, and SAO was always hindered in the beginning with Asuna really being the only popular merch character... another reason GGO probably came into existence along with the popularity of the whole girls with guns genre). It's still sold somewhere around 2 million copies at this point, which is a lot by LN standards considering only 40 or so franchises have ever moved more than 5 million... EVER, and most of those have way more total volumes.
Consumption in Japan is just different than it is internationally. More people read Lens and manga than watch anime, buy and play the related video games, most of which never get translated internationally; people buy and paint expensive figurines, or even the FMC's gun P-chan replica was a very popular purchase. On the other hand, more people skip anime adaptations or only watch a few episodes. The majority of seasonal anime isn't really that watched, and only a few franchises ever get popular enough to appeal to the general public and not just otaku. Now the industry is in a bit of a funk because more and more authors are publishing their stories as web novels and don't want to be stuck to harsh deadlines and editors micromanaging their creative control over series.. so you generally get web novels that authors only sell the rights to for publication after they are far enough along that they can finish on their own terms, and then editors and begrudging authors make some changes for the LNs so they will still sell. Still, sales have dropped dramatically. A single SAO volume used to sell more than the top 5 - 10 franchises each 6 months combined. This is also why we are getting more and more short adaptations that never have a chance in hell of being fully adapted along with original series, since they tend to be aimed more at the general public (as are the few franchises that do receive full adaptations like TenSura, Cote, JJK, KnY... shows that basically have a big budget from the beginning).
| @killbethy wow Im surprised its that damn popular. Is the LN different from the anime then? I mean vastly better? I just struggle to see why this specifically sells so well. I guess SAO just pushes it up massively. I can see Asuna beeing the main heroine but there is stoll Sinon and Alice. Meanwhile I dont even remember the names of the characters from GGO |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
Reply to Comander-07
@killbethy wow Im surprised its that damn popular. Is the LN different from the anime then? I mean vastly better?
I just struggle to see why this specifically sells so well. I guess SAO just pushes it up massively. I can see Asuna beeing the main heroine but there is stoll Sinon and Alice. Meanwhile I dont even remember the names of the characters from GGO
I just struggle to see why this specifically sells so well. I guess SAO just pushes it up massively. I can see Asuna beeing the main heroine but there is stoll Sinon and Alice. Meanwhile I dont even remember the names of the characters from GGO
| @Comander-07 In some ways it's a totally different story. The characters and motivations are better fleshed out, always representative of who they are in real life and more focus on their struggles as people. Its action scenes primarily serve as a way to develop the characters in a unique way and show how common interests bring people together. The outcome of the battles are secondary to how they help the MC overcome her insecurities and the secondary MC battle her mental trauma and struggles with fame. The game is more a means of bringing two very different, isolated people together and making them better for it. The anime really leaned in hard to the fighting and action scenes, which I'm not surprised with. It's a hell of a lot easier to get people to watch than adapt real life struggles, and series like that rarely get adapted unless producers and studios are pretty sure it will receive a full adaptation from the start. Plus the main purpose is usually the advertisement and brainless fun gets a bigger audience, unfortunately. Also, since a lot of people in Japan read the LNs of a series before the anime, which is mostly reversed internationally, they already know the characters and it's the action scenes they want to see animated most. |
killbethyJul 19, 5:22 AM
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@Comander-07
In some ways it's a totally different story. The characters and motivations are better fleshed out, always representative of who they are in real life and more focus on their struggles as people. Its action scenes primarily serve as a way to develop the characters in a unique way and show how common interests bring people together. The outcome of the battles are secondary to how they help the MC overcome her insecurities and the secondary MC battle her mental trauma and struggles with fame. The game is more a means of bringing two very different, isolated people together and making them better for it. The anime really leaned in hard to the fighting and action scenes, which I'm not surprised with. It's a hell of a lot easier to get people to watch than adapt real life struggles, and series like that rarely get adapted unless producers and studios are pretty sure it will receive a full adaptation from the start. Plus the main purpose is usually the advertisement and brainless fun gets a bigger audience, unfortunately. Also, since a lot of people in Japan read the LNs of a series before the anime, which is mostly reversed internationally, they already know the characters and it's the action scenes they want to see animated most.
In some ways it's a totally different story. The characters and motivations are better fleshed out, always representative of who they are in real life and more focus on their struggles as people. Its action scenes primarily serve as a way to develop the characters in a unique way and show how common interests bring people together. The outcome of the battles are secondary to how they help the MC overcome her insecurities and the secondary MC battle her mental trauma and struggles with fame. The game is more a means of bringing two very different, isolated people together and making them better for it. The anime really leaned in hard to the fighting and action scenes, which I'm not surprised with. It's a hell of a lot easier to get people to watch than adapt real life struggles, and series like that rarely get adapted unless producers and studios are pretty sure it will receive a full adaptation from the start. Plus the main purpose is usually the advertisement and brainless fun gets a bigger audience, unfortunately. Also, since a lot of people in Japan read the LNs of a series before the anime, which is mostly reversed internationally, they already know the characters and it's the action scenes they want to see animated most.
| @killbethy Yeah kinda funny how anime is more popular in the west than in japan, relative to manga and LNs. So it essentially has the same issue as real SAO: They cut character developement and inner monologue for more easy to follow action |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| I think I've watched the vast majority of the currently-extant SAO stuff, and though its been a while I remember SAOA:GGO being pretty okay. Not great, but I certainly enjoyed it more than mainline SAO. The entire reason I've watched as much SAO stuff as I have despite quite consistently disliking it is because I feel like it has at least an interesting enough setup that could be built upon in interesting ways. I always hold on hope that there WILL be something interesting done with it (Alicization did some kind of interesting things despite overall being off-the-wall insane and not in a good way, as an example). SAOA stuff being written by someone other than Kawahara Reki gives me extra hope that it could be better (and SAOA:GGO definitely was!) |
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Mike1nator said:
Gun gale was by far the worst season of sao
Gun gale was by far the worst season of sao
Nah... Alicization > GGO > Ordinal Scale > S1 > S2
| @Zarutaku Based af. I would say the Mother's Rosario arc in S2 was the peak of the first 2 seasons, but the rest of S2 was so heavy that it's still S1 > S2. |
| It was way better than anything that came out after Aincard arc until first half of Alicization. |
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@Quadruple_Oi Hell yeah, it was great! Me and my sister loved watching it together, honestly think it was better than normal sao stuff but memory is a bit hazy on the details since it was a fair bit ago
| @CheeseButt Oo, I can totally see this as a nice anime to watch as siblings. And yeah, I also liked it a lot more. It embraced the fun side of the games and they made our little pink devil a really likeable character with some sweet character growth. |
Mike1nator said: that just drag down sao as a whole I don't think Alicization - War of Underworld needs any help dragging SAO into the mud. |
| I actually enjoyed GGO theme far more than the fantasies setting. And I'm glad there something else more than just Kirito's team in SAO world. |
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