Quanzhi Gaoshou (2018) Episode 3 Discussion

De1ka said:
anywhere i can find a eng sub ep?

dalistylez said:
this episode was fantastic , it delivers everything i love about this show . and i think the new studio or whatever who worked on it did an amazing job , the animation was clean , no reused animations .
solid episode overall 9.5/10 cant wait for more of this show
( BTW the ending of this episode is based on which chapter ? maybe i will give the novel a try )

dalistylez said:
this episode was fantastic , it delivers everything i love about this show . and i think the new studio or whatever who worked on it did an amazing job , the animation was clean , no reused animations .
solid episode overall 9.5/10 cant wait for more of this show
( BTW the ending of this episode is based on which chapter ? maybe i will give the novel a try )

Cyandris said:
I never had any high expectations to begin with, but the least they could have done is explain YX's backstory. We'll probably get it next season? I understand the decision to cut day 3 of Allstars though since it's not really essential, but it was still enjoyable to read. Honestly, they should have included this arc in a whole season and not rushed one of the best arcs in 3 episodes like they did in this ONA.

zwolf12 said:
I have two questions for the readers of the source material that kind of bug me about this and may be explained (better) in the novel:
1. I know that he is unkown because he never did any commercial stuff and won most of his stuff before the game got that popular, but for me it still makes little sense that nobody seems to know his face, especially when he played on this stage before and was chosen to duel there. Did they not have cameras back then?

2. I still don't get how the game works. The problem all MMOs with this kind of eSport idea run into was the fact that PvE items could influence the PvP outcome so that a pro scene never really took hold in any title that didn't go the route of completely seperating PvE and PvP content (like setting items in PvP to one standard for all players or having the option to get all items by PvP or PvE etc.), so how does this game get around these problems, because there is no way a game with these problems could become a popular eSport (even WoW couldn't do it and it was and still is the biggest MMO)?

zorgabluff said:


The Stadium was probably remodeled at some parts - namely the stage. The holograms that they showed off obviously require infrastructure improvements, and we can probably assume that those weren't there originally. YeXiu's comment on the contestant seat helps support this, as that seat probably didn't exist before. Also quite a few pro players seem to know his face, namely HuangShaoTian (SuMuCheng doesn't really count being a childhood friend/being on the same team). He might have also asked to not be publicly shown/had it put into his contract.

As far as I know this game isn't physically possible to create. Ignoring balancing, too many of the game mechanics conflict with each other. There's the whole field of view aspect of the game which pretty much confirms its an FPS (that's why there was the whole thing about being able to continuously attack from your opponents blind spot in season 1, albeit it was noted that it's difficult to actually pull off, but that's basically what he did to DuMing with vanishing step in this ep). If it were like League or WoW where you get like a top down view of your character that wouldn't be possible. I think there are also glances of ChenGuo playing that show it as an FPS (you only see what the character sees, most notably the front half of her cannon).

The mouse also seems to control footwork/movements (z-shake), yet for an FPS that's impossible. But at the same time FPS moves with WASD and has very little to do with APM, yet that's a key thing in this game too. APM also wouldn't have made any sense in TangRou's match with DuMing because all she was doing was stabbing with her spear, which in an FPS would just be aiming/clicking with the mouse.

For the PvP and PvE thing though, its still plausible. Most professional players would have very high accounts + equipment anyways, and if not, a team that deems a player with enough talent could provide an account/equipment for them. I wouldn't be surprised if players who stumble across rare/high class weapons manage to sell them off for real money to pro teams.

They could also theoretically restrict weapon rarity in professional matches, or code it so that a weapon's stats scale with the rarity (e.g. you have base stats, lowest rarity is x1, whereas gold rarity might be x2.5, etc.), and during restricted matches (professional, or selectable via dueling settings) can negate these multipliers. ProTeams/Players buying weapons with real money seems the most viable though - we already saw teams providing tons of pre-leveled accounts to their players for the 10th server (e.g. when TinyHerb was trying to PK YeXiu), or they might even be provided by Glory itself (we saw official provided accounts during this event's duels, which is what TangRou/YeXiu was using against DuMing).

zwolf12 said:

Sorry, but this doesn't help. The stadium might have been changed to accommodate for holo improvents (something that is already done today btw), but the arena is also modeled after the Mercedes Benz Arena in Shanghai, an arena that already hosted high level eSports tournaments today.
Also even before holograms were a thing the players always took center stage, even at the start of eSports. Starcraft for example had extra cameras on the players and on their hands in addition to the game itself, so it is nearly impossible that nobody in a lan setting ever recognized him. In addition it doesn't make sense that he has something in his contract if you consider that his contract was incredible outdated and unprofessional (the reason he had no money and was kicked from his team at the start of the show), which makes it even less likely that he had something about his appearance in there.

On the whole blindspot the enemy you also seem to be behind the times, because the gameplay itself is very close to MMOs like Blade and Soul (which also is very competitive, but went the route that stats on gear and levels don't count in PvP) that has aimed gameplay and combos similar to the air juggling done by some players.

The thing about buying items is that if that is the case an established pro scene could handle it the way you say, but in these kind of games a pro scene is never established because professional player hate nothing more than an uneven playing field. As i said before WoW tried it before (which was and still is the biggest MMO with the largest potential playerbase) and even there the whole thing collapsed because PvP players weren't necessarly interested in grinding PvE content and it was incredible frustrating to get hammered by worse (PvP) players because of PvE gear. In the end WoW tried to fix it by creating special stats that balanced out arena gear which made arena gear the prefered gear and that you could only grind in PvP, but there was still the problem with some trinkets etc from PvE content undermined things.

I followed eSports for years and played on a decent level near the top in multiple games that is the reason why this stuff is nagging me so hard in this show, because for me it is kind of glaring.

Mathwizzy said:

You can think of that each pro team belongs to an Esport company which has two sectors: PvE and PvP sectors. People in the PvE sectors are hired to do all the dungeons, farming, grinding and stuff, while people in the PvP sectors only do PvP in different modes: 1 vs 1, 3 vs 3, 5 vs 5 etc. This way, PvP guys don't have to do the grinding because the whole PvE sector is paid to do the whole PvE thing for them.

The thing about buying items is that if that is the case an established pro scene could handle it the way you say, but in these kind of games a pro scene is never established because professional player hate nothing more than an uneven playing field.

zwolf12 said:
I have two questions for the readers of the source material that kind of bug me about this and may be explained (better) in the novel:
1. I know that he is unkown because he never did any commercial stuff and won most of his stuff before the game got that popular, but for me it still makes little sense that nobody seems to know his face, especially when he played on this stage before and was chosen to duel there. Did they not have cameras back then?

2. I still don't get how the game works. The problem all MMOs with this kind of eSport idea run into was the fact that PvE items could influence the PvP outcome so that a pro scene never really took hold in any title that didn't go the route of completely seperating PvE and PvP content (like setting items in PvP to one standard for all players or having the option to get all items by PvP or PvE etc.), so how does this game get around these problems, because there is no way a game with these problems could become a popular eSport (even WoW couldn't do it and it was and still is the biggest MMO)?

Paul said:
I probably missed something but how was Ye Qiu able to use the dragon skill in the first place? Was the character that he and Tang Rou using just a stock character that scales to their players card?