Denpa Kyoushi (TV) Episode 12 Discussion

danieltortoisee said:
Dear Junichiro Kagami, please go die you vile, detestable arsehole. Say what you will, but the results don't justify his means at all. What disgusts me more is that we're supposed to like him despite the fact that he is a terrible person.

Stark700 said:
Rip Kagami Getting stabbed must of hurt like shit heh?

Narendur said:
What's wrong with Kagami having his own way of solving things? He does stuff his way 'n gets stuff done. If this happened to me, I'd be pissed as well, I might never forgive him, but I'd accept it and be happy about the outcome. That's how life goes, right?

I do think it's a shame that transsexualism isn't mentioned, but it's Japan, so I guess that's understandable...

Looking forward to a new character:)

Moodie said:
seems like there are little children here who never faced their social fears

kagami's way of solving things is how i would do things tbh...grow up kids and face ur fears or u can live miserable watching anime by urself in ur parents house.

Comic_Sans said:
Wow... Kagami just hit the lowest of the low.

He could just have told Luce about not hiding her sexuality, he could just have said to her that everything would be alright, or like, sent her to a psychologist, but OH NO, that would have been WAY TOO EASY! Instead, he had to force her to go meet her fucking BULLIES! Does he even understand how traumatizing it can be for someone who's been harassed before to meet up with their former tormentors or does he have a brain tumour instead of a brain?

Fuck you Kagami, I don't care if the results were good. The outcome could have been much worse

It surprises me that they haven't re-named this show Denpa KyouSHIT yet+1

Couldn't agree more

Narendur said:
What's wrong with Kagami having his own way of solving things? He does stuff his way 'n gets stuff done. If this happened to me, I'd be pissed as well, I might never forgive him, but I'd accept it and be happy about the outcome. That's how life goes, right?

I do think it's a shame that transsexualism isn't mentioned, but it's Japan, so I guess that's understandable...

Looking forward to a new character:)

Moodie said:
seems like there are little children here who never faced their social fears

kagami's way of solving things is how i would do things tbh...grow up kids and face ur fears or u can live miserable watching anime by urself in ur parents house.

Moodie said:
seems like there are little children here who never faced their social fears

kagami's way of solving things is how i would do things tbh...grow up kids and face ur fears or u can live miserable watching anime by urself in ur parents house.

Moodie said:
seems like there are little children here who never faced their social fears

kagami's way of solving things is how i would do things tbh...grow up kids and face ur fears or u can live miserable watching anime by urself in ur parents house.

stone616 said:
Luce lying to all his important friends is just as vile. Luce was a recluse he wasn't gonna go see a psychiatrist and Kagami already tried talking to him about it and Luce wouldn't do the right thing.

He used Luce's friends to lure him out in the open and forced him to confront himself and accept himself. Sometimes people need tough love.

War_lothar said:
That's not tough love, that's a total bullshit.

Comic_Sans said:
''Luce lying to his friends is just as vile'', he was afraid that they wouldn't accept him. You seriously think he wanted to lie to them just for fun?

Comic_Sans said:
close-ins

Moodie said:
its called tough love guys

i raised my brother like this because i dont want him becoming a lil girl

War_lothar said:
This series was mediocre but this episode was just shit. It is not only about that it was really boring as the last two before. This episode praises the worst behaviour that you can have with a abused or traumatized child/teenager. You face him to their bullies without any support, in the middle of a huge party, when he is not even yet adapted to society and he was even a hikikomori for years . In reality it would turn out in a deeper trauma. That's not tough love, that's a total bullshit. You can face your social fears but not like that.

It doesn't matter if it is an anime, you can't just show this as a positive attitude. Only the bullies think that they are going to show you the reality in hard mode. We will force this shy guy to do shameful things or going to partys and now he is going to be outgoing. That's just stupid and it doesn't work out like that. It is the opposite.

At least it gave me a reason to drop the series.

traed said:
I've not heard the term "close-in", usually its "shut-in" but maybe it varies some places.

ReaperCreeper said:
The difference is Onizuka is likeable, he's still a dick but you just can't hate him.

ninjaluc79 said:
#doublestandard

Onizuka once refused to help one of his students being bullied by the thugs in the street.

Everyone loves him.

Kagami brought the bullies to one of his students.

Everyone hates him.

Haters gotta gonna hate.

#doublestandard

ninjaluc79 said:
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ninjaluc79 said:
So it's okay to leave one of your own students alone while he's being beaten up in the street or to toss another off the school rooftop, but it's not okay to help a student cope with his fears by bringing his ex-bullies to him? Never mind that the first guy was an absolute asshole to him at first...

Sometimes, just talking someone out of her social fears just won't cut it, you have to force him out of it. Do you actually think just talking Koutarou out of his fear of social rejection would work? Yes, it does work MOST OF THE TIME, but NOT ALL THE TIME. Extreme cases are there for a reason.

Kagami already did that by visiting him at home and arranging for him to meet his classmates ONLINE (though ofc Koutarou didn't know they are his classmates), and it still didn't work. Trying to talk him out of it again would be utterly pointless.

Let me ask you this. What if someone who knows Koutarou ONLINE AND IN REAL LIFE shows up in that event and tells everyone there who he really is before Koutarou himself could go out on his own? Do you really think his classmates would stick up for him after that? NO, THEY WOULD FEEL BETRAYED AND WILL TURN ON HIM INSTEAD. End result: Class 2-3, say goodbye to Koutarou.

That's where the bullies come in. It's not only a test for Koutarou, but for the bullies, too! Will Koutarou go out on his own, or will the bullies do the job for him? The bullies had A LOT of chances to shame him in front of his classmates and the whole school, but why did they not take ALL OF THEM?

One, because they want to see Koutarou fail in life on his own without their interference just to prove everyone how pathetic they think he is. Two, interfering WILL backfire on them, because Koutarou's classmates would see them bullying someone, and they will NOT stand for it, even if they didn't know Koutarou was Luce.

They still hate him, but at least the now ex-bullies felt kinda happy for him, now that his new classmates finally accepted him for who he is. Whether they really accept him for who he is or for his Luce persona remains to be seen, but really, it doesn't matter anymore now. Koutarou now knows that he and his Luce persona are truly one.

So I ask you. WHAT PART OF KAGAMI'S PLAN DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

People think they know everything but they apparently don't know jack shit about psychology.

ninjaluc79 said:
So it's okay to leave one of your own students alone while he's being beaten up in the street or to toss another off the school rooftop, but it's not okay to help a student cope with his fears by bringing his ex-bullies to him? Never mind that the first guy was an absolute asshole to him at first...

ninjaluc79 said:
Sometimes, just talking someone out of her social fears just won't cut it, you have to force him out of it. Do you actually think just talking Koutarou out of his fear of social rejection would work? Yes, it does work MOST OF THE TIME, but NOT ALL THE TIME. Extreme cases are there for a reason.

Kagami already did that by visiting him at home and arranging for him to meet his classmates ONLINE (though ofc Koutarou didn't know they are his classmates), and it still didn't work. Trying to talk him out of it again would be utterly pointless.

ninjaluc79 said:
Let me ask you this. What if someone who knows Koutarou ONLINE AND IN REAL LIFE shows up in that event and tells everyone there who he really is before Koutarou himself could go out on his own? Do you really think his classmates would stick up for him after that? NO, THEY WOULD FEEL BETRAYED AND WILL TURN ON HIM INSTEAD. End result: Class 2-3, say goodbye to Koutarou.

ninjaluc79 said:
That's where the bullies come in. It's not only a test for Koutarou, but for the bullies, too! Will Koutarou go out on his own, or will the bullies do the job for him? The bullies had A LOT of chances to shame him in front of his classmates and the whole school, but why did they not take ALL OF THEM?

ninjaluc79 said:
One, because they want to see Koutarou fail in life on his own without their interference just to prove everyone how pathetic they think he is. Two, interfering WILL backfire on them, because Koutarou's classmates would see them bullying someone, and they will NOT stand for it, even if they didn't know Koutarou was Luce.

ninjaluc79 said:
They still hate him, but at least the now ex-bullies felt kinda happy for him, now that his new classmates finally accepted him for who he is. Whether they really accept him for who he is or for his Luce persona remains to be seen, but really, it doesn't matter anymore now. Koutarou now knows that he and his Luce persona are truly one.

ninjaluc79 said:
So I ask you. WHAT PART OF KAGAMI'S PLAN DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

ninjaluc79 said:
People think they know everything but they apparently don't know jack shit about psychology.

Zarial said:
For all the people who fully support Kagami's method: Don't be so naive to think that Kagami's method would even work in the slightest in the real world. In reality people and society are much more malicious because of their own insecurities.

Shangetsu said:
So many butthurt teenagers that don't know how the real world work, am I on tumblr?

Shangetsu said:
The problem here is that Koutaro's past was... nothing traumatizing. Sorry to break it all to you guys but Koutaro's problem was that he couldn't accept himself and was looking for the approval of others to justify himself.
Everyone need to realize at some point that not everyone will like you and/or agree with your choice, having people think you're gross is not a reason to not live your life the way you want to.

Shangetsu said:
If left alone then Koutaro would probably have stayed a truant and even if he managed to come to school he would still be living in fear and he would keep his interaction with people to the minimum. The mere thought of someone calling him gross would be enough for him to stay at home.

Shangetsu said:
What Kagami did was to make Koutaro realize the fact that even if some people do not like him, others do. Even if some people think he's gross, other think he's nice and gentle. He made him realize that it's okay to live his life like he want and not to hide his very self living in fear that anyone ever come close to it.
Kagami is a genius but he's not a god, Koutaro's problem was serious and he's the kind of man that believe that the end justify the means.