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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Mana was the only one who got the upgrade. She also got all 3 of the power-up items. It also took 49 episodes to show Alice's school uniform. The Mana show is over. Let's bury it and never speak of it again. Here's to a new, hopefully pleasedeargodbebetter Precure season that starts next week. *drinks a whole bottle of vodka to try to erase the memory of Mana* |
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| Great final episode; Mana was awesome! :D Will be missed. </3 |
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ihateeveryone said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Mana was the only one who got the upgrade. She also got all 3 of the power-up items. It also took 49 episodes to show Alice's school uniform. The Mana show is over. Let's bury it and never speak of it again. Here's to a new, hopefully pleasedeargodbebetter Precure season that starts next week. *drinks a whole bottle of vodka to try to erase the memory of Mana* I was kind of disappointed about Mana only getting the upgrade too. I have to agree on this is the worst finale. |
MitsukiHimekaJan 26, 2014 9:19 AM
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| Well well. I've seen all the season so far. And I think this one was the worse one... I guess that Saint Seiya vibe from the last episode ( Burn their lives ? Power of the big bang ? ) was okay... But making this season after the awesome Smile Precure was a bad move. Hopefully starting next week we'll be able to forget the past year. |
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| I am lazy so just copy this :P Was it worst season of Precure? Nope - it was bad but still better than Smile and Suite (first one had one redeeming factor of being cute from time to time, while second had none...ok ending was nice). Probably won't rewatch it again and it will drift into obscurity. To sum it up - just like Smile was horrible reuse of Yes5, DDP did the same with Fresh, unfortunatelly mainly in bringing good characters/plot points that are forgotten. In the end 5/10 for good ED, some nice characters here and there. Would be much better if they tone down Mana. |
| The ending was quite good and nice powerup of Cure heart :) |
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| This was the worst fucking thing. I'm sorry for the swears, but this episode was so bad it deserves it. Remember how in the post for the previous ep I said Mana would fucking talk the last villain to death? She did it. She fucking talked Proto-Selfish to death. What the FUCK. This is the worst finale of all seasons by a fucking mile. It was really that fucking bad. So to summarize: Only Mana gets the upgrade, in the most generic and bland method Toei knows. At least Super Saiyan God took a good chunk of the movie to figure how to pull and it involved a superfetus. Aside from Makoto suddenly becoming the Gold Saint of Capricorn and little else the other girls did nothing except make Mana even more awesome. Mana's counter-argument of "If no one else is around you can't be selfish" is dumb because getting rid of everyone so everything is yours and you can do whatever IS SELFISH. Marie Ange didn't come back because fuck Jonathan. Meanwhile no villain died, not even fucking Proto-Selfish since he's also Zeromus. It took until the last fucking episode to see Arisu's uniform, showing how Toei gives two shits about people who aren't Mana. Also Mana now does the work of the entire fucking planet it seems. This is shit. It's pure and unadulterated shit. Mana isn't just favored, she's the only character that matters. The plot didn't know what to do with itself several times and had tons of filler plot episodes in an attempt to look better. A lot of plot points were left unresolved or were solved poorly. There were a million attacks that barely got used because of Combination Attack spam. Characters leave and come back at the whim of the writers. The morals the show tries to teach are countered by the show itself several times. The battles were lame because of said Combination Attack spam. There is little redeemable about this show other than the non-Mana Cures and Regina being likable. Urgh. EDIT: minimiau said: I want to know how the heart of cure heart got purified by itself without any attack?? The didn't explain it. Oh, right, that too! That made no sense unless Toei wants us to think Mana is a pure being that cannot be corrupted, and I cannot even begin to say how awful that is. Mana is REALLY Jesus. And then she says she is selfish sometimes. Fuck. You. We just saw your heart literally cure itself from selfish-izing. Fuck you and your bullshit, Mana. You are selfish, yes. You are selfish because you stole the whole fucking show for yourself. NOT AN EDIT: Anyway, since I've spent months arguing how bad this show is, I'll try to post shortly a rather lengthy topic on how to fix this drivel. It can be done! IS AN EDIT: There we go! |
ZettaiRyouikiJan 26, 2014 9:05 AM
| I want to know how the heart of cure heart got purified by itself without any attack?? The didn't explain it. About the final episode all was anticlimactic. Other seasons, the pre cure have more epic battles and more epic moments that have a power up pre cures. Like for example, in fresh. In overall, I ut thus show a 7 out of 10. |
| l think the real winner of the show is Joe. He went from having 1 girlfriend to having three YOUNGER girlfriends. One of which is much, MUCH younger. Good for him. He also became president of the world. A hardworking good looking guy like him really deserved it. |
leetshoeJan 26, 2014 7:34 AM
leetshoe said: l think the real winner of the show is Joe. He went from having 1 girlfriend to having three YOUNGER girlfriends. One of which is much, MUCH younger. Good for him. He also became president of the world. A hardworking good looking guy like him really deserved it. No...... |
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Dalek-baka said: I am lazy so just copy this :P Was it worst season of Precure? Nope - it was bad but still better than Smile and Suite (first one had one redeeming factor of being cute from time to time, while second had none...ok ending was nice). Suite had bitchin' transformation sequences and music, great character development for Hibiki and Kanade's relationship, a strong opening episode and some pretty amazing attacks too. |
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ihateeveryone said: Their relationship broke because they were waiting at different entrances and didn't find time to talk/explain it? Or that at least at the start main idea was that Hibiki does something irritating to Kanade but than they had to unite in order to fight with bad guys. They had good idea to go for them being in sync in order to attack but it seemed they forgot about it along the road. There is something wrong with series if most touching series involve two cats.Suite had bitchin' transformation sequences and music, great character development for Hibiki and Kanade's relationship, a strong opening episode and some pretty amazing attacks too. Music was good but than it was series about music so it would be weird for them to screw this part up. As for transformation: nope - give me simple and quick transformation from first two series over this overcomplicated stuff. But I've found another good thing about it: Hummy, she was cool. |
| Mana solos the big bad, they get to keep their powers, nobody is separated, and they randomly go off and fight crime and save the world from falling satellites. BEST PRECURE ENDING EVER!!!! |
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RLinksoul said: Everyone's pretty much said everything I could ever say or think about this finale except one thing. Ira and Mamo. Where did they come from? What's their story for why they started serving King Selfish? Weird people with bat wings attached to their heads just happen to exist because? And one of them turns into a mouse with sunglasses... I thought they might get purified and turn out to be normal humans or mascots as per Precure tradition but no. No explanation. I have to say I was confused at the Jikochuu Trio too. Especially on why the hell Bel turned into a mouse. |
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Dalek-baka said: ihateeveryone said: Their relationship broke because they were waiting at different entrances and didn't find time to talk/explain it? Or that at least at the start main idea was that Hibiki does something irritating to Kanade but than they had to unite in order to fight with bad guys. They had good idea to go for them being in sync in order to attack but it seemed they forgot about it along the road. There is something wrong with series if most touching series involve two cats.Suite had bitchin' transformation sequences and music, great character development for Hibiki and Kanade's relationship, a strong opening episode and some pretty amazing attacks too. Music was good but than it was series about music so it would be weird for them to screw this part up. As for transformation: nope - give me simple and quick transformation from first two series over this overcomplicated stuff. But I've found another good thing about it: Hummy, she was cool. Yeah, the reason it broke was silly, but I'm talking about their development into becoming friends and trusting each other more and more was outstanding. You could literally see Hibiki becoming more trusting of Kanade and not falling for the villains tricks that involved Kanade as the episodes passed. Eventually the two were able to grow and become in sync with each other. It took time and they had bickering along the way, their relationship wasn't perfect, but development took place between the two of them and their friendship. Well just because it'd be weird if they screwed it up doesn't mean you should discredit their effort put into it. Suite actually, imo, put the most effort into its theme than any other season. Music based Cure names, attacks, villains, big bad, conflict, and kingdom; they stayed truly consistent with their overall theme and that's not something Precure does all too often. The transformation from the first two series wasn't all that quick, but your discontent with its length is understandable. But the overall high quality and dynamics in the transformation is really something that should be credited since they put a lot of time in the backgrounds, the colors, and well.. the entire thing in general. I would've mentioned Hummy too but her being great is a subjective thing, though I agree she was a big plus in the season. |
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| I disagree with a lot of what people here have said. This season was "Fine" in my book 6/10. I still do not understand Mana hate. I actually enjoyed her character quite a bit. Sure quite a bit of the characters were not developed and plot holes we're everywhere but its a fine series. it was entertaining at least, bringing me a smile or a laugh each episode. I've seen quite a bit of Pretty Cure now and have come to the conclusion that Pretty Cure rarely has substance. Sometimes we get lucky and we good ones like Heartcatch or Fresh but then we get other like this and Smile. Not all of the series are gonna be this grandiose show where everything's perfect. The show is meant for children. The writers aren't trying to making this amazing deep plot that will entertain us older folks. They are trying to make a story that is easy for kids to follow because in the end kids looks up to these pretty cure. In the end dokidoki accomplished what it was supposed to do. Not trying to defend dokidoki cuz I know that there are giant plot holes everywhere and barely any character development (I'm giving it a 6/10 myself) but some people are just taking this anime way too seriously. As for my opinions on this episode, zeromus's love love love in the end was just too much, laughed pretty hard at that cheese. Mega Evolution of Mana was pretty nice. I like how they added in the end there that "Any girl can become a Pretty Cure and will have enough power equal to the big bang." very uplifting quote. I was one of those rare people who hated Regina. So I'm glad I wont be seeing her again (unless she is in that movie). The whole trump kingdom trading with the real world threw me off guard. Well I'm excited for Happiness Charge Pretty Cure, it will be nice to have a change and new characters. Even though we'll all see Mana and the gang sometime in Happiness Charge. :D ----> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-01-17/33-magical-girls-star-in-weekly-happinesscharge-precure-shorts Here's to a new year and the end of another Pretty Cure series! |
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| I really hate to say this, but I'm quite disappointed with this finale. It highlighted way too much on the fact that Mana or should I say Cure Heart is the main lead and that all the other Precures are just backup. The Precure franchise completely forgot about equal opportunity for each Precure, I would have been much more satisfied if the other Cures were given an upgrade as well. Lastly, the Selfish Trio... wtf man? Absolutely nothing was explained for them. There was no back story or anything at all. I mean at least Suite Precure actually gave their trio a friggin back story! I mean really did the selfish trio just went off and left for another ten thousand years! What the hell man, I wanted them to join society as normal people! I wanted to see Ira x Rikka! |
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ZettaiRyouiki said: This was the worst fucking thing. I'm sorry for the swears, but this episode was so bad it deserves it. Remember how in the post for the previous ep I said Mana would fucking talk the last villain to death? She did it. She fucking talked Proto-Selfish to death. What the FUCK. This is the worst finale of all seasons by a fucking mile. It was really that fucking bad. So to summarize: Only Mana gets the upgrade, in the most generic and bland method Toei knows. At least Super Saiyan God took a good chunk of the movie to figure how to pull and it involved a superfetus. Aside from Makoto suddenly becoming the Gold Saint of Capricorn and little else the other girls did nothing except make Mana even more awesome. Mana's counter-argument of "If no one else is around you can't be selfish" is dumb because getting rid of everyone so everything is yours and you can do whatever IS SELFISH. Marie Ange didn't come back because fuck Jonathan. Meanwhile no villain died, not even fucking Proto-Selfish since he's also Zeromus. It took until the last fucking episode to see Arisu's uniform, showing how Toei gives two shits about people who aren't Mana. Also Mana now does the work of the entire fucking planet it seems. This is shit. It's pure and unadulterated shit. Mana isn't just favored, she's the only character that matters. The plot didn't know what to do with itself several times and had tons of filler plot episodes in an attempt to look better. A lot of plot points were left unresolved or were solved poorly. There were a million attacks that barely got used because of Combination Attack spam. Characters leave and come back at the whim of the writers. The morals the show tries to teach are countered by the show itself several times. The battles were lame because of said Combination Attack spam. There is little redeemable about this show other than the non-Mana Cures and Regina being likable. Urgh. EDIT: minimiau said: I want to know how the heart of cure heart got purified by itself without any attack?? The didn't explain it. Oh, right, that too! That made no sense unless Toei wants us to think Mana is a pure being that cannot be corrupted, and I cannot even begin to say how awful that is. Mana is REALLY Jesus. And then she says she is selfish sometimes. Fuck. You. We just saw your heart literally cure itself from selfish-izing. Fuck you and your bullshit, Mana. You are selfish, yes. You are selfish because you stole the whole fucking show for yourself. NOT AN EDIT: Anyway, since I've spent months arguing how bad this show is, I'll try to post shortly a rather lengthy topic on how to fix this drivel. It can be done! IS AN EDIT: There we go! I agree with everything this guy says, I clap to you sir! |
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AiCon said: My first Precure.... My last Precure.... Oh God did this show suck - and Mana is really annoying too! Just because DokiDoki was bad that doesn't mean you need to give up on the franchise. You could try Heartcatch or Splash Star, IMO they're the best at this "balanced screentime" thing. Or just go watch Ojamajo Doremi. |
AiCon said: My first Precure.... My last Precure.... Oh God did this show suck - and Mana is really annoying too! Starting with Dokidoki, you poor soul. Try Heartcatch or Fresh for a start. Anyway, I agree with most people here. 4-5/10, probably the worst Precure season. Mana was one of most obvious Mary Sues in recent anime history. |
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| With this my Precure marathon is finally over! Kind of a mess mash ending for me. Still think Suite and Smile were better than this. Suite had the kick ass music and Smile introduced everyone at the start. Don't like the mid season cure appearances. The OP had a catchy tune, but not as awesome as Max Heart. Like the 2nd ed song. Overall it was enjoyable and kept me entertained, so I give it an 8/10. But my favorite series so far is still Fresh. |
| And thus Doki Doki ends. Sadly, they didn't keep up with the first episodes of finale and it pretty much boiled to Mana shouting silly things, being OP without a good reason and heroic sacrifices lacking any substance (safe for Alice, because that girl shows that when she has the spotlight, she uses it to the friggin' maximum). Morals were sloppy, while the ending was so goddamn sugary, cutesy and cheesy it hurt (guys, I don't believe Jonathan is fine with losing his sweetheart just like that). Also cutting corners. It's the last episode, you gotta make that stuff sparkle and fluid! Lol, nope, quality. Mana's knee is more important than girls faces in group shots. Overally it had its moments: humour, Alice + Sebastian and their antics, Reina, rare episodes when Rikka has something to say and it was gloriously logical, Aguri's grandma, MASCOTS (not annoying mascots, incredible!) and Bel in his best moments, when creators weren't shifting him from Biggest Jerk On The Earth (?!) to Pathethic Loser on a whim. 6/10 from me. Was toying with the idea of 7 (because I had mucho fun watching it), then lowering it when I watch other seasons but bland ending killed that thought. |
CiaraJan 27, 2014 3:41 AM
AiCon said: My first Precure.... My last Precure.... Oh God did this show suck - and Mana is really annoying too! Don't let it be your last. Just go watch any other season (that isn't Max Heart or GoGo, since they're sequels, and personally I don't recommend Futari wa as a starter either..) and you'll find enjoyment in them. Smile Precure - Very good with its characters and with having a lot of general fun, but weaker on the plot-front (though it doesnt take itself too seriously so I can excuse it to an extent) Suite Precure - Has some great character development, a consistent storyline and theme and equal screentime for characters. Succeeds in just about every department Heartcatch - Features some darker things than the other seasons, has a lot of fun and quirky moments in it and a pretty engaging plotline and a few engaging characters as well Fresh - Worth watching for the Setsuna arc alone, which is extremely well done and well executed. Has the strongest plot and strongest finale out of all the seasons and manages to be pretty dark when it has to be as well Yes 5 - Sort of like Smile from what I've seen of it, though the characters and their interactions are a bit stronger Futari wa - A decent series, albeit kind of bland and not really a good starter for Precure imo. I haven't seen Splash Star so I can't judge it. |
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| Yep. This was about the worst season of precure and one of the worst mahou shoujo I've ever seen next to Madoka and Mahou Shoujo Tai. Not that this one was particularly rage inducing, but it did make me think did this actually have a human being writing the script. Really, there are shows that have "bad" plots, which isn't really that big of a deal and then there are stuff like DokiDoki where you can see no one even cared to begin with. I think it is time to watch a different franchise unless by some miracle the 1st episode of Happiness Charge manages to show a LOT of potential. |
ihateeveryone said: Suite Precure - Has some great character development, a consistent storyline and theme and equal screentime for characters. Succeeds in just about every department. Huh, no. Suite is the Hibiki show, big time. It's not as bad as DokiDoki but nothing is. Try checking any episode from 35 onwards. |
mecharobot said: Yep. This was about the worst season of precure and one of the worst mahou shoujo I've ever seen next to Madoka and Mahou Shoujo Tai. Stopped reading right there. Your credibility flew right out the window by claiming that two of the most critically praised mahou shoujo anime ever are bad. |
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ZettaiRyouiki said: ihateeveryone said: Suite Precure - Has some great character development, a consistent storyline and theme and equal screentime for characters. Succeeds in just about every department. Huh, no. Suite is the Hibiki show, big time. It's not as bad as DokiDoki but nothing is. Try checking any episode from 35 onwards. Hm, I thought it did a pretty good job (for the most part) in balancing out the characters, then again I wasn't very fond of Kanade at all so it could be my bias showing |
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ihateeveryone said: Hm, I thought it did a pretty good job (for the most part) in balancing out the characters, then again I wasn't very fond of Kanade at all so it could be my bias showing Suite was sorta decent at balance early on, leaving aside the ridiculous episode that is entirely about Kanade yet randomly hands Hibiki an upgrade because if the Pink Cure isn't always first the universe will implode, but after the halfway count or so Hibiki started getting more focus, more speeches, more episodes, the works. As said, once episode 35 hits in she's the one coming with all the plans despite the show establishing she's dumb and the other Cures are smart, she's giving all the speeches, she has to be played up whenever possible and in the final battle Noise tries TWICE to suck her and TWICE she gets bailed out yet he never tries that with the others, not to mention SHE is the only one to reach him. Meanwhile Kanade ends forever second banana, Beat soon becomes a shadow and Muse ends underplayed to the point the Suite movie gives her more focus than the show does after she joins, most notably her debut has her performing like crap and giving her the kill out of pity, plus her sadness because her dad is in a coma is solved in like a minute, of course because Hibiki cheered her up, who else. She might not be as bad as Mana, but I'd be damned if the show doesn't want to make clear first is Hibiki and then the rest. |
ihateeveryone said: Ok... thing is (for me) that it would be perfect development if they didn't knew each other. It's kind of hard for me to imagine why they are together to begin with. Yes had something similar with Rin and Nozomi - one is happy-go-lucky idiot with reality warper, while second is most normal and down to earth girl in a group. But they work perfectly simply because poor Rin, despite her reason is one person who can understand how Nozomi's mind works. I don't remember something similar in Suite (except fact that Hibiki liked to eat sweets).Yeah, the reason it broke was silly, but I'm talking about their development into becoming friends and trusting each other more and more was outstanding. You could literally see Hibiki becoming more trusting of Kanade and not falling for the villains tricks that involved Kanade as the episodes passed. Eventually the two were able to grow and become in sync with each other. It took time and they had bickering along the way, their relationship wasn't perfect, but development took place between the two of them and their friendship. Girls not knowing each other is what I like, to see how relationship develops (Futari wa, HeartCatch) or not (Splash Star - SakiMai Combo was perfect match to begin with). Or they become part of Mana's harem :P ihateeveryone said: All Precure past HeartCatch do this (flowers, music, tales, cards I think) - I can praise them for not forgetting about it. Some ideas were cool and some bad (that "singing trio" which is funny as individually they are good). But in the end I like something more realistic at least in case of city they live in.Well just because it'd be weird if they screwed it up doesn't mean you should discredit their effort put into it. Suite actually, imo, put the most effort into its theme than any other season. Music based Cure names, attacks, villains, big bad, conflict, and kingdom; they stayed truly consistent with their overall theme and that's not something Precure does all too often. At least they didn't do what Smile did and switch its theme on and off but there weren't as many episodes of Yes to copy it :P or DDP where they forgot it about in favor of Mana being awesome. ihateeveryone said: Hummy is objectively great, sure I can't watch Evangelion now but she is very good. It's not awesomeness of Tarte or development like Pollun but I don't mind. At least she had a personality.The transformation from the first two series wasn't all that quick, but your discontent with its length is understandable. But the overall high quality and dynamics in the transformation is really something that should be credited since they put a lot of time in the backgrounds, the colors, and well.. the entire thing in general. I would've mentioned Hummy too but her being great is a subjective thing, though I agree she was a big plus in the season. So to rephrase myself: Suite was a series which had a lot of good ideas but they weren't used to their full extent which is dissapointing. But at least they've tried to be original, unile Smile (aka let's take scenarios from Yes5 and do them again... while not adding one thing that made most of them work: leader). |
Dalek-bakaJan 27, 2014 4:16 PM
Dalek-baka said: Ok... thing is (for me) that it would be perfect development if they didn't knew each other. It's kind of hard for me to imagine why they are together to begin with. Yes had something similar with Rin and Nozomi - one is happy-go-lucky idiot with reality warper, while second is most normal and down to earth girl in a group. But they work perfectly simply because poor Rin, despite her reason is one person who can understand how Nozomi's mind works. I don't remember something similar in Suite (except fact that Hibiki liked to eat sweets). Girls not knowing each other is what I like, to see how relationship develops (Futari wa, HeartCatch) or not (Splash Star - SakiMai Combo was perfect match to begin with). Or they become part of Mana's harem :P This. The thing about Hibiki and Kanade, well, remember how the original series and Splash Star had that episode early on where Nagisa and Honoka/Saki and Mai had a big fight for some reason and later they made up? The first quarter of Suite feels like that episode over and over. Then they almost never fight. It's just weird. Dalek-baka said: All Precure past HeartCatch do this (flowers, music, tales, cards I think) - I can praise them for not forgetting about it. Some ideas were cool and some bad (that "singing trio" which is funny as individually they are good). But in the end I like something more realistic at least in case of city they live in. At least they didn't do what Smile did and switch its theme on and off but there weren't as many episodes of Yes to copy it :P or DDP where they forgot it about in favor of Mana being awesome. Weird thing is that GoGo had a couple episodes set on fairytales they could've ripped off for Smile. Nope, the one group of eps that would've made sense to reuse are ignored yet the villain that caused them gets her toadstool head replaced by a old woman hood and called a new character. Toei! Well, they did have ONE fairytale episode, but it made the girliest one the PRINCE while the two tomboyish ones were rats. Sad when the movie is the only time where the theme of the series is put to good use. Dalek-baka said: Hummy is objectively great, sure I can't watch Evangelion now but she is very good. It's not awesomeness of Tarte or development like Pollun but I don't mind. At least she had a personality. No offense as I'm honestly curious: Why do you guys like Hummy so much? She seems fairly beloved in general, which I don't get since she came as the token clumsy useless pet that gives the girls lots of trouble with her incompetence. Okay, so Candy is still a lot worse for that, but Tart or DB or even Coco and Nuts she is not. |
ZettaiRyouiki said: I wouldn't call that episode from Splash Star big fight, it was more Saki and Minori relationship with Mai as an addition. This. The thing about Hibiki and Kanade, well, remember how the original series and Splash Star had that episode early on where Nagisa and Honoka/Saki and Mai had a big fight for some reason and later they made up? The first quarter of Suite feels like that episode over and over. Then they almost never fight. It's just weird. On the other side Futari wa... had it best done in entire franchise I think - so they could move from pretending to be friends to being ones (when I rewatched it felt really weird when they were using surnames). I hope they will do something like this again. But in the end I would say that skipping that friendship part and entrance scene would make Suite way better (basically two elements from first episode). BTW did they argue in DokiDoki? I seriously don't remember. ZettaiRyouiki said: Oh yeah "and now we set up a theme of series, which we will forgot later" school of writing - DokiDoki also went there. Point for Suite in this area.Weird thing is that GoGo had a couple episodes set on fairytales they could've ripped off for Smile. Nope, the one group of eps that would've made sense to reuse are ignored yet the villain that caused them gets her toadstool head replaced by a old woman hood and called a new character. Toei! Well, they did have ONE fairytale episode, but it made the girliest one the PRINCE while the two tomboyish ones were rats. Sad when the movie is the only time where the theme of the series is put to good use. But they really had only one fairytale episode? - I remember Cinderella and wasn't there something about them traveling to whatever that kingdom was called. Still with Miyuki as leader I'm not sure how it would work. ZettaiRyouiki said: I do like Pollun also :D that is way weirder IMO. No offense as I'm honestly curious: Why do you guys like Hummy so much? She seems fairly beloved in general, which I don't get since she came as the token clumsy useless pet that gives the girls lots of trouble with her incompetence. Okay, so Candy is still a lot worse for that, but Tart or DB or even Coco and Nuts she is not. Fact that she is clumsy, cute and useless helps - she isn't also irritating for most of the time. She had those funny moments of "blackmailing" Kanade or just talking with bad guys, I liked it. Also Siren Arc, it's not the best "bad character changes sides" scenario - yet scenes when all that drama flies around, she being her naïve self was very nice to see. |
Dalek-bakaJan 28, 2014 9:22 AM
| That ending.....the main problemI had with the ending is the fact that all this time I thought the precure were supposed to keep their powers secret, but I know they get their identities spoiled...but seriously...them being basically the powerpuff girls?? REALLY?! Also I enjoyed this show for the magical girlpart but now I am realizing how bad of the Mana showit was |
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zansabarshadow said: I disagree with a lot of what people here have said. This season was "Fine" in my book 6/10. I still do not understand Mana hate. I actually enjoyed her character quite a bit. Sure quite a bit of the characters were not developed and plot holes we're everywhere but its a fine series. it was entertaining at least, bringing me a smile or a laugh each episode. Totally agree with you. I don't understand the Mana hate either. I personally like this whole season better than the second half of Smile. Smile started of great but fell down hard for me to enjoy it later on whereas I didn't feel like that at all throughout this series. AiCon said: My first Precure.... My last Precure.... Oh God did this show suck - and Mana is really annoying too! You chose the wrong series to start with lol. In my opinion the best start to the Precure franchise is Smile Precure, even though the second half blows. It's just addicting to watch the early parts. |
| Seeing Mana kick ass in her upgraded form was entertaining. Sadly, the main trouble I have with the series is with the boring characters. Through 49 episodes, I still don't know if I like any of the main characters (their human form and their Precure form too). I find them all unlikable but Aguri was propably the character I was curious about most. Anyway, I enjoyed how the theme of selfishness was rooted in to the show and how the Cures were linked to a suit of cards. Loved the OP and the first ED, that was impressively magical and catchy. Hated OP2 sadly. 4/10. Seems like DokiDoki's art style was more mature than the previous Smile!, which didn't bode well for me. I'm looking forward to Happiness Charge, at least. |
Day2Dream said: You chose the wrong series to start with lol. In my opinion the best start to the Precure franchise is Smile Precure, even though the second half blows. It's just addicting to watch the early parts. Smile isn't much like the previous entries tho, with more comedy and less action, so it might be a problem for a different reason. |
ZettaiRyouiki said: Day2Dream said: You chose the wrong series to start with lol. In my opinion the best start to the Precure franchise is Smile Precure, even though the second half blows. It's just addicting to watch the early parts. Smile isn't much like the previous entries tho, with more comedy and less action, so it might be a problem for a different reason. Yeah but at least you're entertained plus it's fairly recent so the animation isn't too bad either. Heartcatch's animation threw me off so I didn't really get into it till later on as it progressed. |
Day2Dream said: Yeah but at least you're entertained plus it's fairly recent so the animation isn't too bad either. Heartcatch's animation threw me off so I didn't really get into it till later on as it progressed. Heartcatch is only 2 years older than Smile so the animation is pretty much the same. If anything the problem would be the art style, at least from what I've seen. |
| In terms of overall execution, Doki Doki is just not as stable as the previous series. The design wasn't that fantastic either to begin with. This ending episode was OK. Overall, I will only give this series a 5. I agree that this isn't good for a starting series. Choose anything other than this or the sequels. Leave Heartcatch to the very last (or if everything else fails) because this is the true gem of Precure. Even if people disagree about Heartcatch being good, the money speaks louder than words - Heartcatch made the most amount of money in the entire franchise from toy sales. Watching Heartcatch makes everything else pale in comparison in just about every department (except for maybe the art style, which is very subjective to personal tastes). |
sentience said: Even if people disagree about Heartcatch being good, the money speaks louder than words - Heartcatch made the most amount of money in the entire franchise from toy sales. Watching Heartcatch makes everything else pale in comparison in just about every department (except for maybe the art style, which is very subjective to personal tastes). How much money it makes is not a contender for a shows' quality, just saying. And Heartcatch had a lot of issues. This post sums it up a bit, though I don't think it's nearly as bad as the original author claims it to be. |
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| I don't know why people dislike it so much. I enjoyed it more than Suite. It got some bad points but the same apply the previous series as far I concern. Precure always reuse certain stuff every seasons. 6/10 because of Regina |
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KaiserNazrin said: I don't know why people dislike it so much. I enjoyed it more than Suite. It got some bad points but the same apply the previous series as far I concern. Precure always reuse certain stuff every seasons. As far Mana Sue goes, not like this. Not like this. |
AiCon said: Precure is just as legendary or almost as good as Sailor Moon from the 90's. As an old fart from way back from the 90s who loves Sailor Moon, I can recommend Heartcatch Precure as your first Precure series. Out of all of them, I think it's the best in terms of characters, development and story. Of course it gets silly at times but overall doesn't dumb things down or make it too cutey-cutey with lame comedic villains and crap or crap out nonsense just to churn out the next episode. It's a fun ride and it makes up on some aspects when it screws up badly in others. Just my two cents, I'm pretty sure other recommendations (that aren't DokiDoki or Fresh but the second one is mostly my personal preference not matching) but definitely give it a try. |
| It wasn't that bad of an ending. Well, at least this is over. |
| That one part when Mana was fighting Proto Selfish was really cool. Where she gracefully bends backward and it kind of close up-slow motions her bending her knee before kicking him into fucking outer space. Still, this was a huge chore to get through. I never want to hear the name Mana again. |
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