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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- awesome battle episode 5/5 9/10 |
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| DAMN!! GREAT EPISODE!! but i felt sad when i saw gisey crying. (╥_╥) |
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| Silvius lives up with Silvana's reputation of being a ship to be feared of. It was awesome when they used those rapid firing cannons just like the Silvana's when they charged into the mountain. Tatiana really showed what she can do as the captain of Anatoray's flagship and loved the part when she said about old-timers having more experience. (1st season FTW, though I wonder what Alex Row would do xDD) Glacies having jet vanships gets me curious about how advance they are just like the Guild in the first season. (the squadron leader looks cute and kinda reminds me of Tatiana as a vanship pilot) |
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| I feel sorry for Gisey :( |
| Awesome episode, loved all of it except for the Fam bits. Lol at Alister, "bad news everyone, Tatiana is smiling." The Glacies characters look promising too. Once again though, wherever Fam gets involved it starts getting stupid. The plot always seems so clumsily rigged to let her come out on top. Is it really that easy to sink a huge battleship? I don't remember that weakness being mentioned before. It was like the vanship race from a couple of episodes back, where somehow Fam is the only one who thinks of dumping fuel towards the end of the race, magically allowing her to shoot to the front after being in the middle of the pack until then. She's like a walking (flying?) deus ex machina. I never loved Claus in the first series, but at least he had some depth and talent, both of which Fam is sadly lacking. |
| Great episode. Okay, so I don't get one thing. Is Gisellle jelous? I mean I guess it's obvious but I figured she'd want to return to her family like she said, or would she rather fly with fam? Guess we'll find out as the eps progress but I got a feeling Giselle may not pilot anymore or head to the dark side :P i doubt that though :) |
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| So, Glacies are Russians? Well, okay. antisense said: Is it really that easy to sink a huge battleship? I don't remember that weakness being mentioned before. They stopped its Claudia engine by shooting something in it. Fam and Giselle tried this trick on the Sylvius in the 4th episode and it didn’t work because Giselle missed. But still sinking a capital ship with such ease seems like cheap writing to me. kira-factor said: Great episode. Okay, so I don't get one thing. Is Gisellle jelous? I mean I guess it's obvious but I figured she'd want to return to her family like she said, or would she rather fly with fam? I think that she is just worrying about Fam and Millia. Y’see, they constantly risking their lives in battle, so Giselle is non-stop nervous, and this stress is quickly wearing her out. |
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| Excuse me, but what language is that? The ending too?! Giselle is starting to think that she not needed anymore. It's sad T^T Common, Fam needs you Amazing battle scenes! The 3D animation never let's me down |
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Shih said: Excuse me, but what language is that? The ending too?! It’s Russian. |
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| enjoyable so far |
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KatayokuTsuneki said: Shih said: Excuse me, but what language is that? The ending too?! It’s Russian. it's really bad Russian :D But this episode was amazing:D |
| The spring I met you, The spring without you. |
| I usually don't pay much attention when watching this series but this episode is great. *Doing slavic dance right now* |
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| NOW that's what i'm waiting for |
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| best ep so far! |
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DangerMouseDM said: Was one of them better than the others when they spoke Russian for some of their lines? One of the other posters on one of these message boards mentioned there's actually one real Russian VA. It was grammatically correct Russian, but all seiyū I heard in this episode have very thick accents, so I doubt any of them are fluent speakers. |
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| Best episode I've seen so far |
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| Yeah I guess it's wasn't just me that think this was the best episode. Last Exile is so awesome and they keep the old music too :) The one with super long text I don't think I bother reading it everything right now. |
Nothing ventured, nothing gained (Girls und Panzer der Film ) / from Nishizumi Miho |
| Oh my god! And just when I thought 2nd Last Exile couldn't possibly suck any harder they start speaking horrible Russian right at the start of the new episode! This is terrible. |
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| With this, I think Gisey is lacked of self-confidence that she find herself different from the others two which made her feel out of place when they are altogether. I guess her character isn't strong as Lavis was. Well this will explain why she never speak her mind to Fam. |
 "A Legend is but a tale of a beautiful lie." |
| critics always focus on little things. they always turn minor issues into a galactic scale problems. they feel like they know everything and talk as if they can do a better job than those who make anime series. well if that's the case, let's see you guys create your own title and produce it. those kind of people just wants to talk about negative things and make themselves feel angry and frustrated. -this episode is great. 5/5 |
Smoker-samaDec 4, 2011 9:37 PM
| Everything was going swell for this episode until they one-shotted a flagship with a handgun. Smh I now see the major flaw in this anime, it doesn't have a protagonist. Everything she has done so far from the grand race, to the last episodes escape through the clouds. Have been ridiculous, she is not fit to be a main character instead they made the most potent one for that position (Gisel) do nothing this episode. Everyone outshines fam but in the end she still wins. |
| How the hell did the Silvius manage to survive the initial onslaught of dozens of ships firing at them from all sides? How the hell did a girl with zero experience in flying manage to shoot down one of the Federation's flagship? And what the fuck is up with Gisey? That was probably the most random thing ever. No explanation whatsoever as to why she didn't fly with Fam instead of Millia. So they might be trying to make people feel sorry for Gisey at the end of the episode but since there was absolutely zero explanation, I gave not one fuck about that scene unfortunately. Rest of the episode was stellar though, especially the Glacies people. |
WasabiDec 4, 2011 10:36 PM
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Wasabi said: How the hell did the Silvius manage to survive the initial onslaught of dozens of ships firing at them from all sides? How the hell did a girl with zero experience in flying manage to shoot down one of the Federation's flagship? And what the fuck is up with Gisey? That was probably the most random thing ever. No explanation whatsoever as to why she didn't fly with Fam instead of Millia. So they might be trying to make people feel sorry for Gisey at the end of the episode but since there was absolutely zero explanation, I gave not one fuck about that scene unfortunately. Rest of the episode was stellar though, especially the Glacies people. -Superior armour technology that allowed Silvius to withstand standard cannon shells? -They were flying pretty close to the claudia pipes and in a straight line, plus it was a pretty big target anyway. Unless Milia had vision problem, she couldn't easily miss it. -I assume that Gisey did not agree with Fam's plan of taking on enemy's battleship on their own at that time. She wasn't confident with her shooting skill, so maybe that's why she didn't go with Fam? -I didn't feel sorry for Gisey at the end. There was nothing to feel sorry for. It was not like Fam ditched her for Milia or anything. We saw Fam happily calling Gisey's name after she returned, while Gisey breaking in tears and shit. The scene at the end showed Gisey in a mixture of envy and despair. She probably thought that Fam not longer needed her, since she could take down a ship with Milia or anyone... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
frustratedDec 4, 2011 11:14 PM
Wasabi said: How the hell did a girl with zero experience in flying manage to shoot down one of the Federation's flagship? if someone is determined enough that's very much possible. that's clearly what that scene wants to tell the audience. it's not that hard if the only thing you have to do is pull the trigger at the right moment. if you don't want to accept that explanation you can always blame lady luck. is it a taboo to use those element as a means of victory in a story? i think not. Wasabi said: And what the fuck is up with Gisey? That was probably the most random thing ever. No explanation whatsoever as to why she didn't fly with Fam instead of Millia. So they might be trying to make people feel sorry for Gisey at the end of the episode but since there was absolutely zero explanation, I gave not one fuck about that scene unfortunately. it's not as random as you think. gizelle is feeling down because they are responsible on whats happening to sylvius. gizelle didn't fly with fam because fam dragged millia and wanted her to personally catch the 15th and final battle ship. gizelle is just having a hard time coping up with all that's happened to them since her personality is very weak. it's not that the story is full of randomness you just have to stop playing dumb and be open-minded to understand things. if you're that frustrated about the show then do yourself a favor and drop it. |
Smoker-samaDec 5, 2011 12:52 AM
| here we go, lots of wall of text. Well, what to say? TL;DR LOL? I always wondered, why people keep on gulping a sweet milk tea while it so obvious that they don't like it. No one is forcing you anyway. |
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Smoker-sama said: critics always focus on little things. they always turn minor issues into a galactic scale problems. they feel like they know everything and talk as if they can do a better job than those who make anime series. well if that's the case, let's see you guys create your own title and produce it. those kind of people just wants to talk about negative things and make themselves feel angry and frustrated. -this episode is great. 5/5 Being able to make an anime series is not a prerequisite for critiquing one. Please show me where someone has said they personally could do a better job. I'm not going to drop the series, because most of it is enjoyable to watch especially when Dio's in it. But I don't think it's unreasonable to voice frustrations about the blandness of the main character and the cheapness of some of the writing in a series that could be excellent. |
| Deathstar anyone? =P |
| Few maxims have done as much harm as, "Children should be seen and not heard." |
| Wow. |
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Wasabi said: How the hell did a girl with zero experience in flying manage to shoot down one of the Federation's flagship? (shrug) Millia wasn't flying, Fam was. We already know Millia knows how to use a gun - she would have killed Luscinia in the beginning if it weren't for some 'magic' shield that protected him. Fam just made it easy for her by giving her a near point blank shot. Actually, history is littered with warships that proved easy to sink. The forward half of the USS Arizona all but vaporized when a single bomb apparently hit a weak spot in the upper deck armor and penetrated to the forward magazine. The HMS Hood snapped in the middle like a twig and sank in seconds with all hands but one from a single enemy shot. The SMS Pommern all but fell apart after a single torpedo hit. Those are just examples off of the top of my head. Anyway, my take on all this fuss about how easy it seems to be to take out capitol ships in this time and place is one common to all armed forces of most eras - nearly everybody seems ready to fight the previous, not the current war. As such, weapons and tactics are often optimized right to the point of near lunacy. The battleships of the 1920s and 1930s are prime examples - all the major, and some of the minor, navies of the world heavily invested in them as their arm of might, but in the end their most important contribution to battle in WWII was as shore bombardment. The Ades Federation seems to be used to using overwhelming numbers and brute force weapons to take on half prepared forces of much smaller countries. As such, they're just not had to face opponents who are well equipped, highly skilled and experienced. Also, they just didn't think of designing their capitol ships to defend against small craft - think of the all Big Gun dreadnoughts of the pre-WWI era. Yep - the comparison with the "Death Star" is a good one. The "anti-aircraft" guns from the previous episode seem to be a VERY recent development and surely not yet widely employed. Besides, from MY point of view, the stupidest move during the entire episode was the one made by the Ades fleet when they surrounded the Silivius and shot at it from all sides - I'm sitting there thinking to myself : "gosh, the friendly fire from the Ades ships must be killing themselves." |
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| Oh, yes. The ship is surrounded by numerous enemy, is heavily damaged and burning. First officer Alister leans into the intercom and says to the crew "Bad news, everyone. Commander Tatiana is laughing." I nearly fell out of my chair ;) |
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| That episode was awesome, the animation and the battle scene. Even though everything went great for them, even though they should have failed; was still an enjoyable watch. 5/5 |
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antisense said: But I don't think it's unreasonable to voice frustrations about the blandness of the main character and the cheapness of some of the writing in a series that could be excellent. For what it's worth, I don't have a problem with that. I don't agree, but I'm OK with it. Most (most) of the complaints have been reasonably worded and argued, and deserve thinking about. But, I'm probably secretly in love with Fam and just haven't admitted it to myself, and all of your issues with her are going to fall on deaf ears ;) |
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antisense said: Being able to make an anime series is not a prerequisite for critiquing one. Please show me where someone has said they personally could do a better job. I'm not going to drop the series, because most of it is enjoyable to watch especially when Dio's in it. But I don't think it's unreasonable to voice frustrations about the blandness of the main character and the cheapness of some of the writing in a series that could be excellent. -you clearly misunderstood it. what i said is they talk "AS IF" they can do a better job. its presuming not directly being said. of course it's not a prerequisite to make a series to have a reason to criticize but they are criticizing (again) "AS IF" they know everything what it takes to make a series that doesn't have flaws in it. i'm saying don't expect something perfect if you don't know everything. only a writer/creator can understand everything. -yes there's nothing wrong with voicing their frustrations but if they're complaining consistently every episode i think they're just trolling. if they want the show to run according to what they want in order to make it less cheap and to be excellent, they should probably create their own story because a show can never know exactly what they want and it will never be undone so if they are always complaining in every single episode the smart thing to do is drop it. |
| Was so-so at best. Pretty disappointing, really. A lot of the battle seemed pretty nonsensical or just plain strange. Would love it if someone could explain how firing your cannons magically fixes your failing engines. Could see using the force to slow you down and soften a crash landing, which is what seemed like was happening, but then all of a sudden everything is perfectly fine? How does that work? Glacies seems a bit advanced for refuges that just setup their own nation like Turan, don't they? Seems a bit much for a xenophobic country. Not going to fault that yet, though, will wait for more to come out there. Millia turning all Luke Skywaker and taking out the flagship made me roll my eyes. The Silvius coming out of the fight intact does seems like a serious stretch. Don't care how good the armor or the crew is. Name any battle that had 100 to 1 odds that turned out like that. Well, the battle wasn't a complete disaster and some parts were pretty good regardless. 3/5 |
Tanrim said: Would love it if someone could explain how firing your cannons magically fixes your failing engines. Could see using the force to slow you down and soften a crash landing, which is what seemed like was happening, but then all of a sudden everything is perfectly fine? How does that work? Charges exploded underwater, and the surge of water upward gave them Silvius enough lift to come out of its descent. Haters gonna hate. This episode depicts best the political and military aspects of the Last Exile series. I haven't been this satisfied with aerial combat since the Anatoray-Disith alliance battle with the Guild. Glacies is an insular nation much like the Soviet Union. I'm sure this is not random selection. Their rocket designs are very similar to the booster designs of the Soyuz rockets. While that type of launch mechanism may seem archaic, remember that even Federation commanders have never seen anything as fast as Glacies ships. Remember that the Soviet Union was ahead of the world in space development in the early years of the space race, and this happened while they developed it in isolation from other nations. Likewise, Glacies is not to be underestimated, as their two-seater gunships can penetrate Federation battleship armor. |
arsonal said: Tanrim said: Would love it if someone could explain how firing your cannons magically fixes your failing engines. Could see using the force to slow you down and soften a crash landing, which is what seemed like was happening, but then all of a sudden everything is perfectly fine? How does that work? Charges exploded underwater, and the surge of water upward gave them Silvius enough lift to come out of its descent. That explains why the ship was forced up, which I got already, but it doesn't explain why the ship didn't just fall again. The whole reason the Silvius was falling in the first place, or so it seemed from what was said and going on, is because the engines were failing and not giving enough power to stay in the air. So, again, would love if someone could give me a good explanation of this. Not pointing out perceived flaws for the hell of it and would be more then happy to admit I'm wrong if I am. The Glacies and Soviet Union parallel seems obvious and like it could fit but don't know enough about Glacies to say for sure yet so going to keep holding my judgment there. |
arsonal said: Haters gonna hate. -right on the money! "haters gonna hate". most of them are just playing dumb to have a reason to complain. they won't even bother to understand simple aspects because they are so busy anticipating mistakes to criticize.  |
Tanrim said: So, again, would love if someone could give me a good explanation of this. Not pointing out perceived flaws for the hell of it and would be more then happy to admit I'm wrong if I am. There is no explanation because there is no need for one. We do not know how Claudia functions and how how it can keep ships buoyant in the sky, and that's that. That's why this is called science fiction. |
| First something directed at people complaining about criticism. Can't speak for anyone else but I've actually been pretty reasonable with my criticism. Last time I checked the name of the thread is in fact Last Exile: Ginyoku no Fam Episode 8 Discussion, it's not Last Exile: Ginyoku no Fam Episode 8 Fans Unite. If you want to live in your own rose-colored glassed world and be blind to anything that could be wrong with the show and just want your fanboy/girliism validated then you'd probably be better off in a fan club. Just a bit of friendly advice. Personally, I couldn't care less if you love or hate something. I'm here to give my opinion and maybe get involved in some actual discussion. If you don't then more power to you. If you don't think I should be able to do that and I'm just blindly hating then that sounds like a personal problem. arsonal said: Tanrim said: So, again, would love if someone could give me a good explanation of this. Not pointing out perceived flaws for the hell of it and would be more then happy to admit I'm wrong if I am. There is no explanation because there is no need for one. We do not know how Claudia functions and how how it can keep ships buoyant in the sky, and that's that. That's why this is called science fiction. No offense but just because you can't give an explanation doesn't mean there isn't one. A lot of science fiction does have some sort of explanation behind it, if it's still plausible or not is another story. If you don't have the information needed to answer then thanks for trying, I guess. For now I'll keep thinking of it as a flaw. If something comes up that would make me think I should rethink that then I will. |
TanrimDec 6, 2011 3:40 AM
Smoker-sama said: antisense said: Being able to make an anime series is not a prerequisite for critiquing one. Please show me where someone has said they personally could do a better job. I'm not going to drop the series, because most of it is enjoyable to watch especially when Dio's in it. But I don't think it's unreasonable to voice frustrations about the blandness of the main character and the cheapness of some of the writing in a series that could be excellent. -you clearly misunderstood it. what i said is they talk "AS IF" they can do a better job. its presuming not directly being said. of course it's not a prerequisite to make a series to have a reason to criticize but they are criticizing (again) "AS IF" they know everything what it takes to make a series that doesn't have flaws in it. i'm saying don't expect something perfect if you don't know everything. only a writer/creator can understand everything. In that case, perhaps you shouldn't have followed it up with "well if that's the case, let's see you guys create your own title and produce it." Seems to suggest that if someone can't produce a series, they shouldn't criticise one, which is a bit silly really. To me, most of the criticism on this thread seems quite well thought out, rather than just bitching for the sake of it. -yes there's nothing wrong with voicing their frustrations but if they're complaining consistently every episode i think they're just trolling. if they want the show to run according to what they want in order to make it less cheap and to be excellent, they should probably create their own story because a show can never know exactly what they want and it will never be undone so if they are always complaining in every single episode the smart thing to do is drop it. Haven't paid much attention to complaints across multiple threads so can't really comment there, though it would be pretty pointless repeating the same thing over and over. But I think sometimes people are most frustrated by flaws in a series they like, so telling them to drop it doesn't really help. Personally, if it was a show I didn't care about at all I wouldn't be bothering to post in the first place. |
Cratex said: antisense said: But I don't think it's unreasonable to voice frustrations about the blandness of the main character and the cheapness of some of the writing in a series that could be excellent. For what it's worth, I don't have a problem with that. I don't agree, but I'm OK with it. Most (most) of the complaints have been reasonably worded and argued, and deserve thinking about. But, I'm probably secretly in love with Fam and just haven't admitted it to myself, and all of your issues with her are going to fall on deaf ears ;) Hehe, completely understand that (I'm a rabid Dio fangirl myself, which is why I like to pretend the last 3 episodes of the first series don't exist). I have no problems at all with anyone else liking Fam, I just find her a bit lacking as a main character. |
antisense said: In that case, perhaps you shouldn't have followed it up with "well if that's the case, let's see you guys create your own title and produce it." Seems to suggest that if someone can't produce a series, they shouldn't criticise one, which is a bit silly really. To me, most of the criticism on this thread seems quite well thought out, rather than just bitching for the sake of it. i don't think some of the criticisms are that well thought out because most of them are just silly sarcastic questions with a very obvious reason which is to criticize. if they are well thought out then those sarcastic questions with some bad words in it shouldn't be so easy to answer. if they are not just a bunch of bad mouthing trolls, then their posts shouldn't just be consistent and repetitive complains in every single episode. antisense said: Haven't paid much attention to complaints across multiple threads so can't really comment there, though it would be pretty pointless repeating the same thing over and over. But I think sometimes people are most frustrated by flaws in a series they like, so telling them to drop it doesn't really help. Personally, if it was a show I didn't care about at all I wouldn't be bothering to post in the first place. i don't think they like the series by the way they are criticizing it. maybe they are fans of the previous series but this is NOT the first last exile. if you're not sure you can always take a look at the previous discussions to see for yourself and decide whether they are well thought out criticisms or just repeating trolls. there are some previous last exile fans who already dropped this because they are not satisfied with it and that's more wise than to continue watching if they are that frustrated. |
Smoker-samaDec 6, 2011 5:27 AM
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