A Certain Magical Index (light novel)
What did you think of this episode?
5Loved it!
46.8%
65
4Liked it!
16.5%
23
3It was OK
21.6%
30
2Disliked it
7.9%
11
1Hated it
7.2%
10
Average 3.9
139 votes
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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- This episode gave me a chill especially in the first few minutes. Poor Hamazura... Accelerator and his singing though. Even though this arc has been a mess, I gotta give credit to his VA to being able to voice him like that. As for Touma vs Fiamma, their personal clash continues on in this arc. I feel like they're trying to show off Fiamma to be as badass as posible heh |
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TomHazard said: Accel part was well directed but when they switched to Touma and Fiamma it was your typical comedy director Nishikori there. He put expositions to give excuse for his lazy still motions and slow camera tilts, not to put some perspectives or help the audience to clear some confusions. God forbid he put some kind of brief fight scenes to spice up the exposition dumping, gotta follow the book faithfully you know (except when he could't use them to excuse his lazy ass) God, just 1 more of this fucking shitshow so please give me strength to see this piece of shit adaptation can finally be put into the grave. |
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Tiau said: loli_a_ravioli said: He put expositions to give excuse for his lazy still motions and slow camera tilts, not to put some perspectives or help the audience to clear some confusions. God forbid he put some kind of brief fight scenes to spice up the exposition dumping, gotta follow the book faithfully you know (except when he could't use them to excuse his lazy ass) God, just 1 more of this fucking shitshow so please give me strength to see this piece of shit adaptation can finally be put into the grave. I mean ironically, the one time I recall him adding a brief fight scene to spice up characters talking(in recent time anyways) was during Accelerator vs Touma where he had them do something instead of sitting there talking Needless to say, people was pissed And that scene was horribly plot hole filled, also Kamachi gave action directing that they ignored. Don’t defend the hacks in the directing team. What are you? JC’s stockholder? Nishikori’s mom? No precog, no diversion, no wing grab and spin. That’s still cutting out content and being lazy, they added nothing. |
| "You had no free will, you chased your vices along the same path as all of the others." - Shikieiki Yamaxanadu, Diamond in the rough |
| Well that was something ... blergh, nothing more to comment, 1 more episode left. On side note, still feels strange how Hamazura just kills people, even if it is war - i feel like it breaks/destroys his character in some way. I wonder if it was/assumed the same during his days in Skill-out with Komaba and Hanzou. |
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Elisile said: allenjke said: Well that was something ... blergh, nothing more to comment, 1 more episode left. On side note, still feels strange how Hamazura just kills people, even if it is war - i feel like it breaks/destroys his character in some way. I wonder if it was/assumed the same during his days in Skill-out with Komaba and Hanzou. For me, it did feel weird when he killed the soldier in this episode. However, it's not because I thought he was unjustified in doing so or anything. It was weird because he specifically chose to spare Miguno's life in the last episode, when he could have easily just ended her right there, and gone back to searching for Takitsubo, who I thought was the one he cared about. But they had no problem allowing Hamazura to spare that monster who has repeatedly tried to kill him and the one he loves, going so far as to waste half an episode on him sloppily trying to re- connect with her when he should have instead offed her and went back to looking for Takitsubo. For the record, they still haven't explained why on earth Hamazura even wants ITEM back together, when all it did was allow Miguno to exploit and try to kill him and Takitsubo. But when it comes to a random soldier? Yeah, just kill the SOB, I guess. Because plot. Again, I have no problem with him killing the soldier. But it makes no sense after he just worked so hard to spare Miguno. And just a quick note about Miguno's "redemption". Last I checked, don't villains have to actually earn redemption? I know that this show has a very bad habit of literally making every bad guy into a good guy, to the point where it's almost laughable (I'm still fully expecting Fiamma to become a hero or something), but even then, Miguno's redemption really just comes off as weird and inconsistent with everything the story had been building up until that point. It was just like a 180 degree flip of a light switch, and she was redeemed. It took all of 30 seconds because Hamazura said so. Idk, maybe the light novel explains this stuff better. I don't know if it is the redemtion or anything, but in LN she lives with the fact that she killed Frenda, the fact that she was trying killing in general is not mentioned often (well her screentime is not that frequent in the first place). But well the main fact should be and is that Hamazura forgave her and wanted her to change. And well his view on new ITEM is the peaceful. My point is a bit different. The whole world/universe is built on the rule on no-killing, few exceptions and no count fodder-up soldiers. But this case is in my opinion different. Hamazura is shown as 1 of 3 heroes with his morales similar to Touma's. And him killing doesn't affect his character at all. I remember the scene he was burning some other fodder character and apologizing, just a contraction. Well mb i'm just giving it too much thought. Accel was probably killing some espers left and right (okay mb gravely injuring) and they should probably have parents, etc. And i wonder if Skill-out was heavily beating espers. Just unnecessary thoughts. |
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| Accel part was nicely done. Only 1 episode left,hope it is done well lot of imp stuff will be shown then Like certain character making an appearance,Touma Mikoto etc. |
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| Accelerator part is always the best. He's the only reason I watch this shit. |
| "Just because I’ve gotten weaker, it doesn’t mean that you got stronger, right?" |
| I've somehow managed to make it this far. Through some sheer miracle, I'm here. No idea what was going on with the weird alien dudes at the start. Just a strange scene. This entire anime could've been done without the ITEM plot line and it would've probably been better. I honestly can't believe they threw in another 'group' at the end there too. "Team dawnlight sunshine" or whatever the fuck? I will admit that the Accelerator scene was pretty cool. If they'd made the entire anime like that, we would've had a fucking gold class anime, regardless of how shit the story is. Unfortunately, we got 1 minute out of the other 8 hours of trash. A quote from a man I know who absolutely loves everything about the to aru series and has read all of the books "nothing has ever let me down this hard" |
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| Hamazura was awesome, the way he tricked those guys was super cool. |
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| This season has been such a horrible pleasure watching shit from J.C. I am not watching OPM II until I see majority of people say the animation is fine, I do not want to torture myself like this again. DaL III and Index III has been such a painful experience to watch. And before someone says "then don't watch it" That ain't it chief, its not that easy dropping a show you once loved, but now I know the amount of quality J.C has a chance of fcking up a show so I'll be cautious when its their studio doing the work, even if I do love the series. |
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| Before Index 3 started i couldn't wait to watch it. Now I can't wait to finish it and probably never touch it again unless the staff changes. |
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-Stray said: This season has been such a horrible pleasure watching shit from J.C. I am not watching OPM II until I see majority of people say the animation is fine, I do not want to torture myself like this again. DaL III and Index III has been such a painful experience to watch. And before someone says "then don't watch it" That ain't it chief, its not that easy dropping a show you once loved, but now I know the amount of quality J.C has a chance of fcking up a show so I'll be cautious when its their studio doing the work, even if I do love the series. JC suffocates its staff with their shitty planning and countless of projects they cannot handle at once, add an absolutely atrocious director into the mix like Nishikiori Hiroshi and this is what you get. The only explanation I can find is that JC has stopped caring altogether about the quality of the stuff they put out. Popular projects like Index 3 and OPM 2 get this kind of treatment while their priority is DanMachi. |
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| Hamazura killing those soldiers. One more episode to go. |
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| Accelerator singing was a bit out of the blue, but his sequence was pretty well done. Same still can't be said for the pacing of the episode and I doubt that the final episode will be any better. Still, it was pretty satisfying to see Hamazura working together with Mugino to take down the weird looking enemies and although his luck this time was a bit overpowered, he was still ruthless with his approach to kill of the enemies with ease. I'm not sure how the last episode will go, but I think it's easy to say that the discussion thread will be even more toxic towards J.C Staff in general and I couldn't blame them for that at all. |
| low-key kind of wondering why Misaka is here. She came for Touma but that isn't really working and whatever else she is doing that could be important I could easily see just Accelerator or Hamazura doing instead hmmm but I guess it doesn't really matter since its not harming the narrative and is cute seeing her talk to 10777. Would of preferred 10032 to be honest if a Sister was just going to be there when the author was thinking of including one |
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| it seems out of character for Hamazura to kill people like that lol Accelerator is an anomaly for sure, and wow so because of his vector power he is also a math genius eh lets see how Touma will defeat Fiamma next episode |
| Poor Hamazura and his wonderful character arc got fucked up by this adaptation smh. Birdway tho <3 |
| Still don't have a clue what's going on. Touma managed to spend the last 10 mins shouting Shounen bollocks at Fiamma. JC Staff should be ashamed of this dogs dinner of a show. Honestly it's pretty much put me off the series for good. Oh and the cast is still far far too big. I think the author has a short attention span, he creates a good character then shoves them in the background to go and make another. |
Elisile said: i mean being real this whole season has been a clusterfuck due to the pacing we only had a small chance of hope this arc would be slightly less so all we can do now is pray Railgun is done well .I'm honestly kinda scared for the final episode. I'm thinking back to all of the endings of this series that I've seen so far (Railgun 1&2, Index 1&2, and the movie), and I can't really remember any of them being all that great. They're either trying to shove way too much over- the- top crap in (like Mikoto and Kuroko going into space to stop a missile.... wut) or they're just.... weird and awkward (Mikoto's drunk mother fawning all over Accel and Touma, and the series just ending with Touma and Hamazura randomly looking at each other, and leaving it at that for the next 8 years). Seeing all of the loose ends they still have to tie up, and how long they've been dragging this out for, I can't say that I'm very hopeful that the finale will be anything other than a clustertruck. though watching accelerator part i'm like shit this is alright |
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Elisile said: I'm honestly kinda scared for the final episode. I'm thinking back to all of the endings of this series that I've seen so far (Railgun 1&2, Index 1&2, and the movie), and I can't really remember any of them being all that great. They're either trying to shove way too much over- the- top crap in (like Mikoto and Kuroko going into space to stop a missile.... wut) or they're just.... weird and awkward (Mikoto's drunk mother fawning all over Accel and Touma, and the series just ending with Touma and Hamazura randomly looking at each other, and leaving it at that for the next 8 years). Seeing all of the loose ends they still have to tie up, and how long they've been dragging this out for, I can't say that I'm very hopeful that the finale will be anything other than a clustertruck. Watch as they add Index comes out of nowhere and bite Touma's head because "HAHA HEADCRAB JOKE GAIS, COMEDY DIRECTOR HERE PREASE UNDERSTAND" |
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| Hamazura part was okay, nice mindgame he pulled of on his persecutors. Accelerators part was alright, preview shows she'll be alright thanks to him, nice  |
| just because I’ve gotten weaker, doesn’t mean that you got stronger, does it? |
| @DelusionalUzume When a secondary character matters and empathizes better with people than the protagonist himself |
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| @Elisile I see your point and i think it's valid. Just see it in a bit different way, and some leeway should be allowed + important thing is if it is actually shown, not just some mentioning behind the scenes. Oh well, non-killing sustem is the high risk in the first place for trying to build and keep going. |
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GEIBANANA said: And Miki just said that NT will have Anime if Accel and Railgun sale are good. Lol, Miki doesn't care about Index 3 from the start. WE ALL GOT BAITED BY HIM!!! he said if THE SERIES AND GAMES sell well , not "railgun and accel but all of "toaru project anime " + he said " I felt like I wanted to finish the old testament by all means but felt that the ending with Russia was rushed. Cutting all the important parts was very sad during production, but everything that was absolutely important was not cut. I’m aware there were too many things that were lost, that in the end I was like “EH?" so at least he cares and knows there's a problem maybe he'll try and make the next season better if they made one ( which i hope they don't make it , the ln has suffered enough ) |
Tsukumo_YuumaMar 30, 2019 8:15 AM
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| Accelerator's scenes was handled pretty well, but aside that it's nothing good about this episode. God the direction of Touma and Fiamma's scenes was handled so poorly that only Abe and Morikawa's voice acting can somehow stands in the entire scenes..... Oh well at least the animations isn't as bad as Accelerator & Kazakiri vs Gabriel fight in EP23. Side note, I think Taichi You's voice as Leivinia in this episode sounds a bit better than her voice in Virtual-On game for some reason lol. Elisile said: I'm honestly kinda scared for the final episode. I'm thinking back to all of the endings of this series that I've seen so far (Railgun 1&2, Index 1&2, and the movie), and I can't really remember any of them being all that great. They're either trying to shove way too much over- the- top crap in (like Mikoto and Kuroko going into space to stop a missile.... wut) or they're just.... weird and awkward (Mikoto's drunk mother fawning all over Accel and Touma, and the series just ending with Touma and Hamazura randomly looking at each other, and leaving it at that for the next 8 years). I'm more scares at how Nishikiori will f**ked up the last episode and if the art/animation and direction will gonna be bad or not. If you wonders how this arc will ended, it will ended up with Touma "died" with the fortress crushes down. |
| well that was sometihng... to think it will wrap up in the next episode |
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GEIBANANA said: And Miki just said that NT will have Anime if Accel and Railgun sale are good. Lol, Miki doesn't care about Index 3 from the start. WE ALL GOT BAITED BY HIM!!! His responses from the event pretty much implied that he knew JC fucked up, that's why he hoped for better results from Accel and Railgun. |
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| Endure...just one more episode. |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| I actually like how crazy and unpredictable the story turned out after they all landed in russia. Too bad that Fiamma is the worst villain ever and Touma wasn't doing well since the season started. That aside the other characters were interesting enough to make this show watchable. |
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| For all the folks who voted they loved it im truly baffled. What did you love? The messy directing? The talking battle with Touma? The ridiculous Hamazura taking out 3 trained solders with great ease? How bad does this series have to get for LN fans to finally admit it's a Trainwreck |
CrashmattMar 31, 2019 1:23 PM
Crashmatt said: For all the folks who voted they loved it im truly baffled. What did you love? The messy directing? The talking battle with Touma? The ridiculous Hamazura taking out 3 trained solders with great ease? How bad does this series have to get for LN fans to finally admit it's a Trainwreck the LN fans already know that this season is shit , didn't you read any episode discussion ? it's full of angry LN fans . the LN fans is the ones that hate this season the most |
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Elisile said: Like, this show started off as an interesting battle between magic and science, involving some core lovable characters who we enjoyed seeing interact with one another (Touma, Mikoto, Index, the Sisters, Accelerator, Kuroko, Kanzaki, etc.). But now, there are more characters than you can shake a stick at, and they still keep adding to the list even in the final episodes. And I'd say about half of these new characters were so poorly introduced that we're still scratching our heads as to why they're even there or what their motivations even are. Then, just when we think we might have a character figured out, Touma has a brief little chat with them and suddenly that character completely flips and now has all new motivations and is fighting for the opposite side. This brings me to the other main issue, which is that 99% of the villains just turn into good guys for virtually no reason. It worked the first couple of times. Accelerator was probably one of the best- handled examples. But now it's just getting old and ridiculous. This whole "Power to the people! Everyone put aside your differences and rise up together!" narrative is nice, but it just doesn't seem to fit here. Overall, it seems like there's simply way too much crap that they're trying to shove into this season, especially this arc, and it's falling apart. that's because this season is one of the worst adaptations , we've been saying this since the BR arc , they're adapting 9 volumes in 26 episodes with nishikiori as a director what did you expect |
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