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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Definitely an important episode considering the amount of background storytelling. Got info dump about alchemy and also a woman named Francine. There was also a part about a disease that got spread in France. In general, it has ties to the present related to Narumi so I think it's definitely an important part for the main story. Quite interesting actually. |
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| Minghai? Why did Yin assumed that Francine is in Hell, wasn't he considering her as a gracious and good innocent woman or something? |
| Well that was a learning episode. Now I understand the series well. I even now feel confident enough to make predictions on what will happen in later episodes. |
mezzo12 said: Minghai? Why did Yin assumed that Francine is in Hell, wasn't he considering her as a gracious and good innocent woman or something? Maybe she did something in the 9 years they were apart that they didn't show. Also, what was the desease that she had? Anyone? |
| So Jin kidnapped Yin's girl, Francine, and Jin just went nuts after Yin took Francine form him. So it was that nut job Jin that started it all, the puppets, the secret organization, the Zonapha and Masaru's clan. So that Old hag with Narumi, she said that she witness the event , so does that mean that she had live about a hundred or more years. |
| So Jin kidnapped Yin's girl, Francine, and Jin just went nuts after Yin took Francine form him. So it was that nut job Jin that started it all, the puppets, the secret organization, the Zonapha and Masaru's clan. So that Old hag with Narumi, she said that she witness the event , so does that mean that she had live about a hundred or more years. |
JiangHaoyi1979 said: So that Old hag with Narumi, she said that she witness the event , so does that mean that she had live about a hundred or more years. I would believe so. I have a strong suspicion that it's the same for Guy. Maybe not living for so long but he's the same as her. That and he can't die. I now understand how Narumi survived the explosion. |
| I wish I could take this seriously, but. lol So Jin somehow kidnapped Francine, but instead of trying to get away from him, she just accepted "her lot in life." Leaving behind the man she "loved the most", and the people she provided for. Somehow she got a contagious disease, and Jin just let the villagers jail her like that, maybe he didn't want to get sick either. And one beautiful day out of nowhere, just when she was about to be cured, they decided to set her on fire. They were so worried about being infected, but they still went inside the shack twice to drag Yin out of there when he could be infected himself. lol So Jin, crazier™ than ever, made a puppet with her image. He wanted to make her laugh, but he couldn't. Even though he made a 'glorious' gore spectacle, and created one deadly syndrome. I wonder why she didn't laugh. lol Then Yin who parted resigned to the fact that Francine was also "devoted" to Jin, just came back decades later after the horror, hating the automata, and ending his life to control people who needed his elixir to keep living. How could years on extreme poverty, a kidnapping, and then being burned alive be a "true and fulfilling" life? Get your act together Narumi/Francine! And I laughed out loud when Jin's nose got way bigger with the years. And I'm not sure, but it seems that the suicidal master took with him one of the four main threats already, it's a pity, but this is so convoluted and crazy. It's a pity because with more episodes this could've been a better adaptation. I mean, I haven't read the manga, but it can't be the mess these episodes were, can it? |
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Fayrin said: I wish I could take this seriously, but. lol So Jin somehow kidnapped Francine, but instead of trying to get away from him, she just accepted "her lot in life." Leaving behind the man she "loved the most", and the people she provided for. Somehow she got a contagious disease, and Jin just let the villagers jail her like that, maybe he didn't want to get sick either. And one beautiful day out of nowhere, just when she was about to be cured, they decided to set her on fire. They were so worried about being infected, but they still went inside the shack twice to drag Yin out of there when he could be infected himself. lol So Jin, crazier™ than ever, made a puppet with her image. He wanted to make her laugh, but he couldn't. Even though he made a 'glorious' gore spectacle, and created one deadly syndrome. I wonder why she didn't laugh. lol Then Yin who parted resigned to the fact that Francine was also "devoted" to Jin, just came back decades later after the horror, hating the automata, and ending his life to control people who needed his elixir to keep living. How could years on extreme poverty, a kidnapping, and then being burned alive be a "true and fulfilling" life? Get your act together Narumi/Francine! And I laughed out loud when Jin's nose got way bigger with the years. And I'm not sure, but it seems that the suicidal master took with him one of the four main threats already, it's a pity, but this is so convoluted and crazy. It's a pity because with more episodes this could've been a better adaptation. I mean, I haven't read the manga, but it can't be the mess these episodes were, can it? Well, when you put things in that perspective, lol. I read just this and the past arc and there is no much more explanations for Francine or everyone acts too, so it can actually be a little worse cause there is also another ramdom characters who do nothing but getting in the way making the mess a little bigger. But there is more fights and action scenes to the ones who like it. |
| Man that is one messed up history...But it's nice to finally have context for this whole thing |
| I think in my opinion Francine loved both Yin and Jin, but chose Yin instead. Does that mean Shirogane and Narumi are the reincarnation of Francine and Yin? I really hope they're though. At least on this episode we got the history of the Zonapha syndrome and the aqua vitae cure. This episode was informative while also poetic in a sense, Jin sure got old and ugly though. I thought when Narumi's master was committed suicide, he would reveal he was Yin or Jin, but meh! Otherwise it was a great episode as always. |
How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb --- Dr Strangelove  |
| Great episode. This background story really make me feel sad. Francine's personality is kind. I loved the character, as well as her story with Yin. The story in general seems clearer now. |
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| just knew there was going to be a shit backstory to aqua vitae and zonapha syndrome. some stupid brother betrayal/fight, just over a girl is just so frustrating. they both make aqua vitae but fail to use it for the purpose they wanted to. jin was stupid enough to obsess over a girl that truly loved his younger brother. then decided "i'm going to try make a puppet laugh" making zonapha syndrome in an attempt to make francine laugh and get revenge on the villagers. now yins spirit lives on in aqua vitae to try stop automata, but narumi's master blew it all up so there's no more aqua vitae. |
| So who set fire to the cottage? |
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| Damn, this was an eventful, very intense and a great episode! Finally some proper context and, like I expected, the roots of the ZONAPHA Syndrome and Automatons are absolute bonkers and maniacal. Yin killing countless people just to make the Francine doll laugh was insane and totally unhumane-like, and just the presentation of it really left a bitter taste. Over-the-top brutality, right here! Yin stealing Francine from Jin at the start of the episode really surprised me there, it just seems so juvenile to steal your brother’s wife imo. Jin took 9 long and excruciating years to find his brother and his wife, but even more bad news was in store for him when he saw his pitiful wife’s condition. Really heavy moment there, the way Francine still retained her kindness despite going through such horrid treatment is just very Francine-like and, needless to mention, shockingly kind! Some few bad shots of Jin there though which kind of caught my eye, I hope this will not embark the fall of animation constantly from here on, but it wasn’t too much of a bother in all honesty. Yin’s atrocious face expressions, on the other hand, were wicked damn! Francine’s words there before her demise to share the medicine with those more in need, really depressed me from the bottom of my heart. To be honest, I was hoping the villagers would be punished for it but there really is nothing to blame them for, and that’s the worst part of it. What Jin inflicted upon those poor souls though in the following scene with the members of the sickening Midnight Circus was horrendous and definitely taking things way too far on a whole new level. 6 years of not dying though, jeez! Thankfully, Yin came around to save the poor villagers eventually and left with Arlequin and passing on his hatred. No wonder why he meant he’ll be going to hell there right before his demise, but why would Francine be heading there too? I’m thinking it’s because Francine liked both Yin and Jin and so that’s why he assumed she might be going to hell for not running away from Jin’s control. Moving on, the final fight scene between Narumi’s master and one of the old members of the Midnight Circus was captivating to see, what a quick-fire technique that was! It’s sad to see him commit suicide like that leaving his daughter behind, but at least he did intentionally to stop the horrid spreading around. Goodbye, brave Sensei! His last words resembling that of Francine’s suggests something I’m sure, so I’m looking forward to knowing what that is! I wonder who lit the hut on fire though and from where exactly Yin managed to find those clowns. I wonder where Masaru’s family stands amidst all this, though. Shirogane is a name from Japan, huh? Interesting bit, that I just had to point out. I’m assuming this also implies that Jin travelled across the Globe trying to find ways to beat Yin’s automatons and such, crazy backstory! Also, I realised that Lucille’s hair turned silver by drinking the Aqua Vitae and I’m assuming it was the same for Guy so why not for Narumi? Is it because Jin’s hair wasn’t? Could this possibly mean something? |
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| I knew it from the previous episode, freaking NTRd hayka said: mezzo12 said: Minghai? Why did Yin assumed that Francine is in Hell, wasn't he considering her as a gracious and good innocent woman or something? Maybe she did something in the 9 years they were apart that they didn't show. Also, what was the desease that she had? Anyone? Jin definitely smashed her in those 9 years duh, Yin and Francine kinda got married and since Francine is religious af she considers herself sinful coz she committed ya know what |
| well shit...feels mate |
| Don't believe the hype. |
| Not a bad episode. Lots of contexts. |
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| wow that was a great episode hmm truly enjoyed it.... |
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| Why Francine and Yin look like Narumi and Shriogane Is it because we are looking at the past through narumi's memories so it got mixed up with Yin's? |
Haya_chanApr 2, 2022 5:30 AM
Vivekananda said: So who set fire to the cottage? |
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| This was so fucked up and sad ;_; Loved this backstory and it added so much to the whole picture. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| Hi I don't understand the goal of the Midnight Circus... Can anyone explain me pls? |
heftyman said: Okay I am super confused right now. Who was the guy who threw himself down the well? I thought this was Narumi? but he is alive. It's Yin, the older brother who was "married" to Francine. |
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| WOW! JUST WOW! This has become so DEEP it's hard to take it all in. well problem is its also too rushed! DAMN! 5/5! |
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| So many FMAB flashbacks lol Jin looked like a deranged Shou Tucker sans the Nina-Alexander thing. Yin was right though, I think Francine had some feelings for him, maybe not as strong as her feelings for Yin but they were there, or else she would've run away. I feel so sorry for Francine. She had a hard life and has been nothing but kind to others. She also chose to feed others before herself and yet what does she get in return? So Jin was the source of Zonapha disease. Everyone is so crazy but I just accept it as it is since it's missing a lot from the manga, based on the manga readers, I have yet to catch up with the manga since i'm balancing so many manga right now. I can tell lots of things are being rushed. Also this was written by the same guy who made Ushio and Tora so naturally it would have some over-the-top drama shounen-ness. Nice to see Lucille during her younger years. I'm just wondering. Isn't she also immortal? Why did she age into an old woman while Guy still looks really young? Same with Shirogane/Eleonore. Did they receive the Aqua Vitae in their youth? Didn't the same happen to Lucille? Why is she old? Also, was Narumi's master, Jin? I have so many questions lol |
| 臭い- |
| At least it makes sense now that Guy wanted to recruit Narumi, well, if he indeed knew he's a reincarnation of Yin and it's not just damn luck. Interestingly enough, Jin is listed as a main character. Seems like things aren't over for him yet. |
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| Damn, why you have to involve sex bs into this? Fuck! I hate this shit. |
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| Man this show is so weird with its pacing and storytelling, I'm gonna keep watching but hopefully it can find a stable ground for pace sometime soon |
| “I love heroes, but I don't want to be one. Do you even know what a hero is!? For example, you have some meat. Pirates will feast on the meat, but the hero will distribute it among the people! I want to eat the meat!” - Monkey D. Luffy |
| I thought Jin was the leader of Midnight Circus, I was wrong but I'm sure the guy is still alive. |
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| We learned more about Yin and Jin in this episode. Narumi now understands everything, because he has Yin's thoughts. Also, Lucille is over 200 years old, and was there when all that happened. Narumi's master has sacrificed himself to stop that automata from drinking from the spring. |
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| Interesting origin of the automata and the aqua vitae, so basically everything is Jin's fault |
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