Zaregoto Series
What did you think of this episode?
5Loved it!
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4Liked it!
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3It was OK
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2Disliked it
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1Hated it
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Average 4.2
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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- I am screaming right now, the episode finally is out. This series is what stand out the most from one of Nisio Isin's works in my opinion. And Tomo being voiced by Aoi Yuuki<3  Hmm, I won't compare the novels itself and how good the anime adapt thou. Here our li-chan has made contact with some of the genius guests. The exchange of interesting dialogues between him and the guests are as expected:) Like the end part of li-chan and Kanami. |
valvravetruthOct 25, 2016 10:03 AM
| perfectly 1 chapter in book. genius engineer, genius painter, genius fortuneteller, genius fools. Done well, I think. Still character introduction, there's not much to talk about it. Even, if I want to compare this with the other 'trapped in island and murder happen' work like WTC or and then there were none, the prologue almost not shouting about mystery, rather more philosophical question about geniusness thing. |
megmicaOct 25, 2016 7:30 AM
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megmica said: perfectly 1 chapter in book. genius engineer, genius painter, genius fortuneteller, genius fools. Done well, I think. Still character introduction, there's not much to talk about it. Even, if I want to compare this with the other 'trapped in island and murder happen' work like WTC or and then there were none, the prologue almost not shouting about mystery, rather more philosophical question about geniusness thing. i can't add anything more loved the character introduction, and that prologue scene! i really liked how the showed now we wait another month :( the waifus parade!! |
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| my queen!!!! overall a perfect adaption. if u dont like shaft this isnt for u. if ur a fan of shaft and nisio u will fall in love. personally its better directed than the gatari series  |
moodie said: my queen!!!! overall a perfect adaption. if u dont like shaft this isnt for u. if ur a fan of shaft and nisio u will fall in love. personally its better directed than the gatari series Although I haven't read the novels, I am a big fan of SHAFT and I do love Nisio and Monogatari. So hearing that it's well directed makes me even more hyped to watch. |
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| Godlike. Aoi Yuuki is the perfect Tomo. Exactly how she sounded in my head, reading the novels. That is all. |
| I think it will make sense if I said I am really confused about the entire first episode. Can anyone please tell me if I will understand it better later in the anime? This is not the first time I failed to understand a NisioisiN story. The animations are always so distracting, and being so dialogue heavy, I always fail to keep track of what is being said. But the entire Monogatari series is so fascinating I am pretty excited for this one. Maybe I will need to watch the whole thing in one go and keep it on hold for the time being. Or would you guy suggest I read the source material? |
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shanimebib said: just enjoy the anime.I think it will make sense if I said I am really confused about the entire first episode. Can anyone please tell me if I will understand it better later in the anime? This is not the first time I failed to understand a NisioisiN story. The animations are always so distracting, and being so dialogue heavy, I always fail to keep track of what is being said. But the entire Monogatari series is so fascinating I am pretty excited for this one. Maybe I will need to watch the whole thing in one go and keep it on hold for the time being. Or would you guy suggest I read the source material? U literally just got 1 chapter of 1 book. Why should it make sense. |
moodie said: 1 chapter of 1 book. Why should it make sense. Just one chapter? I thought it could have covered more since it says 72 chapters in total. So I am guessing this will only cover the first volume. The characters are pretty interesting. I really liked Akane and Kanami. But the character that I really enjoyed the most was Tomo. She seemed like a blend of Shinobu and Tsukihi. I am also assuming the three sisters will have different personalities. The only character that seemed out of place is Ii-chan. He seems to have a rather laid back personality unlike the female characters who were introduced in this episode. |
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| That opening scene though! Jun may not look how I'd like her to be (Take's design just cannot be topped), but it's still pretty good. Rest of the characters look fine too, more or less. Aoi Yuuki is perfect as Kunagisa! The recharging scene was too cute! Only if Ii was voiced by Megumi Ogata.. But Yuki Kaji is actually handling his character well so far. The only thing that sort of bothers me is how much they cut out of the conversation with Akane. Though, I suppose when covering close to 70 pages in a 30-minute episode, some corners had to be cut. Since rest of the chapters aren't as long, they can probably slow down a bit for the following episodes. But if we are to get an adaptation for Kubishime someday, this kind of corner cutting would not cut it. shanimebib said: Can anyone please tell me if I will understand it better later in the anime? This is not the first time I failed to understand a NisioisiN story. The animations are always so distracting, and being so dialogue heavy, I always fail to keep track of what is being said. But the entire Monogatari series is so fascinating I am pretty excited for this one. Maybe I will need to watch the whole thing in one go and keep it on hold for the time being. Or would you guy suggest I read the source material? If you haven't read the novel, my suggestion would be to wait for all 8 episodes to be released before you start watching. Following the series as the episodes come out may be confusing for anime-only watchers. However, if you really want to follow along now, read the source material and then start watching. |
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| The scene with Jun was great! This was better than I expected but not as good I hoped it to be if it makes any sense. I guess I only have myself to blame for that but the amount of content that has been cut out is a bit worrying if they keep it up like that. I'm really surprised that Yuki Kaji did such a good job with Ii. And I bloody hate him. |
| Well, honestly I don't know what I just watched It's Shaft and Akio Watanabe so there is nothing new to say about animation and art (I kinda felt dizzy at some point) I think I'll give the novel a try if it's on the Internet |
xSkipiOct 28, 2016 8:13 AM
| In case you don't know, this is based on the novel that inspired the creator of Danganronpa |
| This was a rather interesting first episode Definitely not a series for everyone |
| I haven't read the book so I have no idea where this is going or how the adaptation was but I really liked it. Becoming a Shaft fanboy tbh. |
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| I thought at first that I won't get anything they are talking about but the anime made a great job to present difficult theories in a easy form. I love Tomo so much but I wish the actor relaxed a bit with her voice... I really feel that the voice is forcing to be high pitch... but when the actor relaxes at some parts and just talks normally the voice is much better imo. |
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| It was good, my only question is why not release it as a TV series? This felt like episode 1 of a TV series, and it was engaging enough that I want another episode next week. But now I need to wait a month for the next one, and that bothers me. If it's a question of quality, then I'd like to think Shaft can handle making 2 series at once. Not that I'd want either 3-gatsu no Lion or Zaregoto to drop in quality, having read 3-gatsu no Lion before the anime aired I know it gets even better as it goes on. It just stinks that I need to wait for monthly episodes, though I guess it's not as bad as Mahoutsukai no Yome. |
| I liked it. Sure, I didn't understand what went on for the most part but I'll read the novels when they re release them. I'm pretty much gonna like this series without a doubt because I love all of Nisio's other works and it's also done by SHAFT. The monthly wait isn't that much of a bother for me. AvidAnimeViewer said: It just stinks that I need to wait for monthly episodes, though I guess it's not as bad as Mahoutsukai no Yome. Ah, you just had to remind me of my suffering. Damn Wit Studio. |
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| I'm pretty interested in reading the novels soon. However, what stood out immediately from the first OVA episode is the music and dialogue usage. Shaft's style to animate this was quite impressive as well imo with the body movements. The character cast all seem interesting so far. Out of all the ones introduced at the moment, I like Kunagisa the most. Ii and his chemistry with her already has my smiling a few times. Pretty entertaining start so far. Akane stands out as an interesting character too. |
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| That was interesting I guess. A bit too confusing start tho. Hope it starts making sense soon. |
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TragicRomance said: That was interesting I guess. A bit too confusing start tho. Hope it starts making sense soon. I'm actually surprised that i didn't find it too confusing. From what i gathered: - this is an island with a lot geniuses thrown together with clashing personalities and ideals - our main character deciding if he matters in this world or his action and opinions rather - his watch stopped running, the last shot though it was definitely a few hours later though than what was first shown. That definitely has some symbolism in it, although i can't put my finger on it what this will mean for him. |
| I've read half of the first volume on the bus, and its so nice to see it animated :D I like the first episode! Can't wait for the second one. |
| And Zaregoto finally gets a adaptation, and it was nice. I'm really sad that they cut Ii's monologues, but oh well, I already thought that they would do that, so that's okay, I think. Yuki Kaji still doesn't suit Ii well, Megumi Ogata would indeed be the best choice after all, but Kunagisa voice is perfect. <3 The character apresentation was good, but didn't actually have the impact like in the novels, but was still amusing to watch. Awww... They cutted Ii-chan and Akane talk about feminism. ): But it would be difficult to extend the dialogue anymore because of the time, so it was a nice choice, the talk wasn't important but it was interesting to see Akane's view on that. The OST is very Kajiura, and the ending is too good! I wanted to hear the opening, tho. Dx Well, 5/5, Shaft did fine. I really hope that they put Ii's monologues in the next episodes, because without them it would be impossible to do the others volumes adaptations, IF they are going to do, that is. lol |
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| Definite AOTS for me too bad it's only 3 episodes per season. |
| This didn't really have much of an impact on me. They introduced everyone in a rather not so engaging way. Everyone in the mansion is a genius and has some degree of weirdness, or at least the MC sees them like that. I liked Kunagisa and how it took exactly five seconds to completely wake up from her sleepy state. She's fun. The others didn't exactly come off as that interesting. There were some fun moments like how the kinpatsu ponytail was reading the guy's mind lol. Typical shaftness in the visual department and that's not a complaint or anything. Looked pretty good overall. |
| Shaft always make great stuff, though we should also thank Nisio Isin, great episode, really interesting, |
| yay maihime voice is back (and ofc in a cute character) =D also easy to see this is shaft cause of the head positions lol let's see how this goes next ova but i might enjoy it |
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| Ooh this looks good. |
| This was so good! Just like I thought it would be!! Loved the character introductions and how "The nonsense user" thinks of himself, just like the novels. I'd love to see Vol 2 Animated in these ovas, cause 8 eps for just 1 novel is too long and besides this novel IMO is the weakest. |
| mmm this looks really good. |
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| Kajiura did a decent job again this time, is not at the same level of her older works like KnK,tsubasa,hack sign but is not that bad like she did whit SAO. I still have hopes that she makes something cool again... But then i remember that since Pandora Hearts (2009) that she doesn make anything "new".... |
| I absolutely loved this! Nisio Isin + Shaft once again making a fantastic art piece that will definitely keep me entertained until the next Monogatari announcement. btw Kunagisa is best waifu and that's a fact |
| Ii-chan sounds amazing once you mute the video! Anyway I would never call this a perfect adaptation. There was a lot of banter cut out; this just made the characters more bland than they should've been. |
standOct 29, 2016 6:41 AM
| Can't say I liked this. I watched it because Okama (one of my favourite artists) did the storyboard, but he's mostly an illustrator, not a cinematographer. Also, I'm not convinced he had a lot of creative freedom in this. It mostly just feels like Shinbo to me. the music was nice, as expected, but I barely have any experience with Isin or Shaft, so the story mostly went over my head. The fact that I do want to see the next episode means they're doing something right though... |
coenraedOct 29, 2016 4:47 AM
| Wow, the first episode was a pretty good adaption. Can't wait to see more of it., but I think I will wait, till all episodes are out. Hopefully after that they will adapt the other books, too. |
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Kreion said: People like this because those who read the novel got what they wanted for the most part. And those who have no knowledge understand that 1 chapter of 1 book with 9 chapters was just adapted. I'm honestly really surprised at how positive the reception has been to this - honestly, even as someone who liked both NisiO and Shaft, I found this to be pretty uninspiring. The art style felt too clean for the OTT story which was being told, the CG was ass and looked worse than Bakemono which came out in 2009. The character designs were meh, voice acting was okay I guess but nothing incredible there either. Even the idea of the story itself felt old, the idea of geniuses and how they interact with people and the real world has been done a fair amount in more recent anime, whilst it might have been more interesting when Zaregoto was written it feels old hat now. To be honest even the style felt stylistic for the sake of being stylistic - unlike other Shaft shows where they use style to emphasise emotions or themes which they want to convey. There was nothing which was stylistically new either, it felt like Shaft 101 - compared to 3-gatsu it's completely uninspired. So yeah, I don't really get why people are praising it right now... The art style and CG is far better than most gatari. And def better than Bake. Bake does have a better director but if you want to compare CG to CG its clear as day Zaregoto is better. If you think you know whats going to pan out from the first chapter you are highly mistaken lol. Its far from an old hat. Making assumptions from 1 chapter is lol worthy. Honestly, you haven't watched much shaft to even pick out their style let alone understand it. The reason why I know this is you are comparing Okada Kenijrou (director of 3gatsu) to Yase Yuki(director of Zaregoto). 2 different staff members with their own distinctive style. So why are people praising it? Because its a clearly better than Gatari(excluding bake and kizu). Yase Yuki has his own style unlike Itamura's poor imitation of Oishi's style. |
| This is actually more preferable than monogatari series. don't get me wrong, i quite liked monogatari series... but, with more passive protagonist and less agressive and progressive *cough*Pretentious*cough* female character, i'm willing to be one of its audience.... I don'tknow about translation... though, Genius Fortune Teller? i was like: what the fuck? I might sound like an ass, but a propper translation based on situation and their age of this 'tensai' might be: Prodigy! I mean how could there be a genius in fortune telling subject? c'mon man? am i wrong or what? *Edit: Wait, she's actually quite old.... now call me weird but, the character design is too missleading... |
opikteaOct 29, 2016 8:43 AM
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| Watching this as an ova is going to be pretty difficult for someone without an ounce of knowledge about the novels like me. |
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Kreion said: There is a difference about being critical and not understanding styles. The CG isnt worse. You just dont like it. Its some of the better CG shaft has done. moodie said: People like this because those who read the novel got what they wanted for the most part. And those who have no knowledge understand that 1 chapter of 1 book with 9 chapters was just adapted. The art style and CG is far better than most gatari. And def better than Bake. Bake does have a better director but if you want to compare CG to CG its clear as day Zaregoto is better. If you think you know whats going to pan out from the first chapter you are highly mistaken lol. Its far from an old hat. Making assumptions from 1 chapter is lol worthy. Honestly, you haven't watched much shaft to even pick out their style let alone understand it. The reason why I know this is you are comparing Okada Kenijrou (director of 3gatsu) to Yase Yuki(director of Zaregoto). 2 different staff members with their own distinctive style. So why are people praising it? Because its a clearly better than Gatari(excluding bake and kizu). Yase Yuki has his own style unlike Itamura's poor imitation of Oishi's style. The pacing was fine - I didn't expect it to be fast so whatever. ? It's not. Trust me, as someone who usually watched anime pretty critically in terms of animation (well, you can argue it's better than Bake since Bake used a lot of still images I guess) and CG it was worse than Bake, because the CG stood out like a sore thumb whereas in Bake it blended much better because they didn't overuse it. I mean even stuff like the camera movement in the start when it was going around the island was pretty jank, there was no real sense of weight to the camera and it felt fake. In terms of art style I guess that's down to preference, but the directing was worse than Bake and it felt like a lot of the stylistic elements were there just to be there. The CG was ass. There's no getting around that, no matter how much you want to deny it. I'm sure plot-wise it will get different, NisiO's stuff normally does, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to judge it based on the content I got. For example, Medaka Box has a pretty meh start but eventually becomes worth reading. Ahahahahahah wow - I mean check my list bro, I've watched a fair amount of their stuff. It doesn't matter which director Shaft uses in that they still keep a lot of stylistic elements across series. That's not hard to work out - works by Shaft should be compared to each other, it doesn't matter which director they used, most people could tell a 'Shafty' show in an instant. I don't think Yase Yuki is a very good director FYI, I think his work often feels like a parody of Shinbou's, far too OTT and empty - though I haven't seen Hidamari Sketch so maybe that has something more to it. Also 'clearly better than gatari' well that remains to be seen, now who's judging it early? Right now this reminds me more of MCA and look how that turned out, a poorly paced mess of a series with pretty meh animation. It also reminds me of Owarimonogatari, which I consider to be the worst arc in terms of direction, in that it comes across as crazy for the sake of crazy rather than actually meaning anything. So basically, this feels like something that Shaft are putting no money into because they have their talent working on other projects. As for the story, I will wait and see what comes of it - but right now it feels like what it is, NisiO's first story...with all the problems that comes with that. I still don't think I would ever call this OVA good. Ya you watched Gatari, Denpa, and SzS. Im not saying this to brag but ive watched everything shaft pre Shinbo as well. Yase Yuki's style can be seen by looking at his storyboard. And its good stuff. If MCA is the only thing your going to call back on you should notice he only SBed 2 episodes. The faults of MCA was the scripts fault and nothing else. If you look at the credits list its for a fact, something objective, that they are hiring better key animators. So again you say you are critical but you make many mistakes. And there is no Shinbo style considering that Shinbo has directed a grand total of 0 works at shaft. And why did I mention it being better than gatari? Because I know the story and from episode 1 its clear that its better directed. So you saying you don't know why people are calling it good, you should understand more about what goes on in the studio, then maybe you can understand why the majority is enjoying it. |
| Like @Kreion said, It's interesting that most people like this as much as they do. There were so many things that had me hyped about this (Shaft, Yuki Kajiura, NisiOisiN,) but I find myself being very bothered by the direction, to the point where I'm being taken out of the show. The camera is constantly moving for no reason, and it's being enabled to do that because it occupies these ugly cg environments, like the style of Kizumonogatari but cheap and poorly done. Just because you can easily move the camera now doesn't mean you should. |
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