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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Hmm a lot of info dump this episode. The Walkure, world developments, Protoculture, etc..I'm also kinda speculating that Mikumo is android or some sort of machine. All the past that connects from events to the present and perhaps future. Wow. Poor Mikumo though, she is in a coma now. Curious to see the White Knight Keith's next move. Ah Mirage, I guess she didn't know that Hayate was awake when she was by his bedside. |
Stark700Aug 7, 2016 7:31 AM
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| So Mikumo is not exactly part of Protoculture itself but an android created by them? Not that surprising. Nice connection to Macross Plus. s Also lots of interesting lore about how songs work that even retroactively explains stuff as far back as SDF Macross. Also interesting implications about Protoculture themselves as a race considering the way they meant to use the songs. And with Var being connected to Vajra and Mao Nome supposedly having died in Vajra attack I am even more suspicious of her fate. And people who whined at the start about Kawamori possibly being blinded by idol culture, I guess we now get to see the dark side that disproves that. |
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| For a cranky old Macross fan like me this episode was pure fanservice goodness!! It's a good job creating a red thread across of all the iterations of Macross. And nice ED to boot. Mikumo being an android was not that much of a surprise at this point. I do wonder what kind of technology they use to put her together. Dat Mirage handholding scene was pretty cute. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| the info dump about song/macross history this episode is pretty difficult to follow if you are newbie that just watching this show solely :D buffet for old fans maybe. nonetheless, nice episode seeing freyja shock about her song is weapon. pretty much cruel when we know from child she always like to sing and always believe with her song. |
megmicaAug 7, 2016 3:02 PM
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Farabeuf said: It's a good job creating a red thread across of all the iterations of Macross. Apparantly Kawamori thought up Mikumo when he was writing "Do You remember Love?". In fact in the movie there's even a remark on how Minmay's song is affecting Zentradi on a genetic level. The confirmation of Protoculture having had the song powers raises interesting questions about their interactions with both Protodevilin and Vajra too...It seems that the failure in interaction might not be because they did not have the means but BECAUSE their intentions were different. They music was not to communicate. It was to control and take over... |
AhenshihaelAug 7, 2016 3:59 PM
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| Okay... but the question I really want an answer to is, is Kaname's torso actually attached to her legs in this fan art? |
Fai said: So Mikumo is not exactly part of Protoculture itself but an android created by them? He said android, but it probably doesn't mean robot. It's most likely a biological creation, and it seems the Protoculture had a whole bunch of them as shown in this picture. Mikumo's one of these ones, or a new one Lady M created out of some Proculture DNA.  |
1idd0kunAug 8, 2016 4:13 PM
| all those throwbacks to previous macross series were awesome, and the connections to delta were nice, including mikumo possibly being an artifically created "weapon". |
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| nice episode! music is used as weapon, hue even tho im a bit of lost since this is the first macross i've watched, Walkure is amazing and im enjoying this |
LuckoBj said: Does any of u guys have any idea of the walkure album for this second part of the series ? The ED for 19th Ep is new so... Need to know fast. Thanks ;) It's one of the tracks from the OP2/ED2 single. |
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| guess they unloaded the past of the prior seasons.... Good to know |
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| So is Lady M one of the previous Macross female lead? I still hope we get to see Sheryl and Ranka if that possible. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| A fine barrage of information, they finally tied the series (properly) to the previous iterations of Macross. In that respect, it truly was an enjoyable episode. On a related note, I hope this was not the swansong of that Epsilon guy. One can conclude that music is a true multi-use weapon, capable of subjugating as well as connecting. |
Zapredon said: Mao Nome maybe? If Lady M is her then that would mean she's been around from Zero to Delta lol.So is Lady M one of the previous Macross female lead? I still hope we get to see Sheryl and Ranka if that possible. |
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| BEST EPISODE EVER! it connected all previous Macross, and it explained all the stuff shown in previous episodes. It was like a walk down memory lane. ..and the music, they chose all the best music tracks from all previous series an All in One episode :D |
AllGamerAug 9, 2016 9:18 PM
| so Mikumo is an android weapon created by this secret Lady M huh |
| What an awesome shocking info dump and reveal dump! Another new ED is also nice! Mirage x Hayate had is good quick moments together! Kumo-Kumo's an android humanoid? so many Macross cameos! 5/5. |
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| i am not surprised the ratio of this series is lower than Macross F this episodes seems a cheap attempt to put the pieces together by admitting that songs had real power on physical world since the very beginning of macross but what's more messed up, is that 58 years after the destruction of the earth, and 54 years after the colonization of the first extraterrestrial planet, the sons and grandsons of the few survivors have already gone nazi, and declared their superiority to the other (few) human nations, (including their fathers, grandfathers and everyone who is older than 55) |
j0x said: so Mikumo is an android weapon created by this secret Lady M huh I'm starting to think Lady M = Minn Mai from Macross 1 or some descendant from Minn Mai For the past few episodes everytime the captain mentioned Lady M, I thought he was refering to Mikumo, but in this episode it was quite clear Mikumo is a test tube baby manufactured to sing, and Lady M, their Boss is another entity that have yet to show her face in the show. |
| big info dump reckon it was needed after the previous episode very nice of them to use the older series music....mirage also starting her counterattack wasnt sure about this series at first but im really enjoying it now |
| SWFC We're all Wednesday arent we? |
AllGamer said: j0x said: so Mikumo is an android weapon created by this secret Lady M huh I'm starting to think Lady M = Minn Mai from Macross 1 or some descendant from Minn Mai Hardly possible as of the Macross that was boarded by Hikaru Ichijou, Misa Hayase and Minmay went Missing, and was never found even in Frontier. The whole sub plot of the sponsor of SMS in Frontier was using the Vajra hive mind link to find Minmay. Referring to time, Lady M should have been in power even before Frontier happened. |
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Aventine said: What sons and grandsons? Windamere people isnt son and grandsons of humans. Maybe is my fault for watching too fast the show Then who they are? The only humanoids should be zeltrans and the few humans who survived the war And their leader claim to "descend" from a legendary idol (that should be around 74 and still alive) |
Aventine said: There are aliens all th way back in Dynmatie 7, Zolans and whatever the half dozen space whale pirates is. Descended? You mean the wind singer stuff and protoculture? The protodevlins of Macross 7 are entities that possess the bodies of other humanoids species By the Way yes, i mean that |
ZeroG said: i am not surprised the ratio of this series is lower than Macross F this episodes seems a cheap attempt to put the pieces together by admitting that songs had real power on physical world since the very beginning of macross I agree on that. It does feel they wasted an entire episode on recapping the series and quote on quote say that Walkure is an important part of the franchise. Meh, I'm not buying this. |
| To be honest, every time I think the show picked up its pace and we gonna get some good stuff. They gotta throw some filler in it. (-_-) I'm not impressed. I liked how the corporate guy have the balls to go straight to Elysion and talk to them BUT WHY THE HECK THERE'S NAIL POLISH ON A GUY????? WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY... There goes the anime budget. Storywise for the episode is pretty meh. 3/5. The typical corporate guy goes to hero base to mess with their moral and hero wakes up stuff... I've just looked up what Kawamori have been doing between Macross F and M.Delta. Apparently, AKB0048... Well, there goes the cash grab. I can't really say Macross Delta is not a Macross but what I can say is: It's the same as Mega Man and Mighty Number 9. It does what it does but at a rather mediocre, wannabe innovative, overhyped and overshadowed by its predecessors. I'm not mad, I'm disappointed by what I was hoping (maybe to the point of getting blind by the former glory that it has lived) at the end of a 8 year wait. I'll stay till the end show but I'm honestly disappointed. |
| Oh lawd here come the elitists. You are not watching the show too fast. You outright are not watching it. Protoculture seeded worlds with species of similar genetic make-up to themselves because their intention was to colonize and assimilate them. Which means the races they created had to be fitting for procreation, as in their DNA had to be similar to Protoculture. The only rational species taht protoculture did not create are Vajra and Protodevilns and they both look and act significantly differently from the rest. YK97 said: To be honest, every time I think the show picked up its pace and we gonna get some good stuff. They gotta throw some filler in it. (-_-) I'm not impressed. > plot development and explanation on key elements of Macross lore > filler K. It's the same as Mega Man and Mighty Number 9. It does what it does but at a rather mediocre, wannabe innovative, overhyped and overshadowed by its predecessors. Orrrr that's just what elitists with rose-tinted glasses want you to think. This shit has been being said about every single Macross after SDF and the franchise is still standing no matter what SDF "muh srs military"(despite SDF being just as silly as this) want people to think. People bitched about AI Idols, People bitched about Basara, People bitched about Sheryl Nome and "pop singers" |
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Fai said: Oh lawd here come the elitists. lawd, here comes the man who disrespect different opinions you are right, im not watching, im going fast fordward in episodes hoping to see some kind of developement that makes sense but dont worry, im not going to follow delta anymore, i quit also trying to explain to you the reasons this is not an evolution of macross but just an idol fan service is pointless so there is no need to discuss anymore, you have your opinion and i do have mine ^_^ i just will leave with a HUGE SPOILER about delta cause i talked with kawamori and i know how will actually end? nope, cause i watched anime for 35 years and how will end is obvious : some enemies will become friends, will understand their mistakes, and will have an happy life full of friendship and love... we will also forget the thousands peoples they slaughtered in the name of space nazism and their birthright over protoculture, cause the power of a love song is stronger than hatred and one or two genocides see you ^_^ |
ZeroGAug 11, 2016 7:20 AM
| This episode made one thing clear to me: That I need to watch all the Macross anime out there as the only Macross I saw besides this was Frontier, and I need to re-watch that as well since it's been a while. |
AllGamer said: j0x said: so Mikumo is an android weapon created by this secret Lady M huh I'm starting to think Lady M = Minn Mai from Macross 1 or some descendant from Minn Mai For the past few episodes everytime the captain mentioned Lady M, I thought he was refering to Mikumo, but in this episode it was quite clear Mikumo is a test tube baby manufactured to sing, and Lady M, their Boss is another entity that have yet to show her face in the show. Another guess might be Myung from Macross Plus? |
Niverdia said: AllGamer said: I'm starting to think Lady M = Minn Mai from Macross 1 or some descendant from Minn Mai For the past few episodes everytime the captain mentioned Lady M, I thought he was refering to Mikumo, but in this episode it was quite clear Mikumo is a test tube baby manufactured to sing, and Lady M, their Boss is another entity that have yet to show her face in the show. Another guess might be Myung from Macross Plus? Myung wasn't even alive during Space War I. Right now, likelihood seems like: New char/Mikumo original>>Mao Nome>SDF girls>>>??? |
QuattroVaginasAug 11, 2016 11:44 AM
| Sieg Zeon! |
| All things considered this was a pretty good episode from a story-telling perspective. I'm actually really happy that they decided to link up all (or most anyway) of the original Macross Timelines to incorporate into the explanation of just what Var and the current threat they are facing is. Makes for a whole lot better of an experience than just the contained periodical conflicts that we sometimes get in this franchise. |
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| Just want to mention that I started crying when I heard WANNA BE AN ANGEL... AND LION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
jackaus said: If recognG had an episode like this, it would made that show make a hell a lot more sense lol . This hahaha that show was a mess |
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