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Jan 25, 8:11 PM
#1
I maintain that the strongest group are the admirals, they have devastating powers and very high level haki, furthermore they were practically selected to oppose the emperors |
Jan 25, 8:25 PM
#2
Leon888 said: I maintain that the strongest group are the admirals, they have devastating powers and very high level haki, furthermore they were practically selected to oppose the emperors As a group admirals. 1v1 Emperors |
Jan 25, 8:25 PM
#3
Leon888 said: I maintain that the strongest group are the admirals, they have devastating powers and very high level haki, furthermore they were practically selected to oppose the emperors Did you watch Marineford or Post-Wano? |
Jan 25, 8:45 PM
#4
Leon888 said: I maintain that the strongest group are the admirals, they have devastating powers and very high level haki, furthermore they were practically selected to oppose the emperors devastating power? ok if you want why not but very high level haki??? 🤣 that's a good joke bro. 1 emperor = 2 admirals. |
Jan 25, 9:39 PM
#5
Reply to Zxstu
Leon888 said:
I maintain that the strongest group are the admirals, they have devastating powers and very high level haki, furthermore they were practically selected to oppose the emperors
I maintain that the strongest group are the admirals, they have devastating powers and very high level haki, furthermore they were practically selected to oppose the emperors
As a group admirals. 1v1 Emperors
@Zxstu Why 1 vs 1 emperors? When has an emperor ever beaten an admiral in 1 vs 1? |
Jan 25, 9:40 PM
#6
Reply to Ripperdoc
Leon888 said:
I maintain that the strongest group are the admirals, they have devastating powers and very high level haki, furthermore they were practically selected to oppose the emperors
I maintain that the strongest group are the admirals, they have devastating powers and very high level haki, furthermore they were practically selected to oppose the emperors
Did you watch Marineford or Post-Wano?
@Ripperdoc Marineford where Kizaru and Kuzan were healthy while Akainu had minor injuries? Post Wano where Kizaru was stronger than Luffy? Yes I saw them |
Jan 25, 9:41 PM
#7
Reply to Wiper91
Leon888 said:
I maintain that the strongest group are the admirals, they have devastating powers and very high level haki, furthermore they were practically selected to oppose the emperors
I maintain that the strongest group are the admirals, they have devastating powers and very high level haki, furthermore they were practically selected to oppose the emperors
devastating power? ok if you want why not but very high level haki??? 🤣 that's a good joke bro.
1 emperor = 2 admirals.
@Wiper91 Nice joke buddy but 1 emperor = 1 admiral and yes admirals have very high level haki, the problem is that we have never seen an admiral fight seriously, the only serious fight we have is off screen between Kuzan and Akainu in PH |
Jan 25, 10:53 PM
#8
Ripperdoc said: Leon888 said: I maintain that the strongest group are the admirals, they have devastating powers and very high level haki, furthermore they were practically selected to oppose the emperors Did you watch Marineford or Post-Wano? Marineford is outdated as in “strength” and “iq”, a lot of the Admirals that were weak then are stronger and smarter now. As such as “post wano” some of them stand somewhat of a chance. Regardless they will serve a great sacrifice and make people emotions filled. |
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Jan 26, 1:32 AM
#10
It's very clear that individually Emperors are more powerful than Admirals. If it won't, then powerscaling will be fucked. World Government already had Admirals and elders. And now there is God's knights too. Who knows how powerful they are? At the very least they can also use teleportation magic. |
Jan 26, 3:18 AM
#12
Leon888 said: @Ripperdoc Marineford where Kizaru and Kuzan were healthy while Akainu had minor injuries? Post Wano where Kizaru was stronger than Luffy? Yes I saw them What about the part where whitebeard kicked akainu's ass or Shanks stopped Akainu and Shanks scared the crap out of aramaki just by his Haki? Did you see One Piece Red? Don't try to make the excuse that it's non-Canon. |
Ruthless_LordJan 26, 3:47 AM
Jan 26, 3:27 AM
#13
Admiral Ryokugyu was destroyed by the haki of a emperor who is far away. They didn't even fight.Remember? |
Jan 26, 3:28 AM
#14
Reply to DillanSmokes
Ripperdoc said:
Did you watch Marineford or Post-Wano?
Leon888 said:
I maintain that the strongest group are the admirals, they have devastating powers and very high level haki, furthermore they were practically selected to oppose the emperors
I maintain that the strongest group are the admirals, they have devastating powers and very high level haki, furthermore they were practically selected to oppose the emperors
Did you watch Marineford or Post-Wano?
Marineford is outdated as in “strength” and “iq”, a lot of the Admirals that were weak then are stronger and smarter now. As such as “post wano” some of them stand somewhat of a chance. Regardless they will serve a great sacrifice and make people emotions filled.
@DillanSmokes I wouldn't say it's obsolete but it's certainly not very clear for powerscaling, just to say Kuzan and Kizaru came out without damage while Akainu had only light damage, the Newgate pirates instead were all injured, tired or dead |
Jan 26, 3:29 AM
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Jan 26, 3:31 AM
#16
Reply to Ruthless_Lord
It's very clear that individually Emperors are more powerful than Admirals. If it won't, then powerscaling will be fucked.
World Government already had Admirals and elders. And now there is God's knights too.
Who knows how powerful they are?
At the very least they can also use teleportation magic.
World Government already had Admirals and elders. And now there is God's knights too.
Who knows how powerful they are?
At the very least they can also use teleportation magic.
@Ruthless_Lord I repeat, where is it written that Emperors > Admirals? When in the manga it is always stated that they are similar in power, furthermore the Gorosei and the Knights of the Gods almost never intervene in conflicts (like Marineford or Wano) |
Jan 26, 3:33 AM
#17
Reply to Mr_Sorcerer
Admiral Ryokugyu was destroyed by the haki of a emperor who is far away. They didn't even fight.Remember?
@Mr_Sorcerer You said it right, they didn't fight, GB retreated because he would have been forced to face 2 emperors and their crews alone in enemy territory... I would love to see anyone in GB's situation not do the same |
Jan 26, 3:35 AM
#18
Leon888 said: @Ruthless_Lord I repeat, where is it written that Emperors > Admirals? When in the manga it is always stated that they are similar in power, furthermore the Gorosei and the Knights of the Gods almost never intervene in conflicts (like Marineford or Wano) Where it is written that Admirals are more powerful than Emperors? If it was clearly stated, then we wouldn't have need to have this argument now, do we? Furthermore god knights haven't intervened in the conflict until now. Gorosei have started since egghead and God knights are also starting in Elbaf and both will continue to do so in the future. |
Jan 26, 3:36 AM
#19
Reply to Ruthless_Lord
Leon888 said:
@Ripperdoc Marineford where Kizaru and Kuzan were healthy while Akainu had minor injuries? Post Wano where Kizaru was stronger than Luffy? Yes I saw them
@Ripperdoc Marineford where Kizaru and Kuzan were healthy while Akainu had minor injuries? Post Wano where Kizaru was stronger than Luffy? Yes I saw them
What about the part where whitebeard kicked akainu's ass or Shanks stopped Akainu and Shanks scared the crap out of aramaki just by his Haki?
Did you see One Piece Red? Don't try to make the excuse that it's non-Canon.
@Ruthless_Lord Newgate where he would kick Kuzan? who was also saved by Jozu while Kuzan was trying to kill him... Shanks stopped Akainu but couldn't stop Kizaru or Kuzan who still tried to kill Luffy... GB wasn't scared of Shanks' haki but he was scared of Shanks' entire crew, in fact he never says Shanks' name in his dialogue. One Piece Red? What should it prove? that the admirals and the red didn't even fight except for 2 hits... |
Jan 26, 3:38 AM
#20
Reply to Ruthless_Lord
Leon888 said:
@Ruthless_Lord I repeat, where is it written that Emperors > Admirals? When in the manga it is always stated that they are similar in power, furthermore the Gorosei and the Knights of the Gods almost never intervene in conflicts (like Marineford or Wano)
@Ruthless_Lord I repeat, where is it written that Emperors > Admirals? When in the manga it is always stated that they are similar in power, furthermore the Gorosei and the Knights of the Gods almost never intervene in conflicts (like Marineford or Wano)
Where it is written that Admirals are more powerful than Emperors? If it was clearly stated, then we wouldn't have need to have this argument now, do we?
Furthermore god knights haven't intervened in the conflict until now. Gorosei have started since egghead and God knights are also starting in Elbaf and both will continue to do so in the future.
@Ruthless_Lord Chapter 907 says that the only ones capable of stopping the emperors are the admirals or the fleet of 7, there is also Kizaru who wanted to go and stop the alliance of Kaido and Big Mom... |
Jan 26, 3:41 AM
#21
The poll results speak volumes to the Yonko's overwhelming superiority on this topic. I go with the Yonko they have way better portrayal than the Admirals do throughout the entire story. 3 Admirals with Shichibukai and a large number of VA's couldn't kill old sick Whitebeard. There is a reason that Kaido was known as the Strongest Creature and no Admirals have had a title as the Strongest Anything. Big Mom was said to be so strong she could have been an Admiral if Carmel would have gotten her to the WG as a youth instead of being eaten alive. Kuzan is an underling/subordinate of Teach for a reason. I do not see him being able to beat current Blackbeard. However, you want to slice it the newest and youngest Yonko just defeated Kizaru in the Egghead arc. Shanks stopped Akainu with ease at Marineford. He also made Greenbull flee from Wano, without accomplishing his mission, from at least a mile away. Again, by Portrayal and the overwhelming vote here show that the Yonko are far superior to the Admirals. It isn't even close as most have said. Admiral agenda has been destroyed. |
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Jan 26, 3:43 AM
#22
Reply to Leon888
@Ruthless_Lord Chapter 907 says that the only ones capable of stopping the emperors are the admirals or the fleet of 7, there is also Kizaru who wanted to go and stop the alliance of Kaido and Big Mom...
@Leon888 Wanting to stop something and actually being able to do it are two completely different things. Are you going to ignore the results of your own poll just because they do not support what you as you though they would? |
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Jan 26, 3:45 AM
#23
Leon888 said: @Ruthless_Lord Chapter 907 says that the only ones capable of stopping the emperors are the admirals or the fleet of 7, there is also Kizaru who wanted to go and stop the alliance of Kaido and Big Mom... In chapter 907 A vice Admiral says "What sort of force would we need to stop them? Admirals? Warlords of the Sea?!" This is not a statement that proves anything, this is just a question by a vice Admiral of the marine. Also kizaru saying about going to stop them and actually stopping them is a 2 different matter. |
Jan 26, 3:49 AM
#24
Bro, it is obvious the emperors are stronger. If they weren't, Marineford would have ended in an instant with admirals murking them. In Marineford, if three admirals are stronger than sick Whitebeard, the war would have been easy. Instead, Kizaru were stopped by a commander which was Marco. Not to mention, the navy even employed Warlords on their side. Countless pacifistas were also in the war. A whole navy squad, including admirals, vice admirals, warlords and even pacifista couldn't even win an easy war. |
Jan 26, 4:01 AM
#25
Reply to Rango17
Bro, it is obvious the emperors are stronger. If they weren't, Marineford would have ended in an instant with admirals murking them. In Marineford, if three admirals are stronger than sick Whitebeard, the war would have been easy. Instead, Kizaru were stopped by a commander which was Marco. Not to mention, the navy even employed Warlords on their side. Countless pacifistas were also in the war. A whole navy squad, including admirals, vice admirals, warlords and even pacifista couldn't even win an easy war.
@Rango17 In fact I don't understand why Marineford didn't end in an instant, Akainu alone was able to face all the commanders of Newgate and Croccodile, while Kizaru could easily beat Newgate, Kuzan was not even known where he ended up while he shot Jozu... Marineford was a total defeat for the Newgate pirates and at the end of the war Kuzan, Kizaru, the fleet of the 7 were unharmed, Akainu had light injuries and Garp and Sengoku had only engaged in a fight with Teach... that's why Marineford doesn't make sense because any admiral could have beaten Newgate, lol |
Jan 26, 4:18 AM
#26
Reply to Ruthless_Lord
Leon888 said:
@Ruthless_Lord Chapter 907 says that the only ones capable of stopping the emperors are the admirals or the fleet of 7, there is also Kizaru who wanted to go and stop the alliance of Kaido and Big Mom...
@Ruthless_Lord Chapter 907 says that the only ones capable of stopping the emperors are the admirals or the fleet of 7, there is also Kizaru who wanted to go and stop the alliance of Kaido and Big Mom...
In chapter 907 A vice Admiral says "What sort of force would we need to stop them? Admirals? Warlords of the Sea?!"
This is not a statement that proves anything, this is just a question by a vice Admiral of the marine. Also kizaru saying about going to stop them and actually stopping them is a 2 different matter.
@Ruthless_Lord Want more examples to convince you that admirals and emperors are put on the same level? -Chap 650 Jinbei communicates that the biggest changes in the new world are about admirals and emperors -Chap 717 Chinjao puts them on the same level -Chap 798 Luffy puts them on the same level -Chap 867 Mother Carmel says that Linlin could be an admiral or grand admiral in terms of strength... -Garp himself was an admiral candidate and Sengoku was, and they were equal to Roger and Newgate in their prime... -Garp himself says that the Navy and the fleet of the 7 are equivalent to the 4 emperors and their crews, and look a bit in the Marines the ultimate strength of the organization are the admirals. Admirals and emperors are always placed on the same level of strength, the peculiarity is that to become an admiral you must necessarily have a tremendous individual strength, while to become an emperor you only need to have a great influence, fleets and territories, individual strength is not guaranteed. |
Jan 26, 4:37 AM
#27
Leon888 said: @Ruthless_Lord Want more examples to convince you that admirals and emperors are put on the same level? -Chap 650 Jinbei communicates that the biggest changes in the new world are about admirals and emperors -Chap 717 Chinjao puts them on the same level -Chap 798 Luffy puts them on the same level -Chap 867 Mother Carmel says that Linlin could be an admiral or grand admiral in terms of strength... -Garp himself was an admiral candidate and Sengoku was, and they were equal to Roger and Newgate in their prime... -Garp himself says that the Navy and the fleet of the 7 are equivalent to the 4 emperors and their crews, and look a bit in the Marines the ultimate strength of the organization are the admirals. Admirals and emperors are always placed on the same level of strength, the peculiarity is that to become an admiral you must necessarily have a tremendous individual strength, while to become an emperor you only need to have a great influence, fleets and territories, individual strength is not guaranteed. They are always talked together because Admirals are the strongest among Navy and Emperors are the strongest among Pirates, this doesn't mean that they are equal in strength. And also don't talk about navy fleet or anything because this discussion is about individual strength, not as a whole fleet. And to become an emperor, you only need great influence, fleets and territories. Individual strength is not needed? Are you really taking this seriously or making fun of us? Can a weakling really have a great influence, fleets and territories? Please use your brain a little and please don't give buggy as an example. It can cause serious damage to my health just by laughing. |
Ruthless_LordJan 26, 4:40 AM
Jan 26, 4:38 AM
#28
Shoulve read the manga properly blud , shanks haki had and admiral on his knees , an old and sick whitebeard beat akainus ass |
Jan 26, 4:43 AM
#29
Reply to logic340
The poll results speak volumes to the Yonko's overwhelming superiority on this topic.
I go with the Yonko they have way better portrayal than the Admirals do throughout the entire story.
3 Admirals with Shichibukai and a large number of VA's couldn't kill old sick Whitebeard.
There is a reason that Kaido was known as the Strongest Creature and no Admirals have had a title as the Strongest Anything.
Big Mom was said to be so strong she could have been an Admiral if Carmel would have gotten her to the WG as a youth instead of being eaten alive.
Kuzan is an underling/subordinate of Teach for a reason. I do not see him being able to beat current Blackbeard.
However, you want to slice it the newest and youngest Yonko just defeated Kizaru in the Egghead arc.
Shanks stopped Akainu with ease at Marineford. He also made Greenbull flee from Wano, without accomplishing his mission, from at least a mile away.
Again, by Portrayal and the overwhelming vote here show that the Yonko are far superior to the Admirals. It isn't even close as most have said.
Admiral agenda has been destroyed.
I go with the Yonko they have way better portrayal than the Admirals do throughout the entire story.
3 Admirals with Shichibukai and a large number of VA's couldn't kill old sick Whitebeard.
There is a reason that Kaido was known as the Strongest Creature and no Admirals have had a title as the Strongest Anything.
Big Mom was said to be so strong she could have been an Admiral if Carmel would have gotten her to the WG as a youth instead of being eaten alive.
Kuzan is an underling/subordinate of Teach for a reason. I do not see him being able to beat current Blackbeard.
However, you want to slice it the newest and youngest Yonko just defeated Kizaru in the Egghead arc.
Shanks stopped Akainu with ease at Marineford. He also made Greenbull flee from Wano, without accomplishing his mission, from at least a mile away.
Again, by Portrayal and the overwhelming vote here show that the Yonko are far superior to the Admirals. It isn't even close as most have said.
Admiral agenda has been destroyed.
@logic340 Let's explain the admirals' agenda: Okay, the fleet of 7 wasn't doing anything in that war, they just eliminated Oars junior - They could have killed Newgate if they wanted, but who knows why they didn't: Chapter 569: Akainu makes a hole in Newgate's stomach but doesn't finish him why? Chapter 571: Kizaru humiliates Newgate by piercing his chest but doesn't finish him why? We don't even know what happens to Kizaru after that And we don't even know where Aokiji was after defeating Jozu... Easy not to die when the author makes the admirals disappear and doesn't make the fleet of 7 do anything, even Mihawk who wanted to face Newagate ends up doing nothing... - In fact Big Mom would have become an admiral, this proves that admirals = emperors - Why couldn't Kuzan have beaten Teach? Teach has poor haki and weak physical stats, in addition to very disappointing feats he was also having problems with S Hawk… Kuzan instead who has an advanced haki and a fantastic fruit would trample Teach badly, even Teach did not want to challenge him because he knew he would lose when he met him while Kuzan was ready to face him and his entire crew -Hahaha he did not defeat him, Kizaru pretended to lose, Oda himself in the SBS of volume 110 confirms that it was Kizaru who gave Luffy food to make him recover… Kizaru did not even engage in that fight while Luffy gave everything he had, lol -Wow Shanks stopped an attack that was aimed at Coby with an Akainu who was not in shape, while look he failed to stop neither Kuzan nor Kizaru from attacking Luffy despite his presence… -Greenbull retreated because he heard Shanks' entire crew nearby and for you he had to face 2 Yonko and their crews alone in enemy territory? Anyone would retreat in a situation like that, just look at Kaido in Marineford who retreats from his mission to hunt down Newgate because of Shanks... Here you can simply see that people don't know how to read the manga and don't know how to evaluate the strength of the characters, but are indoctrinated by a lot of misinformation from the fandom (as you also demonstrated). The admirals' agenda is more alive than ever, and now they are even stronger than the emperors, lol. |
Jan 26, 4:46 AM
#30
Reply to Ruthless_Lord
Leon888 said:
@Ruthless_Lord Want more examples to convince you that admirals and emperors are put on the same level?
-Chap 650 Jinbei communicates that the biggest changes in the new world are about admirals and emperors
-Chap 717 Chinjao puts them on the same level
-Chap 798 Luffy puts them on the same level
-Chap 867 Mother Carmel says that Linlin could be an admiral or grand admiral in terms of strength...
-Garp himself was an admiral candidate and Sengoku was, and they were equal to Roger and Newgate in their prime...
-Garp himself says that the Navy and the fleet of the 7 are equivalent to the 4 emperors and their crews, and look a bit in the Marines the ultimate strength of the organization are the admirals.
Admirals and emperors are always placed on the same level of strength, the peculiarity is that to become an admiral you must necessarily have a tremendous individual strength, while to become an emperor you only need to have a great influence, fleets and territories, individual strength is not guaranteed.
@Ruthless_Lord Want more examples to convince you that admirals and emperors are put on the same level?
-Chap 650 Jinbei communicates that the biggest changes in the new world are about admirals and emperors
-Chap 717 Chinjao puts them on the same level
-Chap 798 Luffy puts them on the same level
-Chap 867 Mother Carmel says that Linlin could be an admiral or grand admiral in terms of strength...
-Garp himself was an admiral candidate and Sengoku was, and they were equal to Roger and Newgate in their prime...
-Garp himself says that the Navy and the fleet of the 7 are equivalent to the 4 emperors and their crews, and look a bit in the Marines the ultimate strength of the organization are the admirals.
Admirals and emperors are always placed on the same level of strength, the peculiarity is that to become an admiral you must necessarily have a tremendous individual strength, while to become an emperor you only need to have a great influence, fleets and territories, individual strength is not guaranteed.
They are always talked together because Admirals are the strongest among Navy and Emperors are the strongest among Pirates, this doesn't mean that they are equal in strength. And also don't talk about navy fleet or anything because this discussion is about individual strength, not as a whole fleet.
And to become an emperor, you only need great influence, fleets and territories. Individual strength is not needed?
Are you really taking this seriously or making fun of us?
Can a weakling really have a great influence, fleets and territories? Please use your brain a little and please don't give buggy as an example. It can cause serious damage to my health just by laughing.
@Ruthless_Lord Buggy is the exception that proves the rule, but Marco was also a candidate to become emperor and did not possess this great strength, just as Teach and Luffy are not strong enough to defeat an admiral or a yonko in their own right... and if you tell me otherwise I have a lot of statements and examples of how they are not... Also it's nice how you give me the example of the fact that admirals and emperors are always put together and yet it is not even written that emperors > admirals, because if it were so show me where it is written? |
Jan 26, 4:49 AM
#31
Reply to Tulleha
Shoulve read the manga properly blud , shanks haki had and admiral on his knees , an old and sick whitebeard beat akainus ass
@Tulleha Where is it that Shanks would have brought an admiral to his knees? You made this up. Hahahahaha Newgate beating Akainu's ass? But if Akainu comes out of that fight almost unscathed and by chance he was beating up all the commanders of Newgate + Crocodile by himself... |
Jan 26, 4:50 AM
#32
Reply to logic340
@Leon888 Wanting to stop something and actually being able to do it are two completely different things. Are you going to ignore the results of your own poll just because they do not support what you as you though they would?
@logic340 I had no expectations from the start, I just wanted to see how many people browsed the manga and didn't understand the power levels. Poor Oda must have such stupid fans... |
Jan 26, 5:13 AM
#33
Leon888 said: @Ruthless_Lord Buggy is the exception that proves the rule, but Marco was also a candidate to become emperor and did not possess this great strength, just as Teach and Luffy are not strong enough to defeat an admiral or a yonko in their own right... and if you tell me otherwise I have a lot of statements and examples of how they are not... Also it's nice how you give me the example of the fact that admirals and emperors are always put together and yet it is not even written that emperors > admirals, because if it were so show me where it is written? As I said if it was explicitly written, we won't need to have an argument. Also there is nowhere written that Admirals are more powerful than Emperors. And I can't even talk about buggy because if you are using buggy, then you clearly don't know why he was chosen as an emperor. Buggy was also chosen as a shichibukai. Can anyone without power also become a shichibukai. You need to watch or read again One Piece. It was mentioned that marco had a headstart but he never became an emperor so what are you even talking about? Also how did blackbeard and luffy are weaker than admirals. Blackbeard has never fought one, no one even know how much powerful he really is. How can anyone say he is weaker? And luffy vs kizaru was a draw, luffy is definitely not weaker. And if you see the end result he kicked kizaru's ass while he himself was tired but uninjured even when he was fighting kizaru and the elder solo. |
Jan 26, 5:19 AM
#34
Leon888 said: @Tulleha Where is it that Shanks would have brought an admiral to his knees? You made this up. Hahahahaha Newgate beating Akainu's ass? But if Akainu comes out of that fight almost unscathed and by chance he was beating up all the commanders of Newgate + Crocodile by himself... Read chapter 1055, Shanks's scared the crap out of Green bull, he was sweating while bending backwards and keeping his hand in a surrender pose, all just by shanks's Haki. If that is not the signs of weak, then I don't know what is. |
Jan 26, 6:09 AM
#35
me new to onepiece |
Jan 26, 6:16 AM
#36
Reply to Leon888
@logic340 I had no expectations from the start, I just wanted to see how many people browsed the manga and didn't understand the power levels. Poor Oda must have such stupid fans...
@Leon888 You're one of those. I did not even realize it when I posted. There is no helping you so I will see myself out. You weren't being genuine when you started this thread. You should hang out on Worst Gen you would fit in great. |
logic340Jan 26, 6:36 AM
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Jan 26, 6:46 AM
#37
I don’t think any Admiral besides Akainu (even though he’s fleet admiral) can beat a yonko without much difficulty. All the other guys lack the strength to beat them. |
Jan 26, 6:59 AM
#38
Reply to Leon888
@Tulleha Where is it that Shanks would have brought an admiral to his knees? You made this up.
Hahahahaha Newgate beating Akainu's ass? But if Akainu comes out of that fight almost unscathed and by chance he was beating up all the commanders of Newgate + Crocodile by himself...
Hahahahaha Newgate beating Akainu's ass? But if Akainu comes out of that fight almost unscathed and by chance he was beating up all the commanders of Newgate + Crocodile by himself...
@Leon888 First of all, yes it is true, Shanks did bring an admiral to his knees though not canon but from what we have seen in the show, I have no doubt he definitely can bring an admiral like kizaru or green bull to their knees simply with his conquerors haki. Second. Akainu did not come out of the fight almost unscathed. After one punch from Whitebeard with NO HAKI, Akainu is beat. He was not fighting all the commanders of Newgate + Crocodile “by himself”, that’s why there were 100k marine soldiers, all 4 admirals, fleet admiral, and the seven warlords. And none of those guys were enough to kill Teach, he had to get jumped by the black beard pirates with half his face missing and thousands of gunshot and sword wounds. |
Jan 26, 8:03 AM
#39
well shanks made an admiral unable to move further with just observation haki from probably tens or even hundreds of miles away ( average island in one piece is about a continent) and Luffy probably can also defeat admirals and in buggy's crew mihawk can at least defeat one or two ( he was rival of shanks) and if black beard had a prep time he will play games in order to defeat them so emperors are stronger |
Jan 26, 9:01 AM
#40
Leon888 said: @Wiper91 Nice joke buddy but 1 emperor = 1 admiral and yes admirals have very high level haki, the problem is that we have never seen an admiral fight seriously, the only serious fight we have is off screen between Kuzan and Akainu in PH No man, 1 emperor = 2 admirals if you think otherwise you didn't understand OP and with all the comments I read from you, your level of understanding is catastrophic... your cooked I don't even know how some people can think like you 😐.. |
Jan 26, 9:25 AM
#41
Jan 26, 11:12 AM
#42
Reply to Ruthless_Lord
Leon888 said:
@Ruthless_Lord Buggy is the exception that proves the rule, but Marco was also a candidate to become emperor and did not possess this great strength, just as Teach and Luffy are not strong enough to defeat an admiral or a yonko in their own right... and if you tell me otherwise I have a lot of statements and examples of how they are not...
Also it's nice how you give me the example of the fact that admirals and emperors are always put together and yet it is not even written that emperors > admirals, because if it were so show me where it is written?
@Ruthless_Lord Buggy is the exception that proves the rule, but Marco was also a candidate to become emperor and did not possess this great strength, just as Teach and Luffy are not strong enough to defeat an admiral or a yonko in their own right... and if you tell me otherwise I have a lot of statements and examples of how they are not...
Also it's nice how you give me the example of the fact that admirals and emperors are always put together and yet it is not even written that emperors > admirals, because if it were so show me where it is written?
As I said if it was explicitly written, we won't need to have an argument. Also there is nowhere written that Admirals are more powerful than Emperors.
And I can't even talk about buggy because if you are using buggy, then you clearly don't know why he was chosen as an emperor. Buggy was also chosen as a shichibukai. Can anyone without power also become a shichibukai. You need to watch or read again One Piece.
It was mentioned that marco had a headstart but he never became an emperor so what are you even talking about?
Also how did blackbeard and luffy are weaker than admirals. Blackbeard has never fought one, no one even know how much powerful he really is. How can anyone say he is weaker?
And luffy vs kizaru was a draw, luffy is definitely not weaker. And if you see the end result he kicked kizaru's ass while he himself was tired but uninjured even when he was fighting kizaru and the elder solo.
@Ruthless_Lord It's not written in fact I've always said that they are on the same level of strength but I see the admirals stronger because they were chosen to oppose the emperors and so far no emperor has ever managed to defeat an admiral... Bro literally they had chosen Teach who had 0 cuts to become a shichibukai, even though he had brought Ace... the shichibukai also had Moria and Hanafuda who were weak, so they chose them randomly haha. I said that Marco was a candidate for emperor... just read Literally Teach had difficulty even with S Hawk and Law, who are worse than an admiral and he had escaped from Akainu and was afraid to face Kuzan and old Rayleigh... I mean Shanks makes Greenbull run away = poor admirals, if it's the admirals who make Teach run away = Teach is not weak. Explain to me how it works? While Luffy went extreme with a Kizaru who wasn't even trying and that same Kizaru even had to give him food to make him recover... if Kizaru had been serious he could have killed Luffy whenever he wanted, saying it was a draw is absurd considering that Kizaru literally did everything to be defeated. |
Jan 26, 11:15 AM
#43
Reply to Ruthless_Lord
Leon888 said:
@Tulleha Where is it that Shanks would have brought an admiral to his knees? You made this up.
Hahahahaha Newgate beating Akainu's ass? But if Akainu comes out of that fight almost unscathed and by chance he was beating up all the commanders of Newgate + Crocodile by himself...
@Tulleha Where is it that Shanks would have brought an admiral to his knees? You made this up.
Hahahahaha Newgate beating Akainu's ass? But if Akainu comes out of that fight almost unscathed and by chance he was beating up all the commanders of Newgate + Crocodile by himself...
Read chapter 1055, Shanks's scared the crap out of Green bull, he was sweating while bending backwards and keeping his hand in a surrender pose, all just by shanks's Haki. If that is not the signs of weak, then I don't know what is.
@Ruthless_Lord If you actually read chapter 1055 you would know that Greenbull never mentions Shanks once, but always says he feels the presence of the red pirates, a sign that Greenbull was not afraid of Shanks' haki, he was afraid of facing an entire crew of a yonko, considering that he was also facing another one in enemy territory, what did you want him to do? retreating was the most logical choice. nice how Kaido did the same in the Marineford saga with Shanks but no one ever mentions him, who knows why... |
Jan 26, 11:16 AM
#44
Reply to logic340
@Leon888 You're one of those. I did not even realize it when I posted. There is no helping you so I will see myself out. You weren't being genuine when you started this thread. You should hang out on Worst Gen you would fit in great.
@logic340 If you get up just because I debunked your points it means you didn't believe it from the beginning, but strangely now that I have demonstrated the strength of the admirals you run away... who knows why 😂 |
Jan 26, 11:28 AM
#45
Reply to Orangeblobfish
@Leon888 First of all, yes it is true, Shanks did bring an admiral to his knees though not canon but from what we have seen in the show, I have no doubt he definitely can bring an admiral like kizaru or green bull to their knees simply with his conquerors haki.
Second. Akainu did not come out of the fight almost unscathed. After one punch from Whitebeard with NO HAKI, Akainu is beat. He was not fighting all the commanders of Newgate + Crocodile “by himself”, that’s why there were 100k marine soldiers, all 4 admirals, fleet admiral, and the seven warlords. And none of those guys were enough to kill Teach, he had to get jumped by the black beard pirates with half his face missing and thousands of gunshot and sword wounds.
Second. Akainu did not come out of the fight almost unscathed. After one punch from Whitebeard with NO HAKI, Akainu is beat. He was not fighting all the commanders of Newgate + Crocodile “by himself”, that’s why there were 100k marine soldiers, all 4 admirals, fleet admiral, and the seven warlords. And none of those guys were enough to kill Teach, he had to get jumped by the black beard pirates with half his face missing and thousands of gunshot and sword wounds.
@Orangeblobfish When did it happen? The only time I saw Shanks bring someone to their knees was in the movie red with Momonga and he was just a vice admiral… Also you overestimate Shanks a lot if you think that his haki alone is enough to bring Kizaru or Greenbull to their knees, Kizaru was not afraid to go to Wano to face Kaido and Big Mom, while Greenbull instead defeated Weevil who is said to have a strength equal to that of Newgate in the prime… If Shanks were to win it would be im extreme diff in both cases. Bro how did Newgate hit Akainu without haki if Akainu is a rogia? Also no he wasn't defeated he just fell because the ground beneath him collapsed and we know that Akainu can't fly, while he melted half of Newgate's head, on the contrary Akainu only received light damage from Newgate and you can see this as 2 chapters Akainu goes back up and fights with everyone, and yes you see him fighting alone with the commanders of Newgate only that it is off screen, there is also Akainu who says: "do you think you can stop me?" Also you always bring misinformation when you write, the warlords were 5 and for the whole war they did nothing, Sengoku and Garp the same, Kuzan and Kizaru what did they do in the whole war? Kuzan only defeated Jozu and then disappeared who knows where, Kizaru was humiliating Newgate but then he also disappeared who knows where when he could have killed him, the 100k soldiers don't count for anything with strong individuals. Garp and Sengoku would stop Teach unless you support Teach > Garp and Sengoku. And yes admirals can defeat emperors 1 vs 1 |
Jan 26, 11:35 AM
#46
Reply to ___prabh
well shanks made an admiral unable to move further with just observation haki from probably tens or even hundreds of miles away ( average island in one piece is about a continent) and Luffy probably can also defeat admirals and in buggy's crew mihawk can at least defeat one or two ( he was rival of shanks) and if black beard had a prep time he will play games in order to defeat them so emperors are stronger
@___prabh This is not true, Shanks did not disable Greenbull from moving, he just caught him off guard and Greenbull was scared of Shanks' crew not Shanks' haki which was only a few kilometers away (they were close to the coast). Teach was scared of facing Kuzan and had a hard time with S Hawk and Law who are weaker than an Admiral. Luffy faced Kizaru at Egghead and was unable to beat him, Kizaru even had to fake a KO to give Luffy a chance. Admirals are as powerful as Emperors but right now they have the advantage when it comes to strength with the current Emperors |
Jan 26, 11:37 AM
#47
Reply to Wiper91
Leon888 said:
@Wiper91 Nice joke buddy but 1 emperor = 1 admiral and yes admirals have very high level haki, the problem is that we have never seen an admiral fight seriously, the only serious fight we have is off screen between Kuzan and Akainu in PH
@Wiper91 Nice joke buddy but 1 emperor = 1 admiral and yes admirals have very high level haki, the problem is that we have never seen an admiral fight seriously, the only serious fight we have is off screen between Kuzan and Akainu in PH
No man, 1 emperor = 2 admirals if you think otherwise you didn't understand OP and with all the comments I read from you, your level of understanding is catastrophic... your cooked I don't even know how some people can think like you 😐..
@Wiper91 I don't understand what I said wrong, the only thing you do is say 1 emperor = 2 admirals which is not true because it is not written anywhere and judge my opinions on what basis? That I read the manga unlike you. 1 admiral = 1 emperor has always been like this |
Jan 26, 11:38 AM
#48
Jan 26, 11:46 AM
#49
Reply to Leon888
@Wiper91 I don't understand what I said wrong, the only thing you do is say 1 emperor = 2 admirals which is not true because it is not written anywhere and judge my opinions on what basis? That I read the manga unlike you. 1 admiral = 1 emperor has always been like this
@Leon888 In the beginning Admirals + Shichibukai vs Yonkou. There is the Rocks vs Navy + Roger to guide yourself too. In Marineford, Shanks and crew coming was enough to stop the war. Supposing they go 1v1 without crew after time skip in the manga, we had a lot of demonstrations of the power tilting toward the Yonkou, for example Dressrosa, and the end of Wano Arc. Egghead arc also shows a Yonkou beating a admiral. The fact that there are only 3 admirals and 4 yonkou, and the yonkou crew composition, since you read the manga, should be enough to say yonkou have power advantage. |
Jan 26, 2:27 PM
#50
Reply to Leon888
@logic340 I had no expectations from the start, I just wanted to see how many people browsed the manga and didn't understand the power levels. Poor Oda must have such stupid fans...
@Leon888 you didn't debunk anything tho. You're just a yonko denier. You made this thread to push your Admiral agenda not to actually have a discussion about it. I and many others have shown you proof that Yonko >>> Admiral and your replies amount to "you don't know how to read." None of the evidence from the manga is going to change your mind. You didn't want genuine conversation you wanted to talk down to people. I can already see this discussion is heading nowhere, I fell for your bait, I admit it, but now I'm done. Enjoy arguing a moot point it's what you clearly came here for. |
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