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Dec 23, 5:58 AM
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Wow, this arc reached a personal evel for Ron. The fact that his father is a criminal hurts for Ron to know.

Also, I find it interesting that Toto is picking up the slack this episode and this seems to be his last case as a detective. At least Ron is able to regain himself again. This arc really did get more complicated than what it was.
Dec 23, 7:58 AM
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I hate this Lily woman, just because Ron resembles a criminal she met SEVENTEEN YEARS AGO, where does she get off on accusing Ron of being the killer just because of that?

Also, the criminals on this show are so stupid; if you’re trying to proclaim your own innocence, you shouldn’t act so smug when being confronted
Dec 23, 8:09 AM
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I just realized that this is the alternate universe where Holmes and Moriarty exist in real life.
Dec 23, 8:16 AM
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Sooooo.... Ron wants nothing to do with M, despite everything, but.... is intent on giving up being on the right side of the law... despite everything? I'm sorry, but how does this make sense? If anything, personal choice is the greatest of weapons against a pre-ordained fate, to stick it to those who want you on a specific path instead of doing whatever the heck you want. Especially in such a case, where you'd be using their own assets, their own wasted resources, against them.

Also... Toto bumbles about all this time and is mostly just a megaphone for Ron's deductions, because Ron was banned from doing what he's doing... And after he's obviously stuck in this contrived plot when Ron shuts down... he's suddenly able to see through whatever this Big Lie™️ is? I'm sorry, but how does this make sense?

I dunno, might just be this case is stretched way too thin... might just be I'm missing some of the other characters (Spitz pls where are you?)... but whatever's going on here just doesn't click.
Dec 23, 9:06 AM
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Damn so it was Tiger Dan huh, didn’t see that one coming ngl, I guess that means the chef was innocent after all, he sure was insistent he was hired help lol. I really like this tho, I like when I can be really surprised by who the culprit is, and really all the pieces were there to figure it out, of course I’m not smart enough to crack the case on my own but still lol, and I found it to be a very cleverly set up case with the murders being made to look like the dishes actually being an accident, that really was the key to solving the whole thing, it just seemed too perfect to be an accident but it wasn’t so perfect after all.

But as cool as this mystery was, it is a shame to see Ron so shook by Dan’s accusations of Ron being a criminal just because of his blood, I know it’s a big deal for Ron but from the outside it seems like the obvious answer is to go against that and do better than your dad and the family you come from, you aren’t a criminal just because your family is lol. But apparently Toto has seen through Dan’s “lie”, not sure if he’s bluffing or not but this will definitely play a big role in helping Ron overcome this in the finale, he can’t just quit being a detective after all that’s happened, I’m sorry Ron but sleuthing is etched into your soul lol.
Dec 23, 9:52 AM
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Y'know should've figured out its Tiger Dan from the get go since Koyasu's voicing him lol.Since this was a House M situation,they should've caught him off guard and apprehended him BEFORE they started explaining.

Always a laugh how comical it is when the culprit acting obviously high and mighty while denying they did it.But at least in this case it makes perfect sense for the person to do so.
Dec 23, 10:14 AM
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its so over Lily never died, Overall this episode wasn't as good as I was hoping because it just went back to Ron solving everything but the ending got me hyped up.
Dec 23, 10:24 AM
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So I'm not the only on board of the "I hate Lily" train, good.
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Dec 23, 12:00 PM
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Don't you just hate it when the most obnoxious character not only is innocent but also don't get killed?
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Dec 23, 1:13 PM

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I don't understand the cliche that if someone's other parent/relative was an evil criminal it would determine the child's whole being. Like um, doesn't Ron's mother line matter at all? Like now that it's seemingly revealed his father was part of House M he is suddenly so bad and he is doomed to be a criminal? Doesn't his feats so far matter at all? Or, if we go by that logic 'my father is evil, I too must be evil', shouldn't it be the same 'my mother was good, so I must be good'? Ugh, I just despite this cliche where the logic is thrown out of the window. I seriously hoped Toto would have slapped the silly out of Ron by saying 'but your Mother belonged to the Sherlock line, so maybe that matters?' I seriously hope in the next episode Toto will slap the silly out of Ron by revealing something that will prove he can be a good and detective. At least the episode ended with that note, so I'm hopeful Toto will "save" Ron.
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Dec 23, 1:14 PM

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I knew it, Ron’s mom is a Holmes. Man makes you wonder how tf she got with the dad.

This Lily bitch had me about to snap all episode long tho. where tf does she get off accusing Ron of a crime just because he look like someone from 17 years ago when we’ve already established it can’t be him based on age. ALSO, the irony of being upset when you’re literally accessory to the crime is hilarious. You had no issue taking the payment back then, now you wanna be a hero.

Tiger Dan being the culprit really wasn’t a surprise. It didn’t even feel like he was trying to hide it, plus he’s literally voiced by Dio, cmon now lol. This mission was more about getting Ron to stray from his detective path and come to the dark side than anything else. What the House of M haven’t calculated is the impact Toto has on Ron. He’s not gonna fall with Toto at his side keeping him on the straight and narrow.

Can’t wait to see how things go next week int he finale
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Dec 23, 2:32 PM

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great ep

so he killed only for that reason???

wow

give me the next ep, come on...
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Dec 23, 4:48 PM
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Whoaaaa it was Tiger????? I lowkey kept thinking that the chef was the murderer bc well…bro looked HELLA suspicious man I mean everything was just working out for the dude and he kept saying “im just hired help” and I kept thinking that’s such a convenient excuse but I guess bro wasn’t the culprit at all💀💀💀

So I guess I’m not the only one annoyed asf at Lily she’s so annoying and loud and quick to leave and judge things herself without giving a single thought about her actions and her blaming Ron kept pissing me off man, like who does she think she is man can’t believe the most annoying one stayed alive, she should’ve been dead instead of the old Gardner dude🙄

So this House of M shit is getting pretty serious just hearing Dio’s voice act all high and mighty was giving me goosebumps man, Moriarty is truly a worthy foe against Ron man that dude has every chess piece in his hands and doesn’t get caught at all I can’t wait to see the last episode and what happens after this whole dinner and if the culprit is gonna escape or not👀👀👀👀

My only gripe with this season is how this season only paid attention to the House of M in the beginning of the season and the last episode of this season I was we’d get at least some from Moriarty but we’ve barely seen bro at all😕 let’s hope s3 gives us more House of M content
Dec 23, 4:53 PM
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So I'm not the only on board of the "I hate Lily" train, good.
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Dec 23, 9:47 PM
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Ron should just get it together. Just because he was trained to be a criminal doesn't mean he is one. It's only after the fact that you commit your first crime that you are one. Some of the best detectives are trained in things he knows, so it's easier be able to figure out how criminal did a crime or even to spot a crime.
Dec 23, 10:02 PM

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I didn't see Tiger being the murderer as I had pegged either the 17 year old girl or the chef but here we are. While Ron's dad is from the House of M hopefully Toto will remind Ron that his mother is from the Holmes side so Ron really has a choice to make and does deserves to continue sleuthing if he so wishes which he does.
Dec 24, 12:42 PM
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Ron giving up being a detective over this Moriarty relationship is so dumb lol. “I was raised to be a criminal mastermind.” Get over it bro.
Dec 25, 9:41 AM
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Nice reasoning and logic
Dec 25, 12:11 PM
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Interesting deductions and conclusion, but I agree, Ron needs to listen to what Dumbledore told Harry, something like "It is our choices that determine who we are, far more than our abilities"; if he's fighting crime rather than committing it, then he's not a criminal, plain and simple
Yesterday, 4:32 AM
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The penultimate episode of season two sees Ron declaring he is done with sleuthing after this case. We learnt that his mother is from the Holmes family. Who is pulling all the strings of the murder 17 years ago and now at the auberge? House of M is definitely involved but is it Ron's dad?
Yesterday, 8:22 AM

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Yep definitely the best case in this season. The scar on his neck makes sense and his past is getting revealed.

The deductions were great. Glad that Ron snapped out of it but I kinda wish that Toto solved it on his own somehow.

Now that Tiger has been caught he surely has a plan. Mia might want to let go of that teddy bear. Curious what Toto caught onto that Ron didn't even catch.

Plus, the fact that this was all planned out 17 years ago is kind of nuts. These people could've died a long time ago and the so-called 'no evidence left behind' policy that the House of M supposedly have is hilarious given they had outside help to kill people and not dispose of said people afterwards.

On another note, whenever Tiger says Objection, it brings me back to Ace Attorney XD.
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Yesterday, 9:38 PM

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So it was Tiger huh, I wonder what did Toto meant by he was lying.
I think maybe Tiger is acting on his own, cause I feel like Milo would want Ron to be a detective just so that he can have a rival lol.

Also why would Ron want to stop being a detective? isn't having the mind of a "criminal" a nice skill to have cause you can think in their pov? tho I guess that goes the other way around too huh.

I do hope Tiger ends this by completing the menu.

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