Chi. Chikyuu no Undou ni Tsuite Episode 13 Discussion

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Dec 24, 7:30 PM

#51

Mackyreels

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I want moaang as key animator or episode director on orb

Yesterday, 12:23 AM

#52

Sigmar-Unberogen

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Crazy... how the heck did Oczy survive?

Anyways, Baden got captured too.

It looks like Nowak's daughter will be the last survivor perhaps, to continue research?

Nowak should know Badeni could but didn't rat out his daughter. He'll definitely sing a different song if his daughter is accused of heresy one day.

I wonder if that's where the story is going and we'll have father vs daughter arc.

Yesterday, 3:09 AM

#53

sakurasyinks

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What a grim episode. This got me goosebumps all over. Scared for them both 😢

Yesterday, 9:42 AM

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paravel

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I'm always tense watching this show man. I thought for a few seconds Oczy was going to die when he got shot with those arrows. And the way Badeni was caught... I could actually feel his emotion during that whole scene when Oczy was being tortured to get Badeni to talk. Since Nowak knew Badeni was the type that wouldn't break if he himself was tortured... It really makes me respect Badeni a lot more, especially also when he covered for Jolenta. I was sure he would have ratted her out after he said he would in previous episodes had it come to this (perhaps he had been bluffing to calm Oczy down, or he grew to care about Jolenta enough to change his mind). Either way, that surprised me and showed me how complex he is as a character. Especially since she is Nowak's daughter, so he might not have treated her as badly as he does the other heretics. It's true what they say, that we get to see who a man really is by who he becomes in the face of pressure. These moments show how Badeni has very strong feelings even if he doesn't show them as much in his expressions.

It reminds me of when he throws up after finding out something he was searching for, obsessively, and how excited he got after completing the theory. He conserves his emotional energy for things that really move him, and I resonate with that. He is sometimes hard to read, like when he says very logical things that seems like he is ignoring emotions, but I don't think he is. It is proved that he feels very strongly about things he may in the end burn or otherwise get rid of for the sake of safety. He's just a very smart individual who understands the rules of the society he lives in, especially as a Monk who was demoted and had his eye blinded for being found out in his desire for knowledge. If that had happened to me, I wouldn't want any evidence being left behind that could have ratted me or anyone out either. He burns Oczy's book for his own safety, and Nowak seems to know all of this, because he ends up torturing Oczy instead of him. It's like saying "your efforts were for nothing, he's suffering anyway." I could feel how nervous he was being interrogated, even if he appears as calm as ever. It could very much be a very trained behaviour. In that society, showing things on your face could very well get you killed. Intense moments like these prove how much Badeni cares for people close to him, and how he might even put his own safety on the line for them.

Yesterday, 10:08 AM

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Missed two weeks finally caught up lemme appreciate the character development of Oczy.
The dude whose only words are "heavan is best" sacrificed all and ready for "hell" just to protect his beloved and inspiration on Heliocentrism. The dream sequence was quite good. The thing Oczy wanted most of was freedom. Which he finally achieved through this. Badeni trying to stop him and then send him off with a prayer 🥲🫡
Oczy fought well even took down Nowak but it needed too much plot armour to him escape tbf. But Badeni got caught too.
Now he's claiming he burned everything which will make future research difficult but Nowak maybe onto something. Next one should be Intresting expecting something big and worried for the inevitable

Nowak is one hell of an antagonist..

Yesterday, 12:11 PM

#56

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Sheer predictability and drawn out dialogues is making this a chore to watch, but the tense ambient soundtracks (however semi-generic they are) and a few VA performances make this work. Not really interested in these two's fate, but the moot point is how the message will go forward to the next generation.

If the priest has truly destroyed the material, that's the end of legacy (there seems to be only one).

If the priest was lying to Oczy about the materials to protect him (or simply remove his headache by keeping everything to himself), this region's only effective inquisitor will torture his "friend' in front of him until he speaks. There, end of legacy.

So the entire truth is somewhere in the middle, where the church finding the box and executing these two doesn't matter in the long run. Feels pretty easy to accomplish that from a writing point of view.

Don't think Jolenta is getting spared. If the series has sufficient brain cells put into it, it knows our "antagonist" needs a shake up for things to not feel stale.

"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo

Yesterday, 7:35 PM

#57

what-is-animu

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This episode in particular reminded me how much I despise the Catholic Church.

Today, 7:33 AM

#58

ApenasunFan

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Oczy put up a good fight and got cheated. Seems Oczy turned out to be a lot more clever than Badeni in social matters seeing all his predictions are correct. I'm not sure if keeping out Jolenta's involvement is the smart move or a dumb move. Even if one were to assume Badeni had a turn of heart it would be reasonable to think such a father as Nowak in how he behaves may not do harm to his daughter, however he also may react violently.

@traed Oczy killed other inquisitors so they will be executed anyway, only if they wanted to drag Jolenta into the grave with them.

Today, 11:06 AM

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@traed Oczy killed other inquisitors so they will be executed anyway, only if they wanted to drag Jolenta into the grave with them.

@ApenasunFan
That's only if Nowak tells others. They were left alone with him.

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11 hours ago

#60

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what-is-animu said:
This episode in particular reminded me how much I despise the Catholic Church.

I am Catholic but please, if you hate the church because an anime says so, there is a problem and then the story of this very very good anime, is not 100% copied from true History.
Catholics in majority are not and have never been like that.

7 hours ago

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paravel

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what-is-animu said:
This episode in particular reminded me how much I despise the Catholic Church.

Totally understand this sentiment lol. No offense or shade to any catholics or religious people in general but good god the shit people have done and continue to do for the sake of religion, or through the basis of organized religion, is absolutely insane. I’ve personally had enough of my ancestors persecuted for having different beliefs, and even now getting put through the wringer for being the one in my family to not believe in certain things— this anime speaks to me.

paravel7 hours ago

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