Problem with Emilia

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Nov 6, 2024 4:08 PM

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I don‘t know if I missed something but shouldn‘t Emilia know who Regulus is? I mean he was clearly present in her flasback in Season 2. And she did see him more than enough. She did keep her memories of that right or am I forgetting something? I‘m just very confused. Also please no spoilers since I‘m anime only.

Nov 6, 2024 4:36 PM

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in the web novel regulus was supposed to have a forgettable appearance and Emilia didn't see him that much in the trial, but then the character designer gave him the highest caliber of drip

Nov 6, 2024 4:37 PM

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I think someone already explained that in another thread, but in summary, Emilia doesn't remember regulus because she only saw him for a few minutes a really long time ago, in a situation where she was blinded by rage. Furthermore, regulus is a very average looking guy in the rezero verse, so it would be kinda weird that she'd remember him
Excuse my English, I'm still learning

Nov 6, 2024 4:47 PM

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Kieran98 said:
I don‘t know if I missed something but shouldn‘t Emilia know who Regulus is?

You really think Emilia would remember someone she saw a few weeks ago? She's not that bright..

Nov 6, 2024 4:56 PM

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Kieran98 said:
I don‘t know if I missed something but shouldn‘t Emilia know who Regulus is? I mean he was clearly present in her flasback in Season 2.

I think it's implied that her memory of the trial is pretty shaky and hard to confront still. You'd think she would have told Subaru about the trial literally the next day otherwise, especially considering Pandora basically promised to come back for her someday. Seems like prescient information for your camp to be aware of.

But also, as mentioned in another thread, and despite his very clearly not average character design, Regulus is described in the novels as being almost as nondescript as a human could possibly be, so remembering him is hard.

Nov 6, 2024 6:53 PM

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I think that she doesn’t remember Regulus since Pandora altered everything and said that “Regulus wasn’t there” at all. Since he wasn’t “even there” in the first place, how’d she remember him. Get it?

Nov 6, 2024 9:03 PM

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Teruki_Inoue said:
I think that she doesn’t remember Regulus since Pandora altered everything and said that “Regulus wasn’t there” at all. Since he wasn’t “even there” in the first place, how’d she remember him. Get it?

Well that's a creative reasoning, but then Fortuna and Geuse wouldn't be able to react to his sudden dissapperance as they did.

All Pandora did was make Emilia forget about her.

"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo

Nov 6, 2024 11:34 PM

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Why are people still confused about this?
Pandora literally can manipulate memories, so she made Emilia forget everything that happened in the forest, including the very existence of Pandora and Regulus, because she hoped she will be able to start over convincing her to break the seal.

Nov 6, 2024 11:46 PM

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Pieromysl said:
Why are people still confused about this?
Pandora literally can manipulate memories, so she made Emilia forget everything that happened in the forest, including the very existence of Pandora and Regulus, because she hoped she will be able to start over convincing her to break the seal.

then what about the trial yeah she made her forget her past but in the trial didn't she regained her memories??

Nov 6, 2024 11:57 PM

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Well that's a creative reasoning, but then Fortuna and Geuse wouldn't be able to react to his sudden dissapperance as they did.

All Pandora did was make Emilia forget about her.

@Laplace_kun ooo. That makes sense too. Thnx mate. I guess I didn’t think it thru a 100%. Hehe

Nov 7, 2024 12:05 AM

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this has the capability to make me forget actual S2 events fr fr😭

0. The presence of Pandora is something recreated from the simulation of Tome of Wisdom. Basically that's why she's present in the trial, otherwise she's not in child Lia's memories.

1. Only Regulus' presence and his actions (like injuring Geuse) were removed by Pandora.

2. Pandora cooked that Fortuna's death would make Emilia break her promise and open the seal.

3. Well that failed, and Emilia spawn killed Pandora and froze the Ellior forest.

4. Pandora fails to negotiate and simply makes it sure Emilia doesn't remember her. However she declares they'll cross paths again in the future.

Nov 7, 2024 12:39 AM

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If I recall correctly Emilia never saw Regulus' face, and it was over a decade ago. She also never saw his face when Regulus first showed up in the city (hence why he was drawn with no eyes).

It's also possible Regulus was wearing underpants of unrecognisability (similar to Emilia's cloak of unrecognisability that Subaru wore during the final loop of season 1). Naturally Regulus changed out of them after Season 3 episode 1, since if he wore them too long he'd smell too bad. Which is not something you'd like to do on your wedding day.

Nov 7, 2024 3:28 AM

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literallyeurope said:
in the web novel regulus was supposed to have a forgettable appearance and Emilia didn't see him that much in the trial, but then the character designer gave him the highest caliber of drip

He does have a forgettable look in the Re zero world. White hair, slender body, white garments are all supposed to be forgettable in this fantasy world, just like black hair is meant to be special and unique even tho it is the most common hair color in our world.

Nov 7, 2024 3:48 AM

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Yaggamy said:

Kieran98 said:
I don‘t know if I missed something but shouldn‘t Emilia know who Regulus is?

You really think Emilia would remember someone she saw a few weeks ago? She's not that bright..

Season 3 takes place a year after season 2 actually.

Nov 7, 2024 4:03 AM

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She saw Regulus in the trail where he basically just introduced himself and got sent away by Pandora. He was more a support character to Pandora, so it's normal that she would remember Pandora and all the people that died more than a dude who, in hindsight, did nothing because Pandora erased him from the scene. Also if I remember correctly she didn't see Regulus fight. She saw Geuse take in the witch factor and him attacking Regulus but then for the rest of the trail followed her younger self.

Also, remember that this was during the first trail she did. In the next few hours, she did 2 more trails with a lot more info to process and after that she had to cancel the barrier and defeat the great rabbit with Subaru. After that was done, they informed her about Roswaal and everything that happened at the mansion. This all was happening while her memories were still coming back to her.

To top this all of this now takes place at least a year after all that happened. So I don't blame her for not immediately remembering a person who might have even died since the meeting as that was 100 years ago.

ChuckieGreenNov 10, 2024 4:47 AM

Nov 7, 2024 4:12 AM

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That argument would hold water only if Emilia didn't spend her entire life as a shut-in who encountered zero other white-haired people in her entire life.

She spent her first 7 years of her life stuck in a single room only getting visited by elves.

Then she spent a hundred years encased in ice, shut in ice infact. Afterwars she ended up being raised by Puck as her only companion.

Whilst she was being raised by Puck in the North, the only people she encountered were brunnettes.

After Roswaal came and brought Emilia to his manshion he had the mansion vacated of everyone but his maids.

I don't recall any white-haired men in the capitol in episode 1.

At this point the only person who's hair even remotely resembles Cornelius' is Puck....

No wait, she did encounter the White-Haired Echidna in a dream. Maybe she thought the white-haired witch of greed looked like the white-haired archbishop (representing greed)?

edit: Anyways. Even IF it were true that "White haired people were common", Emilia is just simply not worldly enough to have encountered any other white-haired people.

Alternate_WraphNov 7, 2024 4:15 AM

Nov 7, 2024 5:01 AM

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Yaggamy said:

Kieran98 said:
I don‘t know if I missed something but shouldn‘t Emilia know who Regulus is?

You really think Emilia would remember someone she saw a few weeks ago? She's not that bright..

Season 3 takes place a year after season 2 actually.

paparoski02 said:
Season 3 takes place a year after season 2 actually.

Are you serious?
A whole year passed and the characters didn't do anything until the plot required them to get off their butts?
It doesn't fell like more than a few weeks based on interactions. Also the characters heights didn't change.

Nov 7, 2024 5:12 AM

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paparoski02 said:
Season 3 takes place a year after season 2 actually.

@Yaggamy I'm mostly pissed off we got zero scenes with any of the characters that were introduced in the final episode of the last season. In otherwords Roswaal's cousin.
I figured since we were at a new mansion filled with other people that the mansion wouldn't be empty of people we hadn't seen before.

I also figured the reason they didn't give Roswaal's cousin any lines last season was because they were too cheap to hire a voice actor for him, or they hadn't decided on a voice actor for him yet. Kind of like Rupert Kesserling, who shows up at the end of season 2 of Legend of the Galactic Heroes: Die Neue These, but is only given any lines in the third season.

Nov 7, 2024 6:04 AM

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I'm mostly pissed off we got zero scenes with any of the characters that were introduced in the final episode of the last season. In otherwords Roswaal's cousin.

Introducing new characters and then putting them in the closet is terrible writing! It's the NPC Syndrome from video games. They give you quests and rewards and then disappear.
I'm pissed about Roswaal. They spend two whole seasons hyping him up and recruiting him, then he's just left behind. Like the meme 'The boss when you unlock him'.

Nov 7, 2024 6:07 AM

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I'm mostly pissed off we got zero scenes with any of the characters that were introduced in the final episode of the last season. In otherwords Roswaal's cousin.

@Yaggamy bruh not all characters have to be involved in every single arc. I don't even know why this a complaint. They'll be relevant in future arcs. Literally in season 2, most of the knights and candidates weren't even present, and now you act like characters being sidelined in an arc is a new thing? This is such a non-issue that I'm so baffled people even find this to be even remotely a problem.

Nov 7, 2024 6:15 AM

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Alternate_Wraph said:
@Yosakusan
That argument would hold water only if Emilia didn't spend her entire life as a shut-in who encountered zero other white-haired people in her entire life.

She spent her first 7 years of her life stuck in a single room only getting visited by elves.

Then she spent a hundred years encased in ice, shut in ice infact. Afterwars she ended up being raised by Puck as her only companion.

Whilst she was being raised by Puck in the North, the only people she encountered were brunnettes.

After Roswaal came and brought Emilia to his manshion he had the mansion vacated of everyone but his maids.

I don't recall any white-haired men in the capitol in episode 1.

At this point the only person who's hair even remotely resembles Cornelius' is Puck....

No wait, she did encounter the White-Haired Echidna in a dream. Maybe she thought the white-haired witch of greed looked like the white-haired archbishop (representing greed)?

edit: Anyways. Even IF it were true that "White haired people were common", Emilia is just simply not worldly enough to have encountered any other white-haired people.

White hair is common even in our world dude. It's called getting old. That is a thing even in Re zero, just look at Wilhelm.

Nov 7, 2024 6:19 AM

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Also in the anime you to remember she never actually sees him. Echidna pulls her away beforehand. But as a kid she probably got a quick glimpse

Nov 8, 2024 9:31 AM

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in the web novel regulus was supposed to have a forgettable appearance and Emilia didn't see him that much in the trial, but then the character designer gave him the highest caliber of drip

@literallyeurope yes, in the novel I think regulus is described as an average bro multiple times. not tall or short, not handsome or ugly...just average.

Nov 8, 2024 3:20 PM

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Yaggamy said:

Kieran98 said:
I don‘t know if I missed something but shouldn‘t Emilia know who Regulus is?

You really think Emilia would remember someone she saw a few weeks ago? She's not that bright..

it's been a year since season 2, season 3 starts with a 1 year time skip

Nov 9, 2024 12:27 PM

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Well that's a creative reasoning, but then Fortuna and Geuse wouldn't be able to react to his sudden dissapperance as they did.

All Pandora did was make Emilia forget about her.

I think it would be interesting if the changes to reality Pandora makes eventually become truth to the people that experience it. Like if Geuse in Season 1 was asked what happened (if he coherently remembers at all), he also wouldn't remember Regulus being there even though he reacted to Regulus being taken away, like it took a while for the new reality to solidify.

This brings Pandoras ability into a new light espiecially with the supposed big villain Satella being held accountable for crimes she didn't commit like creating the mabeasts or being the leader of the cult.

I don't see, Emilia not remembering him as a plot hole but more of a mystery with many possible answers (unless it is directly answered in the LN, then ignore me), the seal on Emilia's memories placed by Pandora was supposedly broken by Puck so that is a flaw in your theory. However, it is a magical seal so mabye it was only the important parts that she can remember and Regulus wasn't that important.

Final theory is that we know that you don't remember all of the trial. In Subaru's first tea party Echidna mentions he won't remember her and at the end of his trial she shows up again. This was an important part of his trial but he didn't remember Echidna until the second tea party, showing your memory after the trial is not unaltered. It may be that the only thing from the trial you remember is the resolve you established to overcome it or the defeat from failing it, like Garf who also didn't remember his trial
This would mean her memory of Regulus comes from her 7-year-old self so fuzzy.

I don't like the explanation that he just has a forgettable appearance because that just feels like lazy writing if it is the case espiecially because he is wearing the exact same outfit and his design comes from the light novel illustrations and he doesn't look non-descript there either. The only way I accept that is if is a magical thing were people forget what he looks like, like those Dr. Who aliens that you instantly forget their appearance when not looking at them.
She also knows his name and that he is a sin archbishop so that should raise some memory alam bells

El_Matador874Nov 9, 2024 12:35 PM

Nov 9, 2024 12:43 PM

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Yaggamy said:

Alternate_Wraph said:
I'm mostly pissed off we got zero scenes with any of the characters that were introduced in the final episode of the last season. In otherwords Roswaal's cousin.

I feel like it is far more NPC coded to expect Roswal to always be by Subaru and Emilia's side. Like they have gained his allegiance and now he follows them around without any other responsibilities or goals.

That is how you make a world feel small, the world doesn't revolve around Subaru and having every character near him at every point makes the rest of the world feels like it has stopped moving and therefore isn't alive. It's bad world building.

Nov 9, 2024 12:50 PM

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I think it would be interesting if the changes to reality Pandora makes eventually become truth to the people that experience it.

I mean it did, injuries Regulus imparted on Geuse vanished. Don't ask Betelgeuse now, he's all but gaslighted completely by Pandora.

the seal on Emilia's memories placed by Pandora was supposedly broken by Puck so that is a flaw in your theory.

I am not theorizing, you are just wrong? What Puck broke was a contract. By that contract, Emilia would not remember her past (and the guilt of freezing so many people). What Pandora sealed were memories of her only.

Final theory is that we know that you don't remember all of the trial.

That is not even required here, both older and younger Emilia barely saw Regulus. Although it's true that even if the Tome algorithm has successfully simulated Pandora, the information is lost on current Emilia from the trial.

his design comes from the light novel illustrations and he doesn't look non-descript there either.

That's Ohtsuka's interpretation of Tappei's description. Tappei himself clearly mentions he is a untanned guy with non-stylized white hair and plain white clothes, with unremarkable dead eyes. Look at my other thread.

Initially in the web novel, Regulus was cloaked back then, but the LN changes that.

Nov 9, 2024 1:06 PM

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Young Emilia never saw Regulus, right? Or at best briefly.

Old Emilia saw him in the replay. But that was over a year ago, there was a lot happening in the replay and she propably did a lot of stuff inbetween.

For all she knows, the person she saw in those replay is already dead and forgotten because that happened over 100 years ago. She has no reason to think about him compared to all the other thing going on in the replay and her life.

Nov 10, 2024 7:33 PM

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Emilia x Regulus in S2:

- Present Emilia in the trial clearly saw Regulus made his presentation with all his fuss. Stop saying that bullshit about his appearance.

- BUT Echidna erased Emilia's memory about the trial, right? (the exception about erasing memory was only for Subaru) Emilia even forgot who Echidna (body) was few minutes after her last meeting.

- And about smol Emilia from the past, i have to agree that EVEN if was not for Pandora erasing her memory, Fortuna and Geuse were obstructing her view, also avoiding to expose little Emilia to Regulus.

So it makes sense that Emilia don't remember him.

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