| Now this is not to say Rudy should be 1-shooting everything or Given the opponents Rudeus has faced and the skills he has earned along the way(Emperor-Class Spells, Demon Eye, Casted a water spell big enough to save a whole village from burning; the usual) in the series this fight against the Hydra just didn't make sense or feel right. Rudeus was spamming small fireball attacks the whole fight going with the motion when in reality after 3 or 4 heads were taken off Rudeus could of easily built up a huge attack and taken down the Hydra in 1 hit. Plus with 4 more-than-capable allies by his side to defend him casting it easily would have been possible even if they were up close so the spell could be effective. But instead, we got what we got, which didn't make sense given the character development Rudy has gained to be to be less "cocky" and treat this world like it's the real thing like he did in season 1 w/ Rujierd, Eris, and that D-Tier group... incident. |
DatManJB said: Now this is not to say Rudy should be 1-shooting everything or Paul's death doesn't make sense or couldn't happen in front of Rudeus. But it's how it happened. Given the opponents Rudeus has faced and the skills he has earned along the way(Emperor-Class Spells, Demon Eye, Casted a water spell big enough to save a whole village from burning; the usual) in the series this fight against the Hydra just didn't make sense or feel right. Rudeus was spamming small fireball attacks the whole fight going with the motion when in reality after 3 or 4 heads were taken off Rudeus could of easily built up a huge attack and taken down the Hydra in 1 hit. Plus with 4 more-than-capable allies by his side to defend him casting it easily would have been possible even if they were up close so the spell could be effective. But instead, we got what we got, which didn't make sense given the character development Rudy has gained to be to be less "cocky" and treat this world like it's the real thing like he did in season 1 w/ Rujierd, Eris, and that D-Tier group... incident. Based on your comment, you didn't watch the whole episode or you were on your phone the whole time... The Hydra's scales were nullifying magic attacks and absorbing mana. The only way to defeat it was to cut all of its heads off and prevent them from regenerating by searing the wound. Hence the small fireball that are easier to aim. You also didn't notice something about Rudy. His attacks have so much power behind them they do the same amount of damage like big flashy ultimate attacks from normal mages. |
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DatManJB said:
Now this is not to say Rudy should be 1-shooting everything or
Paul's death doesn't make sense or couldn't happen in front of Rudeus. But it's how it happened.
Given the opponents Rudeus has faced and the skills he has earned along the way(Emperor-Class Spells, Demon Eye, Casted a water spell big enough to save a whole village from burning; the usual) in the series this fight against the Hydra just didn't make sense or feel right.
Rudeus was spamming small fireball attacks the whole fight going with the motion when in reality after 3 or 4 heads were taken off Rudeus could of easily built up a huge attack and taken down the Hydra in 1 hit. Plus with 4 more-than-capable allies by his side to defend him casting it easily would have been possible even if they were up close so the spell could be effective. But instead, we got what we got, which didn't make sense given the character development Rudy has gained to be to be less "cocky" and treat this world like it's the real thing like he did in season 1 w/ Rujierd, Eris, and that D-Tier group... incident.
Now this is not to say Rudy should be 1-shooting everything or
Paul's death doesn't make sense or couldn't happen in front of Rudeus. But it's how it happened.
Given the opponents Rudeus has faced and the skills he has earned along the way(Emperor-Class Spells, Demon Eye, Casted a water spell big enough to save a whole village from burning; the usual) in the series this fight against the Hydra just didn't make sense or feel right.
Rudeus was spamming small fireball attacks the whole fight going with the motion when in reality after 3 or 4 heads were taken off Rudeus could of easily built up a huge attack and taken down the Hydra in 1 hit. Plus with 4 more-than-capable allies by his side to defend him casting it easily would have been possible even if they were up close so the spell could be effective. But instead, we got what we got, which didn't make sense given the character development Rudy has gained to be to be less "cocky" and treat this world like it's the real thing like he did in season 1 w/ Rujierd, Eris, and that D-Tier group... incident.
Based on your comment, you didn't watch the whole episode or you were on your phone the whole time...
The Hydra's scales were nullifying magic attacks and absorbing mana.
The only way to defeat it was to cut all of its heads off and prevent them from regenerating by searing the wound. Hence the small fireball that are easier to aim.
You also didn't notice something about Rudy. His attacks have so much power behind them they do the same amount of damage like big flashy ultimate attacks from normal mages.
| @Yaggamy Yaggamy said: Said it yourself nullify not negate. The Hydra's scales were nullifying magic attacks Edit: Yo know it all, the Hydra itself creates a nullifying barrier not the scales. The scales simply absorb mana which Rudeus has enough mana to negate the absorption with the power of his spells. Can't even trust your own knowledge(must of been looking at your phone too) hence my question was asked. Yaggamy said: Source? Oh right made it tf up. You also didn't notice something about Rudy. His attacks have so much power behind them they do the same amount of damage like big flashy ultimate attacks from normal mages. Talk like you know it all when in reality you're just defending poor writing.๐คฃ Still S2P2 was a 9/10 you're just defending that one part like a dipshit. |
DatManJBJun 30, 9:30 PM
| One of the earliest examples of Rudy's development is learning, that this world is not a videogame and death means it's over. He got especially humbled after almost being killed by Osterd, so he is no longer cocky and arrogant. He may still effortlessly defeat weaker or even advanced level threat monsters, but Hydra was something next level and probably the most dangerous adversary he ever faced. On top of that, it was his natural counter due to music nullification. |
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| rudy hasnt learned emperor tier bruh. his skill magic are only saint tier at this season. are you really watching the show? and are you seriously want rudy to cast comulunimbus in there? he will kill all his party before hydra. |
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DatManJB said:
@Yaggamy
Talk like you know it all when in reality you're just defending poor writing.๐คฃ
Still S2P2 was a 9/10 you're just defending that one part like a dipshit.
@Yaggamy
Yaggamy said:
The Hydra's scales were nullifying magic attacks
Said it yourself nullify not negate. The Hydra's scales were nullifying magic attacks
Yaggamy said:
You also didn't notice something about Rudy. His attacks have so much power behind them they do the same amount of damage like big flashy ultimate attacks from normal mages.
Source? Oh right made it tf up. You also didn't notice something about Rudy. His attacks have so much power behind them they do the same amount of damage like big flashy ultimate attacks from normal mages.
Talk like you know it all when in reality you're just defending poor writing.๐คฃ
Still S2P2 was a 9/10 you're just defending that one part like a dipshit.
Please explain what you think the difference is between nullify and negate. They’re synonyms.
| @AustinJamB Cool the information provided was still incorrect so that synonym "who cares" doesn't mean anything to me. |
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DatManJB said:
@Yaggamy
Talk like you know it all when in reality you're just defending poor writing.๐คฃ
Still S2P2 was a 9/10 you're just defending that one part like a dipshit.
@Yaggamy
Yaggamy said:
The Hydra's scales were nullifying magic attacks
Said it yourself nullify not negate. The Hydra's scales were nullifying magic attacks
Yaggamy said:
You also didn't notice something about Rudy. His attacks have so much power behind them they do the same amount of damage like big flashy ultimate attacks from normal mages.
Source? Oh right made it tf up. You also didn't notice something about Rudy. His attacks have so much power behind them they do the same amount of damage like big flashy ultimate attacks from normal mages.
Talk like you know it all when in reality you're just defending poor writing.๐คฃ
Still S2P2 was a 9/10 you're just defending that one part like a dipshit.
Nullify and negate literally mean the same thing. Modern education systems are clearly failing.
| @Kahoshi1 Cool the information provided to reply was still wrong so I don't care grammar police will continue to see them as different so nerds like you Reee at simple grammar erroras. |
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One of the earliest examples of Rudy's development is learning, that this world is not a videogame and death means it's over. He got especially humbled after almost being killed by Osterd, so he is no longer cocky and arrogant.
He may still effortlessly defeat weaker or even advanced level threat monsters, but Hydra was something next level and probably the most dangerous adversary he ever faced. On top of that, it was his natural counter due to music nullification.
He may still effortlessly defeat weaker or even advanced level threat monsters, but Hydra was something next level and probably the most dangerous adversary he ever faced. On top of that, it was his natural counter due to music nullification.
| @Piromysl But that's where it just doesn't feel right... his magic is nullified if too far away from the Hydra but up close he has the ability to cast as big of a spell as he wants(He has the same mana pool as Laplace which he is told he does and I don't believe a Hydra can absorb a literal god-tier amount of mana) or he could simply use earth magic to create spikes below the Hydra since it never moves. Either way the build-up to just doesn't feel right because as you said "He got especially humbled after almost being killed by Osterd" so why do we see him smirking all cocky and pay for it. This is a terrible trope that doesn't sit right with me, especially after learning not to follow it in the show. |
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rudy hasnt learned emperor tier bruh. his skill magic are only saint tier at this season.
are you really watching the show?
and are you seriously want rudy to cast comulunimbus in there? he will kill all his party before hydra.
are you really watching the show?
and are you seriously want rudy to cast comulunimbus in there? he will kill all his party before hydra.
| @xiMii "He rescued Roxy using a <<Water Emperor>> class magic Absolute Zero" Source: https://mushokutensei.fandom.com/wiki/Rudeus_Greyrat/Chronology#:~:text=He%20rescued%20Roxy%20using%20a,and%20stated%20attacking%20on%20Rudeus. Search: https://www.google.com/search?client=opera-gx&hs=Fks&sca_esv=1122d9277a2b469c&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ADLYWIKcoTR6bWPVmbKnAMLj2xm9EaTvxw:1719809050890&q=Does+Rudeus+use+absolute+zero%3F&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjz_Lz8g4WHAxXLEEQIHcFKAxgQzmd6BAgkEAY Rudy is a strategist who has been humbled by both the D-Tier Group incident and Orsted. He should not be leaving himself open like he did in that episode by any means. He knows what's at stake and how important this mission is. What happened at the end of Ep.22 is fine but how it happened isn't. Which is as I said, was poor writing but S2P2 is still a 9/10 to me. So I am serious with what I said. |
DatManJBJun 30, 10:02 PM
DatManJB said: @Piromysl But that's where it just doesn't feel right... his magic is nullified if too far away from the Hydra but up close he has the ability to cast as big of a spell as he wants(He has the same mana pool as Laplace which he is told he does and I don't believe a Hydra can absorb a literal god-tier amount of mana) or he could simply use earth magic to create spikes below the Hydra since it never moves. Either way the build-up to just doesn't feel right because as you said "He got especially humbled after almost being killed by Osterd" so why do we see him smirking all cocky and pay for it. This is a terrible trope that doesn't sit right with me, especially after learning not to follow it in the show. Because this "nullification" was just a barrier surrounding the hydra, which is why he was able to deal damage in point blank range. That was very dangerous, because mage should never go melle. |
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DatManJB said:
@Piromysl But that's where it just doesn't feel right... his magic is nullified if too far away from the Hydra but up close he has the ability to cast as big of a spell as he wants(He has the same mana pool as Laplace which he is told he does and I don't believe a Hydra can absorb a literal god-tier amount of mana) or he could simply use earth magic to create spikes below the Hydra since it never moves. Either way the build-up to
@Piromysl But that's where it just doesn't feel right... his magic is nullified if too far away from the Hydra but up close he has the ability to cast as big of a spell as he wants(He has the same mana pool as Laplace which he is told he does and I don't believe a Hydra can absorb a literal god-tier amount of mana) or he could simply use earth magic to create spikes below the Hydra since it never moves. Either way the build-up to
just doesn't feel right because as you said "He got especially humbled after almost being killed by Osterd" so why do we see him smirking all cocky and pay for it. This is a terrible trope that doesn't sit right with me, especially after learning not to follow it in the show.
Because this "nullification" was just a barrier surrounding the hydra, which is why he was able to deal damage in point blank range. That was very dangerous, because mage should never go melle.
| @Piromysl You make this statement like Rudeus is a simple "Mage". He has a demon eye that he can use to see up to 10 seconds in the future, B Tier Tank, S-Tier Swordsman, a second Saint-tier swordsman, and a Mage that can cast Saint-tier magic to defend Rudeus. Also, it is not stated anywhere that Rudeus can't cast while moving or even after he is done incanting the spell move up close to cast the spell. Rudeus had plenty of resources in his arsenal and don't get me wrong, I don't expect him to be perfect, but the way it ended is just something that didn't make sense especially since he has already learned not to have the same mistake like this happen a 3rd time. |
DatManJB said: @Piromysl You make this statement like Rudeus is a simple "Mage". He has a demon eye that he can use to see up to 10 seconds in the future, B Tier Tank, S-Tier Swordsman, a second Saint-tier swordsman, and a Mage that can cast Saint-tier magic to defend Rudeus. Also, it is not stated anywhere that Rudeus can't cast while moving or even after he is done incanting the spell move up close to cast the spell. Rudeus had plenty of resources in his arsenal and don't get me wrong, I don't expect him to be perfect, but the way it ended is just something that didn't make sense especially since he has already learned not to have the same mistake like this happen a 3rd time. Bro, you are just trying to hard to somehow imply that Rudy is omnipotent. He is not and still has his own shortcomings. He is indeed very talented and even his chantless casting is something revolutionary, but in the end he is still a human with human flaws and limitations. Even his Demon Eye is not perfect and while it gives him an edge and is very useful, it still can be countered. Ruijerd for example managed to counter it by thinking ahead, predicting his opponent's movements and leaving no openings and Hydra did something similar with the sheer quantity of it's seven heads. Anyway, Rudy daydreaming in the middle of the fight is definitely something he deserves to be called out for, especially since he should know better and it was what caused Paul's death. There is no denying that. |
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DatManJB said: @Piromysl You make this statement like Rudeus is a simple "Mage". He has a demon eye that he can use to see up to 10 seconds in the future, B Tier Tank, S-Tier Swordsman, a second Saint-tier swordsman, and a Mage that can cast Saint-tier magic to defend Rudeus. Also, it is not stated anywhere that Rudeus can't cast while moving or even after he is done incanting the spell move up close to cast the spell. Rudeus had plenty of resources in his arsenal and don't get me wrong, I don't expect him to be perfect, but the way it ended is just something that didn't make sense especially since he has already learned not to have the same mistake like this happen a 3rd time. His demon eye can only see 1 second into the future with precision and that too is not fool proof. Stronger opponents that make split second decisions before attack can easily counter the demon eye, just like Ruijerd, Orsted and in this case, the Hydra. No matter where he blasts his magic from, it will sense the mana and nullify it through the high pitched noise before the magic attack reaches. Hence a high speed attack from point blank range is required. During the part where Paul jumped in to save Rudeus; Elinalise, Roxy and Talhand were dealing with the Hydra's neck swing attacks. Rudy shifted his focus to them, to check if they needed any assistance and the Hydra's last head caught him offgaurd. Paul did not die when he was thinking "One last head". Thats when the Hydra started surprise attacks which caught everyone offgaurd including Rudeus. Just because Rudeus has a huge pool of Mana, he cant just keep shooting at the Hydra if it means the Hydra will just nullify/negate that attack. Its a complete stalemate and waste of energy for his party members since they have to keep covering and defending him from Hydra's counter attacks. |
V1P3R0PJun 30, 10:38 PM
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DatManJB said:
@Piromysl
You make this statement like Rudeus is a simple "Mage". He has a demon eye that he can use to see up to 10 seconds in the future, B Tier Tank, S-Tier Swordsman, a second Saint-tier swordsman, and a Mage that can cast Saint-tier magic to defend Rudeus. Also, it is not stated anywhere that Rudeus can't cast while moving or even after he is done incanting the spell move up close to cast the spell. Rudeus had plenty of resources in his arsenal and don't get me wrong, I don't expect him to be perfect, but the way it ended is just something that didn't make sense especially since he has already learned not to have the same mistake like this happen a 3rd time.
@Piromysl
You make this statement like Rudeus is a simple "Mage". He has a demon eye that he can use to see up to 10 seconds in the future, B Tier Tank, S-Tier Swordsman, a second Saint-tier swordsman, and a Mage that can cast Saint-tier magic to defend Rudeus. Also, it is not stated anywhere that Rudeus can't cast while moving or even after he is done incanting the spell move up close to cast the spell. Rudeus had plenty of resources in his arsenal and don't get me wrong, I don't expect him to be perfect, but the way it ended is just something that didn't make sense especially since he has already learned not to have the same mistake like this happen a 3rd time.
His demon eye can only see 1 second into the future with precision and that too is not fool proof. Stronger opponents that make split second decisions before attack can easily counter the demon eye, just like Ruijerd, Orsted and in this case, the Hydra.
No matter where he blasts his magic from, it will sense the mana and nullify it through the high pitched noise before the magic attack reaches. Hence a high speed attack from point blank range is required.
During the part where Paul jumped in to save Rudeus; Elinalise, Roxy and Talhand were dealing with the Hydra's neck swing attacks. Rudy shifted his focus to them, to check if they needed any assistance and the Hydra's last head caught him offgaurd. Paul did not die when he was thinking "One last head". Thats when the Hydra started surprise attacks which caught everyone offgaurd including Rudeus.
Just because Rudeus has a huge pool of Mana, he cant just keep shooting at the Hydra if it means the Hydra will just nullify/negate that attack. Its a complete stalemate and waste of energy for his party members since they have to keep covering and defending him from Hydra's counter attacks.
| @V1P3R0P Yes, Rudeus' demon eye has its limitations, but to dismiss its utility in this context is shortsighted. Even a second's foresight can be a game-changer, especially when combined with his other abilities. You mention the Hydra's ability to sense and nullify magic through high-pitched noise. True, but that doesn’t negate the potential for creative strategies. Rudeus' vast mana pool isn't just for brute force; it’s for outmaneuvering such defenses. A high-speed attack from point-blank range is one approach, but there are myriad other tactics he could employ with his Saint-tier magic proficiency. As for Paul and the others, their role in the battle was crucial, but it’s overly simplistic to attribute the failure solely to Rudeus' momentary distraction. The Hydra's unpredictability is a given, yet a more coordinated effort leveraging Rudeus' extensive skill set could have yielded a different outcome. |
๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ ๐ผ๐ฎ๐ฝ๐ฝ๐ต๐ฎ ๐ฏ๐ธ๐ป ๐ถ๐ฎ๐ญ๐ฒ๐ธ๐ฌ๐ป๐ฒ๐ฝ๐ ๐๐ฑ๐ฎ๐ท ๐๐ธ๐พ ๐ฌ๐ช๐ท ๐ผ๐ฝ๐ป๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฎ ๐ฏ๐ธ๐ป ๐ซ๐ป๐ฒ๐ต๐ต๐ฒ๐ช๐ท๐ฌ๐ฎ? ๐๐ผ ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐น๐ป๐ฎ๐ถ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ป ๐ช๐ท๐ฒ๐ถ๐ฎ ๐ฌ๐ป๐ฒ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ฌ ๐ช๐ท๐ญ ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐ถ๐ฒ๐ท๐ญ ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ท๐ญ ๐๐ฝ๐ฎ๐ป๐ท๐ช๐ต ๐ ๐พ๐ฎ๐ผ๐ฝ, ๐ ๐ซ๐ป๐ฒ๐ท๐ฐ ๐พ๐ท๐ถ๐ช๐ฝ๐ฌ๐ฑ๐ฎ๐ญ ๐น๐ป๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ผ๐ฒ๐ธ๐ท ๐ช๐ท๐ญ ๐ฒ๐ท๐ผ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฝ ๐ฝ๐ธ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐ป๐ ๐ป๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐. ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ช๐ฝ๐ฎ ๐๐ธ๐พ๐ป ๐ฝ๐ช๐ผ๐ฝ๐ฎ ๐ธ๐ป ๐ป๐ฎ๐ถ๐ช๐ฒ๐ท ๐ต๐ธ๐ผ๐ฝ ๐ฒ๐ท ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐ท๐ธ๐ฒ๐ผ๐ฎ.๐งโจ    |
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DatManJB said:
@Piromysl
You make this statement like Rudeus is a simple "Mage". He has a demon eye that he can use to see up to 10 seconds in the future, B Tier Tank, S-Tier Swordsman, a second Saint-tier swordsman, and a Mage that can cast Saint-tier magic to defend Rudeus. Also, it is not stated anywhere that Rudeus can't cast while moving or even after he is done incanting the spell move up close to cast the spell. Rudeus had plenty of resources in his arsenal and don't get me wrong, I don't expect him to be perfect, but the way it ended is just something that didn't make sense especially since he has already learned not to have the same mistake like this happen a 3rd time.
@Piromysl
You make this statement like Rudeus is a simple "Mage". He has a demon eye that he can use to see up to 10 seconds in the future, B Tier Tank, S-Tier Swordsman, a second Saint-tier swordsman, and a Mage that can cast Saint-tier magic to defend Rudeus. Also, it is not stated anywhere that Rudeus can't cast while moving or even after he is done incanting the spell move up close to cast the spell. Rudeus had plenty of resources in his arsenal and don't get me wrong, I don't expect him to be perfect, but the way it ended is just something that didn't make sense especially since he has already learned not to have the same mistake like this happen a 3rd time.
Bro, you are just trying to hard to somehow imply that Rudy is omnipotent. He is not and still has his own shortcomings. He is indeed very talented and even his chantless casting is something revolutionary, but in the end he is still a human with human flaws and limitations. Even his Demon Eye is not perfect and while it gives him an edge and is very useful, it still can be countered. Ruijerd for example managed to counter it by thinking ahead, predicting his opponent's movements and leaving no openings and Hydra did something similar with the sheer quantity of it's seven heads.
Anyway, Rudy daydreaming in the middle of the fight is definitely something he deserves to be called out for, especially since he should know better and it was what caused Paul's death. There is no denying that.
| @Piromysl Let's go ahead and establish this, first. You are completely ignoring the fact that it is the WRITER who is making up the story. Now that, THAT, is established. Rudeus has seen twice, on two different occasions, how sitting back or being cocky in a fight can lead to HIM and/or his ALLIES getting killed(D-Tier Group incident and Orsted incident). Now with both those instances being established why is Rudues as you stated, Piromysl said: when he has learned TWICE it can lead to HIMSELF or OTHERS being killed? That part of you saying daydreaming in the middle of the fight Piromysl said: he deserves to be called out for does not belong to the Rudeus because at the end of the day he is just a character, that FAULT belongs to the writer who ignored TWICE(at least in the books) Rudy has learned not to make a DEADLY mistake that could kill HIMSELF or OTHERS. Hence why this feeling of unease with how the season partially ended bothered me. It's not that And still I'm pretty sure Rudy is kinda OP even now. If you don't think having the same Mana pool as Laplace at this stage of Rudy's life/Journey isn't OP idk what to tell you. |
BimJomp said: @V1P3R0P Yes, Rudeus' demon eye has its limitations, but to dismiss its utility in this context is shortsighted. Even a second's foresight can be a game-changer, especially when combined with his other abilities. You mention the Hydra's ability to sense and nullify magic through high-pitched noise. True, but that doesn’t negate the potential for creative strategies. Rudeus' vast mana pool isn't just for brute force; it’s for outmaneuvering such defenses. A high-speed attack from point-blank range is one approach, but there are myriad other tactics he could employ with his Saint-tier magic proficiency. As for Paul and the others, their role in the battle was crucial, but it’s overly simplistic to attribute the failure solely to Rudeus' momentary distraction. The Hydra's unpredictability is a given, yet a more coordinated effort leveraging Rudeus' extensive skill set could have yielded a different outcome. Like I mentioned in my previous comment. Stronger opponents can attack in multiple variations in a second, which completely makes the eye of foresight unpredictable. He did use his eye of foresight, but it was not helping him out, so rather waste time to figure out how to work it out, its best to think of other impactful strategies, like the one they went with. But they never needed the help of saint tier magic over there, or a change in strategy. Their strategy was working just fine and they were caught off guard when the Hydra started swinging its neck around as a last resort. If they really had a chance to strategise it, I guess they wouldve, but it all happened so suddenly, they were left completely out of sync. Again, They never needed any change in strategies since their strategy to "Chop Chop and burn" was working well for them, Infact it was flawless until the last moment. The surprise attack was what left them all vulnerable. |
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BimJomp said:
@V1P3R0P Yes, Rudeus' demon eye has its limitations, but to dismiss its utility in this context is shortsighted. Even a second's foresight can be a game-changer, especially when combined with his other abilities.
You mention the Hydra's ability to sense and nullify magic through high-pitched noise. True, but that doesn’t negate the potential for creative strategies. Rudeus' vast mana pool isn't just for brute force; it’s for outmaneuvering such defenses. A high-speed attack from point-blank range is one approach, but there are myriad other tactics he could employ with his Saint-tier magic proficiency.
As for Paul and the others, their role in the battle was crucial, but it’s overly simplistic to attribute the failure solely to Rudeus' momentary distraction. The Hydra's unpredictability is a given, yet a more coordinated effort leveraging Rudeus' extensive skill set could have yielded a different outcome.
@V1P3R0P Yes, Rudeus' demon eye has its limitations, but to dismiss its utility in this context is shortsighted. Even a second's foresight can be a game-changer, especially when combined with his other abilities.
You mention the Hydra's ability to sense and nullify magic through high-pitched noise. True, but that doesn’t negate the potential for creative strategies. Rudeus' vast mana pool isn't just for brute force; it’s for outmaneuvering such defenses. A high-speed attack from point-blank range is one approach, but there are myriad other tactics he could employ with his Saint-tier magic proficiency.
As for Paul and the others, their role in the battle was crucial, but it’s overly simplistic to attribute the failure solely to Rudeus' momentary distraction. The Hydra's unpredictability is a given, yet a more coordinated effort leveraging Rudeus' extensive skill set could have yielded a different outcome.
Like I mentioned in my previous comment. Stronger opponents can attack in multiple variations in a second, which completely makes the eye of foresight unpredictable. He did use his eye of foresight, but it was not helping him out, so rather waste time to figure out how to work it out, its best to think of other impactful strategies, like the one they went with.
But they never needed the help of saint tier magic over there, or a change in strategy. Their strategy was working just fine and they were caught off guard when the Hydra started swinging its neck around as a last resort. If they really had a chance to strategise it, I guess they wouldve, but it all happened so suddenly, they were left completely out of sync.
Again, They never needed any change in strategies since their strategy to "Chop Chop and burn" was working well for them, Infact it was flawless until the last moment. The surprise attack was what left them all vulnerable.
| @V1P3R0P Your defense of the Eye of Foresight's limitations is adorably simplistic. Yes, stronger opponents can attack in multiple variations within a second, but to claim that this makes the Eye entirely unpredictable is an exaggeration. The Eye of Foresight provides a significant tactical advantage, and dismissing it so quickly shows a lack of strategic imagination. Their so-called flawless "Chop Chop and burn" strategy was anything but. If it were truly effective, they wouldn't have been caught off guard by the Hydra's last-ditch neck swings. A truly impactful strategy would have accounted for all possible contingencies, including a creature's desperate flailing. Suggesting that no change in strategy was needed is laughable. A good strategist adapts and evolves their approach, especially when faced with unforeseen circumstances. The surprise attack only exposed the weaknesses in their supposedly "flawless" plan. Relying solely on brute force without incorporating more nuanced tactics or leveraging Rudeus' full range of abilities was a glaring oversight. Their strategy was far from perfect, and dismissing the need for strategic adaptation is a sign of limited thinking. If they had truly considered all variables and utilized their resources more effectively, the outcome could have been different. It's clear they needed more than just chopping and burning; they needed a comprehensive and adaptable strategy. |
| ๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ ๐ผ๐ฎ๐ฝ๐ฝ๐ต๐ฎ ๐ฏ๐ธ๐ป ๐ถ๐ฎ๐ญ๐ฒ๐ธ๐ฌ๐ป๐ฒ๐ฝ๐ ๐๐ฑ๐ฎ๐ท ๐๐ธ๐พ ๐ฌ๐ช๐ท ๐ผ๐ฝ๐ป๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฎ ๐ฏ๐ธ๐ป ๐ซ๐ป๐ฒ๐ต๐ต๐ฒ๐ช๐ท๐ฌ๐ฎ? ๐๐ผ ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐น๐ป๐ฎ๐ถ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ป ๐ช๐ท๐ฒ๐ถ๐ฎ ๐ฌ๐ป๐ฒ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ฌ ๐ช๐ท๐ญ ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐ถ๐ฒ๐ท๐ญ ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ท๐ญ ๐๐ฝ๐ฎ๐ป๐ท๐ช๐ต ๐ ๐พ๐ฎ๐ผ๐ฝ, ๐ ๐ซ๐ป๐ฒ๐ท๐ฐ ๐พ๐ท๐ถ๐ช๐ฝ๐ฌ๐ฑ๐ฎ๐ญ ๐น๐ป๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ผ๐ฒ๐ธ๐ท ๐ช๐ท๐ญ ๐ฒ๐ท๐ผ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฝ ๐ฝ๐ธ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐ป๐ ๐ป๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐. ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ช๐ฝ๐ฎ ๐๐ธ๐พ๐ป ๐ฝ๐ช๐ผ๐ฝ๐ฎ ๐ธ๐ป ๐ป๐ฎ๐ถ๐ช๐ฒ๐ท ๐ต๐ธ๐ผ๐ฝ ๐ฒ๐ท ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐ท๐ธ๐ฒ๐ผ๐ฎ.๐งโจ |
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DatManJB said:
@Piromysl
You make this statement like Rudeus is a simple "Mage". He has a demon eye that he can use to see up to 10 seconds in the future, B Tier Tank, S-Tier Swordsman, a second Saint-tier swordsman, and a Mage that can cast Saint-tier magic to defend Rudeus. Also, it is not stated anywhere that Rudeus can't cast while moving or even after he is done incanting the spell move up close to cast the spell. Rudeus had plenty of resources in his arsenal and don't get me wrong, I don't expect him to be perfect, but the way it ended is just something that didn't make sense especially since he has already learned not to have the same mistake like this happen a 3rd time.
@Piromysl
You make this statement like Rudeus is a simple "Mage". He has a demon eye that he can use to see up to 10 seconds in the future, B Tier Tank, S-Tier Swordsman, a second Saint-tier swordsman, and a Mage that can cast Saint-tier magic to defend Rudeus. Also, it is not stated anywhere that Rudeus can't cast while moving or even after he is done incanting the spell move up close to cast the spell. Rudeus had plenty of resources in his arsenal and don't get me wrong, I don't expect him to be perfect, but the way it ended is just something that didn't make sense especially since he has already learned not to have the same mistake like this happen a 3rd time.
His demon eye can only see 1 second into the future with precision and that too is not fool proof. Stronger opponents that make split second decisions before attack can easily counter the demon eye, just like Ruijerd, Orsted and in this case, the Hydra.
No matter where he blasts his magic from, it will sense the mana and nullify it through the high pitched noise before the magic attack reaches. Hence a high speed attack from point blank range is required.
During the part where Paul jumped in to save Rudeus; Elinalise, Roxy and Talhand were dealing with the Hydra's neck swing attacks. Rudy shifted his focus to them, to check if they needed any assistance and the Hydra's last head caught him offgaurd. Paul did not die when he was thinking "One last head". Thats when the Hydra started surprise attacks which caught everyone offgaurd including Rudeus.
Just because Rudeus has a huge pool of Mana, he cant just keep shooting at the Hydra if it means the Hydra will just nullify/negate that attack. Its a complete stalemate and waste of energy for his party members since they have to keep covering and defending him from Hydra's counter attacks.
| @V1P3R0P V1P3R0P said: Made tfu. 5-10 seconds have been said. 1 second was back in S1 as a kid not.His demon eye can only see 1 second into the future with precision and that too is not fool proof. Stronger opponents that make split second decisions before attack can easily counter the demon eye, just like Ruijerd, Orsted and in this case, the Hydra. V1P3R0P said: Already established he has allies to occupy the hydra so he can cast.No matter where he blasts his magic from, it will sense the mana and nullify it through the high pitched noise before the magic attack reaches. Hence a high speed attack from point blank range is required. V1P3R0P said: No in the anime(which this is an anime forum) he finished up casting his fireball. But yet again "offgaurd" is another excuse for daydreaming which Rudy has devastatingly learned TWICE, as a character, not to do on the battlefield.During the part where Paul jumped in to save Rudeus; Elinalise, Roxy and Talhand were dealing with the Hydra's neck swing attacks. Rudy shifted his focus to them, to check if they needed any assistance and the Hydra's last head caught him offgaurd. Paul did not die when he was thinking "One last head". That's when the Hydra started surprise attacks which caught everyone offgaurd including Rudeus. V1P3R0P said: We are not following your "I made it tfu" logic the anime specifically stated, "Magic should work at point-blank range"(EP22, 8:53) so go somewhere with that made up nonsense to cover up bad writing(or possible bad adaptation to help you cope).Just because Rudeus has a huge pool of Mana, he cant just keep shooting at the Hydra if it means the Hydra will just nullify/negate that attack. Its a complete stalemate and waste of energy for his party members since they have to keep covering and defending him from Hydra's counter attacks. |
BimJomp said: @V1P3R0P Your defense of the Eye of Foresight's limitations is adorably simplistic. Yes, stronger opponents can attack in multiple variations within a second, but to claim that this makes the Eye entirely unpredictable is an exaggeration. The Eye of Foresight provides a significant tactical advantage, and dismissing it so quickly shows a lack of strategic imagination. Their so-called flawless "Chop Chop and burn" strategy was anything but. If it were truly effective, they wouldn't have been caught off guard by the Hydra's last-ditch neck swings. A truly impactful strategy would have accounted for all possible contingencies, including a creature's desperate flailing. Suggesting that no change in strategy was needed is laughable. A good strategist adapts and evolves their approach, especially when faced with unforeseen circumstances. The surprise attack only exposed the weaknesses in their supposedly "flawless" plan. Relying solely on brute force without incorporating more nuanced tactics or leveraging Rudeus' full range of abilities was a glaring oversight. Their strategy was far from perfect, and dismissing the need for strategic adaptation is a sign of limited thinking. If they had truly considered all variables and utilized their resources more effectively, the outcome could have been different. It's clear they needed more than just chopping and burning; they needed a comprehensive and adaptable strategy. for one, We have the privilege as a viewer to comment on the strategy being imperfect based on what we see, But thats not the same for the characters right in there. Ok, their strategy was way too simplistic. But it was still effective if not perfect. When fighting against a high level monster, that nobody has much info on, its really difficult to come up with last minute strategies, unless the person involved has prior battle experience with monsters of the same class. In this case, Rudeus was their main strategist, but he lacked enough experience in that area. No womder he was taken aback, when Hydra started swinging its neck. |
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@DatManJB first that's the web novel not the light novel(which is what the anime is adapting) and in the light novel he never used the emperor spell absolute zero
second rudeus is inexperienced in taking on labyrinths as this his first ever one so him him being confused for a second wasn't unnatural at all
third using those super strong spells upclose is just unreasonable those spells require a ton of time, time that the hydra will not give rudy, besides it can just easily regenerate plus magic has a less chance of being nullified when aimed at a chopped head.
so no, it ain't nowhere near close to poor writing bruh
second rudeus is inexperienced in taking on labyrinths as this his first ever one so him him being confused for a second wasn't unnatural at all
third using those super strong spells upclose is just unreasonable those spells require a ton of time, time that the hydra will not give rudy, besides it can just easily regenerate plus magic has a less chance of being nullified when aimed at a chopped head.
so no, it ain't nowhere near close to poor writing bruh
| @rolopolo78 So your coping the web novel being mistranslated, making up Micky Mouse reasons why Rudeus randomly starts daydreaming because he is quote, rolopolo78 said: which doesn't at all explain him blindsided when the enemy had only one head left, and you ignore the fact there is a: B-Tier Tank, S-Tier Swordsman, Saint-Tier Swordsman, Saint-Tier Mage, and a Saint/Emperor-tier Mage (I don't give af what you say) who has the same Mana pool of the strongest mage of all time(Laplace) all by saying "those spells require a ton of time" which again belongs to your own "I made it tfu" argument. How do you not preview what you write? inexperienced in taking on labyrinths as this his first ever one so him him being confused for a second wasn't unnatural at all Edit: Had to throw in some laughing emojis for this dork.๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ |
| If someone didn't already noticed, Rudeus isn't like OP like many other isekai main characters. He has a massive amount of mana and is very good at magic but put him against like Paul or Ghislaine in a serious fight, he's f*cked. He might be good against other magic users but that's that. |
| "You only realize the real value of something you discarded when you get the chance to pick it up again." - Rudeus Greyrat |
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@AustinJamB Cool the information provided was still incorrect so that synonym "who cares" doesn't mean anything to me.
| @DatManJB If you're asking something, you should really try to understand what other people said, not just defending your shitty argument.. Or maybe you just dont have the necessary intelligent to understand things.. |
| “You should enjoy the little detours to the fullest. Because that's where you'll find the things more important than what you want.” |
DatManJB said: Now this is not to say Rudy should be 1-shooting everything or Given the opponents Rudeus has faced and the skills he has earned along the way(Emperor-Class Spells, Demon Eye, Casted a water spell big enough to save a whole village from burning; the usual) in the series this fight against the Hydra just didn't make sense or feel right. Rudeus was spamming small fireball attacks the whole fight going with the motion when in reality after 3 or 4 heads were taken off Rudeus could of easily built up a huge attack and taken down the Hydra in 1 hit. Plus with 4 more-than-capable allies by his side to defend him casting it easily would have been possible even if they were up close so the spell could be effective. But instead, we got what we got, which didn't make sense given the character development Rudy has gained to be to be less "cocky" and treat this world like it's the real thing like he did in season 1 w/ Rujierd, Eris, and that D-Tier group... incident. it's fiction. it doesn't matter what you think about how powers combine etc. the author wanted an outcome and did his or her best to describe the hydra in such a way as to match the party's abilities and produce that outcome. this is universal and applies also to power ranking nonsense. https://youtu.be/L4_zFYnnn2Y |
Casted a water spell big enough to save a whole village from burning fyi you are not supposed to pour water on fire that big if there are people still inside.Rudeus could of easily built up a huge attack and taken down the Hydra in 1 hit. why do you think that?DatManJB said: yep you definitely were on your phone since season 1.Source? Oh right made it tf up. |
| Why do you keep saying that Rudeus has the same mana pool as Laplace? That just means that Rudeus has a lot of MP. Rudeus IS NOT Laplace, he isn't, nor will ever be, anywhere close to Laplace's level of strength. Laplace can literally cast God-level spells that split continents in half and come out intact, because he is immortal, which Rudeus isn't. Also, Rudeus doesn't have anywhere near the knowledge of spells that Laplace had. Rudeus may have a lot of MP, but he is basically only casting low-level spells, since all the high-level spells are only known to ancient entities like Orsted or Laplace. I don't know what you find so hard to understand about that. Would Laplace be able to destroy the Hydra as if it was nothing? Yes, but he knew spells Rudeus can't dream of. Having a lot of mana is meaningless when you don't know the proper way to use it, just makes you good at battles of attrition, which wasn't the case here. In the world of Mushoku Tensei, mages are MUCH weaker than swordsmen. You better get used to that or you'll be disappointed. The only known exception was Laplace, but it wasn't solely due to his large mana pool. Rudeus can't even cast healing magic without chanting, can't even regenerate lost body parts, and you think he's on Laplace's level just because he has the same mana pool? |
| A lot of misinformation here The Eye of Foresight can read 5-10 seconds into the future, but the further it goes, the more it becomes unreliable (as enemies can just attack somewhere else if you dodge before they attack), and it costs more mana (which isn't really a problem here but it's important to note anyway), so just because you can see 10 seconds into the future, doesn't mean that you should see that far ahead As others said here, because of Rudeus' position (close range), his Eye of Foresight doesn't work well because from his POV he can't see the Hydra's full body, so it can still attack outside of the vision of his Eye of Foresight The Hydra is also a very high rank monster, and everyone except Rudeus and Roxy were S-rank adventurers, and despite all that, no one has ever seen a monster like that The Hydra is also shown being an intelligent creature, as it tried to remove the cauterized parts to be able to heal itself again The Hydra's "Disturb Magic" is different from the "Disturb Magic" Rudeus uses, as it's a particularity of its scales, meaning the Hydra can use it without incantation (this is why Rudeus have to stay close to it, to be able to cauterize the wounds before it can use its scales) Rudeus himself is also young, doesn't have as much experience as the others, and most of his advantages are cancelled during the fight :
And lastly, everything that happens when he gets saved by Paul (twice) happens in a very short time, it's not like he stays on the ground for like 5 seconds And to be fair, killing a high rank monster no one knows anything about, and losing only a close-range fighter and one arm is a very small price to pay, especially since they were only using Rudeus' plan that was afaik entirely based off his past life's knowledge about hydra legends |
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@xiMii
"He rescued Roxy using a <<Water Emperor>> class magic Absolute Zero"
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Rudy is a strategist who has been humbled by both the D-Tier Group incident and Orsted. He should not be leaving himself open like he did in that episode by any means. He knows what's at stake and how important this mission is. What happened at the end of Ep.22 is fine but how it happened isn't. Which is as I said, was poor writing but S2P2 is still a 9/10 to me. So I am serious with what I said.
"He rescued Roxy using a <<Water Emperor>> class magic Absolute Zero"
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Rudy is a strategist who has been humbled by both the D-Tier Group incident and Orsted. He should not be leaving himself open like he did in that episode by any means. He knows what's at stake and how important this mission is. What happened at the end of Ep.22 is fine but how it happened isn't. Which is as I said, was poor writing but S2P2 is still a 9/10 to me. So I am serious with what I said.
DatManJB said: "He rescued Roxy using a <<Water Emperor>> class magic Absolute Zero" Source: https://mushokutensei.fandom.com/wiki/Rudeus_Greyrat/Chronology#:~:text=He%20rescued%20Roxy%20using%20a,and%20stated%20attacking%20on%20Rudeus. That wiki is incorrect. Rudy used a lower tier spell with boosted power that caused Roxy to mistake it for Water Emperor spell - Absolute Zero. This distinction is important. Yes Rudy's spells are more powerful by the tiers of the spells he uses arent high. To put it in RPG terms: Its like using a spell with a low scaling modifier while having very high intelligence. It will deal comparable damage to a higher tier spell with less intelligence. But it will lack a lot of the properties of the higher tier spell, and ofcourse if Rudy could actually cast Emperor level spells his would be way more powerful to those of the average mage. |
| “Ha ha, the synergy between my left and right hand made them feel scared.” Ye Xiu said. |
| first rudy is not emperor class magician he has been saint level only since he was 5 years old. second, he didnt need to go all out since there's a plan in motion already on how to defeat the hydra bcz of his huge mana pool his each incantation less magic shoot is atleast 5x powerful than same spell casted by other magicialn (with incantations) fourth bcz of plans rudy have to go closer to hydra and hence cant see his full body and for using demon eye on hydra i guess you need to see whole body which he cant (i can be wrong here so feel free to correct me) fifth if he uses his saint tier magic columbous(name might be wrong) in closed space like dungeon then he might kill his own party and why he didnt used other powerful spells again go to second - they had planning - what was the plan and why they even need to plant - go watch episode dude its explained clearly |
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BimJomp said:
@V1P3R0P Your defense of the Eye of Foresight's limitations is adorably simplistic. Yes, stronger opponents can attack in multiple variations within a second, but to claim that this makes the Eye entirely unpredictable is an exaggeration. The Eye of Foresight provides a significant tactical advantage, and dismissing it so quickly shows a lack of strategic imagination.
Their so-called flawless "Chop Chop and burn" strategy was anything but. If it were truly effective, they wouldn't have been caught off guard by the Hydra's last-ditch neck swings. A truly impactful strategy would have accounted for all possible contingencies, including a creature's desperate flailing.
Suggesting that no change in strategy was needed is laughable. A good strategist adapts and evolves their approach, especially when faced with unforeseen circumstances. The surprise attack only exposed the weaknesses in their supposedly "flawless" plan. Relying solely on brute force without incorporating more nuanced tactics or leveraging Rudeus' full range of abilities was a glaring oversight.
Their strategy was far from perfect, and dismissing the need for strategic adaptation is a sign of limited thinking. If they had truly considered all variables and utilized their resources more effectively, the outcome could have been different. It's clear they needed more than just chopping and burning; they needed a comprehensive and adaptable strategy.
@V1P3R0P Your defense of the Eye of Foresight's limitations is adorably simplistic. Yes, stronger opponents can attack in multiple variations within a second, but to claim that this makes the Eye entirely unpredictable is an exaggeration. The Eye of Foresight provides a significant tactical advantage, and dismissing it so quickly shows a lack of strategic imagination.
Their so-called flawless "Chop Chop and burn" strategy was anything but. If it were truly effective, they wouldn't have been caught off guard by the Hydra's last-ditch neck swings. A truly impactful strategy would have accounted for all possible contingencies, including a creature's desperate flailing.
Suggesting that no change in strategy was needed is laughable. A good strategist adapts and evolves their approach, especially when faced with unforeseen circumstances. The surprise attack only exposed the weaknesses in their supposedly "flawless" plan. Relying solely on brute force without incorporating more nuanced tactics or leveraging Rudeus' full range of abilities was a glaring oversight.
Their strategy was far from perfect, and dismissing the need for strategic adaptation is a sign of limited thinking. If they had truly considered all variables and utilized their resources more effectively, the outcome could have been different. It's clear they needed more than just chopping and burning; they needed a comprehensive and adaptable strategy.
for one, We have the privilege as a viewer to comment on the strategy being imperfect based on what we see, But thats not the same for the characters right in there. Ok, their strategy was way too simplistic. But it was still effective if not perfect. When fighting against a high level monster, that nobody has much info on, its really difficult to come up with last minute strategies, unless the person involved has prior battle experience with monsters of the same class. In this case, Rudeus was their main strategist, but he lacked enough experience in that area. No womder he was taken aback, when Hydra started swinging its neck.
| @V1P3R0P You're missing the point entirely. While we, as viewers, have the privilege of seeing the bigger picture, it's precisely the lack of strategic depth from Rudeus that is under scrutiny here. Yes, fighting a high-level monster with limited information is challenging. However, that's where creativity and adaptability should come into play—qualities a true strategist must possess. Rudeus, despite his limited experience, should have leveraged his extensive magical prowess and intellect to devise a more nuanced plan. The Hydra's neck swings may have been unexpected, but a comprehensive strategy would have included contingencies for such unpredictable actions. Effectiveness in strategy isn’t just about immediate success but about anticipating possible complications. Rudeus' failure to do so highlights a significant gap in his strategic thinking. Claiming that the simplistic strategy was “still effective” is a weak defense; effective strategy adapts and evolves in real-time, especially against formidable foes. So, while the characters might not have our hindsight, Rudeus' shortcomings as a strategist are clear. A truly effective leader prepares for the unexpected, and in this case, Rudeus fell short. |
| ๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ ๐ผ๐ฎ๐ฝ๐ฝ๐ต๐ฎ ๐ฏ๐ธ๐ป ๐ถ๐ฎ๐ญ๐ฒ๐ธ๐ฌ๐ป๐ฒ๐ฝ๐ ๐๐ฑ๐ฎ๐ท ๐๐ธ๐พ ๐ฌ๐ช๐ท ๐ผ๐ฝ๐ป๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฎ ๐ฏ๐ธ๐ป ๐ซ๐ป๐ฒ๐ต๐ต๐ฒ๐ช๐ท๐ฌ๐ฎ? ๐๐ผ ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐น๐ป๐ฎ๐ถ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ป ๐ช๐ท๐ฒ๐ถ๐ฎ ๐ฌ๐ป๐ฒ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ฌ ๐ช๐ท๐ญ ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐ถ๐ฒ๐ท๐ญ ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ท๐ญ ๐๐ฝ๐ฎ๐ป๐ท๐ช๐ต ๐ ๐พ๐ฎ๐ผ๐ฝ, ๐ ๐ซ๐ป๐ฒ๐ท๐ฐ ๐พ๐ท๐ถ๐ช๐ฝ๐ฌ๐ฑ๐ฎ๐ญ ๐น๐ป๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ผ๐ฒ๐ธ๐ท ๐ช๐ท๐ญ ๐ฒ๐ท๐ผ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฝ ๐ฝ๐ธ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐ป๐ ๐ป๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐. ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ช๐ฝ๐ฎ ๐๐ธ๐พ๐ป ๐ฝ๐ช๐ผ๐ฝ๐ฎ ๐ธ๐ป ๐ป๐ฎ๐ถ๐ช๐ฒ๐ท ๐ต๐ธ๐ผ๐ฝ ๐ฒ๐ท ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐ท๐ธ๐ฒ๐ผ๐ฎ.๐งโจ |
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@V1P3R0P You're missing the point entirely. While we, as viewers, have the privilege of seeing the bigger picture, it's precisely the lack of strategic depth from Rudeus that is under scrutiny here.
Yes, fighting a high-level monster with limited information is challenging. However, that's where creativity and adaptability should come into play—qualities a true strategist must possess. Rudeus, despite his limited experience, should have leveraged his extensive magical prowess and intellect to devise a more nuanced plan. The Hydra's neck swings may have been unexpected, but a comprehensive strategy would have included contingencies for such unpredictable actions.
Effectiveness in strategy isn’t just about immediate success but about anticipating possible complications. Rudeus' failure to do so highlights a significant gap in his strategic thinking. Claiming that the simplistic strategy was “still effective” is a weak defense; effective strategy adapts and evolves in real-time, especially against formidable foes.
So, while the characters might not have our hindsight, Rudeus' shortcomings as a strategist are clear. A truly effective leader prepares for the unexpected, and in this case, Rudeus fell short.
Yes, fighting a high-level monster with limited information is challenging. However, that's where creativity and adaptability should come into play—qualities a true strategist must possess. Rudeus, despite his limited experience, should have leveraged his extensive magical prowess and intellect to devise a more nuanced plan. The Hydra's neck swings may have been unexpected, but a comprehensive strategy would have included contingencies for such unpredictable actions.
Effectiveness in strategy isn’t just about immediate success but about anticipating possible complications. Rudeus' failure to do so highlights a significant gap in his strategic thinking. Claiming that the simplistic strategy was “still effective” is a weak defense; effective strategy adapts and evolves in real-time, especially against formidable foes.
So, while the characters might not have our hindsight, Rudeus' shortcomings as a strategist are clear. A truly effective leader prepares for the unexpected, and in this case, Rudeus fell short.
BimJomp said: @V1P3R0P You're missing the point entirely. While we, as viewers, have the privilege of seeing the bigger picture, it's precisely the lack of strategic depth from Rudeus that is under scrutiny here. Yes, fighting a high-level monster with limited information is challenging. However, that's where creativity and adaptability should come into play—qualities a true strategist must possess. Rudeus, despite his limited experience, should have leveraged his extensive magical prowess and intellect to devise a more nuanced plan. The Hydra's neck swings may have been unexpected, but a comprehensive strategy would have included contingencies for such unpredictable actions. Effectiveness in strategy isn’t just about immediate success but about anticipating possible complications. Rudeus' failure to do so highlights a significant gap in his strategic thinking. Claiming that the simplistic strategy was “still effective” is a weak defense; effective strategy adapts and evolves in real-time, especially against formidable foes. So, while the characters might not have our hindsight, Rudeus' shortcomings as a strategist are clear. A truly effective leader prepares for the unexpected, and in this case, Rudeus fell short. Turns out he ain't as smart as you, Sherlock. You are missing the point that, Rudeus is not a perfect strategist, Atleast not yet. It's like, this entire time, you are expecting him to be just an effective strategist, a perfect leader, without much battle experience. That just makes him no different than an Overpowered MC from any random Overpowered Iseakais out there. What you are failing to understand is that, this is not what this show is trying to make him be. |
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BimJomp said:
@V1P3R0P You're missing the point entirely. While we, as viewers, have the privilege of seeing the bigger picture, it's precisely the lack of strategic depth from Rudeus that is under scrutiny here.
Yes, fighting a high-level monster with limited information is challenging. However, that's where creativity and adaptability should come into play—qualities a true strategist must possess. Rudeus, despite his limited experience, should have leveraged his extensive magical prowess and intellect to devise a more nuanced plan. The Hydra's neck swings may have been unexpected, but a comprehensive strategy would have included contingencies for such unpredictable actions.
Effectiveness in strategy isn’t just about immediate success but about anticipating possible complications. Rudeus' failure to do so highlights a significant gap in his strategic thinking. Claiming that the simplistic strategy was “still effective” is a weak defense; effective strategy adapts and evolves in real-time, especially against formidable foes.
So, while the characters might not have our hindsight, Rudeus' shortcomings as a strategist are clear. A truly effective leader prepares for the unexpected, and in this case, Rudeus fell short.
@V1P3R0P You're missing the point entirely. While we, as viewers, have the privilege of seeing the bigger picture, it's precisely the lack of strategic depth from Rudeus that is under scrutiny here.
Yes, fighting a high-level monster with limited information is challenging. However, that's where creativity and adaptability should come into play—qualities a true strategist must possess. Rudeus, despite his limited experience, should have leveraged his extensive magical prowess and intellect to devise a more nuanced plan. The Hydra's neck swings may have been unexpected, but a comprehensive strategy would have included contingencies for such unpredictable actions.
Effectiveness in strategy isn’t just about immediate success but about anticipating possible complications. Rudeus' failure to do so highlights a significant gap in his strategic thinking. Claiming that the simplistic strategy was “still effective” is a weak defense; effective strategy adapts and evolves in real-time, especially against formidable foes.
So, while the characters might not have our hindsight, Rudeus' shortcomings as a strategist are clear. A truly effective leader prepares for the unexpected, and in this case, Rudeus fell short.
Turns out he ain't as smart as you, Sherlock.
You are missing the point that, Rudeus is not a perfect strategist, Atleast not yet.
It's like, this entire time, you are expecting him to be just an effective strategist, a perfect leader, without much battle experience. That just makes him no different than an Overpowered MC from any random Overpowered Iseakais out there.
What you are failing to understand is that, this is not what this show is trying to make him be.
| @V1P3R0P It's not about expecting Rudeus to be a perfect strategist right off the bat. The point is that even with his imperfections, there should be a level of tactical growth and adaptability that he's clearly lacking. It's not about him being an overpowered MC from a typical isekai, but about showing some semblance of strategic development. What you seem to be missing is that a character can be flawed and still exhibit growth in their strategic thinking. The show's portrayal of his tactical decisions often feels lacking, which detracts from his potential as a nuanced character. Expecting better doesn't mean wanting an overpowered protagonist; it means wanting realistic and compelling character development. |
| ๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ ๐ผ๐ฎ๐ฝ๐ฝ๐ต๐ฎ ๐ฏ๐ธ๐ป ๐ถ๐ฎ๐ญ๐ฒ๐ธ๐ฌ๐ป๐ฒ๐ฝ๐ ๐๐ฑ๐ฎ๐ท ๐๐ธ๐พ ๐ฌ๐ช๐ท ๐ผ๐ฝ๐ป๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฎ ๐ฏ๐ธ๐ป ๐ซ๐ป๐ฒ๐ต๐ต๐ฒ๐ช๐ท๐ฌ๐ฎ? ๐๐ผ ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐น๐ป๐ฎ๐ถ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ป ๐ช๐ท๐ฒ๐ถ๐ฎ ๐ฌ๐ป๐ฒ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ฌ ๐ช๐ท๐ญ ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐ถ๐ฒ๐ท๐ญ ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ท๐ญ ๐๐ฝ๐ฎ๐ป๐ท๐ช๐ต ๐ ๐พ๐ฎ๐ผ๐ฝ, ๐ ๐ซ๐ป๐ฒ๐ท๐ฐ ๐พ๐ท๐ถ๐ช๐ฝ๐ฌ๐ฑ๐ฎ๐ญ ๐น๐ป๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ผ๐ฒ๐ธ๐ท ๐ช๐ท๐ญ ๐ฒ๐ท๐ผ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฝ ๐ฝ๐ธ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐ป๐ ๐ป๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐. ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ช๐ฝ๐ฎ ๐๐ธ๐พ๐ป ๐ฝ๐ช๐ผ๐ฝ๐ฎ ๐ธ๐ป ๐ป๐ฎ๐ถ๐ช๐ฒ๐ท ๐ต๐ธ๐ผ๐ฝ ๐ฒ๐ท ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐ท๐ธ๐ฒ๐ผ๐ฎ.๐งโจ |
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Piromysl said:
Rudy daydreaming in the middle of the fight is definitely something he deserves to be called out for,
Rudy daydreaming in the middle of the fight is definitely something he deserves to be called out for,
Rudy wasn't daydreaming in the middle of the fight. He got genuinely confused due to information overload because of what he was seeing through his demon eye given that the hydra was still trying to attack even with the heads that got cut off, on top of the fact he saw Paul's death before it happened.
@SkyhighCFC Decided to rewatch the scene and nothing implied, that his Demon Eye was acting up. Paul even had to save him twice. First time he clearly got complacent and second time he literally averted his gaze from the enemy, which is the rookiest mistake an adventurer can make. |
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@SkyhighCFC Decided to rewatch the scene and nothing implied, that his Demon Eye was acting up. Paul even had to save him twice. First time he clearly got complacent and second time he literally averted his gaze from the enemy, which is the rookiest mistake an adventurer can make.
| @Piromysl This is something that is made more clear in the LNs (allegedly). I got this information from friends of mine who've read the LN (and I've seen others make these claims in other forums as well). So I just think this is a failure on the anime's part to properly depict this. |
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