Konosuba: An Explosion on This Wonderful World! (light novel)
| Am I the only one who finds it rather intriguing that if we didn't know the fate of Megumin x Kazuma or weren't familiar with the original KonoSuba at all, then this show could quite easily pass for yuri bait or yuri subtext? No, I'm not going to say that Megumin and YunYun are gay for each other. Rather, the show, being straight, plays a lot of the things that usually get labeled bait or subtext by western audiences. And if I didn't know the context, I myself could fall into this trap if I think about it. |
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| This series does seem to push yuribait like joking that megumin got ntred when Yunyun went with a different team once. I would not call Konosuba a romance at all though. The romance to me feels like a random addition at the end for closure like with the end of Naruto Shippuden. |
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rohantambe123 said: I'm not saying this is a yuri show. I mean that within its context, the show freely uses things that would have long been called bait and subtext by a Western audience without it. I find this interesting because I often try to prove to people that the bait and subtext in some shows is only in their head.yes it can be observed that way but I don't think it aims to be Yuri as an adaptation |
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Polvo_Aranha said: I saw many people talking about Yuri context about the last episode, but I looked like the author wanted to show Megumin really like Yunyun as a friend after all. Also the yuri stuff will be a joke in the main series lastest volumes. rohan121 said: Personally, I find this to be typical gay jokes about someone's overt friendship. This would be much more obvious in a male show, but Western (and sometimes Japanese) audiences tend to take this kind of thing between female characters too seriously.This series does seem to push yuribait like joking that megumin got ntred when Yunyun went with a different team once. I would not call Konosuba a romance at all though. The romance to me feels like a random addition at the end for closure like with the end of Naruto Shippuden. |
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| Girls are frequently talking and fantasizing about boys, which entire purpose is to diminish yuri bait. Megumin even accurately described her future love interest.    Not that it would stop fetishists... |
PiromyslApr 30, 2023 7:48 AM
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EnoD said: If you're on Twitter watching a show where two characters of the same gender are friendly to each other, then maybe.Huh, having friends is gay now. Noted. |
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EnoD said: You don't know such a thing as sarcasm?Bro I deleted my Twitter account several years ago, that one being one of the reasons |
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EnoD said: Well, I'm not saying this show is gay. Even vice versa.RobertBobert said: You don't know such a thing as sarcasm? I do, though it gets irritating to see people are still trying to gayify random shit (My old reply bugged on my end so I had to delete it, whatever) |
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| By that logic pretty much every Isekai-Comedy should also pass as an Ecchi Show and every Shonen with a love interest involved should get the "romance" Tag? |
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Merve2Love said: Do I have to remind you how many people justify their attacks on the near-dead harem genre with links to isekai shows with multiple love interests?By that logic pretty much every Isekai-Comedy should also pass as an Ecchi Show and every Shonen with a love interest involved should get the "romance" Tag? |
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RobertBobert said: Merve2Love said: Do I have to remind you how many people justify their attacks on the near-dead harem genre with links to isekai shows with multiple love interests?By that logic pretty much every Isekai-Comedy should also pass as an Ecchi Show and every Shonen with a love interest involved should get the "romance" Tag? hm. Is that true? Even if it is...that was not....at all....the point I was arguing xD |
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Merve2Love said: I just wanted to say that when people realize that their argument is rather subjective or even extremely weak, they begin to jump at the slightest opportunity to make something in their favor. For example, people accused the first season of Elite Class of ecchi just because in the season one finale, one of the characters stole women's panties in order to quarrel guys with girls. Well, you understand, women's panties are pantsu, and pantsu is a cliché from ecchi. So this is supposedly ecchi.RobertBobert said: Do I have to remind you how many people justify their attacks on the near-dead harem genre with links to isekai shows with multiple love interests? hm. Is that true? Even if it is...that was not....at all....the point I was arguing xD |
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| I think that if Konosuba dont exists, this series would be seen as a "Little Witch Academia wannabe" with a Yuri bait... |
betoharu said: Many people already think that LWA was yuri. Although the director denied this several times when he answered that he was not against shiping as such.I think that if Konosuba dont exists, this series would be seen as a "Little Witch Academia wannabe" with a Yuri bait... |
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| I have to say, that even having seen the rest of Konosuba's anime so far, I got a lot of yuri vibes from Megumin and Yunyun all the same. I might even be inclined to ship it more. Granted, my perspective may be biased that way as a diet-gay woman (bi), but I think I can gather from this thread here that I'm not alone in it being a valid reading of the emotions put forth in these first few episodes at least. Piromysl said: Girls are frequently talking and fantasizing about boys, which entire purpose is to diminish yuri bait. Megumin even accurately described her future love interest. Not that it would stop fetishists... It may be typical of someone like me to say this (as someone that just admitted that they read the show that way), but seeing chemistry between two characters, whether it was canonically intended or not, is not the same as "fetishizing" the characters, the ship, or yuri as a whole, and honestly I found that insinuation to be pretty insulting. That being said though, even if someone does have anime yaoi/yuri fetishes (I've been known to enjoy some yaoi, ngl), it doesn't affect you in any way other than some random ship art/convo in the fandom you don't need to participate in... I don't see why anyone would need to be "stopped". Let people have fun, ffs. As long as they're not making longass Twitter threads about how "Megumin x Yunyun is THE CANON SHIP and she and Kazuma only have a thing later because the mangaka is HOMOPHOBIC" (like some "Twitter freaks" are known to do), it's nothing to get pressed about. Also: I figured girls talking about boys was supposed to just be a normal part of a girl's life and to depict normal school settings and friendly conversation. My bad, that was written in JUST to silence yuri shippers as its ENTIRE purpose, of course... |
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MoonSpider said: I think the main sources of confusion here are two things. The frivolous attitude to the plot and, in general, the love of the Japanese for both homoeroticism and comic homoeroticism in platonic things. This is a fairly new thing for the west, especially within modern culture. For the Japanese, openly using homosexual metaphors to describe friendship is quite common. At least for women, thanks to Class S.I have to say, that even having seen the rest of Konosuba's anime so far, I got a lot of yuri vibes from Megumin and Yunyun all the same. I might even be inclined to ship it more. Granted, my perspective may be biased that way as a diet-gay woman (bi), but I think I can gather from this thread here that I'm not alone in it being a valid reading of the emotions put forth in these first few episodes at least. Piromysl said: Girls are frequently talking and fantasizing about boys, which entire purpose is to diminish yuri bait. Megumin even accurately described her future love interest. Not that it would stop fetishists... It may be typical of someone like me to say this (as someone that just admitted that they read the show that way), but seeing chemistry between two characters, whether it was canonically intended or not, is not the same as "fetishizing" the characters, the ship, or yuri as a whole, and honestly I found that insinuation to be pretty insulting. That being said though, even if someone does have anime yaoi/yuri fetishes (I've been known to enjoy some yaoi, ngl), it doesn't affect you in any way other than some random ship art/convo in the fandom you don't need to participate in... I don't see why anyone would need to be "stopped". Let people have fun, ffs. As long as they're not making longass Twitter threads about how "Megumin x Yunyun is THE CANON SHIP and she and Kazuma only have a thing later because the mangaka is HOMOPHOBIC" (like some "Twitter freaks" are known to do), it's nothing to get pressed about. Also: I figured girls talking about boys was supposed to just be a normal part of a girl's life and to depict normal school settings and friendly conversation. My bad, that was written in JUST to silence yuri shippers as its ENTIRE purpose, of course... |
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MoonSpider said: It may be typical of someone like me to say this (as someone that just admitted that they read the show that way), but seeing chemistry between two characters, whether it was canonically intended or not, is not the same as "fetishizing" the characters, the ship, or yuri as a whole, and honestly I found that insinuation to be pretty insulting. That being said though, even if someone does have anime yaoi/yuri fetishes (I've been known to enjoy some yaoi, ngl), it doesn't affect you in any way other than some random ship art/convo in the fandom you don't need to participate in... I don't see why anyone would need to be "stopped". Let people have fun, ffs. As long as they're not making longass Twitter threads about how "Megumin x Yunyun is THE CANON SHIP and she and Kazuma only have a thing later because the mangaka is HOMOPHOBIC" (like some "Twitter freaks" are known to do), it's nothing to get pressed about. Also: I figured girls talking about boys was supposed to just be a normal part of a girl's life and to depict normal school settings and friendly conversation. My bad, that was written in JUST to silence yuri shippers as its ENTIRE purpose, of course... You missed the point by like entirely. The point is, that girls talking about boys is taking quite a lot of screentime and Dodonko was even seen hitting on Kazuma in the movie. This is characterization. And the thing is, I honestly doubt, that lesbians would be fantasizing about male love interests. Unless it's just "Goblin turning on the stove" moment. For example, in last season's Buddy Daddies writers went out of their way to convey that there will be absolutely no romance between two main leads by one of them having a deceased wife and an unborn child, while treating partner as a child. I honestly have no idea what else could they do to thoroughly convey that, but people were still shipping and attacking others with accusations of homophobia. And by "fetishists" I mean those Twitter freaks you accurately described, who unironically seem to believe, that there is absolutely no such thing as friendship between two characters of the same genders. Obviously, everyone can ship whoever they want and have their own headcanons. But the problem starts, when you do not agree with said headcanons or even attack others over it. |
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Piromysl said: Friendship haha. I recently saw the HSR fandom use a character's grief for her lost childhood friend as evidence that there really is something between them. On the one hand, I can understand the logic "proximity = ship", but on the other hand, it seemed to imply that a platonic friendship, even a very strong one, should exclude mourning for the dead. This is reminiscent of the time when any closeness between siblings in anime was instantly called bait incest.MoonSpider said: It may be typical of someone like me to say this (as someone that just admitted that they read the show that way), but seeing chemistry between two characters, whether it was canonically intended or not, is not the same as "fetishizing" the characters, the ship, or yuri as a whole, and honestly I found that insinuation to be pretty insulting. That being said though, even if someone does have anime yaoi/yuri fetishes (I've been known to enjoy some yaoi, ngl), it doesn't affect you in any way other than some random ship art/convo in the fandom you don't need to participate in... I don't see why anyone would need to be "stopped". Let people have fun, ffs. As long as they're not making longass Twitter threads about how "Megumin x Yunyun is THE CANON SHIP and she and Kazuma only have a thing later because the mangaka is HOMOPHOBIC" (like some "Twitter freaks" are known to do), it's nothing to get pressed about. Also: I figured girls talking about boys was supposed to just be a normal part of a girl's life and to depict normal school settings and friendly conversation. My bad, that was written in JUST to silence yuri shippers as its ENTIRE purpose, of course... You missed the point by like entirely. The point is, that girls talking about boys is taking quite a lot of screentime and Dodonko was even seen hitting on Kazuma in the movie. This is characterization. And the thing is, I honestly doubt, that lesbians would be fantasizing about male love interests. Unless it's just "Goblin turning on the stove" moment. For example, in last season's Buddy Daddies writers went out of their way to convey that there will be absolutely no romance between two main leads by one of them having a deceased wife and an unborn child, while treating partner as a child. I honestly have no idea what else could they do to thoroughly convey that, but people were still shipping and attacking others with accusations of homophobia. And by "fetishists" I mean those Twitter freaks you accurately described, who unironically seem to believe, that there is absolutely no such thing as friendship between two characters of the same genders. Obviously, everyone can ship whoever they want and have their own headcanons. But the problem starts, when you do not agree with said headcanons or even attack others over it. |
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| " I honestly doubt, that lesbians would be fantasizing about male love interests" I mean, I don't think literally anyone used the term "lesbian". Bisexual people exist... Even if someone thought that Megumin x Yunyun was canon, they only couldn't argue that she is lesbian because of her relationship with Kazuma later. Thus, theoretically making her bisexual. Idk why people tend to think that having a crush/relationship with someone of the opposite sex means that they can't do the same with the same sex earlier/later in life, but it's a very stale argument. And of course I agree that there needs to be a distinction between canon and headcanon too. Though I will additionally clarify that someone saying that the show is giving them some vibes isn't the same as plucking things out of thin air and that it's all in their head either. Not necessarily, at least. |
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MoonSpider said: Bisexual people exist... Somehow I knew you'll say exactly that, because that's a very common cop-out. It was used all the time regarding aforementioned Buddy Daddies. I do not respect this argument at all, because girls talking about boys, while attending all girls school, instead of even giving any hint of being interested in other girls is quite conclusive, that they are NOT EVEN bisexual and I do not even need any prior knowledge of what happens in the main series or later in the LN. Now, as I mentioned before, everyone is free to draw their own conclusion, but what original author envisioned pretty clear. Obviously, there are some exceptions from every rule, like for example in RWBY, where authors made a terrible mistake of listening and catering to shippers and making ship between two girls canon out of nowhere without any prior buildup, which eventually dragged the story down. Or Euphonium. If you know, you know. |
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Piromysl said: "instead of even giving any hint of being interested in other girls" is completely just antithetical to what people are picking up; they are watching the same show and thinking, "is Megumin/Yunyun interested?!", so obviously people feel like there ARE hints there, intended or not. MoonSpider said: Bisexual people exist... Somehow I knew you'll say exactly that, because that's a very common cop-out. It was used all the time regarding aforementioned Buddy Daddies. I do not respect this argument at all, because girls talking about boys, while attending all girls school, instead of even giving any hint of being interested in other girls is quite conclusive, that they are NOT EVEN bisexual and I do not even need any prior knowledge of what happens in the main series or later in the LN. Now, as I mentioned before, everyone is free to draw their own conclusion, but what original author envisioned pretty clear. Obviously, there are some exceptions from every rule, like for example in RWBY, where authors made a terrible mistake of listening and catering to shippers and making ship between two girls canon out of nowhere without any prior buildup, which eventually dragged the story down. Or Euphonium. If you know, you know. And what the author originally envisioned is irrelevant cause we were literally just talking vibes lmao like "did you all feel some yuri-ness too?" "ye, I did" "I didn't" "everyone is free to come to their own conclusions, BUT THERE ISN'T SO MUCH AS A HINT OF INTEREST" uh-huh... Like I don't even like this ship like that, I was just saying I felt some vibes and was trying to leave it at that |
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MoonSpider said: "instead of even giving any hint of being interested in other girls" is completely just antithetical to what people are picking up; they are watching the same show and thinking, "is Megumin/Yunyun interested?!", so obviously people feel like there ARE hints there, intended or not. And what the author originally envisioned is irrelevant cause we were literally just talking vibes lmao like "did you all feel some yuri-ness too?" "ye, I did" "I didn't" "everyone is free to come to their own conclusions, BUT THERE ISN'T SO MUCH AS A HINT OF INTEREST" uh-huh... Like I don't even like this ship like that, I was just saying I felt some vibes and was trying to leave it at that I am willing to concede the point, that this is entirely subjective. But still, you would need to be either biased or completely deny the existence of female friendship for those vibes to exist. |
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Piromysl said: I mean, how exactly is someone supposed to point at scenes in a piece of work like this and say, "here is where the author was definitively hinting at a possible romantic relationship"? The way they look at each other, the proximity, the blushing - they all look so stupid trying to explain all that, like robots trying to understand emotion imo. So like, if someone were to say that the vibes are there, how are they supposed to prove it? It's more trouble than it's worth, especially if it amounts to nothing in the end.MoonSpider said: "instead of even giving any hint of being interested in other girls" is completely just antithetical to what people are picking up; they are watching the same show and thinking, "is Megumin/Yunyun interested?!", so obviously people feel like there ARE hints there, intended or not. And what the author originally envisioned is irrelevant cause we were literally just talking vibes lmao like "did you all feel some yuri-ness too?" "ye, I did" "I didn't" "everyone is free to come to their own conclusions, BUT THERE ISN'T SO MUCH AS A HINT OF INTEREST" uh-huh... Like I don't even like this ship like that, I was just saying I felt some vibes and was trying to leave it at that I am willing to concede the point, that this is entirely subjective. But still, you would need to be either biased or completely deny the existence of female friendship for those vibes to exist. I opened up my initial post, if you go back and see it, that I disclosed my bias pretty much immediately, explaining that I'm a bi woman myself (or diet-gay, as I like to call it). Like, I would never deny a platonic female friendship existing and I DID already admit that I might have some bias feeling pretty gay myself. BUT I don't know that I'd go as far to say that that's the ONLY way you could interpret yuri-ness from this series. Like, come on. You either feel it or you don't; there doesn't need to be some grand reason for it. I'm not going to go scene-by-scene with you to explain how, but I still don't think it being there is a reach. |
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| Instead of Yuri. It's more or less on the line of "Shoujo Ai" where 2 or more girls are extremely friendly with each other. But not to the point of "yuri" where "seggs interactions" are done. But then again... it's not really Shoujo Ai either since Megu isn't exactly the "best friend"... They're just "good friends" with Megu being a massive tsundere. |
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