Why so much disparity between novel, manga, and anime.

Dec 5, 2022 7:44 AM

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Krishvanza123456 said:
What's going on here, the rating are increasing in order of more words. So why is anime lower than novel and even manga, I can read the novel if it is really that good, while the anime being mediocre.

Not a novel reader but I have read the manga (albeit after watching the anime) and the anime leaves out quite a lot of details that are in the manga, and has some holes in the story telling. Certain events happen before they happen in the manga and don’t make a lot of sense because of that, and the pacing is quite fast. It’s still one of my favorite animes of all time though!

Dec 5, 2022 11:33 AM

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Novel is really detailed. I still haven't finished it but I must have read half of it and i can say it really is detailed. Sometimes the details are too much, but it's nice to read it with more detaile. I can say that the manga is better than the anime, but there is not much difference. You don't need to read novel because its long and can be boring sometimes. I can recommend the manga. Overall i prefer manga

Dec 5, 2022 6:53 PM

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I have read 4 volumes of the novel and the anime really cuts many parts from it! Which is not a surprise since the novel have 9 volumes and the anime is 11 episodes long lmao

Dec 5, 2022 9:04 PM

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Saimatsu_Fan

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Who cares it's a shitty fujoshi bait novel

Jan 7, 2023 8:38 PM

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madorkakaname

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Saimatsu_Fan said:
Who cares it's a shitty fujoshi bait novel

my apologies, but this is a ridiculous and gross misreading of the novel; this perspective can only be assumed by someone approaching the novel with hopes of explicit gay romance taking the forefront. of course, this novel series isn't about gay romance. it's about imperialism and capitalism, it's written by a member of the japanese communist party, after all.

the reader is supposed to be shion, someone living in the imperial core, ignorant to the atrocities committed by their nation to maintain hegemony. he is radicalized by experiencing an event that triggers his empathy for his fellow man, marginalization via being forced out of a privileged class (still in the imperial core), and then witnessing an event that removes any doubt of "foul play" by intelligence agencies representing the imperial nation. we are shion as members of the imperial core (presumably japanese, and then euroamericans), we are moving through a story that radicalizes us to revolt against a state that systematically disenfranchises those in the peripheries and killed off the native people to occupy their land (nezumi is one of these natives). this isn't even me reading into this, it's literally in the english-translated afterward by the author. in volume two she writes:

"As you are reading this particular page of the story right now, what sort of scene is unfolding around you? What is happening with the wars, with starvation, with the world? Is the killing still
continuing? Is hatred still overflowing? Is despair still brimming?... Yes: I feel like I've lived thus far without knowing anything, nor trying to know. I suffer no ailments; I never need to worry about food for tomorrow; I live life without having to feel a smidgeon of fear from being blasted by landmines or rocket bombs. I love my somewhat boring, but peaceful life. And that's fine in itself. But when I peeled back a bit of that peaceful life, I couldn't go without seeing that it was actually very closely connected with foreign lands that seemed so distant; with the war and starvation that people were suffering in those lands. Individuals are always connected to their nation, and the nation is always connected to the rest of the world. It is impossible to cut them apart. And I have finally realized that."

it was daring of her to portray a gay male romance––it wasn't pandering and it wasn't published in the jōsei or bl genre; it was published in young adult entertainment. the manga however was published in a young women's magazine, but none of the other manga in the magazine were bl. it's not baiting anyone and it's just a disrespectful read to a daring woman living in a country where communist thought is suppressed, attempting to write a subversive novel critical of her nation's system.

Jan 8, 2023 12:04 AM

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madorkakaname said:

Saimatsu_Fan said:
Who cares it's a shitty fujoshi bait novel

my apologies, but this is a ridiculous and gross misreading of the novel; this perspective can only be assumed by someone approaching the novel with hopes of explicit gay romance taking the forefront. of course, this novel series isn't about gay romance. it's about imperialism and capitalism, it's written by a member of the japanese communist party, after all.

the reader is supposed to be shion, someone living in the imperial core, ignorant to the atrocities committed by their nation to maintain hegemony. he is radicalized by experiencing an event that triggers his empathy for his fellow man, marginalization via being forced out of a privileged class (still in the imperial core), and then witnessing an event that removes any doubt of "foul play" by intelligence agencies representing the imperial nation. we are shion as members of the imperial core (presumably japanese, and then euroamericans), we are moving through a story that radicalizes us to revolt against a state that systematically disenfranchises those in the peripheries and killed off the native people to occupy their land (nezumi is one of these natives). this isn't even me reading into this, it's literally in the english-translated afterward by the author. in volume two she writes:

"As you are reading this particular page of the story right now, what sort of scene is unfolding around you? What is happening with the wars, with starvation, with the world? Is the killing still
continuing? Is hatred still overflowing? Is despair still brimming?... Yes: I feel like I've lived thus far without knowing anything, nor trying to know. I suffer no ailments; I never need to worry about food for tomorrow; I live life without having to feel a smidgeon of fear from being blasted by landmines or rocket bombs. I love my somewhat boring, but peaceful life. And that's fine in itself. But when I peeled back a bit of that peaceful life, I couldn't go without seeing that it was actually very closely connected with foreign lands that seemed so distant; with the war and starvation that people were suffering in those lands. Individuals are always connected to their nation, and the nation is always connected to the rest of the world. It is impossible to cut them apart. And I have finally realized that."

it was daring of her to portray a gay male romance––it wasn't pandering and it wasn't published in the jōsei or bl genre; it was published in young adult entertainment. the manga however was published in a young women's magazine, but none of the other manga in the magazine were bl. it's not baiting anyone and it's just a disrespectful read to a daring woman living in a country where communist thought is suppressed, attempting to write a subversive novel critical of her nation's system.

Imagine defending a Communist

Fucking disgusting

Jan 8, 2023 6:44 PM

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madorkakaname

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Saimatsu_Fan said:

madorkakaname said:

my apologies, but this is a ridiculous and gross misreading of the novel; this perspective can only be assumed by someone approaching the novel with hopes of explicit gay romance taking the forefront. of course, this novel series isn't about gay romance. it's about imperialism and capitalism, it's written by a member of the japanese communist party, after all.

the reader is supposed to be shion, someone living in the imperial core, ignorant to the atrocities committed by their nation to maintain hegemony. he is radicalized by experiencing an event that triggers his empathy for his fellow man, marginalization via being forced out of a privileged class (still in the imperial core), and then witnessing an event that removes any doubt of "foul play" by intelligence agencies representing the imperial nation. we are shion as members of the imperial core (presumably japanese, and then euroamericans), we are moving through a story that radicalizes us to revolt against a state that systematically disenfranchises those in the peripheries and killed off the native people to occupy their land (nezumi is one of these natives). this isn't even me reading into this, it's literally in the english-translated afterward by the author. in volume two she writes:

"As you are reading this particular page of the story right now, what sort of scene is unfolding around you? What is happening with the wars, with starvation, with the world? Is the killing still
continuing? Is hatred still overflowing? Is despair still brimming?... Yes: I feel like I've lived thus far without knowing anything, nor trying to know. I suffer no ailments; I never need to worry about food for tomorrow; I live life without having to feel a smidgeon of fear from being blasted by landmines or rocket bombs. I love my somewhat boring, but peaceful life. And that's fine in itself. But when I peeled back a bit of that peaceful life, I couldn't go without seeing that it was actually very closely connected with foreign lands that seemed so distant; with the war and starvation that people were suffering in those lands. Individuals are always connected to their nation, and the nation is always connected to the rest of the world. It is impossible to cut them apart. And I have finally realized that."

it was daring of her to portray a gay male romance––it wasn't pandering and it wasn't published in the jōsei or bl genre; it was published in young adult entertainment. the manga however was published in a young women's magazine, but none of the other manga in the magazine were bl. it's not baiting anyone and it's just a disrespectful read to a daring woman living in a country where communist thought is suppressed, attempting to write a subversive novel critical of her nation's system.

Imagine defending a Communist

Fucking disgusting

forgot what website i was on. i presumed you had critical reading skills or a conscience. i tend to forget most anime fans just guzzle down japanese imperialist media with no second thought in their head and no historical background of japan. sorry for wasting my time on you, but the joke's on you anyways for reading or watching her content in the first place.

Jan 8, 2023 9:23 PM

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Saimatsu_Fan

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madorkakaname said:

Saimatsu_Fan said:

madorkakaname said:

Saimatsu_Fan said:
Who cares it's a shitty fujoshi bait novel

my apologies, but this is a ridiculous and gross misreading of the novel; this perspective can only be assumed by someone approaching the novel with hopes of explicit gay romance taking the forefront. of course, this novel series isn't about gay romance. it's about imperialism and capitalism, it's written by a member of the japanese communist party, after all.

the reader is supposed to be shion, someone living in the imperial core, ignorant to the atrocities committed by their nation to maintain hegemony. he is radicalized by experiencing an event that triggers his empathy for his fellow man, marginalization via being forced out of a privileged class (still in the imperial core), and then witnessing an event that removes any doubt of "foul play" by intelligence agencies representing the imperial nation. we are shion as members of the imperial core (presumably japanese, and then euroamericans), we are moving through a story that radicalizes us to revolt against a state that systematically disenfranchises those in the peripheries and killed off the native people to occupy their land (nezumi is one of these natives). this isn't even me reading into this, it's literally in the english-translated afterward by the author. in volume two she writes:

"As you are reading this particular page of the story right now, what sort of scene is unfolding around you? What is happening with the wars, with starvation, with the world? Is the killing still
continuing? Is hatred still overflowing? Is despair still brimming?... Yes: I feel like I've lived thus far without knowing anything, nor trying to know. I suffer no ailments; I never need to worry about food for tomorrow; I live life without having to feel a smidgeon of fear from being blasted by landmines or rocket bombs. I love my somewhat boring, but peaceful life. And that's fine in itself. But when I peeled back a bit of that peaceful life, I couldn't go without seeing that it was actually very closely connected with foreign lands that seemed so distant; with the war and starvation that people were suffering in those lands. Individuals are always connected to their nation, and the nation is always connected to the rest of the world. It is impossible to cut them apart. And I have finally realized that."

it was daring of her to portray a gay male romance––it wasn't pandering and it wasn't published in the jōsei or bl genre; it was published in young adult entertainment. the manga however was published in a young women's magazine, but none of the other manga in the magazine were bl. it's not baiting anyone and it's just a disrespectful read to a daring woman living in a country where communist thought is suppressed, attempting to write a subversive novel critical of her nation's system.

Imagine defending a Communist

Fucking disgusting

forgot what website i was on. i presumed you had critical reading skills or a conscience. i tend to forget most anime fans just guzzle down japanese imperialist media with no second thought in their head and no historical background of japan. sorry for wasting my time on you, but the joke's on you anyways for reading or watching her content in the first place.

Maybe because most people aren't stuck up pretentious dummies who need to think " critically" of everything is why they watch Japanese imperialist media and focus on what matters like plot, Characters, etc

You're the type of person who unironically would say " all art is political "

And considering that you don't watch many anime you don't have much knowledge either, get down from your high horse mr.critcial thinker

May 27, 2023 11:04 AM

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Kimo45

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so its gay sex with a lot of plot

May 28, 2023 2:13 PM

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madorkakaname said:
forgot what website i was on. i presumed you had critical reading skills or a conscience. i tend to forget most anime fans just guzzle down japanese imperialist media with no second thought in their head and no historical background of japan. sorry for wasting my time on you, but the joke's on you anyways for reading or watching her content in the first place.

madorkakaname said:

Saimatsu_Fan said:

madorkakaname said:

Saimatsu_Fan said:
Who cares it's a shitty fujoshi bait novel

my apologies, but this is a ridiculous and gross misreading of the novel; this perspective can only be assumed by someone approaching the novel with hopes of explicit gay romance taking the forefront. of course, this novel series isn't about gay romance. it's about imperialism and capitalism, it's written by a member of the japanese communist party, after all.

the reader is supposed to be shion, someone living in the imperial core, ignorant to the atrocities committed by their nation to maintain hegemony. he is radicalized by experiencing an event that triggers his empathy for his fellow man, marginalization via being forced out of a privileged class (still in the imperial core), and then witnessing an event that removes any doubt of "foul play" by intelligence agencies representing the imperial nation. we are shion as members of the imperial core (presumably japanese, and then euroamericans), we are moving through a story that radicalizes us to revolt against a state that systematically disenfranchises those in the peripheries and killed off the native people to occupy their land (nezumi is one of these natives). this isn't even me reading into this, it's literally in the english-translated afterward by the author. in volume two she writes:

"As you are reading this particular page of the story right now, what sort of scene is unfolding around you? What is happening with the wars, with starvation, with the world? Is the killing still
continuing? Is hatred still overflowing? Is despair still brimming?... Yes: I feel like I've lived thus far without knowing anything, nor trying to know. I suffer no ailments; I never need to worry about food for tomorrow; I live life without having to feel a smidgeon of fear from being blasted by landmines or rocket bombs. I love my somewhat boring, but peaceful life. And that's fine in itself. But when I peeled back a bit of that peaceful life, I couldn't go without seeing that it was actually very closely connected with foreign lands that seemed so distant; with the war and starvation that people were suffering in those lands. Individuals are always connected to their nation, and the nation is always connected to the rest of the world. It is impossible to cut them apart. And I have finally realized that."

it was daring of her to portray a gay male romance––it wasn't pandering and it wasn't published in the jōsei or bl genre; it was published in young adult entertainment. the manga however was published in a young women's magazine, but none of the other manga in the magazine were bl. it's not baiting anyone and it's just a disrespectful read to a daring woman living in a country where communist thought is suppressed, attempting to write a subversive novel critical of her nation's system.

Imagine defending a Communist

Fucking disgusting

forgot what website i was on. i presumed you had critical reading skills or a conscience. i tend to forget most anime fans just guzzle down japanese imperialist media with no second thought in their head and no historical background of japan. sorry for wasting my time on you, but the joke's on you anyways for reading or watching her content in the first place.

madorkakaname said:

Saimatsu_Fan said:

madorkakaname said:

Saimatsu_Fan said:
Who cares it's a shitty fujoshi bait novel

my apologies, but this is a ridiculous and gross misreading of the novel; this perspective can only be assumed by someone approaching the novel with hopes of explicit gay romance taking the forefront. of course, this novel series isn't about gay romance. it's about imperialism and capitalism, it's written by a member of the japanese communist party, after all.

the reader is supposed to be shion, someone living in the imperial core, ignorant to the atrocities committed by their nation to maintain hegemony. he is radicalized by experiencing an event that triggers his empathy for his fellow man, marginalization via being forced out of a privileged class (still in the imperial core), and then witnessing an event that removes any doubt of "foul play" by intelligence agencies representing the imperial nation. we are shion as members of the imperial core (presumably japanese, and then euroamericans), we are moving through a story that radicalizes us to revolt against a state that systematically disenfranchises those in the peripheries and killed off the native people to occupy their land (nezumi is one of these natives). this isn't even me reading into this, it's literally in the english-translated afterward by the author. in volume two she writes:

"As you are reading this particular page of the story right now, what sort of scene is unfolding around you? What is happening with the wars, with starvation, with the world? Is the killing still
continuing? Is hatred still overflowing? Is despair still brimming?... Yes: I feel like I've lived thus far without knowing anything, nor trying to know. I suffer no ailments; I never need to worry about food for tomorrow; I live life without having to feel a smidgeon of fear from being blasted by landmines or rocket bombs. I love my somewhat boring, but peaceful life. And that's fine in itself. But when I peeled back a bit of that peaceful life, I couldn't go without seeing that it was actually very closely connected with foreign lands that seemed so distant; with the war and starvation that people were suffering in those lands. Individuals are always connected to their nation, and the nation is always connected to the rest of the world. It is impossible to cut them apart. And I have finally realized that."

it was daring of her to portray a gay male romance––it wasn't pandering and it wasn't published in the jōsei or bl genre; it was published in young adult entertainment. the manga however was published in a young women's magazine, but none of the other manga in the magazine were bl. it's not baiting anyone and it's just a disrespectful read to a daring woman living in a country where communist thought is suppressed, attempting to write a subversive novel critical of her nation's system.

Imagine defending a Communist

Fucking disgusting

forgot what website i was on. i presumed you had critical reading skills or a conscience. i tend to forget most anime fans just guzzle down japanese imperialist media with no second thought in their head and no historical background of japan. sorry for wasting my time on you, but the joke's on you anyways for reading or watching her content in the first place.

oof, I'm sorry you had to deal with such an ignorant pr*ck who ignores the context in which a story is written to say the story elements are the only things that matter, lol.

I just finished watching this series and your thoughts on it made the story even more appealing, thank you! While watching, I did feel like some stuff was missing, which I assumed must've been due to budget cuts or overall production limitations. I hope this will get another anime adaptation in the future. In the meantime, I'm off to reading the novel. Just wanted to leave my two cents so you can see not every otaku is trash xD

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