A huge crazy plot hole between Wakaba story and Gin story?

Rob7 said:
Bait title for novel readers lol


Just curious about why in the very begin of the story the first girls already had one "makai" or "suicidal powerup skill"*, but 3 centuries later (CENTURIES!) the rotten root cult was not able the create anything safer and in fact they let Gin dies without NOTHING special to activate.


Do your best to explain this convenient hole.



* we all know that the special trick is only a plot device to: "We need something to set that no matter winning or losing the battles, the magical girls will SUFFER"

Schlimm said:


@Rob7 it's not the mankai used by the previous heroes you could say their own abilities can also be called trump cards the pattern is indeed similar to the mankai but literally different from mankai meaning "withered flower" which sacrifices the body parts of the girls to the tree god while the power used by the previous hero is their own power that is obtained from the gods that burdens all parts of their body which means their power is more risky than "mankai" their various types of power show the original power possessed by heroes who are also influenced by their determination to save others For example, Takashima Yuuna, who is usually paired with Wakaba, has the power to help the front line heroes at that time. In this story, Yuuna is the only one who has the determination so that the form of change is more than 1, there is an emotional development here, but it can be compared with Wakaba who has great power to fight the enemy. Here we are shown how humans appreciate or don't appreciate the struggles that have been carried out by girls so that it makes us wonder whether humans deserve to be saved and in the Yuuki Yuuna chapter the heroes change their struggles not for humans but for themselves, especially Yuuna who fights for her own happiness. Because at first vertex came because of human activity. Compared to the previous heroes, the girls reported in the media put pressure on the heroes so that the next generation of heroes can be seen in the generation of heroes. Yuuki Yuuna's story, the heroes are not published in the media or politics, but only known to taisha people, it can be explained in Gin's death which dialogue "we are the government" also don't know anything" maybe around this dialogue I don't remember exactly what the dialogue is like. Maybe that's all I'm talking about, I can add or correct my writing.

Hey, it's fiction. What causes plot holes is not lack of reality, but lack of explanation.

I think it would be OK if the story came with "Hey Togo and Sonoko, here is your new mankai, we IN THE PAST had something like this to power-up heroes in emergencies, but more dangerous, and we cancelled because they were using it without any critteria and dying even when they could survive".


wow, can i be an YuYu novel author?

Thanks, but could you point where is the explanation of the complete lack of any "Trump Card" skill by the time Gin's group was introduced, 300 years later than Takashima's one?

Remembering that soon after Gin's death, they came with the Mankai, meaning that the Taisho always was seeking for a trump card to defeat Vertex on emergencies.

The plot hole is Gin having to die without any emergency special skills to powerup her or any of the girls before the death. Even 300 years after the Taisho starts to develop this kind of feature.

Catalano said:
they never mention that the past heroes use mankai and gin fought 3 vertex, she probably used some sorta powerup but to no avail.
everything is experimental, this season they tried to bloom a sacred tree in the void but they had to get it back because they needed the power for the hero system.
yuyuyu is actually intelligent

FlyingEgg said:
My theory is that Taisha has indeed been developing the new Hero System (including Mankai) for those 300 years. By the time Gin's group start fighting, the Mankai system is almost finished, but Taisha just needs a little bit more data to finish the system. So, they used Gin's group as "guinea pigs" to collect data from their fights. And after Gin's death, they finally have enough data to complete the system.

I think this answer the question of "why the Mankai system is only introduced shortly after the girls start fighting again". Because it's impossible to collect more data about the fights during time of peace.

Another explanation is that, after 300 years of peace, Taisha simply underestimated how difficult it is to fight the Vertexes and they think that they can get away without using any "Power Up" system.

Rob7 said:
Bait title for novel readers lol

Just curious about why in the very begin of the story the first girls already had one "mankai" or "suicidal powerup skill"*, but 3 centuries later (CENTURIES!) the rotten root cult was not able the create anything safer and in fact they let Gin dies without NOTHING special to activate.

Do your best to explain this convenient hole.

* we all know that the special trick is only a plot device to: "We need something to set that no matter winning or losing the battles, the magical girls have to SUFFER"

Rob7 said:
Wait, peace? Lots and lots of girls died fighting in those 300 years between Wakaba's story and Gin. That memorial is full of names.

In fact in the end of the last season of YuYu all the dead girls came to "give a hand" to Togo while rescuing Yuna from that marriage ceremony.

FlyingEgg said:

Have you seen the newest episode? After the death of Takashima Yuuna, Taisha thought that they have no chance to beat the Vertexes. So, they decided to do the Fire Offering Festival: beg forgiveness from the Heavenly Gods by literally throwing young girls outside the walls and letting them burn in hell.

In the LN, it's explained that the Heavenly Gods let humanity survive, on the condition that humans give up their Hero powers, and to never go outside Shinju's boundary. Humanity were basically locked inside a cage.

As for the graves in the memorial, I think most of them are Miko. I'm sure you already know a few of them: Kokudo Aya, Uesato Hinata, and even Tougou Mimori (who doubles as a Hero). There are a lot more Miko beside them. Their main task is to receive oracles from Shinju.

And I'm not 100% sure about this... but the Fire Offering Festival was not done only once, but regularly. Maybe once a few years or even every year. Each time, several Mikos are sacrificed. That's why after 300 years, we end up with so many graves in the memorial. One can say that, even though the Mikos don't fight, they also protected humanity by sacrificing themselves, and so they're not very different from the Heroes.

Yuvensius said:
I don't know the details yet as this story is exclusive to the gacha game lol.