About the Kiseki series

LloydBann1ngs said:
Liberl Arc and Crossbell Arcs are Masterpiece

But...

ColdSteel Ruined everything.
Nihom Falcom biggest mistake is that piece of sh*t

Aoishi said:
[size=170]This is why I believe that Kiseki is not something that you can adapt in any way to other medium. Stuff like manga and anime just aren't enough to make this work shine. Not only for the massive size, but also for its narrative style.

That said, apparently we have some info about this anime not being actually centered on Sen no Kiseki story (Thank godness because how tf do you adapt 500h+ long story lmao) rather, it will be an anime with a new cast based on Sen no Kiseki (so during CS1 apparently). The anime will actually show other scenes not presented in the games (those who played CS1/CS2 and CS3 must have some ideas). It will be set in Western Zemuria, so probably not only limited to the Erebonian Empire. I can actually imagine it visiting places like Jurai and North Ambria. It could also cover stuff that the game couldn't show due to production and time.
The producers said something about it being enjoyable by both fan of the series and those who don't know about it, idk really what to expect for this reason but I guess we will need to wait and see actual information.

Avvenirista said:

But there is a manga adaptation of Sen no Kiseki (1) by Sagara Riri of Sounan Desu Ka? fame.
Now, I know that it follows only the streamlined main story but that still seems like a valid adaptation as long as it's read as supplementary material for fans of the series.

And may I please ask a source for the last part? All that sounds so very good.

Aoishi said:


https://twitter.com/Hansuke21/status/1369372916387831815

Just gave a look at a pair of chapters and yeah its ok to read if you played the games but again my reason to say that Sen no Kiseki is basically impossible to adapt is because you lose most of the best parts of it (Worldbuilding), and the manga seems rushed as hell, thats why I suggest to simply play the games.

LloydBann1ngs said:
''you are just salty Rean did the harem better lmao''

ColdSteel fans being a bunch of idiots as ever.

Aoishi said:


Reminder that most of the CS "issues" like harem and fanservice were started by Ao.
Reminder that Crossbell itself as an arc shares a lot with CS and it doesn't work without it (Just like CS doesn't work without Crossbell)
Reminder that most "ColdSteel" fans are just Trails fans that like the story for whatever it is, especially considering that most important elements of CS plot were thought even before Zero (Since Crossbell arc wasn't even planned, nor was Sky 3rd).

Man... Can't believe Lloyd Bann1ngs created an account to slander his friend's arc

mosam00 said:



I got into Trails last year, played up to Zero, waiting for Geofront to finish Azure, I really enjoyed those games though. Cold Steel is still good though right? Like, for the most part I've seen positive stuff about it, but then I see random people like this Lloydbannings account hating on it. Fanservice and harem really doesn't bother me tbh, I'm all for the harem tbh looool.

I'm pretty excited to get to Cold Steel with how they set up some of it in Sky The Third (the Star door to do with Olivier) so it's kinda jarring seeing random outbursts about it like from that Lloydbannings account.

I haven't played a lot of video games series, but Trails is on course to be my favourite tbh, even above Persona and Xenoblade Chronicles. Hopefully I will have played all the Cold Steel games before the anime comes out.

Valyrian1124 said:
Hoping it will showcase what Rean was up to in between CS2 and CS3, including the North Ambria operation.

Aoishi said:
Nah dw the Cold Steel debate is always exaggerated and shit.

Valyrian1124 said:

It's a generational war, the same as any other when a franchise goes for long enough. Generational wars have been happening as far back as the TOS vs TNG wars in the 1980s, but I think the Trails fandom is especially bad.

In the beginning, there were a handful of diehard fans who played the original PSP version of FC, who waited years for the retranslation and SC to come out. They founded the Trails fandom in the West. Their word was dogma, and they're rather rabid and chase out people who don't agree with their opinions. They were reinforced by the echo-chamber/hivemind that is the reddit due to the upvote/downvote system, where you are incentivized to say the popular thing to get that dopamine hit of upvotes, and if you're unpopular, then seeing your opinions collapsed and buried for getting too many downvotes eventually makes you just stop going to the subreddit altogether.

The diehards told people "no no, you just HAVE to start at FC! And if you don't play the series in order, then you are getting a subpar experience and your opinions are wrong!". Going through that play order is grueling and only a small fraction of people survive it, and if they do survive it, the naturally they are diehard fans who will regurgitate that same opinion over and over to newcomers.

And, ofcourse, you had the Crossbell games, which were fantranslated by the core group of diehards who tout it nonstop, and by this point and people who are participating in the fandom have probably survived the grueling induction ritual, so ofcourse they're going to play Crossbell and tout it as the best thing ever. It helps that they have the confirmation bias that hardly anyone who isn't already a fan of Trails is going to download and install fan translations, and then say "well, actually Ao is a meh game".

You also have the CinemaSins generation of internet posters, who think that they are smart for pointing out cliches, and since anime became mainstream in 2011-2012, most people are familiar with tropes that were popular in the 2010s. It's easy to call out the tropes in Cold Steel and then turn around and say "Trails in the Sky didn't rely on anime tropes!"... because those people hadn't seen the anime from the 1990s and early 2000s that Sky drew upon.

Any way, my obligatory hot take tax: CS2 (10/10 amazing) > CS1 (9/10 great) > 3rd (8/10 very good) > FC (7/10 good) > CS3 = CS4 = SC = Zero (6/10 fine) >> Ao (4/10 bad)

Valyrian1124 said:

It's a generational war, the same as any other when a franchise goes for long enough. Generational wars have been happening as far back as the TOS vs TNG wars in the 1980s, but I think the Trails fandom is especially bad.

In the beginning, there were a handful of diehard fans who played the original PSP version of FC, who waited years for the retranslation and SC to come out. They founded the Trails fandom in the West. Their word was dogma, and they're rather rabid and chase out people who don't agree with their opinions. They were reinforced by the echo-chamber/hivemind that is the reddit due to the upvote/downvote system, where you are incentivized to say the popular thing to get that dopamine hit of upvotes, and if you're unpopular, then seeing your opinions collapsed and buried for getting too many downvotes eventually makes you just stop going to the subreddit altogether.

The diehards told people "no no, you just HAVE to start at FC! And if you don't play the series in order, then you are getting a subpar experience and your opinions are wrong!". Going through that play order is grueling and only a small fraction of people survive it, and if they do survive it, the naturally they are diehard fans who will regurgitate that same opinion over and over to newcomers.

And, ofcourse, you had the Crossbell games, which were fantranslated by the core group of diehards who tout it nonstop, and by this point and people who are participating in the fandom have probably survived the grueling induction ritual, so ofcourse they're going to play Crossbell and tout it as the best thing ever. It helps that they have the confirmation bias that hardly anyone who isn't already a fan of Trails is going to download and install fan translations, and then say "well, actually Ao is a meh game".

You also have the CinemaSins generation of internet posters, who think that they are smart for pointing out cliches, and since anime became mainstream in 2011-2012, most people are familiar with tropes that were popular in the 2010s. It's easy to call out the tropes in Cold Steel and then turn around and say "Trails in the Sky didn't rely on anime tropes!"... because those people hadn't seen the anime from the 1990s and early 2000s that Sky drew upon.

Any way, my obligatory hot take tax: CS2 (10/10 amazing) > CS1 (9/10 great) > 3rd (8/10 very good) > FC (7/10 good) > CS3 = CS4 = SC = Zero (6/10 fine) >> Ao (4/10 bad)

aliuzr98otaku said:
CS1 9/10? U joking right?