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Nov 13, 2017 4:03 AM
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THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER.
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» Tsukiyamaaa I love him <3 his speech got me a bit emotional and that expression was pretty heartbreaking TwT
» Dad Ayato is back with a bunch of underground kids yeah!
» Finally a piece of mystery about Washuu was being revealed
» WTF KANOU ENDED HIMSELF!!!!
» It's nice to see Kurona!!
» And Rize!!! She looks as gorgeous as ever!
» Also Kimi!!!! Nishikimi reunion anytime now please Ishida!!
» "Yo! Touka-chan! Want to dig up some Kaneki?" I love my boi u///u
» Now "Save Kaneki Squad" is complete (Hide, Tsukiyama, Touka)
» Where is Seidou

"If Kanou gone to the grave, then our insurance will appear"
So, Hide really knows/predicted everything huh? Does by insurance he meant Kimi and co? (or rather those pile of books she holds)
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Loved the chapter!
Shuu is such a great character.
Lol at Touka admitting she sucks at Japanese and at Tsukiyama coming up with names for the child.
Wasn’t expecting Kanou to go out like that.
Nov 13, 2017 4:21 AM
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Tsukiyama what a speech, I lol'd @ "and maybe one day have a bite of the parent child combo" and all the names he had thought about the kid 😂😂

Let's dig up some Kaneki then!!
"At some point, I stopped hoping."
Nov 13, 2017 4:32 AM
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A beautiful chapter we got this week i must admit.

Let's see
Tsukiyama's speech

Surely this is one of the highlights of this chapter.We got to see Tsukiyama's true feelings towards Kaneki.And one important thing is he isn't speaking for himself only,he was speaking about all the loved ones of Kaneki.He mentioned that he can't read books nor can he cradle his own child.He just wants to see him happy.

This creates an effect among everyone.And i laughed at Tsukiyama's attempt at giving a name to Kaneki's child.

And at last Ayato arrives,though he doesn't come in a flash still he arrives at an important point of time.

And Itori leaves the group.She has chosen the Clown side not the Goat side.


Dr. Kanou & Kuro


This is one of the emotional parts of the chapter.Kanou is feeling empty after he achieved what he had always intended, to break the birdcage.He also reveals an important point that Ghoul research has points in medicine.I feel this will become an important factor in the future.

He also reveals that Waashu's are a clan who came from the middle east.I think this is fitting because the legend of Ghoul stories came from the middle east.Their cannibalism gave them lot of power.

And Kanou's suicide really took me off-guard.We thought he may be the final villain so it took us surprised.

And as Kimi joined Marude,so there is no chance that she will be a villain now.I feel Kanou left instructions what needs to be done in this very situation.Hoping she meets Nishio soon.

Hide-Touka reunion

As the Goat decides how to rescue Kaneki Hide with Akira and Amon arrives.Naturally Toula is shocked to see them.

But I feel this chapter perfectly mirrors the theme of Re.After darkness there is clear sky with sunshine.I feel there is hope that Ishida wants to show us in this chapter.Kaneki can be saved from this,(though he may go to heaven at the end still at least Mankind and Ghouls can be saved from Dragon).And I sense this is the beginning of the Ghoul-Human alliance through the efforts of Hide.

Overall,I give this chapter full 10/10.Now eagerly waiting for the next chapter.






Nov 13, 2017 4:37 AM
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Wow Hide has actually the whole thing planned out.

The first 2 pages, like I mentioned in the last chapter, shows how well Tsukiyama knows Kaneki and the long relationship they have. And he just screwed the pooch with the naming thing, even if the translation was screwy the last name, Kaneki Kaneki had to have been the same in Japanese, how the hell did he think of that.

Nice to see Amon and Akira back. What the hell happened to Hide's eyes.

Also holy shit, didn't think Kanou would go and off himself.
Nov 13, 2017 4:41 AM
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Kanou was always such a mysterious characters in the story, I thought there was gonna be a time when he gets more screen time. Can't say I'm satisfied with the way and how soon he met his end, specially with all the atrocious things he did, but oh well.
Tsukiyama crying makes me sad, he's so different than the way he was on the beginning of the manga, sincerely caring for others now (well, mostly Kaneki). Ayato is back already, I thought we would get more of his adventures on the underground city, but I think he at least got some useful information. Still wanted to see the old One-Eyed King, now I don't know if he/she will appear.
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Nov 13, 2017 4:42 AM
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What the fuck was with Kanou killing himself? That shit was anticlimactic as fuck. I expected so much more from him but I guess Ishida is really tired of the series and wants to wrap it up quick. This is the second time I've rated a chapter 1/5.
Nov 13, 2017 5:16 AM
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Tsukiyama is just great, ive missed him
Nov 13, 2017 5:35 AM
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Vivekananda said:
And Itori leaves the group.She has chosen the Clown side not the Goat side.

She always been on the Clown side imo.
Itori leaves because her attempt at riling up and manipulating Goat failed with Tsukiyama's speech, Ayato arrival, etc.
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ayye nice chapter there
looks like we are going to dig up some Kaneki, bring the shovels!!

Also was Ayato there the whole time? wonder if when we'll get to know more about his underground adventures
Nov 13, 2017 6:33 AM

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Pleasure Kaneki
Now thats a nice name Tsukiyama


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Nov 13, 2017 6:47 AM
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This chapter just made my day😂
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If you don't realize that this whole thing was planned by Ishida then you better give the series a second read. It's almost unreal the amount of foreshadowing that it's not surprising anymore.

So let's rehearse from the beginning:



















Ishida is a genius writer whatever anybody might think.
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This arc has been great, reminds me of the original TG
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Shicchi said:
Vivekananda said:
And Itori leaves the group.She has chosen the Clown side not the Goat side.

She always been on the Clown side imo.
Itori leaves because her attempt at riling up and manipulating Goat failed with Tsukiyama's speech, Ayato arrival, etc.


Yeah I know but she had come to save Yomo along with Uta indicating she values her friendship with him over their respective alliance.She could have chosen to side with Goat now but refrained.This is Ishida's way of showing how different she is from our protagonist Ghouls.






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looks like its kanou's plan all along created the prototype (kaneki) with the kakuhou of rize, a binge eater, a perfect source of rc cells. Next he practiced creating half ghouls(kurona, nashiro, takizawa, amon), then mass produced(oggai squad), then the nucleus(furuta) and when eaten by kaneki, its finished the "Tokyo Ghoul". I'm glad that even though he's dead there's still information he left, and the kanou assistant to help ccg, kinda intriguing what more revelations he's hiding. A bit of interesting history about washuu, they practice cannibalism.

Tsukiyama drama was sad and funny at the same time. Wants to eat both father and child, a combo set xD
Nov 13, 2017 8:28 AM
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another great chapter!! didn't expect kanou to die that fast but oh well. can't wait for the next chapter to do some "digging"
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Sometimes this manga makes me feel idiot and confused but then it opens so beautifully that i'm just full of joy. I love how Tsukiyama sees Kaneki and how Hide has always cared for him. This manga is sooooo packed of emotions that even though at one point you find a character bad, at last you will understand the reasons behind its deeds
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Let's go dig up some Kaneki next chapter
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Tsukiyamaaaaaa aghhhhhhh my heart Oh God bless his soul.
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Disappointed with Kanou's end, so anticlimactic. His motivations are cliche as well.

Apart from that the chapter was great, Tsukiyama is such a great bro and his character development is the best.

I liked the lighthearted style of the chapter, got sick of the never ending darkness in this arc

@b-okiya

So? Just being planned is not enough, the execution is important. And Kanou appearing again after such a long time and just killing himself is lame as fuck.

This is like Naruto where every bad guy isn't so evil after all..boring
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I also was not fond of the way Kanou died... Just when we see him again after so long, he's now dead... :/ Now that Kanou no longer has goal, he decides to end his life... I'm unsatisfied.

It was touching when Tsukiyama cried, and asked if he was the only one who wanted to see Kaneki happy.... x.x It's clear Tsukiyama has always looked out for Kaneki's well-being. <3 That bit about Tsukiyama wanting to eat Kaneki and his child was an lol moment. it would be hilarious if one of Tsukiyama's recommended baby names, was taken as a nickname... :P

It's good to see Ayato back, but I wanted a flashy return.... x.x

It's good to see that Hide, Amon, and Akira approached GOAT in the end. This may be the human and ghoul alliance finally taking place, the co-existence that Kaneki dreamed of.

Regarding Kimi...let's see what she has in store, to help CCG. I do want to see her reunion with Nishiki...
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Aww, great chapter ^^ Loved it!!

I thought this would finally shut some people up, but no, there we go again: it's become garbage and things....

Just take a break and read the whole manga again!

Meanwhile we'll go dig up some Kaneki, yeeeeey!!! : )


Thats what I did a month ago and it makes me like :Re now even less because the first half was pretty good.
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Bring on the shovels it's time for treasure hunt.
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I Hate this chapter

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Tsukiyama.... What a guy T_T
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Tsukiyama!! His speech brought tears to my eyes. He basically summed up in words whatever I've been feeling.
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"A bird who would be born, must first destroy a world."
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It all make sense now.
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KANEKI KANEKI
Tsukiyama best bro
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Hope we get to see an appearance from Itori again!
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What the fuck did Kanou just do LOL
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I am sorry this is hilarious, seeing them trying it's hardest to try to defend Kaneki and seeing how all the others bystander ghouls buyed into this whole self-righteous believe that Kaneki should live after what happened is laughable. I dont know how Ishida did it, but is briliant how little i care about anyone in this hell hole of a manga at this point.
Characters keep on being demoted to nothing more than plot devices and as soon as they are not needed to the plot anymore they get killed off in a blick of an eye.
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Shu's speech was nice up to the comedy. Naming the child was funny.
Kurona and yet an image or Rize again. Kanou doing that to himself was understandable ,I mean part 1 he showed he didn't want to live ,but he wanted the world to see the truth.
Mission accomplished then?
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Bring out the shovels

I really laughed my ass of this chapter.
Nov 14, 2017 3:55 PM

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Shicchi said:

» And Rize!!! She looks as gorgeous as ever!

Indeed.


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» Also Kimi!!!! Nishikimi reunion anytime now please Ishida!!

Yeah, this so much! The first true human-ghoul relationship of the new world/future. The only reason they broke up was to protect her and free her from having to wait for him when they went into hiding. Both reasons are non issues now..


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» "Yo! Touka-chan! Want to dig up some Kaneki?" I love my boi u///u
» Now "Save Kaneki Squad" is complete (Hide, Tsukiyama, Touka)

woot.. Time to save Kaneki!


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I am sorry this is hilarious, seeing them trying it's hardest to try to defend Kaneki and seeing how all the others bystander ghouls buyed into this whole self-righteous believe that Kaneki should live after what happened is laughable. I dont know how Ishida did it, but is briliant how little i care about anyone in this hell hole of a manga at this point.

What? Why shouldn't he?
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SeidouTZ said:
I am sorry this is hilarious, seeing them trying it's hardest to try to defend Kaneki and seeing how all the others bystander ghouls buyed into this whole self-righteous believe that Kaneki should live after what happened is laughable. I dont know how Ishida did it, but is briliant how little i care about anyone in this hell hole of a manga at this point.

What? Why shouldn't he?

Unconsciously or not he still responsible for committing mass murder, this will cause a giant outbursts of the general public and having even bigger increasing of the already negative view humans have of ghouls now. Coexisting will become impossible at this point and all because of Kaneki actions.
Sure his friends have all right to defend him, but all other people that barely know him should feel infuriated. Not simply say "yeah this random guy deserves to live an happy life even tho he pretty much screwed ours".
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SeidouTZ said:
James_xeno said:

What? Why shouldn't he?

Unconsciously or not he still responsible for committing mass murder, this will cause a giant outbursts of the general public and having even bigger increasing of the already negative view humans have of ghouls now. Coexisting will become impossible at this point and all because of Kaneki actions.
Sure his friends have all right to defend him, but all other people that barely know him should feel infuriated. Not simply say "yeah this random guy deserves to live an happy life even tho he pretty much screwed ours".


You never know with the terrible writer that Ishida turned out to be. He will pull peace ouf of his ass if need be even though humans going harsher against ghouls would make much more sense

I agree that its ridiculous that some no name's would be cheering for Kaneki after what he did...
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Aardwolf94 said:
SeidouTZ said:

Unconsciously or not he still responsible for committing mass murder, this will cause a giant outbursts of the general public and having even bigger increasing of the already negative view humans have of ghouls now. Coexisting will become impossible at this point and all because of Kaneki actions.
Sure his friends have all right to defend him, but all other people that barely know him should feel infuriated. Not simply say "yeah this random guy deserves to live an happy life even tho he pretty much screwed ours".


You never know with the terrible writer that Ishida turned out to be. He will pull peace ouf of his ass if need be even though humans going harsher against ghouls would make much more sense

I agree that its ridiculous that some no name's would be cheering for Kaneki after what he did...

You forgot that nobody knows that that mosnter is Kaneki except those directly involved.

The ghoul faction would help get rid of this monster, and the whole of Tokyo, humans and ghouls alike, would witness this. For those who doesn't know Kaneki, he is common enemy of human and ghoul now. And both human and ghoul would join hand in exterminate him.

When in truth, the internal people, will dig out Kaneki.

Tbh I'm still not sure what Ishida planning.

It's true that people are too forgiving of Kaneki. When in truth, he did mass murder people. Sure, that Tsukiyama's speech would connect to people closest to Kaneki (Goat). But what about Amon and Akira? The CCG? I think Amon and Akira's care for Kaneki is justified enough. However, they must realize that Kaneki did kill a lot of innocent people in that form. The CCG and the human side agreed to join hands with Ghouls just to "exterminate" Kaneki first and foremost. Whether he ended up guilty or not, it would determinded later I think. Everyone's priority right now is to "kill monster Kaneki" (calm him down, waking him up, get rid of his Kakuja, dig him out).

I think what would be the most challenge in forgiving Kaneki is Kaneki himself rather than random people. He would faster kill himself than forgiving himself mass murdering his own kind (both humans and ghouls). Even if Hide, Touka (and the baby), Tsukiyama there, I don't know. The first thing that come to mind when he turned into monster "Oh man it's over. Even when he can turn back to human form, he would destroy himself from inside". In short, I still find it hard to picture Kaneki out of this mess magically cured. This is when Hide's love will play part I guess ; w ;
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Tsukiama.... I just want to see kaneki happy

Me too tsukiama I want to see this most miserable man in history a little bit happy

Kaneki if I were you I'd better die and get rest already....
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tsukiyama had me in legit tears with the "father and child combo meal" and the baby names oh my god i love him

kanou's suicide was something i was NOT expecting

really excited to see hide + touka reunite (i chuckled at the "lets go dig some kaneki")
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KANEKI KANEKI


i swear if that kid isn't named kaneki kaneki im gonna be so disappointed
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Aardwolf94 said:
SeidouTZ said:

Unconsciously or not he still responsible for committing mass murder, this will cause a giant outbursts of the general public and having even bigger increasing of the already negative view humans have of ghouls now. Coexisting will become impossible at this point and all because of Kaneki actions.
Sure his friends have all right to defend him, but all other people that barely know him should feel infuriated. Not simply say "yeah this random guy deserves to live an happy life even tho he pretty much screwed ours".


You never know with the terrible writer that Ishida turned out to be. He will pull peace ouf of his ass if need be even though humans going harsher against ghouls would make much more sense

I agree that its ridiculous that some no name's would be cheering for Kaneki after what he did...


Yes yes. Thank you for telling us week after week how terrible Ishida and this manga are. Aren't you tired of this?
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Shicchi said:
Aardwolf94 said:


You never know with the terrible writer that Ishida turned out to be. He will pull peace ouf of his ass if need be even though humans going harsher against ghouls would make much more sense

I agree that its ridiculous that some no name's would be cheering for Kaneki after what he did...

You forgot that nobody knows that that mosnter is Kaneki except those directly involved.

The ghoul faction would help get rid of this monster, and the whole of Tokyo, humans and ghouls alike, would witness this. For those who doesn't know Kaneki, he is common enemy of human and ghoul now. And both human and ghoul would join hand in exterminate him.

When in truth, the internal people, will dig out Kaneki.

Tbh I'm still not sure what Ishida planning.

It's true that people are too forgiving of Kaneki. When in truth, he did mass murder people. Sure, that Tsukiyama's speech would connect to people closest to Kaneki (Goat). But what about Amon and Akira? The CCG? I think Amon and Akira's care for Kaneki is justified enough. However, they must realize that Kaneki did kill a lot of innocent people in that form. The CCG and the human side agreed to join hands with Ghouls just to "exterminate" Kaneki first and foremost. Whether he ended up guilty or not, it would determinded later I think. Everyone's priority right now is to "kill monster Kaneki" (calm him down, waking him up, get rid of his Kakuja, dig him out).

I think what would be the most challenge in forgiving Kaneki is Kaneki himself rather than random people. He would faster kill himself than forgiving himself mass murdering his own kind (both humans and ghouls). Even if Hide, Touka (and the baby), Tsukiyama there, I don't know. The first thing that come to mind when he turned into monster "Oh man it's over. Even when he can turn back to human form, he would destroy himself from inside". In short, I still find it hard to picture Kaneki out of this mess magically cured. This is when Hide's love will play part I guess ; w ;



Good point but I don't think peace could be achieved this way. They will join up to defeat Dragon Kaneki but after that humans would be harsher on ghouls since it was one of them who did all the destruction. And even though right now they don't know who it is, when they dig him up they will (they could try to hide him from the ccg..not sure)

Thats why I think this was just unnecessary forced tragedy. Kaneki has already been through a lot, what was the point of turning him into a damm mass murderer. Unless his personality changed (again) I don't see how he is coming back from this.

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You never know with the terrible writer that Ishida turned out to be. He will pull peace ouf of his ass if need be even though humans going harsher against ghouls would make much more sense

I agree that its ridiculous that some no name's would be cheering for Kaneki after what he did...


Yes yes. Thank you for telling us week after week how terrible Ishida and this manga are. Aren't you tired of this?


Nope, as long as its shit I'll say that.
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James_xeno said:

What? Why shouldn't he?

Unconsciously or not he still responsible for committing mass murder, this will cause a giant outbursts of the general public and having even bigger increasing of the already negative view humans have of ghouls now. Coexisting will become impossible at this point and all because of Kaneki actions.
Sure his friends have all right to defend him, but all other people that barely know him should feel infuriated. Not simply say "yeah this random guy deserves to live an happy life even tho he pretty much screwed ours".


Kaneki is just a scapegoat, readers know Furuta's behind it so if Kaneki ever does come back, Ishida can just out Furuta as the mastermind and sicko who planned it all out (which he kind of already has been). Also, who even know's it's Kaneki aside from those close to him. Sorry, while I agree with your points, there are many ways for this to be undone. Now, if only it can be in a way that is satisfying to the majority of the readers
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:( Kanou will never tell us his secrets in full, this is worst than the whole basement thing in Shingeki no Kyojin...
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b-okiya said:
If you don't realize that this whole thing was planned by Ishida then you better give the series a second read. It's almost unreal the amount of foreshadowing that it's not surprising anymore.

So let's rehearse from the beginning:



















Ishida is a genius writer whatever anybody might think.


So what do you think is that nucleous ??
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SeidouTZ said:

Unconsciously or not he still responsible for committing mass murder, this will cause a giant outbursts of the general public and having even bigger increasing of the already negative view humans have of ghouls now. Coexisting will become impossible at this point and all because of Kaneki actions.
Sure his friends have all right to defend him, but all other people that barely know him should feel infuriated. Not simply say "yeah this random guy deserves to live an happy life even tho he pretty much screwed ours".


Kaneki is just a scapegoat, readers know Furuta's behind it so if Kaneki ever does come back, Ishida can just out Furuta as the mastermind and sicko who planned it all out (which he kind of already has been). Also, who even know's it's Kaneki aside from those close to him. Sorry, while I agree with your points, there are many ways for this to be undone. Now, if only it can be in a way that is satisfying to the majority of the readers

You are looking at things from a reader's perpective and not from a character point of view. Sure we as readers know Furuta was the one that caused all this, but anyone that is not fully knowledgeable off the situation will think everything was caused by a ghoul (more concrete the OEK because everything happened during the war making him automatically the most likely suspect of such feat) sense nothing in that thing resembled a human to begin with.
Even if the CCG would come out and exposed Furuta actions no one would belive them, not only that but in doing so it would damage all CCG credibility and public trust.

Nevertheless my point still stands, random ghouls should not be cheering for Kaneki after what happened.
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