Hibike! Euphonium 2 Episode 12 Discussion

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mangakam said:

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Giving it some thought, Kumiko figures it out why's she is feeling like that.

Is it because of Suiichi or not at all ?

If I had to guess, it's because the third years are graduating and she's alone at home now that Mamiko's left. But maybe I'm going to eat those words.

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Dec 24, 2016 6:59 AM

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Is she alone ?? ^^ and Reina, Hazuki, Sapphire, Mizore, Natsuki, sorry but I do not call it alone.

So Kumiko would be sad because Asuka leaves because it is the only one in the third year she knows well, no it can not be that.

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Dec 24, 2016 7:32 AM

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mangakam said:
Is she alone ?? ^^ and Reina, Hazuki, Sapphire, Mizore, Natsuki, sorry but I do not call it alone.

So Kumiko would be sad because Asuka leaves because it is the only one in the third year she knows well, no it can not be that.

There's a difference between being alone and feeling alone.

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Dec 24, 2016 7:40 AM

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Yes gomennasai I know it very well but I have difficulty to admit your hypothesis, Let me keep hope in relation to Suiichi ^^ although I think we will not see Suiichi in this last episode.

Dec 24, 2016 7:50 AM

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^ That's why I've said I might be wrong. I've not read the novels after all. Maybe she realizes that's not true: she's gathered a quite a lot of friends in the past few months. Only that Asuka, whom she's just befriended recently, leaves (and I don't think she's going to live with her mother anymore, so she won't be nearby). And of course, there's Shuuichi, who lives next door and she knows him since childhood, yet they're barely talking to each other.

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Dec 24, 2016 1:05 PM

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But damn, Reina is an embarrassment. Every time she confessed I got second hand embarrassment. She's been a joke this whole season with her Taki obsession. I loved her in the first season but now I just wish she'd just disappear. What a creep.

This. Embarrassing.

Dec 24, 2016 5:37 PM

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The problem here stands with KyoAni keeping some scenes in the adaptation while twisting the characters' reactions. It is indeed weird how Shuuichi acts like he doesn't notice that Kumiko doesn't want to have anything to do with him: but that's because his behaviour wasn't changed from the novels, while Kumiko's was; so the narrative keeps on going the same way, but the interactions are all over the place. They could have just cut those scenes, or even the character, it would have been more consistent. But we're talking about a couple of scenes, after all, not even 1% of the anime, so no big deal.

I'm not sure I agree with the percentage you give here. To me it seems like some of the problems arise from the changes in the music during adaptation, from the novels to the animated series. The characters weren't fully adjusted to the thematic changes those exchanges of compositions should have indicated. I haven't read the novels but I get the impression that the sources of Takeda's inspiration were also watered down a bit from the original myths and legends which are the inspiration for the composers of that music.

If Shuuichi and Kumiko are indeed modern Japanese equivalents of Daphnis and Chloe then the whole story seems to fit. The covert confirmation went missing when Ravel's piece based on that story was removed from the repertoire during adaptation. It also seems to me that many of the original cast weren't included when the adventures that kept the predestined lovers apart were adapted for this series and that might have been an issue that already existed in Takeda's writing. There are fewer suitors for the two protagonists selected from within the cast of the concert band, their school or the city of Kyoto at large and Uji specifically - which provide the main settings for their story.
These kids were always going to end up together and they were never supposed to aspire to leave this place.

In the beginning, Taki-sensei a Japanese man could be be Offenbach's Orphee. His Eurydice is confirmed later in the series but he is a Japanese man and the setting for the reveal in the first episode is very Japanese. For the kids he encounters before he gets in his French car he usefully not only reveals the nature of the music coming from his dropped player but also the hierarchy in the luck charms he overhears the young couple discussing. Daikichi is right up there among the luckiest of straws which can be drawn within this setting. Homophonically it is also the name of a small hill within Uji, Kyoto. Reina Kousaka is a very fortunate girl from that very Japanese city. Her name can be translated to "queen of a small hill". Arguably the highlight of the series is the night she spends atop Mt. Daikichi but she is not content with her life or that small hill. We see her visiting twice. Once to seduce the unsuspecting Kumiko (Chloe) and teach her some lessons. Painful but she neither fears pain nor does she shy away from inflicting it. Once they return to confirm for Kumiko that it was Taki all along who was the object of her desires. The second person she has been trying to seduce. This malcontent not satisfied with her station in life though she is a very privileged girl with good parents and a comfortable home filled with anything an aspiring musician could want. Not content with her life and worst of all not content with her own personal hill within the capital of traditional Japanese culture. Taki-sensei has the club perform a fictional piece of Japanese music, an original composition created for the series, The Crescent Moon Dance, a piece of music pointing to the sky. What if he isn't portraying Orpheus but a Japanese equivalent? What if one of the lessons is that Reina should not have desired to leave this faux pinnacle of Uji? This low hill but the closest she'll ever come to reaching heaven. Should she be content with this? Should Kumiko ever have been sympathetic with this young misguided woman who already has it all - but who is not content and tries to separate those who were destined for each other. Stars aligned. Briefly. Ultimately, it seems she was not able to disturb either couple. Taki will leave Kitauji when the advisor he replaced returns from maternity leave. Reina will remain and should consider herself fortunate and so should we for her failure to achieve any of her arrogant goals.

Maybe Reina was always set up to be the one who embarrasses so many by making a public spectacle of her misguided love. A young woman whose musical ambitions, or how her playing of her instrument was transformed by those experiences was never to be shown or heard in this semi-finale. Her way out of Uji by way of trumpet solo at the Nationals. A woman reduced to being the object of mild mockery and vicious public ridicule. Your audience awaits. All the world's your stage.

Daikyo, big curse, can also be seen as good fortune, in that drawing it is so rare that it too becomes something to cherish. Something for which to be grateful. Not many people are lucky enough to receive an Omikuj like that. Taki-sensei is blessed by the gods with the fate of his wife. It may seem like misfortune but is it really? Why tempt the fates by trying to retrieve what is already lost? Why question the gods about your own lot in life? Taki-sensei challenges certain conventions which he perhaps should not have disturbed.
Reina apologizes for her solo to the person who should have been on that stage in this scenario. Kaori's final chance as a third year. Yet an other person whose place Reina took undeservedly by upsetting the natural balance. A conflict stemming from not respecting her elders.

Does all of that make sense? If so, can we wonder how much of that was always the original message, of the original author and of the animators with whom she collaborated to create this series.

[Maybe they're just saving the performance at nationals for a film produced with its own budget for theatrical release ... and that would do away with some of these speculative notes. Not unheard of.]

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Dec 25, 2016 12:25 AM

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I'm not keen on this Yuri schtick but I always jokingly support it. But now real ships are set to sail. And Taki-sensei you monster, how can you leave my sweet angel suspended like that, give her hints damn it.

Dec 25, 2016 2:13 AM

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Kumiko and Shuuichi and their families' situation:

Kumiko and Shuuichi were born 4 weeks apart, Kumiko being the first to see the light of this world. As they grew up, they spent an awful lot of time together. Since Shuuichi's both parents were working, at Kumiko's mother's offer, they started to leave Shuuichi at Kumiko's mother's care. Kumiko's mother took care of him as if he was her own son, perhaps because she didn't have a son of her own. Shuuichi's mother on the other hand, was very fond of Mamiko, then an energetic four year old girl, and always hoped to have a daughter like Mamiko as she already had two sons (a ten and an eight years old at that time) before having Shuuichi.

Later on, Mamiko, four years older than the two, started to take care of the two little ones after they turned six years old in place of her mother from time to time. During that time, Shuuichi grew closer to Mamiko, and became more attached to her than his two older brothers who were much older than him and were already in the first and third year of high school.

Shuuichi fell in love with his Maminee-chan (Mamiko) after a while. Although he wouldn't admit, he hated the fact that Kumiko could spend more time with her sister. He became competitive with Kumiko to impress his Maminee-chan when it came to playing wind instruments. Later on, his competitiveness towards Kumiko turned into admiration after he acknowledged her dedication to play with Mamiko. Before long, in one fine day of spring, his admiration turned into crush for the girl he once wouldn't want to lose to.

Kumiko on the other hand always thought Shuuichi as her rival. She didn't want to share her sister with a boy who she felt was a nuisance between herself and her precious sister. She also hated the fact that her sister would pamper Shuuichi more than her and she hated the fact that he caught up with her and was slowly becoming a better player even though he started playing much later.

However, just before the winter of her first year in middle-school she was bullied by her upperclassmen in the brass band club who made it clear to her that she should know her place and should come up with an excuse to refrain herself from participating in the upcoming competition. During that time, she couldn't share it with anyone, including her best friend — Azusa.

As she decided to give up her role to an upperclassmen, she met Shuuichi on her way to school. Suddenly she started reminiscing all the time over the years she spent trying to convince her dear sister that she was better than Shuuichi and thought it was all for naught. She felt like crying. In an attempt to not get caught on how miserable she felt at that moment, she increased her pace. "Kumiko!" hearing her name called out made her look up and over her right shoulder. With a gentle smile on his face, Shuuichi already matched her pace next to her and he added "Let's do our best in the competition! Let's not keep Mamiko-san waiting!". That day, Kumiko decided to remain as a participant. That day, Shuuichi became someone irreplaceable to her.

As for their families, Kumiko and Shuuichi's families have been family friends for a long time. The two families moved in to the same apartment building before the two were born and the two families, particularly the two wives have been good friends from then onward. They became closer around the time Kumiko and Shuuichi were due as both shared a lot of time together.

The two families have been close enough to share foods that they cook at home even on no occasions in particular, and they would even go to family outings as a group. They have been also close enough to share the situations within their families that would be otherwise considered very sensitive to be shared with outsiders.

Their mothers are so fond of the child of the other family that they would love to make them their own. It won't be a surprise if they would rejoice if Kumiko and Shuuichi ended up becoming lovers and eventually become a family!

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Dec 25, 2016 4:01 AM

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The salt is real, the Yuri is a lie.

Probably the best episode out of all so far. :)

Dec 25, 2016 7:18 PM

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Kumiko and Shuuichi and their families' situation:]...

Ultimately it is all made up. You sketch a plausible scenario and it is indeed most likely how we are supposed to see it. But ... a lot of that is still inference. Even at this point in the story there are a lot of things we don't know about their situation. The first meetings precede the first act and have only been illuminated through spotlighted glimpses in flashback. What if those glimpses too were designed to be deceptive? What if your perception is also not accurate? Even if you can predict the plot and the ultimate outcome, it is possible that those are not the real or only messages being delivered. It is possible to see them in a different light. Is that worth considering? What if the way the story concludes is not the conclusion? Would a writer be capable enough to manipulate the audience into this position? What if the whole point was to have people not just read and watch but think things through and offer alternate interpretations. Passionately. Abrasively. What if the main point is to invite the conversation?

Most people were spoiled by their own curiosity or by people who felt the audience should be forewarned about the nature of one particularly element of the story. An element the spoilers nevertheless keep insisting isn't the main point. Why spoil it then? Why reveal something supposedly so insignificant that it can be brushed aside as supposedly irrelevant? Let me spoil the ending so that you don't spoil the experience for yourselves? Was that the idea behind all the cleverly disguised hints and open revelations?

A young couple from Verona sits down in an almost deserted theater. It is a very familiar tale and most people have at least heard of it before. An elderly audience member spots the two love birds, notices their excitement and leans over. Have you seen this play before? They shyly shake their heads in unison. A little puzzled and peeved by the intrusion into their first date together in public. Finally alone. Encouraged by their response the grizzled audience member follows through and says: "They love each other but due to circumstances are not allowed to stay together and In the end they both die young due to misunderstandings .. but don't worry, that isn't the main point of their story. It may look like a romance but it is not you see. You two remind me a little of the main couple in the play, except you're both ... , well never mind that, Enjoy the performance girls".

Was the temptation too much at times?

You labeled not picking up on hints, "almost criminal". What then would you call the posts by people whose comments celebrate the possibility that the ending might have put people on suicide watch?

They had it coming? They did it to themselves? What were they expecting anyway? Shouldn't they have known better? We even tried to warn them...

Was it all so that those who posted the spoilers could enjoy the story in private. Not bothered by people whose existence they'd rather forget? It was never about that, right?

Is a suggestive comment like that unfair?

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Dec 25, 2016 9:53 PM

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@VersoSciolto: I won't reveal how much of it is made up and how much of it is actually from the original story and that was also the reason I put it inside a spoiler tag.

I didn't force anyone to click it. It's one's own choice whether they are tempted by it or not. I could ignore everything you said but I won't.

I really don't care what a group of fans think. Seriously, I simply don't. What matters the most to me is how I depict the story and how I enjoy it and I am glad that I really do. I am not here to please everyone.

As for the music part, I know that is not something I have much exposure to so I refrain from making any comment on it. Nice analogy nevertheless from your part.

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... but even the original story is also made up. It is a written creation from experiences, inspirations and the imaginative mind of an author - now animated for TV and Cinema. It too is a work of fiction, which we are at liberty and perhaps even under obligation to critically assess.

You write: "I really don't care what a group of fans think. Seriously, I simply don't." ... there were those earlier words addressed to those whose interpretations diverged from your own though. Forgive me for taking them out of their element once again by themselves but these are your words: "almost criminal". For not seeing what you saw you wrote that about the thoughts of some fans.

Please don't think I hold myself above reproach or that my objective is to rob anyone of their enjoyment. By questioning the author -female- I’ve committed an act I've protested quite loudly myself. I've openly doubted her objections. Interpreted her public denials as a mere inconvenience to the point I’d like to make. Ayano Takeda said No. I heard Yes.

... But isn’t that what she invites us to do through her heroine? Fictional Kumiko repeatedly says no. In commentary on this series I've now heard it said that she protests too much. Protesting too much means she means the opposite of what she says. The more you protest the less likely your protests are to be believed. That is an idiom, in several languages. Should we make it an axiom? Words to live by. Quite a conundrum. By suggesting that this woman’s words mean the opposite of what she says I’ve become my own worst nightmare. It is not wrong to question the writings of authors. It is -as are their writings and oral traditions- the foundation of our cultures. I too have posted spoilers. Both open and behind tags. Mea culpa.

If you have the time read up on Daphnis and Chloe. I think you'll enjoy it and I think it is pertinent to the understanding of the Hibike story - or at least these comments. We don't get to hear Ravel. What does his substitution, Borodin, imply? Perhaps we can have that conversation some other time.

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Dec 25, 2016 11:51 PM

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PV is out:

From what I got out with my extremely limited Japanese, it's going to focus on Asuka. But perhaps it's another Kyoani trickery.

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Dec 26, 2016 12:02 AM

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Fantastic episode, though the lack of a performance (that we got to see, at least) was a bit disappointing. I'm looking forward to seeing how the show wraps everything up next episode.

Pie is delicious.

Dec 26, 2016 12:32 AM

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gomennasai said:
PV is out:

From what I got out with my extremely limited Japanese, it's going to focus on Asuka. But perhaps it's another Kyoani trickery.

Regarding another trickery:

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From the PV:

"(I) was thinking about Asuka-senpai"

"Are you feeling lonely?"

"Towards an important place"

"Because it is strange"

"Then I won't say it"

"I am not going towards it"

"Were you looking for me?"

"I used to dislike Senpai"

"And yet that was (a) nice (place)"
"Is that what (you) wanted to say?"

"You had something to do with Asuka?"
"Did something happen with Asuka?" (A bit more accurate)

"Saying farewell doesn't hurt"
"I don't want to say goodbye"

Of course, the context may change depending on what was said before or after the lines but that's pretty much what I got from the PV.

Edit: Corrected by Neromon.

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shanimebib said:

gomennasai said:
PV is out:

From what I got out with my extremely limited Japanese, it's going to focus on Asuka. But perhaps it's another Kyoani trickery.

Regarding another trickery:

That sounds sweet! Wednesday can't come soon enough :D

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shanimebib said:
From the PV:

"(I) was thinking about Asuka-senpai"

"Are you feeling lonely?"

"Towards an important place"

"Because it is strange"

"Then I won't say it"

"I am not going towards it"

"Were you looking for me?"

"I used to dislike Senpai"

"And yet that was (a) nice (place)"

"You had something to do with Asuka?"

"Saying farewell doesn't hurt"

Of course, the context may change depending on what was said before or after the lines but that's pretty much what I got from the PV.

I think the last 3 lines are incorrect

"Is that what (you) wanted to say?"

"Did something happen with Asuka?" (A bit more accurate)

"I don't want to say goodbye" (it was 言いたくない (iitakunai) not 痛くない (itakunai))

shanimebib said:

gomennasai said:
PV is out:

From what I got out with my extremely limited Japanese, it's going to focus on Asuka. But perhaps it's another Kyoani trickery.

Regarding another trickery:

Omg this makes me so happy. So they aren't adapting any short stories from volume 4?

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Dec 26, 2016 1:29 AM

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I think the last 3 lines are incorrect

"Is that what (you) wanted to say?"

"Did something happen with Asuka?" (A bit more accurate)

"I don't want to say goodbye" (it was 言いたくない (iitakunai) not 痛くない (itakunai))

Ah! Thanks for the corrections. I just typed in what I got. The BGM is also a bit distracting. It makes more sense now that you have corrected them.

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Omg this makes me so happy. So they aren't adapting any short stories from volume 4?

There hasn't been any announcement of any sort so I don't know. Kumiko is shown wearing her scarf so you never know!
Personally I will be happy if the anime gets the recognition it deserves. Maybe an OVA to cover vol. 4 or Marching Band of Rikka Koukou? Takeda herself suggested Azusa's story is probably her best written story yet. :)

Speaking of expectations, now that the bar is set kind of high, I am wondering.

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I shall remember this episode for the rest of my life.

Am I gonna use this same line again?

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thelumpur said:
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... Taki-sensei has the club perform a fictional piece of Japanese music, an original composition created for the series, The Crescent Moon Dance, a piece of music pointing to the sky....

… but more specifically to the moon and its phases. What if there is some poetic symbolism there? We are free to speculate but are there any indications beyond Asuka's brief exposition on the celebratory notes the composition is supposed to convey? The performance piece not repeated this episode. Are we free to let our minds wonder with the assistance of guides better acquainted with such matters and this region? The original author and those involved in the adaptation process can be assumed to be somewhat familiar with the town were the series is set, where Takeda grew up and the Kyoani studio is located. What if the series pays homage to its heritage but is not content with mere praise and also perhaps challenges novel interpretations or at least offers commentary. Is there something more you'd like to share or have I veered too far from the point you wanted to address with your comment?

The phases of the moon and the title of the performance piece... is there perhaps a connection with Murasaki Shikibu? Arguably Uji's best known historical figure, though she has some competition.

Meguri-ahite
mishi ya sore tomo
wakanu ma ni
kumo-gakurenishi
yoha no tsuki-kage *

Possibly her most well known poem. What does it mean and does its meaning and symbolism have anything to do with the series, its characters or its music? If so, are there any additional hints about the perspective this series of adapted novels provides?

* Transliteration taken from "Pictures of the Heart" by Joshua Mostow.

Edit to add:
I guess what I'm asking is: Should the animated series stand on its own, should we take the novels into consideration or do we subjectt them to comparative analysis - with each other and perhaps with other possible sources of inspiration as well?

At the very beginning of the series the goals of the club are put to a vote. Which Kumiko do we count when tallying the votes? Do we count the Kumiko who voted or do we count the Kumiko who abstained? Do we pick one or is she perhaps a composite of both in her further stances and actions? Do we see the Kumiko as a different person based on her vote or what motivated her in each case in that specific moment? Does an example like that affect the 1% you offered? It seems to me a rather fundamental change in her character although textually only a few words and just one action needed to be changed in adaptation.
Should her character in each version of the story stand on its own and thus be evaluated only for her thoughts and actions as shown in the animated series?

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Dec 27, 2016 5:30 AM

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Did they seriously skip over the performance, wtf was that, I mainly watch this show for the music and this was very disappointing. Overall this season has been worse than season 1, in terms of animation, pacing, character interactions.

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alpha_shadow said:
Did they seriously skip over the performance, wtf was that, I mainly watch this show for the music and this was very disappointing. Overall this season has been worse than season 1, in terms of animation, pacing, character interactions.

yea i also watch this coz of music
this season so far has 1 music episode and 11 family and relationship melodrama that has nothing to do with music episode

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Dec 27, 2016 7:08 AM

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I would have loved to watch their entire performance but sadly that wasn't meant to be. But I do think the result (bronze) works well with the setting at the end, even silver would have done the group justice. Had the team won gold, it just wouldn't have the same magical feel.

Dec 27, 2016 7:44 AM

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and I thought this is the last episode... Reina confessing in that kind of situation is awesome

Dec 27, 2016 8:23 AM

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Goodness, I'm so glad we're down to the last episode, Damn you kyoani for ruining Reina's characterization, when i die i want kyoani to lower me into my grave so they can let me down one last time.

The PV looks safe so I guess no kumiko and shuuichi end too, which is a good thing cause that's just gonna add insult to a serious injury.

I'm fucking tired of seeing comments badmouthing reina, I can understand you but please stop it. She can go fall for Kumiko's dad and I think I'll still like her the same. Best grill since season 1.

Dec 27, 2016 8:25 AM

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Honestly even if it is yuribait it has always made more sense and had more in-depth thought to it than these crappy sloppily-revealed "ships" that are sailing. Reina is now reduced to a blubbering idiot and Shuichi finally gets to have more than one line but even then it's all questions and awkward pauses. If you ask me, the ReinaxKumiko thing will ALWAYS have better detail and rationality than whatever other pairing ends up happening in the show.

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GangsterCat said:

alpha_shadow said:
Did they seriously skip over the performance, wtf was that, I mainly watch this show for the music and this was very disappointing. Overall this season has been worse than season 1, in terms of animation, pacing, character interactions.

yea i also watch this coz of music
this season so far has 1 music episode and 11 family and relationship melodrama that has nothing to do with music episode

Hibikie Euphonium was never about music, it's about drama and character development.
Seriously, I thought people would have already realized this at this point.

Also, showing the last performance would only make sense if they won gold... but they didn't. So no, no point in showing it.

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Mike_McFly said:

GangsterCat said:

yea i also watch this coz of music
this season so far has 1 music episode and 11 family and relationship melodrama that has nothing to do with music episode

Hibikie Euphonium was never about music, it's about drama and character development.
Seriously, I thought people would have already realized this at this point.

Also, showing the last performance would only make sense if they won gold... but they didn't. So no, no point in showing it.

never about music hehehe ahhahaha

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Dec 27, 2016 1:28 PM

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I'm glad that the writer of the series left a bunch of room for more novels. Hopefully we'll see more. A lot of the scenes were quite beautiful. One thing that they could have improved upon is the Kumiko x Shuuichi pairing. It slightly forced, but second thought, I remember that there was quite a bit of development last season. Ah Idk; in this season, the only real significant scene of Kumiko x Shuuichi before the whole hairpin scene was the haunted house scene. I wish they made it a little more convincing that Kumiko had some interest in Shuuichi. Other than that, aforesaid, wowee. A lot of touching scenes.

Dec 27, 2016 5:42 PM

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Aww, they lost. It was still kinda a bittersweet episode nonetheless. Hoping for a great finale~

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Kitoge said:
Lol why is Kumiko so mean to Shuuichi. She shrugged him off so so so hard this episode. Damn what a vicious savage. Reina may have found more about Taki-sensei. OH BOY.

Kumiko treats the boy horribly, that seems to be the prevailing view, no wonder he has no interest in what she has to say for herself most of the time.

Flashback. Remember when Kumiko walks through the train station, lost in her own thoughts, air practicing her fingerings on her imaginary euphonium, Shuuichi stops her. “Don’t ignore me” he says, as if having other things on her mind besides him is unacceptable. He is right, the audience concedes as we near the end of the series. Sorry Shuuichi we'll collectively apologise on her behalf. She never meant to say no to you. She can be honest now. Promise. In his presence her time and thoughts belong to him. Go apologise and don’t disappoint him anymore, Kumiko. He’s such a nice considerate boy and she is so mean to him… wait… what? How does the above flashback scene make him the considerate one?

Kitoge said:
I'm glad that the writer of the series left a bunch of room for more novels. Hopefully we'll see more. A lot of the scenes were quite beautiful. One thing that they could have improved upon is the Kumiko x Shuuichi pairing. It slightly forced, but second thought, I remember that there was quite a bit of development last season. Ah Idk; in this season, the only real significant scene of Kumiko x Shuuichi before the whole hairpin scene was the haunted house scene. I wish they made it a little more convincing that Kumiko had some interest in Shuuichi. Other than that, aforesaid, wowee. A lot of touching scenes.

Doesn't it seem more like a logical conclusion that his approaches to her as shown in both seasons have left her with little interest? Based on how he treats her, they can be friends, he can be useful at times but why would she want to date this boy?

Dec 27, 2016 7:18 PM

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