Danganronpa 3: The End of Kibougamine Gakuen - Mirai-hen Episode 12 Discussion

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Well...Kodaka is involved is this anime right? I woudn't take him for the kind of person who would leave things unexplained...So I'll not lose Hope that the final episode will answer all the major points...I'll believe in Kodaka...

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Sep 27, 2016 8:10 AM

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HyperL said:
Well...Kodaka is involved is this anime right? I woudn't take him for the kind of person who would leave things unexplained...So I'll not lose Hope that the final episode will answer all the major points...I'll believe in Kodaka...

kodaka wrote the basic outline but hes not actually writing this anime, it would of likely been much better had he was.

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Sep 27, 2016 8:10 AM

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HyperL said:
Well...Kodaka is involved is this anime right? I woudn't take him for the kind of person who would leave things unexplained...So I'll not lose Hope that the final episode will answer all the major points...I'll believe in Kodaka...

Hope dies last right.....hahaha.....ha......ha............right?

@JizzyHitler he wrote it. He is the main story/scenario writer for both Anime.

Sep 27, 2016 8:12 AM

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GangsterCat said:
wow tengan is retarded, just force mitarai to broadcast the HOPE brainwash lol this game is meaningless

Its not the video itself that was his goal, tengan was barking up death's door and he needed someone to replace him but also be so morally fucked they'd be ok with brainwashing humanity. Tengan wanted mitarai to be his successor to rule on after tengan died and this as all to push him so far over the edge to prove to mitarai despair can only be defeated by something as extreme as brainwashing.

they could of explained this better than they did, they do say it just kind of too quickly.

MonoReaper said:

HyperL said:
Well...Kodaka is involved is this anime right? I woudn't take him for the kind of person who would leave things unexplained...So I'll not lose Hope that the final episode will answer all the major points...I'll believe in Kodaka...

Hope dies last right.....hahaha.....ha......ha............right?

@JizzyHitler he wrote it. He is the main story/scenario writer for both Anime.

yeah, story writer, but the dialogue and everything that more or less makes danganronpa he doesnt have a part in. Thats why i think 3 suffers from being so serious most the time when the games were comedies pretty much all the way through even with the more tragic elements, we still had gags being cracked non stop and very clearly was being a parody series.

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Sep 27, 2016 8:17 AM

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I just hope, that the extra epide will give us some twists, because this Tengan thing is just way too stupid. I loved the series before, because unlike many series it has and never denies basic logic.

But to make a game just to force Mitarai into broadcasting his video? No person would bother with that if he can just kill Mitarai and take his video.
I would be glad if the whole Mirai-hen arc would end up just being Ryota´s animation.

Sep 27, 2016 8:18 AM

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kacaj said:
I just hope, that the extra epide will give us some twists, because this Tengan thing is just way too stupid. I loved the series before, because unlike many series it has and never denies basic logic.

But to make a game just to force Mitarai into broadcasting his video? No person would bother with that if he can just kill Mitarai and take his video.
I would be glad if the whole Mirai-hen arc would end up just being Ryota´s animation.

again, the hope video was a goal but tengan wanted a successor more than anything that was fucked enough to think its ok to rule with brainwashing, if tengan just took the video then when he died in a year or 2 the world would just be a bunch of brainless drones, so he basically pushed mitarai over the edge so that he'd become this.

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Sep 27, 2016 8:22 AM

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@JizzyHitler that the Future Arc is more serious/mature is not the problem. It never was. The first half episodes are great. And the red blood really helps to create this horrofying atmosphere.
What the problem is that there is no real Despair.
Whatever Tengan was dont matter. Now it is a fight
Hope vs Video Hope.
There is no main Villian so far and Mitarai that brainwashed everyone on his way is no villian. He is just a guy that has this extreme idear of "Hope" and will brainwash people with it.
That Mitarai smiled like crazy in the end doeasnt help^^.

I really hope in the Hope Episode there will be some kind of Japano-Badshit-Insanity-gedöns or else this finale will let down many people without a conclusion to the Hope/Despair fight because at the moment. There is no Despair side antagonist.

+ that Miaya got killed of without a single line and now we know why there were questionmarks on her VA profil. Because she has no other purpose than being meat^^
Who was the 16 participante? Who is the 13th branch leader? How will Killer Killer tie in the story like Kodaka said?

If you go back to the DR the Animation the last 2 Episodes were so hype they build the intense battle so much up and Junko appearing in the last secound was just amazing and exciting.
This is just.....yeah well what is it exactly?
Either way it is just kinda hollow for a Finale of the Hopes Peak story Arc.

Sep 27, 2016 8:26 AM

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JizzyHitler said:

kacaj said:
I just hope, that the extra epide will give us some twists, because this Tengan thing is just way too stupid. I loved the series before, because unlike many series it has and never denies basic logic.

But to make a game just to force Mitarai into broadcasting his video? No person would bother with that if he can just kill Mitarai and take his video.
I would be glad if the whole Mirai-hen arc would end up just being Ryota´s animation.

again, the hope video was a goal but tengan wanted a successor more than anything that was fucked enough to think its ok to rule with brainwashing, if tengan just took the video then when he died in a year or 2 the world would just be a bunch of brainless drones, so he basically pushed mitarai over the edge so that he'd become this.

I still don´t think that it´s a plausible answer. His successor didn´t have to be Mitarai. And the exection of his plan... If you take more facts into consideration, it gives you a whole picture, but things don´t really add up. For example that how did the data about the game got leaked to Gekkogahara/Monoca , and how did she know about the game beforehand.
If the last episode leaves matters in the same way like this I´ll be quite disappointed. But my hope is that, they are trying to deceive us and the real ending will be a lot more magnificent.

Sep 27, 2016 8:33 AM

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JizzyHitler said:

GangsterCat said:
wow tengan is retarded, just force mitarai to broadcast the HOPE brainwash lol this game is meaningless

Its not the video itself that was his goal, tengan was barking up death's door and he needed someone to replace him but also be so morally fucked they'd be ok with brainwashing humanity. Tengan wanted mitarai to be his successor to rule on after tengan died and this as all to push him so far over the edge to prove to mitarai despair can only be defeated by something as extreme as brainwashing.

they could of explained this better than they did, they do say it just kind of too quickly.

MonoReaper said:

Hope dies last right.....hahaha.....ha......ha............right?

@JizzyHitler he wrote it. He is the main story/scenario writer for both Anime.

yeah, story writer, but the dialogue and everything that more or less makes danganronpa he doesnt have a part in. Thats why i think 3 suffers from being so serious most the time when the games were comedies pretty much all the way through even with the more tragic elements, we still had gags being cracked non stop and very clearly was being a parody series.

your source is your ass, your answer is just your expectation, your hopeful plot fantasy

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Sep 27, 2016 8:36 AM

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kacaj said:

JizzyHitler said:

again, the hope video was a goal but tengan wanted a successor more than anything that was fucked enough to think its ok to rule with brainwashing, if tengan just took the video then when he died in a year or 2 the world would just be a bunch of brainless drones, so he basically pushed mitarai over the edge so that he'd become this.

I still don´t think that it´s a plausible answer. His successor didn´t have to be Mitarai. And the exection of his plan... If you take more facts into consideration, it gives you a whole picture, but things don´t really add up. For example that how did the data about the game got leaked to Gekkogahara/Monoca , and how did she know about the game beforehand.
If the last episode leaves matters in the same way like this I´ll be quite disappointed. But my hope is that, they are trying to deceive us and the real ending will be a lot more magnificent.

monaca only jotted down what people's codes were after the first night(thats why the names are all misspelled on her list), she didnt know about the killing game originally she just wound up in it. And mitarai was pretty integral to his plan since he was the one who made the brainwashing video in the first place and was basically already close enough to the edge that he needed only an additional push to go overboard.

the dumb part of it is he didnt do much to guarentee mitarai survives it. Yeah tengan never intended mitarai to show up and likely things were already set into motion before being able to stop it, but he still could of done more. I think adding a twist of the now more or less wasted 16th participant theory would solve alot of ambiguity to how this all went down but i think its too late for that.

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Sep 27, 2016 8:41 AM

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GangsterCat said:

JizzyHitler said:

Its not the video itself that was his goal, tengan was barking up death's door and he needed someone to replace him but also be so morally fucked they'd be ok with brainwashing humanity. Tengan wanted mitarai to be his successor to rule on after tengan died and this as all to push him so far over the edge to prove to mitarai despair can only be defeated by something as extreme as brainwashing.

they could of explained this better than they did, they do say it just kind of too quickly.

yeah, story writer, but the dialogue and everything that more or less makes danganronpa he doesnt have a part in. Thats why i think 3 suffers from being so serious most the time when the games were comedies pretty much all the way through even with the more tragic elements, we still had gags being cracked non stop and very clearly was being a parody series.

your source is your ass, your answer is just your expectation, your hopeful plot fantasy

You can go to the offical webseite for both Anime and you can read it up there. All staff member/VA etc are listed.

Sep 27, 2016 8:50 AM

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MonoReaper said:

GangsterCat said:

your source is your ass, your answer is just your expectation, your hopeful plot fantasy

You can go to the offical webseite for both Anime and you can read it up there. All staff member/VA etc are listed.

it even says it on mal. its by the guy who writes that manga about the schoolgirls in a zombie apocalypse

https://myanimelist.net/people/6333/Norimitsu_Kaihou

i generally dislike all his stuff that ive seen. He also wrote despair arc i dont know why hes not credited on mal for it,

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Sep 27, 2016 8:53 AM

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Awful, awful ending. The whole premise behind this killing game is dumb and ridiculous, as there is simply no need to force Mitarai's hand in this way. Seriously, just force him to use the video or something; there's no need for 13 or so people (or however many it ended up being) dying to make Mitarai grow a pair. Also, was there any point in that filler scene with dead Junko and Yukizome that was expositional at best and a tedious summary at worst. Mind you, anything expositional from that was easy enough to figure out anyway, hence exacerbating how useless that scene ultimately was.

Still, how we got here was pretty interesting, but I am definitely pissed that Kirigiri and the others basically died for nothing. Oh well, onto the Hope Arc we go.

8/10

Sep 27, 2016 8:57 AM

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What a weird way to end this side of the series. It didn't really feel like an ending to the side, unlike Zetsubou-hen. That one at least felt like it had an ending there. This one felt like it ended on a cliffhanger of some sort, what with Chisa basically saying "Shit gets real now", Asahina being injured (I don't think she'll die, though. Think she had been basically stopped, there), and Togami and Hagakure FINALLY appearing again like that. It makes me wonder why they made a separate OVA for it, when it's the usual length of an episode anyway, when they could have just included it as another episode for Future? I know the killing game is over, but still, the way it's ended, I'm not sure how I can feel about it.

Speaking of the episode itself, basically Mitarai is forced once again (except mentally, in this case) to make such a crazy choice without really any room to complain or refuse. This guy can't win, now can he? We finally see him strong enough to face despair, but he does it wrong. lol

Anyways, gave it a 6/10. Definitely liked the Despair arc more, or at least ending-wise (otherwise, I enjoyed both sides practically the same amount). Can't really say much else except that I enjoyed Junko suddenly appearing with Chisa at the theater. I thought that was one of the best moments of the entire Future arc. lol

Sep 27, 2016 9:03 AM

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Still, how we got here was pretty interesting, but I am definitely pissed that Kirigiri and the others basically died for nothing. Oh well, onto the Hope Arc we go.

8/10

I listed what tengan was intending to do with the game above, you can chose to buy it or not cause i do think tengan's motivations were poorly explained and wind up coming off different than what he was doing cause they kind of explain it in 3 different ways in 3 different scenes(tengan pretending to be a despair, mitarai's conclusion, naegi's conclusion, and technically the worthless recap)

as for the recap, i think it was a retarded waste of time that im blaming fully on kishi seiji, that guy as a director is so ass with pacing. Like it'd of been fine if it were shorter and replaced the ED as a little cheeky way to show junko one last time without asspulling her back, but it really feels like they wasted time they dont have especially with only 20 minutes left.

as for kirigiri, i think from a storytelling perspective im against killing her off in general for this story, it just feels cheap to give a bad ending to a character who was safe before and had her story concluded, now its pretty heavily hinting at her showing up next episode alive between that montage of all the deaths including every death BUT her, to koichi hammering home that he'd protect her in despair 11(note koichi also ended the death montage which i take as another little nod) to ogata asking producers on her talkshow wether kirigiri was really dead only for the producer to dodge the question and not give an answer.

I am assuming shes dead for now just to not get my hopes up, but i do feel like they are gonna bring her back next episode especially considering they never showed her body after naegi and asahina left the room. I wll be very disappointed if she actually was killed off especially when kodaka has gone on record saying he wouldnt kill survivors in the past cause he thinks its cheap and too cruel.

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Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Sep 27, 2016 9:06 AM

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JizzyHitler said:

kacaj said:

I still don´t think that it´s a plausible answer. His successor didn´t have to be Mitarai. And the exection of his plan... If you take more facts into consideration, it gives you a whole picture, but things don´t really add up. For example that how did the data about the game got leaked to Gekkogahara/Monoca , and how did she know about the game beforehand.
If the last episode leaves matters in the same way like this I´ll be quite disappointed. But my hope is that, they are trying to deceive us and the real ending will be a lot more magnificent.

monaca only jotted down what people's codes were after the first night(thats why the names are all misspelled on her list), she didnt know about the killing game originally she just wound up in it. And mitarai was pretty integral to his plan since he was the one who made the brainwashing video in the first place and was basically already close enough to the edge that he needed only an additional push to go overboard.

the dumb part of it is he didnt do much to guarentee mitarai survives it. Yeah tengan never intended mitarai to show up and likely things were already set into motion before being able to stop it, but he still could of done more. I think adding a twist of the now more or less wasted 16th participant theory would solve alot of ambiguity to how this all went down but i think its too late for that.

Monaca knew more than that. She knew that this was a hope vs hope game, if you know that you have to know about some of the game´s goal too. ( just remember the conversation she had with Toko and Naegi´s sister ) And Monaca´s timing on killing Gekkogahara and replacing here is just too perfect. And it´s still not explained, that why did she even target Gekkogahara and how was she able to get killed without the FF knowing.
And here´s the thing about the guards bodies in first ep. They were killed in a similar manner like Miaya Gekkogahara ( twisted neck ) and they were found in the female toilet. Just so many contradictions.
And his action regarding Ryota´s NG code is the most contrdicting. It has one positive effect : It makes it impossible to Ryota to change the course of events and makes him powerless. What about negatives? Ryota´s not able to use his ability while the game lasts, so if they aren´t able to win the game then Ryota can´t broadcast it. But in the game Tengan does the opposite, he tries to make everyone lose the game by fucking around with Munakata´s head and not trying to solve the problems.
And he didn´t have to make Ryota a participant, it would be enough if he just made a spectator from him even if he was there... Except this there´s the thing that he just let Naegi call help from outside, while it´s not in his interests.

Sep 27, 2016 9:12 AM

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kacaj said:

JizzyHitler said:

monaca only jotted down what people's codes were after the first night(thats why the names are all misspelled on her list), she didnt know about the killing game originally she just wound up in it. And mitarai was pretty integral to his plan since he was the one who made the brainwashing video in the first place and was basically already close enough to the edge that he needed only an additional push to go overboard.

the dumb part of it is he didnt do much to guarentee mitarai survives it. Yeah tengan never intended mitarai to show up and likely things were already set into motion before being able to stop it, but he still could of done more. I think adding a twist of the now more or less wasted 16th participant theory would solve alot of ambiguity to how this all went down but i think its too late for that.

Monaca knew more than that. She knew that this was a hope vs hope game, if you know that you have to know about some of the game´s goal too. ( just remember the conversation she had with Toko and Naegi´s sister ) And Monaca´s timing on killing Gekkogahara and replacing here is just too perfect. And it´s still not explained, that why did she even target Gekkogahara and how was she able to get killed without the FF knowing.
And here´s the thing about the guards bodies in first ep. They were killed in a similar manner like Miaya Gekkogahara ( twisted neck ) and they were found in the female toilet. Just so many contradictions.
And his action regarding Ryota´s NG code is the most contrdicting. It has one positive effect : It makes it impossible to Ryota to change the course of events and makes him powerless. What about negatives? Ryota´s not able to use his ability while the game lasts, so if they aren´t able to win the game then Ryota can´t broadcast it. But in the game Tengan does the opposite, he tries to make everyone lose the game by fucking around with Munakata´s head and not trying to solve the problems.
And he didn´t have to make Ryota a participant, it would be enough if he just made a spectator from him even if he was there... Except this there´s the thing that he just let Naegi call help from outside, while it´s not in his interests.

like i said, mitarai not getting more protection is the part of tengan's plan i hate and i think can only be saved by the reveal of a 16th participant who was protecting him in addition to doing alot of other unanswered things such as who oved the bodies and activated NG codes. The general idea i got as to why mitarai was even in the game was that since it was all automated by the time mitarai showed up unannounced to the meeting (remember tengan was shocked to see him there) that it was too late to kick him out. I think the ambiguity to alot of things is whats making it hard to justify mitarai not just getting kicked out.

as for monaca, i think she just figured all of it out from never being knocked asleep and probably witnessed shit, but otherwise yeah just chock it up to poor writing that was clearly done solely to show monaca one last time. The whole anime is pretty blatantly just fanservice to show the characters 1 last time which is why dont buy kirigiri being dead fully.

We'll see next episode if they actually pull a 16th participant twist, it'll be a mess pacing wise cause kishi seiji cant do anything right outside of comedy but i still think its better than what ultimately will be plotholes. I just dont see how they can fit all this into just 20 minutes, i really wish it was a 40 minute special.

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Sep 27, 2016 9:17 AM

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Is there a chance someone teach Mitarai how to use his animation to reprogram brains? I mean, I get that he is well versed in anything involving animations, but did this allowed him to be good with brain stuff as Well?

You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it.

Sep 27, 2016 9:18 AM

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Loogs said:

SH4kun said:

It gave us Juzo and Munakata, though.

But yeah, besides those two and expanding the Despair sisters giving them more screentime, the conclusion is pretty awful.

Juzo is the one good thing this added to DR canon.

You... you're kidding, right? Juzo? The fuck up who fucked up for a selfish as shit reason, then wanted to kill the hero for not fucking up, then fucked up some more and nearly killed more heroes before having a "redeeming" death? He's the one good thing?

Sep 27, 2016 9:25 AM

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I kind of see where Mitarai is coming from as the world is pretty fucked up but his methods are just wrong. Also, having the soldiers shoot at Naegi and co is a dick move.

Togami was a fucking highlight, always loved that guy. Hinata teaser too, I hope we see him fighting alongside Kuzuryuu, Akane, Soda's machines and Sonia (?).

Looking forward to resolution; to people saying Kirigiri may come back, I doubt it. Not because I wanted her to die, which apparently only I did, but her death was a meaningful plot device and taking it back would be derrogatory, not that the writing for these two series has been perfect so far cough cough the rushed killing game in despair cough cough the character of Juzo cough cough Tengan's mood swings cough.

Sep 27, 2016 9:27 AM

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HyperL said:
Is there a chance someone teach Mitarai how to use his animation to reprogram brains? I mean, I get that he is well versed in anything involving animations, but did this allowed him to be good with brain stuff as Well?

i was honestly expecting the series to build up to this with the 16th participant maybe being some unfortunately brainwashed character and mitarai being the one to save them. I think that'd of been a better final conflict than mitarai going full psycho.

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Sep 27, 2016 9:27 AM

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Literally "Togami saves the day as always" – The Episode

5/10 It's shit but I still liked it because I'm a fantard

G_Spark233 said:

I'd tap that TBH

#ProtectMitarai2K16 #Allheverwantedwastomakeanime

Ana said:
I'M CRYING HINATA!!!!!

Disappointing finale, really. So please, Hope episode give me hope!!

Hinata and Komaeda and c:o better turn out okay or I am going to wreck Kodaka's shit

HyperL said:

JizzyHitler said:
I will be honest though, i do kind of hate the idea of kirigiri being killed off for this series after this episode. It feels really unnecessary.

It's not confirmed though, Seiko's magic bottle is still around...Did the bottle saved Kirigiri? Or it was there just to troll us? Maybe it will be used in an unexpected way, like curing Asahina's injuri...

I'm kind of hoping she'll come back to life

I mean, it would kind of feel like an asspull, but I really didn't want her to die

JizzyHitler said:

HyperL said:
Well...Kodaka is involved is this anime right? I woudn't take him for the kind of person who would leave things unexplained...So I'll not lose Hope that the final episode will answer all the major points...I'll believe in Kodaka...

kodaka wrote the basic outline but hes not actually writing this anime, it would of likely been much better had he was.

Well that explains a lot

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@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite

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Sep 27, 2016 10:01 AM

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I am suprise people still think Kirgiri is somehow alive.?I love Kirgiri looking at my account name you can already tell. But I don t think she is alive at this point,because it been too long why would her being alive accomplish at this point besides fanservice?

I want her to be alive,I was putting my gamble on her being six survivors but she is dead Juzo was the survivor not her.

I understand people think that Kirgiri death was lame and was only for shock value. I am anger Kodaka kill her for that.Despite her Intelligence allow her to be smart enough,To know cutting her arm off. Would disable NG code even Juzo somehow figure it out. I think Kirgiri is smarter than Juzo being detective and all.

Overall this episode is pretty good.,I know Its cliffhanger. Which will continue on Kibou side. I am not sure why are people are so dissapointed, I am quite please with this episode. Seeing Munakata Becoming badass and his love for my Belove Chisa makes me happy haha^^.

I just hope Kodaka don t kill Munakata It be waste after all build up on his character. Asahina I don t know If she live or dead .But her chances are pretty low,Considering how brainwash soldiers try to gun down Munakata. I think They use Asahina as hostage against Naegi or kill her In front of him or kill her outright.

Yeah I agree that Tengan reason are pretty lame to Kill everyone In Future foundation just to push Mitarai to do hope video. I think It also because he think, Future foundation members can t be help anymore. As He think they always keep fighting each other and are not part of his plan to restore hope to the world.

Sep 27, 2016 10:03 AM

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A very bad episode for a finale.
All the stuff we got with Mitarai and his Hope brainwashing video comes out of nowhere and I must have missed something but if he wants to give hope, why does he ask to the soldiers to shoot Naegi & co? Is he just a hope psycho like Nagito?

The twitst with Tengan's plan was absurd. He could have convinced Mitarai to use his video in many other ways or even broadcast it by force, but no, he had to make the most important people of the world kill themselves... And if he had the brainwashing video to make people suicide themselves, couldn't he use it to brainwash for hope like Mitarai?

Obviously, I will not talk about Munakata who faces 10 soldiers with rifles in a hallway but don't get touched even once.

I was going to put a 8-9 for this before but i will have to substract a point because of this episode, it really killed all the story set in place in previous episodes.

Despite all that, they got me on the hype train for Hope Side with just two seconds at the end. Damn Hajime... It would be fanservice but I really hope we will see Sonia, Fuyuhiko and meybe the "dead characters" from DR2 like Gundham.

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Sep 27, 2016 10:21 AM

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Angry_Always said:

Loogs said:

Juzo is the one good thing this added to DR canon.

You... you're kidding, right? Juzo? The fuck up who fucked up for a selfish as shit reason, then wanted to kill the hero for not fucking up, then fucked up some more and nearly killed more heroes before having a "redeeming" death? He's the one good thing?

He actually had a well written arc, so yeah.

Sep 27, 2016 10:29 AM

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AAAAAAJKADJHJDFGHLDZFID...I can't wait Hope-hen, and the funny part is that it's not even because of hype...I just want to see how everything will turn out as soon as possible...

Maybe this was their true plan...Makes us eager to watch the final episode out of worry...

You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it.

Sep 27, 2016 10:39 AM

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Loogs said:

Angry_Always said:

You... you're kidding, right? Juzo? The fuck up who fucked up for a selfish as shit reason, then wanted to kill the hero for not fucking up, then fucked up some more and nearly killed more heroes before having a "redeeming" death? He's the one good thing?

He actually had a well written arc, so yeah.

I'd say it COULD have been good. I'm not against asshole characters getting arcs that explain their behavior, that's cool and offers a fresh perspective of the character.

However, his, isn't what I'd call well written. Allowing an obviously disturbed mastermind brainwash hundreds and go about her plans just so your crush on your friend won't be revealed? How old is he again? Also, his anger against Naegi was totally unjust and unreasonable.

Maybe he realized this, which is why he talked about it to Naegi, and admittedly I liked him after he beat Hinata but explained he was doing it to keep Hinata safe (his after effects notwithstanding) but his asshole actions in the beginning and childish mistakes later on made him, in my opinion, an inconsistent and immature character.

Sep 27, 2016 10:48 AM

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I wonder why some people are treating this episode as a series finale when it isn't, it was mostly a set up for the final conflict of the series

I liked, it isn't Hope vs Despair, it keeps the thematic of Hope vs Hope we had in the beginning, it shows that Hope can be as destructive and bad as despair is

The way I see and from what Junko explained both Tengan and Munakata were manipulated by Chisa, she made Munakata enter his destroy "despair with force mindset" and she gave Tengan the tools that he needed to execute the game and force Mitarai's hand

kawaii-despair said:
Ok did I miss something? So Mitarai wasn't supposed to be in this killing game and Tengan made all of this so Mitarai could use his hope brainwashing video. And Mitarai's forbidden action was "use your talent". Who chose these forbidden actions? If it was Tengan then isn't it kinda contradictory?

It was most likely Tengan, Mitarai would be able to save everyone with his talent so he made it so Mitarai is unable to use it

Sep 27, 2016 10:50 AM

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Angry_Always said:

Loogs said:

He actually had a well written arc, so yeah.

I'd say it COULD have been good. I'm not against asshole characters getting arcs that explain their behavior, that's cool and offers a fresh perspective of the character.

However, his, isn't what I'd call well written. Allowing an obviously disturbed mastermind brainwash hundreds and go about her plans just so your crush on your friend won't be revealed? How old is he again? Also, his anger against Naegi was totally unjust and unreasonable.

Maybe he realized this, which is why he talked about it to Naegi, and admittedly I liked him after he beat Hinata but explained he was doing it to keep Hinata safe (his after effects notwithstanding) but his asshole actions in the beginning and childish mistakes later on made him, in my opinion, an inconsistent and immature character.

He is meant to be an asshole and you are given reasons to understand why he is like that, so yeah he has a well writen character arc even if he didn't turn out to be likable for you

Junko used his weakness against him, just like Mondo's weakness caused him to kill Chihiro in DR1, here Juzo ended up helping Junko in her plans

Sep 27, 2016 10:57 AM

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Angry_Always said:

Loogs said:

He actually had a well written arc, so yeah.

I'd say it COULD have been good. I'm not against asshole characters getting arcs that explain their behavior, that's cool and offers a fresh perspective of the character.

However, his, isn't what I'd call well written. Allowing an obviously disturbed mastermind brainwash hundreds and go about her plans just so your crush on your friend won't be revealed? How old is he again? Also, his anger against Naegi was totally unjust and unreasonable.

Maybe he realized this, which is why he talked about it to Naegi, and admittedly I liked him after he beat Hinata but explained he was doing it to keep Hinata safe (his after effects notwithstanding) but his asshole actions in the beginning and childish mistakes later on made him, in my opinion, an inconsistent and immature character.

Well, being unjust, unreasonable and/or immature doesn't exactly translate to poorly written, cuz you know, that's just humans to you...Beings capable of being rational and logical, but that can also end up becoming slaves of their own overflowing emotions, making them act without seeing the bigger picture...

You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it.

Sep 27, 2016 10:57 AM

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Angry_Always said:

Loogs said:

He actually had a well written arc, so yeah.

I'd say it COULD have been good. I'm not against asshole characters getting arcs that explain their behavior, that's cool and offers a fresh perspective of the character.

However, his, isn't what I'd call well written. Allowing an obviously disturbed mastermind brainwash hundreds and go about her plans just so your crush on your friend won't be revealed? How old is he again? Also, his anger against Naegi was totally unjust and unreasonable.

Maybe he realized this, which is why he talked about it to Naegi, and admittedly I liked him after he beat Hinata but explained he was doing it to keep Hinata safe (his after effects notwithstanding) but his asshole actions in the beginning and childish mistakes later on made him, in my opinion, an inconsistent and immature character.

It makes a lot of sense why he did what he did when you consider his status in society, as well as Japanese society itself. He didn't just lie to Munakata about Junko to avoid romantic awkwardness, but also because Japan is still pretty backwards about these matters. Homosexuality tends to not be seen as "masculine", while Juzo, a public figure, is the very image of masculinity. Being outed could potentially (just potentially, but the possibility is terrifying to him) lose not only Munakata's respect, which already means the world to him, but also the world itself's. What he did wasn't smart or right, but it was human. In the end, he's a very flawed but very human character. Junko was able to use this against him because that's what she does. I'm sure a better show would've been able to pull this off in a more compelling way, but for what it is I think DR3 pulled off Juzo's storyline very well.

And it's also pretty much a running joke that he fucks up everything he touches. It's kinda his thing.

Sep 27, 2016 11:04 AM

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