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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Well that was tense. They're aware of what they're fighting against (Aerial Knights) although challenging them is not going to be easy. Bogue still as bloodthirsty as ever meh. Kind felt bad for Freyja this episode as she caught lot of unwanted attention. I like how the episode gave more time for her and Hayate to connect again. Kinda liked the song she was singing when riding in the jet with Hayate :3. I'm not liking Messer much though. |
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| I just had to comment to say I couldn't stop smiling at Freyja and Hayate this episode, especially at Freyja jamming out :') so adorbs Can't wait for the subs to come out /o/ |
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| The series keep boosting the relationship between Freyja and Hayate, yet we all know how it will happen in the end =( or will there be miracle for them. The scariest thing to come is when Mirage will realise her feelings for Hayate. |
| saw Freyja sing and smile already make my day :D |
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| I'll be honest: After a great start of the show that got me truly excited, this was the first episode that I considered truly _bad_. 1) I'm afraid that the scriptwriter expects me to sympathize or even identify with Hayate. Unfortunately I don't. He is a selfish prick par excellence with zero concept of responsibility, who has his priorities completely off. Thinking back to Rick Hunter makes me want to cry. 2) To top it off, he is stupid, as well. In a situation like this, the one thing that Freyja can _not_ afford to do is sneaking away from the limelight like a cat caught with the paw in the goldfish glass. Mikumo already spelled out the problem that Freyja would me suspected to be a spy. Why had Freyja no idea how to deal with this? 3) Wordy, boring exposition concerning the Windermere side. Am I supposed to take sides here? Or feel in any way emotionally invested? Because I'm not. I'm not even interested in them, so far. I'm sorry. I really want to like this show, and I fully expected to do so. But at the moment, after the great start, Macross Delta has really started to lose the plot. I'm still watching for Mirage and Mikumo, and I still like Freyja. The rest of the characters leaves me completely cold however, and so does the whole conflict (I hesitate to call it a "war"). A friend of mine said "Japanese anime has lately gained a tendency to go for free-thinking misfit lead characters who demand that the world bends itself to give them the possibility to demonstrate how awesome they are". Macross Delta is the posterboy show for that. Unfortunately, this is sitting very poorly with me. |
| according to wiki this is confirm to be 26 episodes I expect more twist after this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macross_Delta |
| so it is a dude after all ....probably possibly. I mean I still wouldn't bet on it either way.... |
| Not the best episode but it had some good moments and nice to see some old references to the old Macross. FreyjaWaifu said: according to wiki this is confirm to be 26 episodes I expect more twist after this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macross_Delta I sure fucking hope so, this anime would not benefit on being 13 eps. |
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| the throwback to max and milia was nice, and hayate and freyja's flight was fun. |
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| the appearance of Max and his Zentradi ace pilot wife from Robotech (or original Macross) was nice and lol Messer is so annoying with his strictness |
| I admit that his strictness comes over as unlikable (I dislike him, too), but isn't he simply right on the issue? Flying a Delta is an important job with a lot of responsibility requiring a professional attitude and dedication, not a flight club membership for juveniles who want to take their girlfriends for a ride. And if there is one thing that Hayate has consistently _not_ shown, it's responsibility and a professional attitude. Even his final "decision" feels more like a rebellious one-upping of Messer and refusal to give up his toy he requires for his flight dreams than a sincere change of heart to me. Frankly, this issue is pretty damaging for this show's credibility in my book. Normally, Hayate should be thrown out by now. |
Mentar said: I admit that his strictness comes over as unlikable (I dislike him, too), but isn't he simply right on the issue? Flying a Delta is an important job with a lot of responsibility requiring a professional attitude and dedication, not a flight club membership for juveniles who want to take their girlfriends for a ride. And if there is one thing that Hayate has consistently _not_ shown, it's responsibility and a professional attitude. Even his final "decision" feels more like a rebellious one-upping of Messer and refusal to give up his toy he requires for his flight dreams than a sincere change of heart to me. Frankly, this issue is pretty damaging for this show's credibility in my book. Normally, Hayate should be thrown out by now.  fst said: so it is a dude after all ....probably possibly. I mean I still wouldn't bet on it either way.... Definitely maybe a reverse trap. |
| Aw that Hayate and Freyja flying scene was so cute. |
| Is it just me or did the animation quality in this episode decline a bit? Not so much the flying scenes, but the detail in the faces of the characters when conversing seems to have gone south. I suppose they want to keep the budget up for the mecha porn. As i had expected since last episode, Windermere does consider itself the legitimate heir of the Protoculture. What I hadn't counted upon was that they had been colonized by the Spacy and then had a war of independence. I suspect that Captain Johnson will have something to say about that later on. Maybe Windermere was colonized by a heavily Zentraedi fleet? Loved the little homage to Max and Milia from Mirage. It would be cool if one of her famous aunts would make a little cameo at some point. |
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| You cannot deny that this series is simply boisterous fun. It just puts a smile on my a face. |
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| Man this show is always so much fun. eXtacy67 said: You simply cannot deny that this series is simply boisterous fun. It just puts a smile on my a face. indeed |
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| My only problem with this show so far is that it has so many characters that a lot of them are super backseated. I mean... I feel like Walkure could be 2 members lighter and wouldn't cause a problem with the story so far. Mentar said: I admit that his strictness comes over as unlikable (I dislike him, too), but isn't he simply right on the issue? Flying a Delta is an important job with a lot of responsibility requiring a professional attitude and dedication, not a flight club membership for juveniles who want to take their girlfriends for a ride. And if there is one thing that Hayate has consistently _not_ shown, it's responsibility and a professional attitude. Even his final "decision" feels more like a rebellious one-upping of Messer and refusal to give up his toy he requires for his flight dreams than a sincere change of heart to me. Frankly, this issue is pretty damaging for this show's credibility in my book. Normally, Hayate should be thrown out by now. Lol what? Are you saying Hayate doesn't understand the gravity of the situation? Especially when he's actually contemplating leaving the Delta Platoon because he just wanted to fly for fun. Look I get it. Messer is saying, they're serious business and all that, but Hayate wasn't really in the wrong either. You can tell because the strict Mirage was ready to cover for him in this one instance, and she still doesn't even like him romantically yet. I honestly don't know how you can hate this guy. |
| Lol the ED song played twice this episode and it slowly grows on me lol. More! |
TitanAnteus said: Lol what? Are you saying Hayate doesn't understand the gravity of the situation? What I'm saying is that for Hayate, the war is merely a nuisance getting in his way of his "dancing in the skies, riding the wind" fantasies. And no, hearing his "If you're telling me that I can't fly the way I want to (!!!) because we're at war, then I'll just end it. I'll end the war and free up the skies with these hands", then I don't think he has any clue about the gravity of the situation. Especially when he's actually contemplating leaving the Delta Platoon because he just wanted to fly for fun. And this is his primary reason why he decides to stay in the Delta Platoon. Because otherwise he wouldn't be able to fly at all. Look I get it. Messer is saying, they're serious business and all that, but Hayate wasn't really in the wrong either. Hayate is completely in the wrong. His motivation is off and he is continuing for the wrong reasons. His joyride with Freyja was against orders, but I wouldn't even hold this against him so much. It simply illustrates that he considers himself such a special snowflake that rules and orders don't apply to him. He wants to fly with Freyja, so he flies. You can tell because the strict Mirage was ready to cover for him in this one instance, and she still doesn't even like him romantically yet. It only means that Mirage is a nice person who is trying to cover for the stupidity of the pilot she is ordered to instruct. It does not exculpate Hayate, and neither does Mirage argue that Hayate is not to blame. I honestly don't know how you can hate this guy. I wouldn't say I hate him. I say that he is an immature and disturbingly selfish brat who is - in his current mindset - completely unsuitable for his job. I wonder if the show will make some people die due to him before he gets the message and begins to focus more on the problems at hand and less on his own sky-dancing desires and grand war-stopping fantasies. Then again, why am I even arguing this, military hardware always gravitates towards juveniles. I should have known this much since EVA ^_^; |
MentarMay 2, 2016 5:39 AM
| wow wow wowow nice episode overall |
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| whats this about earthlings are the monsters though its war and nothing good can come from it |
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Whoahoho said: Oh, so Freyja is a Windermere just like those guys earlier from ep 1 . If Mirage is half Zentradi then is it possible that she can turn into a giant? Anyone with Protoculture ancestry can be macronized to Zentraedi size. Macronization has been shown to work on humans and zolan, and it should work for ragnans and windermerians too. |
Mentar said: I admit that his strictness comes over as unlikable (I dislike him, too), but isn't he simply right on the issue? Flying a Delta is an important job with a lot of responsibility requiring a professional attitude and dedication, not a flight club membership for juveniles who want to take their girlfriends for a ride. And if there is one thing that Hayate has consistently _not_ shown, it's responsibility and a professional attitude. Even his final "decision" feels more like a rebellious one-upping of Messer and refusal to give up his toy he requires for his flight dreams than a sincere change of heart to me. Frankly, this issue is pretty damaging for this show's credibility in my book. Normally, Hayate should be thrown out by now. While I completely agree with you on this regard, I believe Hayate has been characterized this way on purpose, and will become more responsible and conscious of what war entails as the series goes on and shit really hits the fan. I wouldn't say he is a horrible character, just the type that does what he feels like doing or what he thinks is right without thinking of the consequences, because he has not yet in his life come across an experience that has made him truly reflect upon his selfishness. But yeah, I did sorta facepalm at the whole scene with him him and freyja, not because the scene ittself was bad, but because of the whole context behind it and the situation freyja is in. I feel the writers' only motive for that scene is to give us more hayate x freyja, and as a way for freyja to get her initial resolve back, which I feel could have possibly been done another way. I would say this was possibly the worst episode yet, partly because of this and partly because it was the most uneventful episode yet, but I've enjoyed the rest so far, and I'm willing to let it slide, especially since Hayate was presented to us in this way from the very first episode. I don't dislike him as a character, but I do hope he eventually gets the development he needs and overcomes his childish behaviour. |
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| Well, amen to that. I most definitely hope that you're right, and they are NOT trying to shove down _this_ Hayate down our throats as the male hero, because I won't be able to enjoy it. I mean, he does have certain redeeming qualities, and he's proven that he's no coward. Someone just get him to grow up real fast, please! |
Mentar said: Well, amen to that. I most definitely hope that you're right, and they are NOT trying to shove down _this_ Hayate down our throats as the male hero, because I won't be able to enjoy it. I mean, he does have certain redeeming qualities, and he's proven that he's no coward. Someone just get him to grow up real fast, please! I seriously doubt the writers are gonna maintain the tension between him and messer for the whole series, and I think both characters will develop in different ways and eventually (at the very least) reach a compromise as far as their ideals go. That being said, as much as I don't like messer rn, I will be pissed if his character simply does a complete 180 turn and suddenly just agrees with whatever hayate does, since a lot of what he's saying is actually correct and Hayate's behaviour is way too irresponsible, to the point where he could eventually put people in danger if he continues down this path. Just give iit some time, because we're only at episode 5, not that much has happened yet in terms of war and this is slated to be 26 eps (i think). |
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| 5 episodes in and I have to say Freyja has really grown on me and that scene in the episode made me warm up quite a bit to the ending song. |
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Aventine said: How long was tension between Gamlin and Basara? Pretty sure Messer is the Gamlin of the show... Gamlin was just more of an uptight by the book military guy. Messer looks like he has some more of deeper seated anger or edge to him. It'll be interesting to see his backstory at some point. It wouldn't surprise me if he was the one going to eat the pineapple salad at some point in this series. KirbyRawr said: 5 episodes in and I have to say Freyja has really grown on me and that scene in the episode made me warm up quite a bit to the ending song. Me too. When the character designs first came out I though that the only way we could take Freyja winning over Mirage seriously was if she had a great personality. And I think they're achieving that. She's genuinely funny and bubbly without being a genki caricature. You really get to care for her which was something Ranka never got me to do back in Frontier. |
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SwordSaint said: That was nostalgic to think that Mirage is related to Milia and Maximilian. Lol, Her Last name is already a dead giveaway (Her initials is also MFJ). It's just that we don't know how far she's in the family tree, but this episode confirms she's their grandchild. Now, we just need to confirm who's Mirage's parents, with The Ace Couple having 7 + 1 (adopted) children. Farabeuf said: It wouldn't surprise me if he was the one going to eat the pineapple salad at some point in this series. With him shown to be strongly affected by Heinz's singing in the 4th episode, that's a possibility that I cannot doubt. |
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| Best episode so far in my opinion! :) Poor Freyja though :/ |
| Nice they just connected the first Macross to Macross Delta, she's the grand daughter of the blue hair guy in Macross :D previous episode also mentioned Lynn Minmei and the other singers from the other Macross like 7 and Frontier |
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Mentar said: I'll be honest: After a great start of the show that got me truly excited, this was the first episode that I considered truly _bad_. 1) I'm afraid that the scriptwriter expects me to sympathize or even identify with Hayate. Unfortunately I don't. He is a selfish prick par excellence with zero concept of responsibility, who has his priorities completely off. Thinking back to Rick Hunter makes me want to cry. 2) To top it off, he is stupid, as well. In a situation like this, the one thing that Freyja can _not_ afford to do is sneaking away from the limelight like a cat caught with the paw in the goldfish glass. Mikumo already spelled out the problem that Freyja would me suspected to be a spy. Why had Freyja no idea how to deal with this? 3) Wordy, boring exposition concerning the Windermere side. Am I supposed to take sides here? Or feel in any way emotionally invested? Because I'm not. I'm not even interested in them, so far. I'm sorry. I really want to like this show, and I fully expected to do so. But at the moment, after the great start, Macross Delta has really started to lose the plot. I'm still watching for Mirage and Mikumo, and I still like Freyja. The rest of the characters leaves me completely cold however, and so does the whole conflict (I hesitate to call it a "war"). A friend of mine said "Japanese anime has lately gained a tendency to go for free-thinking misfit lead characters who demand that the world bends itself to give them the possibility to demonstrate how awesome they are". Macross Delta is the posterboy show for that. Unfortunately, this is sitting very poorly with me. Wow dude, you're ruthless! but i kinda agree.. Lately, the majority of anime MC was oriented to aproach a teenagers audience. Consciously or not they failed to realize that as much as the industry has grows, their audience is also grows not just in quantity but also in preference. However it seems to me that the japs anime industry does not throw an effort to lift up the stigma that anime is for kids. As long as i observe, constantly they redirect themself towards that direction that anime is for kids, idon't know, maybe at least for youth, but who's to blame, japs society was already as toxic as it was (JK culture, and i heard about "youth sells"). |
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| I like how this show conveniently ignores how fucking weird Max and Milia's relationship was. I distinctly remember her declaring her love over a knife fight, which was only like the third time they'd met, and then them instantly getting married right there in the park. Maybe Mirage mentioning her grandparents' relationship will be some sort of foreshadowing to more throwbacks (like that one scene with Ozma Lee and the pineapple salad in Frontier that made me laugh for way too long) and we'll get some really ridiculous confession scenes... or just someone throwing a baby across a room and shouting "catch!", which is definitely the best scene in all of Macross. |
| Well, actually Milia tried to _kill_ Max. Just when she failed and he won, she lost all will to live and asked Max to kill her. Max had other ideas, kissed her and asked her to marry him - to which she agreed, not understanding one bit about what this meant ;) |
| Messer Messer Messer Messer ! Why do you have to be such a Kurusu? Hayate was certainly in the wrong to steal Freyja away and fly without permission and heck, I'm not even against a bit of necessary uptightness, but it's way too obvious that you just don't like him personally. Pretty curious to see where that grudge actually comes from. opiktea said: The majority of anime has always been mostly aimed at teenargers, and this is not a "stigma" that the Japanese anime industry cares to deal with, regardless of what we own grownass western fans might think. This didn't happen overnight: it's always been that way. Do people already forget about those teenager anime boys getting caught in major worldwide/interstellar conflicts and being forced to fight in giant robots, or cliques of highschool girls saving the world with the power of love, friendship and fashion that have been there since the 70's-80's?Wow dude, you're ruthless! but i kinda agree.. Lately, the majority of anime MC was oriented to aproach a teenagers audience. Consciously or not they failed to realize that as much as the industry has grows, their audience is also grows not just in quantity but also in preference. However it seems to me that the japs anime industry does not throw an effort to lift up the stigma that anime is for kids. As long as i observe, constantly they redirect themself towards that direction that anime is for kids, idon't know, maybe at least for youth, but who's to blame, japs society was already as toxic as it was (JK culture, and i heard about "youth sells"). You and I might be individually growing up as anime fans but the consumer base of anime doesn't. There will always be a majority of anime aimed at teenagers/young audience, just like there will always be a strong niche of anime aimed at a more mature audience. It doesn't have to be a problem unless you make it one, and criticizing Delta for not catering to your taste as an adult anime fan certainly isn't the way to solve it. About the episode itself: I loved it, and this is mostly due to the fact that I really enjoy Freyja and Hayate's interactions. Seeing the latter defend the former against his secondary waifu when said waifu wasn't even trying to attack the other waifu was pretty hilarious, so you take that W, Immelman. Sure, he's definitely a brat without any sense of responsibility at the moment, but it's perfectly consistent with his established character and the carefree type of existence he seems to have been leading before joining the Delta Platoon. War changes people, and until proven otherwise, I'm pretty confident in the fact that our MC will be no exception to the rule. |
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| she was adorable when her rune went gloomy LOL xD they played the ending song twice.....why they didn't play another song when she was singing in the jet tho....but either way i like it. i have to admit the ending song is really nice to hear. DAT moment when he got scolded. i'm not gonna blame Hayate but i really hate that guy who scolded Hayate. what an assholes seriously... |
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kaimax said: SwordSaint said: That was nostalgic to think that Mirage is related to Milia and Maximilian. Lol, Her Last name is already a dead giveaway (Her initials is also MFJ). It's just that we don't know how far she's in the family tree, but this episode confirms she's their grandchild. Now, we just need to confirm who's Mirage's parents, with The Ace Couple having 7 + 1 (adopted) children. Other than Mylene who are the rest? |
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RX-782 said: kaimax said: with The Ace Couple having 7 + 1 (adopted) children. Other than Mylene who are the rest? Komilia Maria Fallyna Jenius - 2011 (first born human/meltran child) Miracle Jenius - 2017 Muse Jenius - 2022 Therese Jenius - 2022 Emilia Jenius - 2024 Miranda Jenius - 2026 Mylene Flare Jenius - 2031 Moaramia Fallyna Jenius (adopted daughter) bumbayker said: Kawamori already confirmed who Mirage's mother is before Macross Delta aired. It's Miranda, second youngest daughter of Max and Milia Jenius. |
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Yeah kinda right. But i believe there was some anime that precisely produced to appeal adult audience. Take a look at shigurui (death frenzy). It's a meticulously crafted anime with a very peculiar flavour. Cleary a grounded anime with high realism like this was never in everyone's favorite list. But, ridiculously a similar tone of gore was praised when it appears on magical girl subgenre it's Madoka Magica (*Cough* kamen rider ryuki ripp-off). Also, there's small portion of anime that produced to lure in some global attention. For example take samurai champloo, produced upon knowing the international succes of cowboy bebopp, clearly produced to stimulate western interest. but since we know it's much more profitable to produce anime and sell LN and toys at the same time? fuck it right? To conclude, the problem is this kind of MC is bringing more trouble than solution. In relevance, a good story should provide a good and believeable explanation of it's own existence. However, in this post modern age, everyone is become conscious of the detail. The urge of society to 'escape' was long defined to be a 'retreat'. In this state of lost for abstraction, people is trying to find a role model, a persona, a character to live in, however this kind of MC only provide a delusion wthout moral, without law, or norm that would bump on wall of reality. So, i of all people of course reluctant to invest my emotion to this kind of character. |
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| Can I get a side story anime with the Windermerians? Thanks. I thought it was cute when Bogue was showing Freyja's photo to Hermann Shishou and he told him to control his rune, haha. I was thinking that Freyja was half Windermerian because she only had one rune but it could be a gender thing where boys have two and girls have one. (Since it's been confirmed that the person singing was the PRINCE of the Windermere Kingdom.) LazerEyeBeam said: ... Strange thing during Master Hermann speaking to the other knight he said he was 33 i though they lived up to 30, & the other knight said he was 23 and going on how he might die at 23. I wonder how old the king is. I guess we can think of it as an average they live to be 30. I'm on board with you.. I also wonder how old the king is .... @-@ |
| Pretty sure Messer was born with a stick up his ass, and it's burrowed so deep he can't get it out. What an absolute ass. I get the following order and upholding justice stuff, but try not to be such an ass about it, jeez. The creators of this show must intend for him to be as annoying as possible. |
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