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Isterio said: astrozombie84 said: ehh well she is a decent support character. she can take out large groups of cannon fodder. she can do other things to help out her nakama. also she can give all the guys in the crew hand jobs at the same time excluding brook for obvious reasons. I mean what more could you ask for in a nakama. Robin is not a support character, she´s a main as all Strawhats are, ofc Luffy is the absolute MC but are the rest of the crew are on the same level as her. Oda isn´t a god so some will have more exposure than others but he tries his best to treat them all besides Luffy equally. Which is why we get arcs dedicated to the members individually. thats not what i meant when i said she is a support character. ofc she is a main character. All im saying is she is good at supporting her nakama in battle. hence a support character. |
| well, as someone said here, SH pirates don't have scouts yet (Luffy could be with his DF though). in that matter, i could accept Jimbei as a scout on the sea, while Bellamy, with his DF, could be an awesome scout on land. He is strong enough to go scouting on his own, while with his ability, he'll escape easier than others would. the scouting part could also be filled by Viola, but we all know that ain't happening. Another way to fill a scouting role is by Mantra (sorry, i always forget the Haki name, so i'll use the Skypea arc name), which Luffy had already (and probably trained somewhat on it too during the timeskip) and now Usopp also has (still probably needs to train it to master it though, doubt he'd be able to use it without pressure on him atm). Zoro and Sanji are believed to have it too, or so i read somewhere, but i don't think we saw them using it yet, right? but let's assume at least Zoro did, he didn't use it against Pika to position him, so perhaps he didn't master it yet? or else, Pika's ability was more then what we know and could also transport 'the energy' (or whatever it is that makes Mantra users feel others near), which can be seen/felt by Mantra, into rocks. so as you all can see, even I can give Bellamy a role for the crew, so how would Oda be unable to give him a role? just give the guy a chance if he were to join, as we gave Robin a chance. |
HiroyuukiAug 21, 2015 6:23 AM
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Hiroyuuki said: well, as someone said here, SH pirates don't have scouts yet (Luffy could be with his DF though). in that matter, i could accept Jimbei as a scout on the sea, while Bellamy, with his DF, could be an awesome scout on land. He is strong enough to go scouting on his own, while with his ability, he'll escape easier than others would. the scouting part could also be filled by Viola, but we all know that ain't happening. Another way to fill a scouting role is by Mantra (sorry, i always forget the Haki name, so i'll use the Skypea arc name), which Luffy had already (and probably trained somewhat on it too during the timeskip) and now Usopp also has (still probably needs to train it to master it though, doubt he'd be able to use it without pressure on him atm). Zoro and Sanji are believed to have it too, or so i read somewhere, but i don't think we saw them using it yet, right? but let's assume at least Zoro did, he didn't use it against Pika to position him, so perhaps he didn't master it yet? or else, Pika's ability was more then what we know and could also transport 'the energy' (or whatever it is that makes Mantra users feel others near), which can be seen/felt by Mantra, into rocks. so as you all can see, even I can give Bellamy a role for the crew, so how would Oda be unable to give him a role? just give the guy a chance if he were to join, as we gave Robin a chance. Yeah you can have him hop high to see if enemy ships are coming or something. What he'll do doesn't really matter that much, what matters more is what's his goal, his dream, the thing that he desires and how it'll help the story so to say. |
Isterio said: There is certainly a formula towards the SH´s joining patern. 1. Sad past required, they must have lost something. Till the Sabo Flashback Luffy was the only one unharmed of this but that was adjusted. Ace replaced Sabo in that gegard. 2. A profession to the ship ( be it useful to Luffy or not). 1. Luffy captain. 2. Zorro Vice captain (comeone now Oda has clarified that). 3. Nami Navigator, 4. Ussop. Marksman. 5. Sanji cook. 6. Chopper Doctor (Luffy´s reason for invitation : Cool transformer pet). 7. Robin Archaelogist (Luffys reasoning: We saved each others lives) 8. Franky Shipwright. 9 Brook. Musician (Luffys reasoning: He´s a talking skeleton). 3. A dream that can be fullfilled on their ship. 4. Luffy must have helped(saved) the person in some way shape or form. Bellamy kinda fullfills point 4 but nothing else. Ofc Oda could pull anything he wants out of his ass, but that would be just bad writing except the story is outstanding and well placed, which is already a missed oppurtunity since he already has written this character so badly that a redemption is unlikely. Basically I think 9 members are enough, I see your point, but you can't deny that even if some of the crew's joining methods are stupid, they're goals are still somewhat connected to the plot. |
Isterio said: metsujin said: Basically I think 9 members are enough, I see your point, but you can't deny that even if some of the crew's joining methods are stupid, they're goals are still somewhat connected to the plot. I never disagreed on this, I´ve stated before that if Violet doesn´t join it would make no logical sense if Oda continues to use his formula to add anyone else from this arc. The whole Nakama join assumption came from the huge size of this arc that made people assume this had to happen by the end. Furthermore in chapter 1 Luffy makes the statement that around 10 members should do, and because Oda is he "god of foreshadowing" Everyone assumed that it´s gonna be 11 members including Luffy. Ofc there are also the scans from the green Databook that showcased that count and since Jimbei is confirmed people wait for that last hidden member. However even Violet had a potential dealbreaker depending on where Oda wanted to go with her character. Her love for Sanji (if it´s cofirmed) makes it impossible for her to join since Oda explained that he´ll not pair up any of the members.As of currently Violet is the only women who showed any affection back towards Sanji, maybe Oda´s trolling maybe not. It would be interesting to see that development. His "being a pervert" atitude has become quite stale and it´s unlikely for an author to make a character he likes into an eternal loser, though making him a playboy is a no go since this is a shounen. Dude can change his mind, who cares if Luffy doesn't have 10 members. Seriously that's just a stupid thing, tho I can see haters say 'PLOT HOLE PLOT HOLE PLOT HOLE'. |
metsujinAug 21, 2015 6:55 AM
Isterio said: metsujin said: You really missed my point, I was basically referring that ANYONE can join the crew and his position on the crew wouldn't matter. So Bellamy can join even tho he doesn't have any special features. Now short_review made it pretty clear why Bellamy's character wouldn't fit, his character wouldn't fit with the straw hats. I was just referring to the position, that's all. And I know they're all important to the overall story, Usopp wants to become a brave warrior, he will also confront his father, and his father is on Shanks's ship, so there's the connection, Nami needs to create the world map, she'd be the first to do it, Sanji wants all blue (a nice theory was made long ago, that would fit this), Chopper wants to become the best doctor, and needs to keep Luffy alive to carry on the story, Robin explains us the readers the stuff that are unanswered that are needed for the story, Franky well they're traveling on his boat, plus they need a boat and his the man for the job, Zoro has to become the best swordsman (this to me seems the one dream that's not exactly 'connected' to the others in some way or another), Brook if the theory of how Sanji will see all blue, it'll help Brook's dream too. Again I say it again, I'm just talking about the things they do on the ship, because he mentioned you need to have some sort of talent in order to be on Luffy's crew, which is not true, your purpose needs to be more based on the overall plot of the series. There is certainly a formula towards the SH´s joining patern. 1. Sad past required, they must have lost something. Till the Sabo Flashback Luffy was the only one unharmed of this but that was adjusted. Ace replaced Sabo in that gegard. 2. A profession to the ship ( be it useful to Luffy or not). 1. Luffy captain. 2. Zorro Vice captain (comeone now Oda has clarified that). 3. Nami Navigator, 4. Ussop. Marksman. 5. Sanji cook. 6. Chopper Doctor (Luffy´s reason for invitation : Cool transformer pet). 7. Robin Archaelogist (Luffys reasoning: We saved each others lives) 8. Franky Shipwright. 9 Brook. Musician (Luffys reasoning: He´s a talking skeleton). 3. A dream that can be fullfilled on their ship. 4. Luffy must have helped(saved) the person in some way shape or form. Bellamy kinda fullfills point 4 but nothing else. Ofc Oda could pull anything he wants out of his ass, but that would be just bad writing except the story is outstanding and well placed, which is already a missed oppurtunity since he already has written this character so badly that a redemption is unlikely or at least unwanted by many fans. To be honest everyone can be made a potential Strawhat during the Dressrosa arc however only Violet had the requirements without fullfilling an already existant rule. Law would mean 2 doctors, Rebecca Kyros or the Samurai would mean more than 1 swordfighter. Yes brook is one as well, but as a s secondary profession, which for all the others is the primary role. Bartolomeo fullfilled none of the requirements and on top of that he´s shown to be incapble of handling the Strawhats presence. Bellamy is another candidate that fullfills one requirement(being saved) but so did literally everyone else in this arc. Besides Viola the only other candidates to fullfill more than 1 requirement without disrupting the balance of the crews professions would have been Hajruidin (the giant). We got introduced a dream from him and he was saved like everyone else, he also is a a giant therefore weird enough for Luffy to invite him. His downfall is the fact that he was introduced and showcased mostly within the Gladiator group which hurt his indiviuality as a character. I agree with 90% of what your saying. however to every rule there is exceptions. for instance someone can join the crew, and not have their "sad past" revealed until later. like Nami for example. also Robin got some of her past revealed when she first joined. however it was only the tip of the ice berg. So Oda can always add there dream or past later on. ofc when that happens the person gets an entire arc dedicated to them. Im not saying Bellamy will join either. as I said before its not the last time we see him, however I seriously doubt he will join the crew. also yeah Viola did seam to be the most viable option. however it was obvious that she wasnt going to join. there just wasn't enough focus on her. Rebecca kinda stole the spot light from her, which is really to bad because I do like Viola. also you forgot to add Jinbe. Its already known that he will be joining the crew eventually. so he is already SH #10 |
Isterio said: metsujin said: Basically I think 9 members are enough, I see your point, but you can't deny that even if some of the crew's joining methods are stupid, they're goals are still somewhat connected to the plot. I never disagreed on this, I´ve stated before that if Violet doesn´t join it would make no logical sense if Oda continues to use his formula to add anyone else from this arc. The whole Nakama join assumption came from the huge size of this arc that made people assume this had to happen by the end. Furthermore in chapter 1 Luffy makes the statement that around 10 members should do, and because Oda is he "god of foreshadowing" Everyone assumed that it´s gonna be 11 members including Luffy. Ofc there are also the scans from the green Databook that showcased that count and since Jimbei is confirmed people wait for that last hidden member. However even Violet had a potential dealbreaker depending on where Oda wanted to go with her character. Her love for Sanji (if it´s cofirmed) makes it impossible for her to join since Oda explained that he´ll not pair up any of the members.As of currently Violet is the only women who showed any affection back towards Sanji, maybe Oda´s trolling maybe not. It would be interesting to see that development. His "being a pervert" atitude has become quite stale and it´s unlikely for an author to make a character he likes into an eternal loser, though making him a playboy is a no go since this is a shounen. Ive said this before, can't remmeber where. Not that it matters anymore since we know for sure Viola wont be joining. However even if she did join. it doesn't mean one piece is gonna turn into rosario + vampire parody...where Sanji and Viola stare into each others eyes, and keep saying each others names over & over. For one thing most of the romantic things stuff that happened between Viola, and Sanji was when Viola was trying to trap him. If she did join I more or less see her being like the rest of the females. the only thing i could see happening. is Viola flirting just enough to give us some more of those great sanji freak out moments. which of course isnt necessary because there will always plenty of hot girls for Sanji to crush on. I mean it pretty much happens every arc. |
Isterio said: astrozombie84 said: also you forgot to add Jinbe. Its already known that he will be joining the crew eventually. so he is already SH #10 I didn´t forgott about him and I´m aware that he´s member no 10 but we do not know enough about him yet. He´s somewhat the exception to the rule. 1. He fullfills the sad past. 2. We do not know a profession from besides being a fighter, but he´s a martial artist and doesn´t collide with Zorro in that regard. It´s easily to invent whatever for him. He could be the scout for all that matter or the "lifesaver" get it? Cause he´s a Fishman and can swim. 3.His dream connects with the others especially since Luffy indirectly intends to bring down the WG. 4. He wasn´t specifically saved but Luffy saved his people. (however I don´t doubt Zeff could have mopped the floor with Don Creek if he wanted too). how about a living underwater siege weapon. could literally destroy a fleet of marine ships before they even reach sunny. sure he doesn't have a specific role that we know off. however that just further reinforces my point. that there can always be exceptions. also pretty much all of the important roles have been filled already. which is why brook is a musician. Not that a musician isn't important. its good for morale, and generally keeping the crew in good spirits. my point is other then a few minor roles, what else is there? at this point more then anything they need strong fighters. Jinbe obviously fits the bill. |
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WK-Heisenberg said: since I don't think One Piece is perfect nor that Oda is good in everything, so don't come and tell me you realized only now because I don't have to let it go just because it's always been like this, what a stupid logic. One Piece is always been markedly caricatural but it doesn't work every time, it didn't this time. But it's not really any different...how could it have worked last time at all? Sure, the criticism still holds up, but I find it hard to believe how someone with this criticism made it 800 chapters.... Okay-you say it's wrong for showing crying and oppressed character, I ask how it could've-aside from additional panels, possibly been better? Crying is used to show emotion, crying has always been used to show emotion, there are more ways to show emotion but that doesn't really do anything to crying's effect. another thing is Rebecca crying 90% of the time and Oda expecting to arouse emotions in such a cheap way. Hiuluk cried too. Crying is generic? That's a really stupid thing to say. It's...crying. wtf? Is smiling to show a characters happiness cheap too? And look at that... I rated One Piece 9/10 depsite the defects... but I can understand a little bit more now the hatred that provokes, I can see why such a thing can happen when a chapter like this is loved by 30% of the voters and the fan base refuse to admit the many imperfections it has... Half the fanbase hates Rebecca because she cries alot, yes, her country was taken over by a psychotic criminal. What else do you expect her to do? I know an imperfection it has, they showed the reunion between Kyros and Rebbecca in only about one page, which is disappointing for something that was built up for 40/50 chapters. Your complaint is that it was unnecessary, we are on two different sides-but we're still complaining. Yay? |
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ashfrliebert said: WK-Heisenberg said: since I don't think One Piece is perfect nor that Oda is good in everything, so don't come and tell me you realized only now because I don't have to let it go just because it's always been like this, what a stupid logic. One Piece is always been markedly caricatural but it doesn't work every time, it didn't this time. But it's not really any different...how could it have worked last time at all? Sure, the criticism still holds up, but I find it hard to believe how someone with this criticism made it 800 chapters.... Okay-you say it's wrong for showing crying and oppressed character, I ask how it could've-aside from additional panels, possibly been better? Crying is used to show emotion, crying has always been used to show emotion, there are more ways to show emotion but that doesn't really do anything to crying's effect. another thing is Rebecca crying 90% of the time and Oda expecting to arouse emotions in such a cheap way. Hiuluk cried too. Crying is generic? That's a really stupid thing to say. It's...crying. wtf? Is smiling to show a characters happiness cheap too? And look at that... I rated One Piece 9/10 depsite the defects... but I can understand a little bit more now the hatred that provokes, I can see why such a thing can happen when a chapter like this is loved by 30% of the voters and the fan base refuse to admit the many imperfections it has... Half the fanbase hates Rebecca because she cries alot, yes, her country was taken over by a psychotic criminal. What else do you expect her to do? I know an imperfection it has, they showed the reunion between Kyros and Rebbecca in only about one page, which is disappointing for something that was built up for 40/50 chapters. Your complaint is that it was unnecessary, we are on two different sides-but we're still complaining. Yay? To me it's not that she's just crying, it's that we've seen this again and again. She had a tragic past, cool 90% of the characters in One Piece were in the same boat. I get what he's saying with Oda trying to make us 'feel' something for her character... but I can't feel a damn thing, because I don't care about her. |
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ashfrliebert said: It's not like the tragic past is the same thing, anyway. It doesn't share any similarity to a tragic past of any kind. Where is the flaw? 'Why' don't you feel for this character? What is your criticism? "it's bad because it's bad' just doesn't make any sense. I won't get deep into this, but okay. Let's see she is portrayed as a damsel in distress, where even in this chapter if it weren't for Luffy, she probably wouldn't have gone after Kyros in the first place. She's the 'typical' princess figure that we've seen before in this story for the third or forth time. And you said her past doesn't share any similarity to another tragic past... it's a bit similar to Nami's, Diamante killing Scarlett... I also don't like her personality. |
Isterio said: Example for the bolded part?She always behaved the same. Crying and complaining. |
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Isterio said: ashfrliebert said: It's not like the tragic past is the same thing, anyway. It doesn't share any similarity to a tragic past of any kind. Where is the flaw? 'Why' don't you feel for this character? What is your criticism? "it's bad because it's bad' just doesn't make any sense. Because the character did nothing to envelope the audience and make it feel sorry for her. Your comment is completely and outright wrong. So it's on in entirely objective level that can't actually be explained or something? Something that has been hyped for the beginning is drawn to it's conclusion, it was not suppose to make you feel sorry for her at this point. Well...if you're addressing the flashback itself, whatever. Rebeccas past is a borderline basic tragic story that has been told a billion times over. Like half the series? |: I mean, I understand the critism, but as long as we understand it's been completely done in a similair(but difference in many ways) manner. Like half the crews flashbacks? |: Nothing about her or her story is special. If you combine the fact that people like the strong characters of One Piece who always fought against their mistreatment without even blinking like Kyros/Nami Rebecca feels like an underwhelming weak character in mind and body. She fought in the tournament in order to fight again to defeat Dolfamingo, she was a princess entirely and not actually a fighter. And she absolutely tried to fight for her freedom, she just failed to go through with it. See: Kyros, Diamante, flower fields. She is weak, that's the point. That is not a character flaw, that is a character trait. Edit: Okay, I understand, it might've been better had she went into hoops or tried to fight Kyros, maybe they both could've defeated him even. I understand the lack of delivery on Rebecca's development, but it has nothing to do with her crying in general for an emotional scene. Is her characterisation realisic considering that she´s just 16? It certainly is. Do people who complain about the way she was written like her? No they don´t. That's...stupid, your missing the whole point. She's a princess, not a fighter, she tries to fight for her freedom but fails miserably. You completely acknowledge that she cannot fight and that it completely logically makes sense why she can't fight, and it's been shown several times through the arc that's she's not a fighter. So I don't see where your problem lies, your saying "yes this is a thing that completely makes sense and is logical considering this character but it's bad because her character is bad because she does this logical thing, that while completely makes sense..etc etc" That doesn't make sense. Irrelevant to the issue at hand on second thought, and something I find myself perhaps..disagreeing with myself on now. She is crying because she is a 16 year old princess who, after finally remembering her father after years of oppression, doesn't want him to leave her. This is about Kyros seeing himself as a criminal who shouldn't hurt someone who isn't, Rebecca emotional impact makes Kyros realize he is sorta stupid for ditching his daughter. This has little to do with Rebecca, and criticizing her in this case for crying is just being pedantic about it. Furthermore alot of rage got generated because of the way she was drawn (half naked) alot of uncomfortable poses to give us an assshot, a boobglimpse or similar. Truth, Oda seems to mostly suck horribly with female design. As proof that Viola is literally Robin, classic Oda. On to her character please. There´s also the problem with her repetetiveness. She always behaved the same. Crying and complaining. Seeing a strong character cry once is a form of development since we get to see a new layer of characterization the character didn´t deliver before. She is not a strong character and she was never made out to be one, so no, that doesn't work. She is weak, I don't see what's wrong with that. She was even 'specifically' made out to be a character who 'doesn't' fight, it's not lack of characterization, it's just staying true to her character. Not everyone has to be strong, though I under that fair enough that comes off as odd in a manga where everyone IS randomly strong. I understand that Kyros is the real Vivi and not Rebecca, I understand that, I understand that the arc hyped her standing up for herself and considering this is a story she could've stood up for herself. But I understand that she 'isn't' a fighter, and I don't see this as a problem. She stood up for herself, it just led to nothing. Seeing a character crying all the time makes him stale and compared to a fightning emotionless character boring. Because the emotionless/aggresive/decisive fightning character fights compared to the crying bitch, whicch the fight itself can add layers of characterisation. Like him outsmarting the enemie or using a new attack or having a speech why he fights for yadayadayada. A character with no character is better than a character with character? That doesn't make sense either. I thought the fact that Kyros didn't want to touch Rebecca with his 'filthy' hands made it blatantly clear that her being weak(/innocent) was the point. I don't see the problem with a weak character. I see the problem with hyping her up to be something more(strong) and not delivering on it, I see that, and I see the problem you have on that because it was done. She was made out the entire arc to stand up for herself edit: win and didn't. I don't see the problem with her being weak in the first place though, I don't understand what's wrong with a weak character. She seemed like she was made out to stand up for herself in the beginning and she didn't, that was bad on Oda's part sure! But I don't think that makes for a bad character, she's still absolutely fine how she is. It's just a little disappointing is all. Her strength on the other hand does not have anything to do with this, her past history of crying doesn't either. This is about her relationship with her father, she does not want him to leave because of what he feels about his history that's in the past. In this situation, it's logical to cry. Her crying was really only used to show her connection to Kyros, she could've been shouting at him with a sad face no tears and this would be the exact same case. How her sadness is shown does not really matter. Edit: No, I'm still salty she didn't do anything. In fact I'd go as far as to say Rebecca is a bad character, plain and simple. But this is a good scene, because this is not about Rebecca, this is about Kyros. And I think you're making a really big deal out of her crying, she's sad, she cries. WK-Heisenberg said: Rebecca is all about "I'm sad then I'm gonna spend my entire life crying", Rebecca is like "I'm sad because your leaving me Kyros"-this brings in Kyros, the big focus of the arc, Kyros does not entirely 'want' to leave her, Kyros believes himself to be have dirty hands, being a murderer etc. She is crying because she wants to live with Kyros, this is her reaction to Kyros leaving, sadness. The tears don't matter. Keeping this up for the sake of it: And in conclusion, it's not that I have to drop something if there are things I don't like about it, like "if you don't like it just drop it", this one makes me die every time. My point was that it's a huge part of OP and has been used constantly throughout the story, character is oppressed or character dies, que the sad tears. Hiruluk is a character with proactive ideas, that's fine, but he cried as to show his emotion. This was the point I was trying to make. Fine, you can't use 'only' tears and you need more things about the character, I understand that. Tears is not a cheap way to show emotion though, the scene I was referring to was when he was crying and hugged Chopper before his suicide explosion. The crying was used to show his emotion to the reader, the exact same case with rebecca. Your point was that she cries, my point is that's not a problem. Kyros is a character who has done bad things in his life, he sees Rebecca as pure hearted and doesn't want to ruin her with...himself. He sees himself as a problem to Rebecca, Rebecca says..she isn't! Rebecca tries to be brave, she is weak but doesn't like to show it. Following her ideals taught to her by Kyros, she tries not to fight. edit: er, she tries not to hurt people right. not to hurt people and yet fight. whatever, because that makes it any difference. classic hypocritical rebecca. So after all that built-up, about Kyros character, she finally says she is totally content with living with Kyros and that he doesn't effect her. This is the plotline that was put to an end. In this situation, you cry. In a similar situation, Hiruluk cried. Both cries were used to get in emotional response from the audience. Both characters have...well, character. To be quite honest, Rebecca character revolves alot around Kyros's own character. That's true. This is not about the tears though, at all. It doesn't really matter. If she had no tears and screamed the same thing with words, would your reaction been the same? This is hardly even about rebecca to be honest. This is about Kyros. |
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Isterio said: You kinda misunderstand me, I didn´t hate Rebecca on a personal level, my intention was solely why people may/do hate her. I understand disliking Rebecca's character and/or development&role, I don't understand hating this scene. What is your problem with, say, Kyros's development? Because this is not actually about Rebecca all that much. This chapter that is. What is your issue with Rebecca's past as to relation with Kyros, her father. This is what I wish to understand, I don't quite agree with you on Rebecca, but I certainly thought she could deliver better. That's not my point. She's crying in this scene, she's not a dasmel in distress in this scene. |
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| It's normal if we dislike a character or two. I hate Bellamy, people hate Rebecca. She might be weak and emotional but it's not like she cries everytime (that would be Shirahoshi, not her). That's exaggerating. Hiluluk is an "oppressed" character too, but he wasn't just that, he was a "thinking" character bearer of certain ideals, with a proactive characterization, Rebecca is all about "I'm sad then I'm gonna spend my entire life crying", and Oda wants you to be touched because of that... but I don't give a damn about her discomfort itself, I want to be affected mainly if not only by the character's reaction and development, not by the story. And I can't do it with a passive person who cries that much that ended up inflating tears. No, she's not like that. If anything, Oda portrays her as a weakling who wants to look strong (she tried to ignore people trashtalking her, she hid her hunger, etc) but too bad she's just a weak 16 years old girl. And who are you to explain Oda's intention? We have characters like Nami, Vivi, and Robin who rarely cries despite what they've gone through so that we forgot that it's normal for people, a teenage girl even, to cry in emotional situations. Probably because you don't give a damn about her discomfort that you ended up skipping some pages when she didn't cry. I don't think she's as passive as you claimed. At least to me. She fought in the arena, she tried to assasinate Luffy (which leads to Luffy helping her for the sake of the bento), she went to deliver the key, etc. It's true that she ended up being protected since the second half but that's to be expected. I mean... it's been shown again and again that she is not strong and her father doesn't want her to fight. I swear some people just hate her no matter what. > Rebecca's first appearance -> people complaining about her outfit > Rebecca failed to assasinate Luffy -> people complaining that she bothered to try even though she was so weak > Rebecca didn't fight against Diamante -> people complaining that she was so useless > Rebecca reunited with his father -> whatever none cares, awful chapter |
wanderingplayboy said: > Rebecca's first appearance -> people complaining about her outfit > Rebecca failed to assasinate Luffy -> people complaining that she bothered to try even though she was so weak > Rebecca didn't fight against Diamante -> people complaining that she was so useless > Rebecca reunited with his father -> whatever none cares, awful chapter relax, it's just the fanboys who don't like chapters without fighting and stuff, better to ignore those comments and read the comments that are not about her, like the comments before the 2nd half of page 2 lol.. all the rest is almost all trashtalk to me from ppl who are argueing about fanboy material, exept for the part where i responded about Bellamy who could get a scout position or smth in the crew regardless of ppl saying 'HE DOES NOT FIT IN THE CREW OMG! HE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THE 4 REQUIREMENTS' which is not even a fking rule to become a SH member lol.. it's simple, Luffy likes you: you are a plausible new nakama. And i know Bellamy did things wrong and all but not gonna bring that up again, already explained that in my previous comments and stuff, in fact i also hated Bellamy until i saw him where he said he knew he admired the wrong ppl all along, that's where i gave him a 2nd chance. We'll just have to see what Oda does with him, either way, new nakama or not, he'll be an ally nontheless starting from now im sure and he'll be way more enjoyable while being under the influence of Luffy instead of a psychopath who likes flamingo's. edit: as an example that those '4 requirements' is bullshit, check out Vivi. her dream has nothing to do with the One Piece (which some ppl here think is a requirement), yet Luffy asked her, CUZ HE LIKED HER AS A PERSON, nothing more, nothing less. |
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Hiroyuuki said: wanderingplayboy said: > Rebecca's first appearance -> people complaining about her outfit > Rebecca failed to assasinate Luffy -> people complaining that she bothered to try even though she was so weak > Rebecca didn't fight against Diamante -> people complaining that she was so useless > Rebecca reunited with his father -> whatever none cares, awful chapter relax, it's just the fanboys who don't like chapters without fighting and stuff, better to ignore those comments and read the comments that are not about her, like the comments before the 2nd half of page 2 lol.. all the rest is almost all trashtalk to me from ppl who are argueing about fanboy material, exept for the part where i responded about Bellamy who could get a scout position or smth in the crew regardless of ppl saying 'HE DOES NOT FIT IN THE CREW OMG! HE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THE 4 REQUIREMENTS' which is not even a fking rule to become a SH member lol.. it's simple, Luffy likes you: you are a plausible new nakama. And i know Bellamy did things wrong and all but not gonna bring that up again, already explained that in my previous comments and stuff, in fact i also hated Bellamy until i saw him where he said he knew he admired the wrong ppl all along, that's where i gave him a 2nd chance. We'll just have to see what Oda does with him, either way, new nakama or not, he'll be an ally nontheless starting from now im sure and he'll be way more enjoyable while being under the influence of Luffy instead of a psychopath who likes flamingo's. edit: as an example that those '4 requirements' is bullshit, check out Vivi. her dream has nothing to do with the One Piece (which some ppl here think is a requirement), yet Luffy asked her, CUZ HE LIKED HER AS A PERSON, nothing more, nothing less. except Vivi didnt end up joining them so your point is moot. Luffy can ask as many people as he wants. however unless that person has a reason for going, its probably not gonna happen. but that doesnt mean i totally support the rule of 4 either. obviously there are exceptions, and its not like Oda stated these rules him self. its more of a guideline then an actual rule. nothing is set in stone. however i don't want bellamy to join. I really dont want any old characters to join apart from jinbe that is. I want to see someone new join. someone we don't know so that we can learn about them. however i would like it if bellamy joined laws crew. then he would be apart of the alliance. I just don't want him to be in the SH crew. but if Oda decides to go that way, ill accept it. highly doubt it will happen though. |
| Pretty boring chapter fill with a lot of running and characters I don't care about. Well at least the end of it was cool, fujitora seems to be getting very close and Luffy is trying to meet up with the others to bail out. Its interesting because Sabo isn't here to fend Fujitora off anymore , I'm curious as to how they're going to escape him. |
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| I haven't been the biggest fan of this particular arc but there are some good moments. I thought this chapter was pretty good! |
midnightblade said: Pretty boring chapter fill with a lot of running and characters I don't care about. Well at least the end of it was cool, fujitora seems to be getting very close and Luffy is trying to meet up with the others to bail out. Its interesting because Sabo isn't here to fend Fujitora off anymore , I'm curious as to how they're going to escape him. they've gotta defeat him. or else, Fujitora can easily crush an escaping ship, close or far. |
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| Is it just me or did the way viola said "shes not coming back" and "this is the second time this has happened to me" seem a little evil lol. Kind made it sound like she got rebecca and her mother to do it through threats. short_review said: I took 8 to 9 chapters after the battle of Enies Lobby to leave Water 7 so it's not a big deal if 6 chapters after Doflamingo's defeat we're still on Dressrosa. The big difference comes from the content of the chapters In the chapters between the end of the battle of Enies Lobby and their departure from Water 7 : - Merrygo said farewell - Garp was revealed as Luffy's grandfather - We learned about the 4 emperors - We learned that Luffy had a father named Dragon - we learned Coby became officer - we learned about the name of the second half of Grand Line - Shanks and Whitebeard had a meeting - all the crew got WANTED posters - they got a new ship - Franky joined Basically every chapter delivered huge informations. Here in 6 chapters we got - Fujitora kneeling - Sabo's past - Kaidou That's not much ... You can't honestly expect the same amount of new information once a world is quite thoroughly established as when a world was still pretty much unexplored in terms of detail. |
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| They will live together, and that's perfect. |
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| Yeah, just be with your daughter, Soldier-san!! |
"At some point, I stopped hoping." |
| Touching reunion, I wish all the best to Rebecca and Kyros :) |
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| Rebecca: *fought in the arena for years and survived* The fanbase: She is always crying!!!!! |
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| everybody loves a happy reunion =D |
| Powerful powerful chapter. I love One Piece. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| Rebecca ended with Kyros, 4ever? kekeke |
| Kyros deserves this happy ending after everything that's happened to him! I was almost tearful when Rebecca begged him to stay with her. |
 She got him back. If you understand the characters well enough, you'd know she did! |
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