Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Episode 7 Discussion

TsukiCrasher said:
I'm loving the HachimanxYukino scene at the end. You can actually see how much effort they put into that scene.

Yukino's solo ED (Yes!)

Anon1409 said:
This is getting really good, but I can only wonder how much information from the LN they've skipped

poptart-sama said:
The final scene just further serves to show how much of a 180 the writers are trying to pull with Yukino and Hachiman's relationship. In all of season 1, there was nothing but rudeness and malice from Yukino towards Hachiman, and this season Yukino has barely had as much interaction (or screen time, for that matter) with Hachiman as she did last season. Yet for whatever reason they're on much warmer terms now, as if all that crap that Hachiman took from her never changed anything between them.

Oh, that's right, it didn't. For the same reason why everyone mindlessly agreed with her childish logic back in season 1, the writers are just changing the characters' dispositions towards each other on a dime. With no real relational development from either of them that would suggest that something like a budding friendship is growing, this "emotional" scene we were shown falls flat, because it tries to play on the emotions of two characters that have no real reason to care about each other.

silvermagus said:
It was good episode but my only complain is yuixhikki scene far more powerful in LN

appu1232 said:


...What? Are you sure we watched the same show? If all you saw was meaningless banter between 8man and Yukino in the first season then I'm sorry to say you missed out on a lot of hidden meanings and character development.

If you read the LN then you would understand how much 8man and Yukino actually care about their relationship but I can understand how it could be hard to see from an only-anime perspective. Still to say so much as they have 'no real reason to care about each other' is turning a blind eye.

poptart-sama said:


No show should ever have to rely on reading/watching other material in order to make itself clear. It doesn't matter what happened in the LN, this thread is a discussion about the anime adaption.

I found the conversation between Yukino and Hachiman unbelievable because I find their relationship unbelievable. I said it already, and yet I'll say it again. All that rudeness and negative downtalk coming from Yukino would make anyone dislike her behavior. But the characters in Yahari don't exactly behave like humans, because characters like Yui would give her harsh behavior such a warm reception for no foreseeable reason, and everyone was so quick to agree with whatever flawed logic and assumptions she'd make up.

You'd think that the school outcast, someone who is jaded from a lifetime of negative experiences with girls, would be the last person to want to warm up to such a repelling character. Yet here we are, Yukino and Hachiman speaking on a more intimate level. I'm not saying initially sour relationships can bloom, I'm saying that there's nothing that happened from Season 1 Episode 1 up to now that would suggest that a slow growth was taking place, nothing to make the audience sense that the two were starting to get a feel for each other in a way that would change their dispositions towards each other. They were at each other's throat, and suddenly they're conversing on a more personal level.

poptart-sama said:


No show should ever have to rely on reading/watching other material in order to make itself clear. It doesn't matter what happened in the LN, this thread is a discussion about the anime adaption.

I found the conversation between Yukino and Hachiman unbelievable because I find their relationship unbelievable. I said it already, and yet I'll say it again. All that rudeness and negative downtalk coming from Yukino would make anyone dislike her behavior. But the characters in Yahari don't exactly behave like humans, because characters like Yui would give her harsh behavior such a warm reception for no foreseeable reason, and everyone was so quick to agree with whatever flawed logic and assumptions she'd make up.

You'd think that the school outcast, someone who is jaded from a lifetime of negative experiences with girls, would be the last person to want to warm up to such a repelling character. Yet here we are, Yukino and Hachiman speaking on a more intimate level. I'm not saying initially sour relationships can bloom, I'm saying that there's nothing that happened from Season 1 Episode 1 up to now that would suggest that a slow growth was taking place, nothing to make the audience sense that the two were starting to get a feel for each other in a way that would change their dispositions towards each other. They were at each other's throat, and suddenly they're conversing on a more personal level.

appu1232 said:
There were many more less obvious events like these too. As for their attitude towards each other, it's clear that 8man couldn't care less about the insults Yukino throws at him because frankly, he acknowledges that they are mostly true.

And as for the reason Yukino throws these remarks: I don't think she truly see's him as someone below her because if she did then she wouldn't care about his departure. She obviously respects his thought-process even though it is different from her's which can be seen in the end of season 1 and the beginning of season 2 where she openly listens to and trusts his decisions.

poptart-sama said:


Once again you ignore my point. Why does he defend her? What happened between them that would make him feel strongly enough about her to defend her? Because every episode before that had them always at odds. In that same episode, Yui remarks that Yukino is kind. Where do we even see this? Where is the growth of character?

Once again, you ignore my point. OF COURSE all her insults and snide remarks are true, the writer made her true. It's completely natural and understandable to deconstruct someone's entire personality and beliefs without even knowing them for more than 2 minutes, right? It doesn't even matter whether she was right or wrong, the fact that she is so openly toxic towards people she's never met before would just drive everyone away from her. And yet Hachiman is defending a girl who berated him on a daily basis? What human would act like this, this is just poor writing.

AlexGK said:
Can this show get any better?

zerorequiem_ said:
And can we just all agree that Hachiman has the best imouto?

poptart-sama said:
Why does he defend her? What happened between them that would make him feel strongly enough about her to defend her? Because every episode before that had them always at odds.

Jonesy974 said:
I feel like nothing is progressing with the whole Christmas party thing, and therefore is making the entire show feel slow.

Like, that final scene with Yukino and Hachiman was fucking great, but since his interactions with everyone are so nil due to helping Iroha, it almost felt out of the blue in a weird way. Oh? Where did this random dialogue between two people who hardly talk anymore come from?

My biggest gripes are with that Kaori bitch and mr fucking jiggly hands.

First of all, Kaori...why is she getting so much fucking screen time and attention? They are straight up treating her like a main character. She has literally had more screen time than Yukino, yet provides zero relevance to the story anymore. She's just designed to show up and make situations awkward/laugh at shit that's not even remotely funny because her dumbass is too stupid to comprehend what other people are saying.

Then there's Jiggly hands. He especially pisses me off because I majored in business management, and he's pretending to act like some neutral party board of directors member, and it fucking irks me. He thinks he's a business man but its the exact opposite. NO company would stall until there is week left in the deadline. Everything is about lean and getting shit done timely.
- I pray to whatever god rules over anime that somebody, ANYBODY punches this fucker in the face, and then takes leadership over this train-wreck party planning.
...Also, I don't like his goddamn hands.

Iroha...Why was everybody saying she's best girl when she first appeared? What has she done that HASNT made her completely hateable? She's annoying, just as lazy as the bitch who Hachiman put the fuck down in season 1, her personality is lackluster. Need I continue?

Oh...I also remember when Hiratsuka Shizuka used to be a character. Wonder what she's been up to since, idk, episode goddamn 1? If she's just as uninvolved in this arc in the LN I cant complain, but she's basically a nonexistent character at this point. Remember when she used to actually come into the club room to delegate things? Now it's pretty much "supporting character walks in asking for help. Says that Shizuka had something to do with it". We don't even see her anymore.

I'm still really enjoying the show, despite the complaining. Basically the same things I complained about last season too: All characters aside from 8man and Totsuka suck. It just seems like the characters are especially irritating this season.

Jonesy974 said:

Why the fuck are you even watching the show then? You clearly didn't pay enough attention to the character development in season 1. And you clearly aren't paying attention to the way the dialogue is being spoken in season 2. If you did, you would've noticed that the remarks 8man said about "Yukino's quiet smile showing she's given up" completely reflected her tone of voice when she was having that "warm" conversation with 8man.

Then when people try to correct you or point out what you missed, you act like they dodged your question, when in reality you just refuse to accept their answers as truth. You're completely blinded by your own shitty point of view.

SmallDanger said:
That Was a great episode ... but wait i have a question can't 8man go to the club anymore or what ?

JustALEX said:
WOW....

For an anime that has "Love Comedy" in the title....there's like ZERO fucking comedy or romance for that matter....

I was SOOO bored watching this.

Holy Christ....when is ANYTHING going to happen...this season is only 13 episodes, they've wasted 2 episodes already basically doing nothing.

Good job.


I know, I know....this anime is 2deep4me....dem feels is what it's all about....

SmallDanger said:
That Was a great episode ... but wait i have a question can't 8man go to the club anymore or what ?

shinryu333 said:
Did Hachiman take up the job solo simply because he didn't want to bother Yukino with it? I don't quite see the rationale behind it, seeing as taking the job as a group might've brought them closer together again.

shinryu333 said:
Lastly, at the ending scene, Yukino says something like "If this is all that it takes to tear us apart, then maybe we weren't all that close to begin with."
What exactly was she referring to when she said "this"? I'm assuming she is referring to the fact that Hatchibro took up the job solo, but I can imagine it being a number of different things as well.

JustALEX said:

But for some reason, people are treating this anime like some super deep and amazing anime.

Adab1za said:
If I want to read the LN which volume/chapter should I read from ?

Avus said:
I am guessing the Christmas Event/meeting become so bad that even Hachiman cannot handling it and ask his own club for help.

JusticeSoulTuna said:

Here's the thing: I know there's a resolution coming. People on My Anime List forums are hinting at a major 'feels' moment in the next episode.

Akanezora said:
My Little Sister Can't be this Messed Up.

I like this show but, sometimes these dialogues without a proper confrontation annoys me too much. Like Yukinoshita says something > Hikki's vaguely answers > Yukinoshita continues her one-sided speech > Hikki is unable to answer properly > Yukinoshita leaves. I really want an all out confrontation on both fronts between them (and maybe without puns), hopefully we're gonna see one before it ends?

JustALEX said:

Amazing....everything (except the last part about enjoying the show) is almost exactly how I feel.

But for some reason, people are treating this anime like some super deep and amazing anime.

I guess that's the Drama Anime effect...I'm not really sure.

I want to add some stuff....the show IS going slow, there is no doubt about it, and barely nothing happened in the last two episodes....hell, this episode was basically the previous episode with a few things added here and there.

As for Kaori....yeah, I don't understand the screen time she's getting unless they were going to make her a love interest or something to that effect, but that REALLY doesn't make sense to me.

Iroha is liked because she's cute and has cute mannerisms and well...she just acts cute!

Mind you....I also dislike her....A LOT actually.

I find her to be dislikable as well, and it really bugs me that Hachiman is going out of his way to help her....but whatever, I'm sure this is all building up to something.

And yeah Hachiman continues to be the most interesting character in a show filled with void and seemingly fake characters who are about as interesting as a door knob.

I enjoyed (more or less) the first few episodes, but the last 3 or so have been awful IMO.

This show is very mediocre....but I'm in the low minority, so whatever.

JusticeSoulTuna said:
Ok, serious rant time.

All that's happened leads me to a conclusion I reached a long time ago. And before I start, I should mention that no I'm not a blind Yuki hater and I fully understand the character, so please hold your keyboard rage. It's because I get this character that I feel there's one thing she's yet to do: make the effort.

So far, Hachiman has been falling over himself to try to patch things up or at least make peace with her since the incident in episode 2. And yet, all of it has seemingly made things worse. Just to end up with her saying those harsh but somewhat true words in episode 7. But to be honest, it's not all that fair. Yui was the first to bounce back and realize that 8man's actions are selfless and painful, and she cares enough about him to understand that. Hayama, Totsuka, Komachi and the rest of the auxiliary cast notice this too, and are trying to help him. So exactly why is the 'genius' that everyone adores too thick or stubborn to want to do so too?

Lately, it's been all about how she feels. What the character Yuki, as she's portrayed, seems to be doing is viewing 8man's actions solely by how they affect her. At first, I thought it was that she cared for him and was worried about his self-deprecating ways, but her actions leading up to ep 7 suggest otherwise. If she's so smart, why can't she see that he's doing all this for her as well as the club? And yet she turns around and acts like he's making their relationship superficial by turning up to the club. Granted, what she said wasn't out of malice or hatred, but out of sadness for how their interactions have become. But that's why it's so selfish. 8man has been through so much crap in his life, and has to deal with people from his past showing up too. In season one, he was disappointed by both Yui and Yuki yet still went out of his way to help them.

But just because he makes a few fumbles, suddenly she's sad that he's not making her feel good about being near him? Not cool. Everyone else is worried about 8man's actions leading to him ruining himself, and as his friends it makes them sad. They want to help him, but they also want him to open up to them. Hence, a reciprocal interaction. But what has Yuki done, other than get mad/sad each time he does something she disagrees with. If she cares so much about the special relationship they had, why hasn't she done anything to fix it other than keep her distance and be mad about it?

Here's the thing: I know there's a resolution coming. People on My Anime List forums are hinting at a major 'feels' moment in the next episode. But from how this is set up, it's super one sided. This whole time it's been 8man trying to patch things up with Yuki, whilst any interaction with her since has been nothing but scorn and sad remarks. How is that fair? When is she going to make the effort to try to appreciate his circumstance? Yuki, as she's written, is the only character pushing him away when he's been trying so hard to change. He's been constantly evaluating his recent choices and opening up to others and asking for help. Note, 8man is a character by design who has fallen into one bad circumstance to another and has become a loner. He's unable to see his self-worth, open up to anyone or appreciate anyone's feelings.

In spite of this, characters like Yui know that's how he is and it won't change anytime soon, but she still cares for him and is happy to see him trying. Think of all the sweet moments they shared since episode 2. When Yui's sad, it's because she sees the club's relationship deteriorating. Yet all of Yuki's problems thus far have been me me me. Not once have you seen her make the effort to talk to 8man and patch up the rift between them or even vaguely appreciate why he's in the mess he's in currently. Any doubt I had before about her feeling sad cause of 8man's situation were dispelled by her clearly selfish words in ep 7, which put the full onus on him to open up and tell her sorry, I messed up, I need your help etc. And that's just not fair. When the heck is she going to take the time to bend over backwards for him? That's all I want personally. If she cares about him as much as people say she does, when in god's name is she going to show it?

silvermagus said:


+1