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Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku
Jun 27, 2015 7:28 PM
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Seriously, after watching the latest episode I was so disgusted and pissed off (not that I wasn't before, but it just got worse) that it was frankly pleasant to see someone with common sense reviewing that turd.
I commend you, sir.
That's precisely the reason why I don't like the anime you gave in the example, despite how contradictory that may be. However, in this show, there are episodes that show how they manage to get closer to each other. Take episode 6, which has no main plot that involves the service club helping each other people. It delves right into their problems, and they manage to get closer. I can see how it may still be a bit contrived for them to have gotten as close as they did in the end, but it's not as if they got closer for literally no reason. Yes, the episode focused on Yui and Hachiman, but if we re-watch the episode, we can see that it focuses on Yukino as well. In a later episode, Yukino confronts Hachiman, but Hachiman forgives her for it (though he is disgusted with himself at the time) and he realises that he forced an ideal onto Yukino. It's at this point that they start to get closer to each other, because Hachiman starts to think of Yukino as a real person -- one who lies and not like the idealistic version Hachiman pictured. That's what I think, anyway.
In another episode, Hachiman is asked what he thinks of Yukino. He replies with what you think he would reply with; "Quite unpleasant." I assume he considered with that sentiment for quite some time. That is, until episode 9. They start to get closer from that point on. In episode 11, Yukino insults Hachiman for being a weirdo, but this time it's friendly banter. There's no ill sentiment, and they even wave goodbye to each other (in a semi-awkward manner). I don't find it strange at all.
Well, they are different people. Hachiman needed to be befriend Saika to advance the plot, so there's that, I suppose. I don't really have any good reason for it, it's just that Yukino isn't the kind of person that will open up readily. Hachiman on the other hand is a lot more open, I feel. Even when she's trying to be open with Hachiman, the exchange feels a lot more awkward with Yukino than it does with Hachiman (episode 11).
I know what you're point is, but it seems we have different ideas and different opinions about what makes a good character and even more-so, Yukino herself. You're right in concluding this debate prematurely, since I doubt we'll be able to reach a conclusion at this rate.
Unfortunately, this is based off of a light novel series, so your theory about it being some forced 'heartfelt' scene is incorrect. There are hints all over the place that the three are getting close to each other as the series progresses. Take episode 3, where instead of responding with complete apathy, Yukino fumbles with her words when she tells her that she doesn't care if she considers her a friend. Her responding to Yui with belittlement and apathy was because she didn't know how else to deal with this thing called 'friendship' that was alien to her, wasn't it? Maybe she just didn't want to get cloes to anyone. Either way, in episode 11, she fully realised that she was being hard on Yui because of this and she reached out to Yui.
My point is that I feel that you've rated them too harshly.
Yukino doesn't just toss snide remarks at her without provocation; while the insulting might be unnecessary, she does make valid points. Yumiko can't respond because it's true. She's just imposing her one-sided opinion on Yui. And if you want to talk about being rude, then Yumiko is being just as rude to Yukino as she is.
I'll admit, the only reason that Yukino actually gives that reasoning is because Hachiman needs to stay with the Service Club to further the plot, but he must also display that he wants to leave. This is something I can't defend, since Hachiman readily accepts Yukino's contrived line of reasoning even though the situations are different. Though, it does seem like Hachiman is isolated wherever he goes, and it doesn't seem like he would be too friendly with the other people in the tennis club. Even though the club wants members, I assume Hachiman thinks of himself as the Queen of spades; no one wants him. Hell, the same thing happened to me once. The basketball club wanted more members, but they didn't want me. Even though I was fairly good at basketball, I was deemed annoying,a s I've said before. They were even the ones who drew up that Queen of Spades comparison for me. I assume that Hachiman thinks the same way about this.
The two situations are connected because they use the same line of reasoning. Even if the motivations and actions are completely different, the line of reasoning still works. The motivations and actions may be entirely different, but they both prove one thing: A common enemy best defines a team (or something to that effect). It's because their motivations and actions are entirely different that it gives weight to that line of reasoning. It's not situational.
In episode 11, Yui opened up to Yukino, and she didn't just insult or attack her, she actually opened up to her and said that she wanted to be friends (essentially, anyway). Yukino makes good points and Yumiko is being rude in the same way. She's condescending, sure. It's even lamp-shaded in episode 7. But, more often than not, she's right (at least, according to Shizuka).
But Yukino isn't just that outer facade. When Yui opened up to her and even asked to be her friend, Yukino wasn't cold, rude or insulting. That is what best displays Yukino as she really is.