| This anime, now, is obviously underrated (should be 7.50 for me). I really think that this is the 3rd masteripiece of Ikuahara. Edit: when i say masterpiece i mean the symbolism, the unique story and the weirdness is amazing. sorry for my bad english~ |
XenocrisiMar 17, 2015 9:29 AM
| I the "3rd masterpiece" out of 3 series in total.... |
| Personally don't think of this as a masterpiece, but compared to the overrated ones, yes, this is indeed underrated. mandatory death parade sucks |
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| Definitely. It's no where near being great or anything, but it's very interesting and unique if anything. |
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yurisses said: amateur said: I the "3rd masterpiece" out of 3 series in total.... Sailor Moon/Sailor Moon R, Utena, Penguindrum, Yuri Kuma. I count more than three. He only joined the Sailor Moon later on in some episodes,he wasn't like the one involved in the writing/directing department. |
| It is always a classic MAL thread topic to want to talk about whether a given series is underrated. However, I think that in the case of Yurikuma, there is a specific reason why it is ending up with a lower rating than it realistically deserves. Any time that there is a new Yuri genre series, some MAL users get attracted to the threads just to make very negative comments about Yuri in general. This is much, much less of a problem than it was last year when "Sakura Trick" came out. The amount of Yuri-hate on the threads was so much that it created a lot of work for the moderators. Even if we aren't seeing nearly as much trolling for Yurikuma, I suspect that many of these same people are giving low ratings to the series based only on reading the first word of the title of the series, let alone actually watching Episode 1. |
okanagan said: It is always a classic MAL thread topic to want to talk about whether a given series is underrated. However, I think that in the case of Yurikuma, there is a specific reason why it is ending up with a lower rating than it realistically deserves. Any time that there is a new Yuri genre series, some MAL users get attracted to the threads just to make very negative comments about Yuri in general. This is much, much less of a problem than it was last year when "Sakura Trick" came out. The amount of Yuri-hate on the threads was so much that it created a lot of work for the moderators. Even if we aren't seeing nearly as much trolling for Yurikuma, I suspect that many of these same people are giving low ratings to the series based only on reading the first word of the title of the series, let alone actually watching Episode 1. Yes, i totally agree with you. I have to say that the genre Yuri in general is underrated frim what i see. But what makes me angry realli is seeing the people the didn't watch yet the first ep and rated it with 1~3...and all the people that dropped this awesome anime at the first episode...saying that is a mix of all anime, but this is shit. ;( |
okanagan said: Even if we aren't seeing nearly as much trolling for Yurikuma, I suspect that many of these same people are giving low ratings to the series based only on reading the first word of the title of the series, let alone actually watching Episode 1. People shouldn't be allowed to vote on: - dropped - unfinished - not yet aired shows -- or at least rate the series that you WANT to finish (I have rated one anime 10, then I have changed it to 9) Xenocrisi said: yet the first ep and rated it with 1~3...and all the people that dropped this awesome anime at the first episode...saying that is a mix of all anime, but this is shit. ;( From your (only 1 anime): Dropped: Zettai Bouei Leviathan Rating: 1 Episodes: 2/13 ...are you an hypocrite? |
| [spoiler] Wannabiteme said: [/quote]okanagan said: Even if we aren't seeing nearly as much trolling for Yurikuma, I suspect that many of these same people are giving low ratings to the series based only on reading the first word of the title of the series, let alone actually watching Episode 1. People shouldn't be allowed to vote on: - dropped - unfinished - not yet aired shows -- or at least rate the series that you WANT to finish (I have rated one anime 10, then I have changed it to 9) Xenocrisi said: yet the first ep and rated it with 1~3...and all the people that dropped this awesome anime at the first episode...saying that is a mix of all anime, but this is shit. ;( From your (only 1 anime): Dropped: Zettai Bouei Leviathan Rating: 1 Episodes: 2/13 ...are you an hypocrite? I hated it... Anyway i dropped it 2 years ago so i don't remember exactly what i dropped and i don't have the mentality of 2 years ago...and i never said that i don`t do it too, but i hate it Edit : If you want to discuss with me use a PM, this is a thread for an anime and not a "Xeno`s anime list thread". |
XenocrisiMar 17, 2015 11:43 PM
| Xenocrisi said: I have to say that the Yuri genre in general is underrated from what I see. Agreed. My impression is that Yuri is the genre that seems to attract the most hateful comments on MAL forums. Any time there is some new Yuri series announced in a news thread, there are the inevitable obscene posts. There are many anime genres which only a few people like. But normally, the people who dislike those shows just ignore them and stay off the MAL thread. Also, they don't vote for the MAL rating. To get a sense of the amount of hatred direct at Yuri, here are two Google site searches that I did: site:myanimelist.net "yurishit" site:myanimelist.net "yuri shit" Sorry, but I'm not saying anything negative directed at MAL users. It is just that I am most familiar with the discussions here on MAL. Also, I don't object to people using four-letter words in their MAL posts. But it is better if they also include some more details to explain the reason for their criticism. |
| Yes, definitely. Highschool DxD should shave off two points and give them to Yuri Kuma. |
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okanagan said: To get a sense of the amount of hatred direct at Yuri, here are two Google site searches that I did: site:myanimelist.net "yurishit" site:myanimelist.net "yuri shit" site:myanimelist.net "yurishit" => 158 site:myanimelist.net "yuri shit" => 178 site:myanimelist.net "yuri" => 114 000 So it's only 0,29% I guess I should trust you as you seems more into yuri than I (you write/read more topics). @Xenocrisi I mentioned your list because you are the same person as the people you get angry at. |
HaXXspetten said: No. http://www.animemaru.com/scientists-struggle-to-understand-why-people-enjoy-yuri-kuma-arashi/ Ah, Animemaru. The most credible source of anime related information on the internet. I guess it isn't underrated, after all. |
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| I personally think Yuri Kumi really is underrated. It certainly deserves more love. The story and the setting are actually really good. I think that most people just get too easily annoyed by the initial randomness and the way the story is told through a mixture of distant past, near past and current events. And no, I'm not praising it because I'm a big yuri fan. I don't even watch it for the yuri. For me that's just some lovely extra. I just really like the show. This and Rolling Girls are my favorite anime this season. |
| Like the person above me said, it certainly deserves more love; and, for some reason, it seems to be getting a lot of unjustified hate all over. I've seen people call Ikuhara a pretentious hack, etc. I guess people REALLY hated Penguindrum. Oh, well. Their loss. As far as I'm concerned, I'm glad anime auteurs like Ikuhara are still around. |
HaXXspetten said: Animemaru is fucking terrible. They're trying too hard to be be the anime version of actually funny sites like The Onion, Clickhole and Kayfabe news but they don't really seem to get why those sites are so funny. All their articles are either some manchild venting because they can't stand the fact that people have different opinions to them on some cartoon in the most passive aggressive manner possible, unfunny several year old western anime community memes (ur waifu is shit hahaha XDDDDD), cringeworthy attempts at copying The Onion's style of humour with an anime twist or a combination.No. http://www.animemaru.com/scientists-struggle-to-understand-why-people-enjoy-yuri-kuma-arashi/ More to the point, why are they parodying the western anime community when they're among one of the worst sectors of it? That's like Ubisoft making fun of Activision for being money grabbing Jews who don't care about the quality of their games. I know they say humour is subjective but if you find Animemaru articles make you laugh more than something like this I seriously question your sense of humour. |
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| 3 days ago Yuri Kuma---->6.55 2 days ago Yuri Kuma---->6.54 1 day ago Yuri Kuma----->6.55 Now Yuri Kuma----------->6.54 Oh c'mon guys |
XenocrisiMar 19, 2015 3:07 AM
Kodomo_R said: I personally think Yuri Kumi really is underrated. It certainly deserves more love. The story and the setting are actually really good. I think that most people just get too easily annoyed by the initial randomness and the way the story is told through a mixture of distant past, near past and current events. After initial randomness they "drag out" some stuffs too. @SeibaaHomu So that's why their articles are so "weird". I laughed at their articles because they are stupid. Your movie is boring. In my opinion, 6 or 7 is what this anime should get. |
| Without a doubt yes. Durarara, Yuri Kuma Arashi and Junketsu No Maria are the ONLY shows worth watching this season. It is sad that people are either not thinking enough(and used to everything being spoonfed to them) to get this or just ignore it due to the title. |
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Wannabiteme said: Honestly it doesn't sound like English is your first language so I don't even know if it's morally right for me to make fun of you for only laughing at dumb stuff that relates to your hobbies.@SeibaaHomu So that's why their articles are so "weird". I laughed at their articles because they are stupid. Your movie is boring. |
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| I think I would like it more if it didn't have such cringeworthy phrases everywhere Shabadadoo Kuma shock! Gao gao~ That is sexy~ Deliciousmell Etc It's so awkward to listen to |
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HaXXspetten said: I think I would like it more if it didn't have such cringeworthy phrases everywhere Shabadadoo Kuma shock! Gao gao~ That is sexy~ Deliciousmell Etc It's so awkward to listen to Are so funny for me...this is what makes unique and weird Yuri Kuma Arashi. I think even if this anime is underated or overrated will surely be the most weird anime this year. |
HaXXspetten said: I think I would like it more if it didn't have such cringeworthy phrases everywhere Shabadadoo Kuma shock! Gao gao~ That is sexy~ Deliciousmell Etc It's so awkward to listen to Every Ikuhara work has "catch phrases" or repeated actions or words that define characters. Its part of its charm. |
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CookingPriest said: I have no recollection of any of the ones in Penguindrum making me want to hold my head in agony though...HaXXspetten said: I think I would like it more if it didn't have such cringeworthy phrases everywhere Shabadadoo Kuma shock! Gao gao~ That is sexy~ Deliciousmell Etc It's so awkward to listen to Every Ikuhara work has "catch phrases" or repeated actions or words that define characters. Its part of its charm. |
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SeibaaHomu said: Wannabiteme said: Honestly it doesn't sound like English is your first language so I don't even know if it's morally right for me to make fun of you for only laughing at dumb stuff that relates to your hobbies.@SeibaaHomu So that's why their articles are so "weird". I laughed at their articles because they are stupid. Your movie is boring. Why do you think this movie (youtube) is funny? |
| This might be one of the most underrated show ever,with Aku no Hana |
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| I wonder if the people who said "no" are people that are currently watching this show and they don't enjoy a lot it or if are random haters that probably never watched the 1st episode |
Xenocrisi said: I'm quite sure there genuinely exist people who actually don't like stuff regardless of which series you happen to be analyzingI wonder if the people who said "no" are people that are currently watching this show and they don't enjoy a lot it or if are random haters that probably never watched the 1st episode |
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HaXXspetten said: > Complaining about catchphrases in an Ikuhara showI think I would like it more if it didn't have such cringeworthy phrases everywhere Shabadadoo Kuma shock! Gao gao~ That is sexy~ Deliciousmell Etc It's so awkward to listen to |
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| Uhm yeah, Ikuhara or not it doesn't change the fact that it's hurting my ears. And I have not had this problem with his shows before either so it's evidentially not about his general writing style but just this show specifically. Also that's not an excuse anyway. Let's say a show had some random out-of-nowhere character death that everybody hated. Then it turns out that oh, it was written by Urobuchi, well then it makes sense right? Maybe so, but it doesn't make the scene itself any better. If something sucks, then it sucks, regardless of who happened to write it. Really don't get me wrong here, I like Ikuhara and his general writing style. But Yuri Kuma specifically is just a train wreck. I wanted to like it and I tried to defend it during the first couple episodes but before too long I couldn't even pretend to like it anymore. It's just... not a very good anime. I can't really phrase it any simpler than that. |
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| I should go watch a Michael Bay movie and complain about how it's too loud and has too many explosions. I seriously doubt you tried very hard to defend it if the catchphrases were a deal breaker. There are very few criticisms I can say are completely 100% subjective and have nothing to do with whether or not it's any good but that's most certainly one of them. |
SeibaaHomuMar 20, 2015 4:11 AM
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| Oh, no I don't like the story or the characters either. The animation and the ED is about all it's worth watching for. But those things are at least issues that I can live with since it's pretty common to see, but in this case the dialogue is what stands out as being way worse than just about everything else so that's what I react to the most. It's more that I really wanted this show to good and I had high hopes for it but I mostly ended up disappointed. |
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| Well there's a very clear distinction between not liking a show because it did something wrong and not liking it because it's just not your thing. You use terms like 'trainwreck' which makes it out as if the show failed colossally at achieving its goal but your actual criticisms are more love it or hate it sort of things. |
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| Is it a train wreck? Speaking of art in general, I can think of five kinds: 1. The artist creates it on a volunteer basis simply for personal reasons. 2. Artist creates it on an unpaid basis to win a contest judged by artists. 3. The artist is hired by a wealthy patron, but the patron doesn't sell it. 4. Artist is paid by the government and its merits are government-judged. 5. Work (call it "art" or not) is created and marketed on a commercial basis. For good or bad, the anime series that we watch are of the fifth type. Rather than using subjective descriptions, one scale of success of such anime series are the "Amazon Stalker points". These are a kind of measure of how many Blu-rays people buy. In turn, that is a crude indication of how much money the series made for the production company. That then feeds the animators. Here are the "Amazon Stalker points" as of ten minutes ago: Volume 1 Mar 25 Regular-edition Blu-ray 964 points Volume 2 Apr 25 Regular-edition Blu-ray 709 points Volume 3 May 27 Regular-edition Blu-ray 845 points I like to follow the Amazon Stalker points for the anime series that I watch, just as a fun activity like watching a horse race. There are a lot of people on MAL who are really good at interpreting these numbers, combining other sources of information and putting it all into perspective. I hope they will comment. For the moment, my tentative appraisal is that the phrases "train wreck", "crashed and burned", "smoking hole in the ground" and "unmitigated disaster" MIGHT all apply. I never studied Art History. But I suspect that a lot of the greatest art is done by artists who work for wealthy patrons. It only costs about $US 2 million to make a one-cour anime series. See here: http://www.crunchyroll.ca/anime-news/2011/10/30-1/how-much-does-one-episode-of-anime-cost-to-make In my country, our government used to spend a great deal of public money to pay animators to create work. Maybe that is a good way of doing it. Maybe not. I don't know what was in the mind of Ikuhara. But possibly he wants to keep making money directing anime series. If so, then one of his objectives would be to make an anime series that is commercially successful. At this point, it appears that he might have failed. I suspect that he will never ever be put into the twin roles of director and writer again. Frankly, most of the paying work he has done consists of tasks done by a fairly junior person.* I am just guessing that he will be going back to that starting next month. On the other hand, maybe he had another objective which was to create the best Central-element Yuri anime series since Utena. Success or failure of that is subjective, I suppose, but I think he accomplished it. So... it wasn't a train wreck. - - - - - - - - - - * This Japanese-language Wikipedia article lists the work that Ikuhara has done . .during his career and I believe that it is intended to be comprehensive: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B9%BE%E5%8E%9F%E9%82%A6%E5%BD%A6 Here is some more stuff about him, all in Japanese: http://www19.atwiki.jp/enshutsu/pages/317.html http://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/%E5%B9%BE%E5%8E%9F%E9%82%A6%E5%BD%A6 http://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E5%B9%BE%E5%8E%9F%E9%82%A6%E5%BD%A6 http://www.weblio.jp/wkpja/content/%E5%B9%BE%E5%8E%9F%E9%82%A6%E5%BD%A6_%E5%8F%82%E5%8A%A0%E4%BD%9C%E5%93%81 - - - - - - - - - - If anybody is interested in Amazon Stalker points, here are two relevant links: https://bakalaureate.wordpress.com/2012/10/19/guest-post-anime-and-sales-analysis-by-yuyucow/ http://www27392u.sakura.ne.jp/index2.cgi?sort=rankup |
okanaganMar 20, 2015 7:14 PM
| I don't think so. The main point that makes me mad is the constant use of "love for a person" when they actually mean "egoistic urge to possess said person without any regards to the feelings of that person". And the show doesn't show that it is meant to provoke thoughts. It makes me sick. I will finish it but it is probably the worst show I will have finished to that date. |
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| Hmm. I guess I will give this show a try after I watch the other Kunihiko Ikuhara series. |
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StevenHu said: That might ruin it for you, I watch Penguindrum halfway through the season and then when I watched Yuri Kuma again it just obviously wasn't as good and I sorta lost interest.Hmm. I guess I will give this show a try after I watch the other Kunihiko Ikuhara series. |
| Kuu shock is one of the best thing ever. But eh, I also tried to like it, but in the end, being more intriguing than some shit harem doesn't make a show good. I don't even know what the problem is, it's just inherently meh. |
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Feaor said: StevenHu said: Hmm. I guess I will give this show a try after I watch the other Kunihiko Ikuhara series. That might ruin it for you, I watch Penguindrum halfway through the season and then when I watched Yuri Kuma again it just obviously wasn't as good and I sorta lost interest. Ah, I see. That is somewhat disappointing to hear but very much expected. I will probably still go at the show that way though since I try to watch a famous creator's works in chronological order as much as possible. |
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| yes. its the best anime of the season for me. a masterpiece. |
| for a yuri show this one is amusing |
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| This is way underrated, it should have at least a 7.3 imo! Its so much better than alot of other higher rated shows this season |
| 7.11? Lol, what happened, the last ep of Yurikuma didn't yet aired and...xD Yes, ok, is still underrated but it's a step xP |
XenocrisiMar 30, 2015 4:30 AM
| A bit. Maybe 7.3 max even though I don't really like the series. |
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