Robotics;Notes Episode 19 Discussion

Yvese said:
Kimijima is the bad guy, and Sawada is the good guy. Mind = blown.

Hirieoshi said:

ikr o_o;;

it's starting to give me the "wow" feeling again, too bad there's only 3 episodes left.

bloggbigg said:
Now, am I right in understanding that the villains have:
advanced holograms, mind control, exo-skeletal super suits, brain-map to net presence technology, advanced suspended animation tech, some unexplained 'instant monolith' technology, and an established control base of pretty much almost all robotic machines and oh- all media.

bloggbigg said:
So.. somewhy they need to 'start chaos'? so they can launch missiles? Because no one will answer the phone to brainwash at the defense base? No vets with exoskeletons they can call? It's a weekend right, so they can only employ a few soldiers because they don't want to pay time & 1/2 or 2x time?

Kansokusha said:

There are no holograms, or any "instant monolith", they are all illusions induced by the Noah device hidden in the Expo. Technically it's naked eye AR, same as the "realboot" in Chaos;Head. It's not only the Committee that connects all three installments of the Science ADV Series, but also the Virtual Rebuilding technology developed by the Victor Condria University. Norose's brainwashing Noah, Kurisu's Time Leap Machine, and Kimijima's sentiment AI(well, it's not really his own idea, he stole from the Amadeus Project of Victor Condria) are all based on the VR technology.


They caused the worldwide chaos to distract everyone long enough to launch the BHB into space. Misaki said it herself that they don't have much time left. Sooner or later people will find out it's all fake. And brainwashing? Following the destruction of Noah II in C;H, Project Noah was scrapped. As shown in the case of Frau's mother, brainwashing isn't an absolute method of control. They won't entrust Project Atum to such inefficient thing. And JAXA is only a research institute, not some military group. A handful of soldiers will be suffice. Unless there's a monster named Nae Tennouji in JAXA.

Finjas said:
What is the Amadeus Project?
I don't remember something like that from C;H or S;G. Don't tell me, if there is going to be an explanation in R;N in next 3 episodes.
And, isn't it Visual Rebuilding? That's not so important, though.

Kansokusha said:
There are no holograms, or any "instant monolith", they are all illusions induced by the Noah device hidden in the Expo. Technically it's naked eye AR, same as the "realboot" in Chaos;Head. It's not only the Committee that connects all three installments of the Science ADV Series, but also the Virtual Rebuilding technology developed by the Victor Condria University. Norose's brainwashing Noah, Kurisu's Time Leap Machine, and Kimijima's sentiment AI(well, it's not really his own idea, he stole from the Amadeus Project of Victor Condria) are all based on the VR technology.

Kansokusha said:
They caused the worldwide chaos to distract everyone long enough to launch the BHB into space. Misaki said it herself that they don't have much time left. Sooner or later people will find out it's all fake. And brainwashing? Following the destruction of Noah II in C;H, Project Noah was scrapped. As shown in the case of Frau's mother, brainwashing isn't an absolute method of control. They won't entrust Project Atum to such inefficient thing. And JAXA is only a research institute, not some military group. A handful of soldiers will be suffice. Unless there's a monster named Nae Tennouji in JAXA.

Mich666 said:
WTF did I just watched?!! Those explanations couldn't left anyone with satisfactory feeling..
Mitchie at right place and right time with his van? Nae saves the day against two armaded men? Come on... this cannot be saved even by suspension of disbelief anymore!

Character naive and reasonless actions aside (Kai speech to Aki was the worst.. like he was turning blind to all the danger he was stepping in. Also, why the hell they even care for some fucking GunPro robot - thousands people died there!)
Logic here was twisted so many times it doesn't make sense at all!

Or - if this makes sense in R;N VN - blame the poor execution instead. And if Chaos;Head is needed to understand those events it's even worse.
Putting so many twists and revelations to one ep really wasn't good move when some of earlier episodes was so bland.

Kansokusha said:

Haha ya Visual Rebuilding, it was a typo XP.

Amadeus is an AI in the ongoing three volume S;G novels set in the Beta Worldline following Kurisu's death. You know, the whole extracting memories and incorporating them into an AI thing. They developed the VR technology for the greater good of humanity, but it's always being used by the evils, one way or another. =(

bloggbigg said:

I'm with you Mich666. Frau went from being a secure shut-in with an almost paranoid need for surveillance, (with people who could detain and question people anywhere in Japan), to having an effectively open house. We won't even ask what spurious reason sent Nae there. I'm guessing the candy company is a cover- but why? whatever.
Kai did treat Aki the worst- of all the people in the series that needed a 'telling off', she certainly wasn't top on the list- just the easiest to punk it seems.
Putting in extra 'candy' for the people who watch 'All teh videoz' is fine- leaving key information dependent on all the rest... no so good a plan. I'm sure we'll get a few 'expositional speeches' soon enough- to clarify for the 'slow viewers'.
It's like they changed writers, focus, theme (Hell- both robots together have taken 5 steps in their whole robot lives- and it looks like the whole thing is a red-herring). Ah well- series isn't over yet. Anything can happen...

Finjas said:
For now I just want to get an explanation of monopoles falling from the sky.
If that thing won't be explain, it would look like a complete mockery.

bloggbigg said:
Thanks for clarifying. Unfortunately that makes it worse- because 'naked eye AR' is easily an even more advanced technology (not to mention just techno-gibberish). As for the monolith, I listed that separately because it makes little sense to manifest something so 'mundane'- even if to 'match' a niche fan 'rumor', but I guess it makes as much sense as the rest.

bloggbigg said:
What people? Who are they distracting? It's not as if they can ever 'stop watching airspace'- planes use that- and building a project around a random guy in 'the military' both watching the news and looking away is way less reliable than some infiltration/brainwashing/robot interference/other scheme. Sure civilians are going to freak out "Oh my god! it's a monolith- like in the lost Gunvarrel episode! Aiieee!" then they have to send the military to support "Abandon your posts men, we hear there be monoliths afoot!"- but whatever.

Finjas said:

Don't think so. Three episodes left.
There is just to many flaws to fix them all. For some reason, that's not bothers me so much. Maybe its because I know how much anime-adaptations could be screwed after Chaos;Head-anime.
For now I just want to get an explanation of monopoles falling from the sky.
If that thing won't be explain, it would look like a complete mockery.

Kansokusha said:
The Noah is nothing new in term of technology goes in-universe, the Noah II in C;H a decade ago could do the same thing by injecting information directly into people's brains. The Noah IV is just an improved version. And the monolith isn't just some niche fan rumor, everyone knows the Gunvarrel show, it's being recognized worldwide as the most successful mecha anime ever and was responsible for the robot boom that followed. Just as the Committee planned. Kimijima secretly funded the show and brainwashed the whole staff into making it the propaganda tool for the Committee. The leaked final episode of Gunvarrel, plus Kimijima's plain statement linking the show with the Committee in his reports, the appearance of the Grand Monolith will surely make people panic, what if it's real? Is this evil organization going to destroy the earth with this thing? Ya they are going to kill you all, but with other means.

Kansokusha said:
It's not just the monolith at the Expo(it's the WORLD EXPO, everyone's eyes are on this damn expo), but there are also destruction caused by the solar flare and terrorist attacks everywhere - illusions of the Noah devices and wide usage of Iru-O. Governments need time to sort things out(did I fail to mention that many higher ups in the world governments got killed in the previous HUG berserk incidents?), and the panicked public don't make things any easier. And if you ask why don't they use other more practical means to fulfill their goal - following is a minor spoiler, it's not really a plot spoiler, but covers the personality of Kimijima, so read it at your own risk.

Mich666 said:
WTF did I just watched?!! Those explanations couldn't left anyone with satisfactory feeling..
Mitchie at right place and right time with his van? Nae saves the day against two armaded men? Come on... this cannot be saved even by suspension of disbelief anymore!

Finjas said:
Do you mean Heijikyokusen no Epigraph? I hope someone will translate it eventually.
Also, it's pretty impressive how authors of SciADV manage to base their every story on a single technology. Talking about very lucky choice of the central theme.

Finjas said:
Don't think so. Three episodes left.
There is just to many flaws to fix them all. For some reason, that's not bothers me so much. Maybe its because I know how much anime-adaptations could be screwed after Chaos;Head-anime.
For now I just want to get an explanation of monopoles falling from the sky.
If that thing won't be explain, it would look like a complete mockery.

bloggbigg said:
Thanks for the spoiler- I just nod my head at this point. This is why some anime will never approach 'literature' in the minds of some people. The overused trope of 'villain just because I can be' is entirely overused in anime- see:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InvincibleVillain
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoomsdayDevice

Kansokusha said:
To me the Committee is the villain here(although I'm pretty sure that they see themselves as the savior of mankind), Kimijima is outright

Kansokusha said:

In the VN, Kai's father is the captain of the flight between Tanegashima and Tokyo. Nae told the father and Mitchie to standby at the airport in case of emergency. Sawada revealed at the Expo that his father is a member of the Committee, Sawada opposes their ways and secretly founded the Anti-Committee of 300 to fold their plans. Among his comrades are S Braun and some of Kai's "friends" on the Twippo that are unexplored in the anime. Hard to believe that Nae took on two armed soldier? How can one become an agent of a secret origanization without such skills? And just think about her father.

Bobjones said:
Its almost like some of Sister Braun's shit crazy experience as a member of Sern's Rounder leaked over from the beta world-line huh?

Also, what are these questions people keep on talking about? I've read the entire VN and there's still plenty of time to answer all the important things, especially if you're already familiarized with the workings of that world through Choas Head and Steins Gate.

Sure, everything in VN won't be addressed, like some of the technical stuff, but most aren't that important and if you don't know about them they don't really matter at all in terms of "answered questions." Also, it would take some serious nitpicking to bothered by any minor "plot holes," which are probably not even plot holes at all. Overall, not bad but this should had been 26 episodes.

SayakaMagica said:
I had a feeling the SUMERAGI robot was going to go on a rampage. What do you know, it did. It even had rocket pods installed...! It wasn't the only one, too.

According to the information from Mr. Sawada, Kaito has been played for a fool all along by Mr. Kimijima. Mr. Sawada was acting in good faith all along. I thought the GunPro-2 was going to play a bigger role in this, since it's their only other successful piece of work, and had secret(?) monopole motor technology. But it's in no shape to perform any further role after that attack.

It was nice to see Aki and Kai switch roles for once, when he was the one encouraging her. Frau was almost done for back there, until Nae came and demonstrated she could kick serious ass. Miniature black hole technology from SERN... That Noah IV device... the connections to S;G and C;H are stronger than ever...

4Sky said:
Maybe even play the first two novels..

Mich666 said:

As far as I can say Chaos;Head VN is way better than anime while both Steins;Gate anime and VN are sort of the same in overall impact though S;G VN explains some things anime didn't (but those were only some technical things and minor events). Also, there are different routes for every girl to explore. But true end is always the same (as in anime).

I haven't played Robotics;Notes VN but as far as rating goes it is the worst part of Science;Adventures.
And watching anime I have to say R;N is lot more connected to C;H than to S;G.

Finjas said:
Second this. 4Sky, you really shouldn't watch Chaos;Head anime, even if already have seen it, don't refresh your memories about the events of Chaos;Head through anime, read the VN instead.
That would be much, much better.

eminagnam said:


I wondered if that guy intentionally missed the target.

symbv said:
So you are talking about people committing crime (my example of terrorism is an extreme example) ? Yeah, I am sure that one trick of criminals is to create chaos to execute plan. But that is not "Order out of Chaos", right? And I don't think this trick is used so frequently that I would call it "all the time".

"action that is desired to go unnoticed" is not "order out of chaos", right? Where is the "chaos" in that?

KingCez said:
wow so kimijima was behind it all. damn series made him look like Jesus or something.

Meritas said:


The hologram illusions turned this show into a total mindfuck. I can't fully comprehend what's real and what's not now =