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Jun 23, 2008 11:26 PM
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This is one fucked up episode btw...

...i got confused. Did anyone else get confused to? I dont even know where to start :(

"What happens when we die?" I know that the ones who love us will miss us.
Jul 10, 2008 2:19 PM
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I'm so confused. I don't understand what's real and what's not. Help!!
Aug 5, 2008 6:13 PM
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one of the most mind-fuck episodes Ive seen in my whole anime history,
and one of the few episodes of my whole anime history that made my head spin
Aug 20, 2008 2:54 PM
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Another great episode. Though it technically didn't contribute to the main storyline, it did at least show us how Vincents mind works, or at least his imagination when it comes to dreams. It goes well with what many believe dreams are for: to show you what you think would never happen in life.
Sep 9, 2008 8:40 PM
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That... was intense. My mind is totally expended from this ep
Oct 3, 2008 4:43 PM
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My mind is totally fucked. This is the most fucked up episode in anime history.

Oct 22, 2008 9:44 PM
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So uh, what happened? A dream? An attack from another Proxy?
Nov 11, 2008 12:34 AM
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Great episode. portraying Vincent's fears of what might happen and how he wishes things to be.
Jan 20, 2009 4:52 AM
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Another brilliant episode, I love it when a story is based on things like DID.

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Jan 28, 2009 2:22 AM

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A dream....
Feb 6, 2009 11:44 AM

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Mar 14, 2009 1:31 PM
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what a scary disorder this ep refers to :O but interesting~
May 23, 2009 10:31 AM

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I'm scared and disturbed... was that just a dream or was that some Proxy?
Jun 1, 2009 3:04 PM
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I liked the part of Vincent being together with Re-l.
Is Daedalus really a bro of Re-l or is it just in Vincent's dream ?
Jun 1, 2009 8:04 PM

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anciah said:
I liked the part of Vincent being together with Re-l.
Is Daedalus really a bro of Re-l or is it just in Vincent's dream ?


It's just in Vincent's dream or as Swan would say the past or the reality that he wants to have for himself.
"We practice selective annihilation of mayors and government officials, for example, to create a vacuum, then we fill that vacuum. As popular war advances, peace is closer"
Jun 2, 2009 4:55 PM

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the fuck?

it was weird seeing Vincent as a noble.
Jun 21, 2009 6:45 AM

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Wow. That got my head cracking. Interesting and confusing episode. So who's Swan anyway? Never saw her before.

Jun 21, 2009 9:00 AM

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emp2907 said:
Wow. That got my head cracking. Interesting and confusing episode. So who's Swan anyway? Never saw her before.


Swan is revealed by the episode's end as being also a Proxy.
"We practice selective annihilation of mayors and government officials, for example, to create a vacuum, then we fill that vacuum. As popular war advances, peace is closer"
Jul 28, 2009 7:05 AM

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I was hoping this was more than just a proxy attack/dream sequence, so I was slightly disappointed by the ending, but still a great episode.
Aug 15, 2009 7:53 PM
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Do you remember what Hoody say to Re-l that proxies can also infiltrate into human minds.... i think that is what vincent doing....


BTW. this episode is another MINDFUCKER!
Sep 26, 2009 3:03 PM
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one word.

confusing.
Nov 10, 2009 2:55 AM

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Nah, if you think about it the episode isn't that much of a mindfucker.... still a great one ;]

LoL. Reveals the secret about split personalities. In an exaggerated way....
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Nov 20, 2009 12:29 AM

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Because the last episode totally wasn't weird enough.
Nov 22, 2009 8:04 AM

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Loved it. Vincent in another suits and outlooks. Who doesn't not want to be inside Re-L?

And I laughed out loud because of Spanish dub, when Ergo Proxy cried at the end of the dream.
http://www.mediafire.com/?mmoewzyzrht <---- Scene here. Enjoy it!
Nov 29, 2009 6:26 PM

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It's a coincidence that my psychology class is studying dissociative identity disorder and this episode of Ergo Proxy includes said disorder.

Very interesting episode and just like everyone has said.... very confusing. @_@;;
Mar 7, 2010 2:01 PM

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So i'm guessing he was being mind fucked by another proxy? And the proxy was revealing to Vincent what his own subconscious was fearing?
Apr 3, 2010 10:45 AM
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Wow, loved this episode. I didn't really think it was that confusing; once Swan reveals that she's a proxy, it becomes clear that that whole thing was just a trap to try to get Vincent.
I once had a dream sort of like this o.o
Apr 16, 2010 9:47 AM

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Seemed another proxy attack to me, this time to Vincent conscience. He just understands it when he remember that re-l didn't had a pendent. I agree with you, very confusing, a episode that need to be re-watched.
May 11, 2010 3:59 PM

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Well it's clear each time a strange world or situation comes up that it is the work of a Proxy so I'm no longer confused at the start of the episode. This certainly helps in trying to deduce what's going on in the episode but this one was very strange nonetheless. I managed to figure out that the doctor was the Proxy but I didn't really understand her intentions or methods until the very end.
Jul 25, 2010 2:16 AM
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at first i was like poxy attack but then when pino appeared i though what maybe this is actually happening then the whol split personailty started to make it seem more real but then near end again was confused is it real or not damn that was confusing but still awesome. I wonder if Real has come to like Vincent or not
Aug 25, 2010 2:04 PM

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Someone please call 911, my mind was just brutally raped!!!
Sep 25, 2010 1:16 PM

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I loved how crazy this episode was XD. Note to self: Every weird episode in Ergo Proxy is a mindfuck or another proxy 030.

Love this series! Aww, Real and Vince becoming fiances <3
Oct 3, 2010 8:52 PM

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Whut. D:
Oct 5, 2010 2:26 AM
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If the whole fiancés scene was Vincent's wishful thinking, how come he is perfectly fine with Deadalus being in there whom he isn't supposed to even know?

Speaking of Deadalus - where is Icarus?
Oct 6, 2010 5:12 PM
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seeing the end made everything else make sense.

and i thought the one about the two re-ls and two vinces was confusing to watch
Oct 9, 2010 3:17 PM
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Hah, shit. That was a great episode. I wonder if any of that was a mental proxy attack or if it Vince's mind slowly crumbling because of his split personality (vince/ergo).
The episode was seemingly about the personality disorder, so it seems to be hinting at Vince losing his grip on reality.. Pretty seriously as well.
Only when he becomes one will he finally achieve his truth.. hopefully we'll get to understand it as well.
Nov 6, 2010 2:10 PM

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Where do i even begin to ask questions? Another Proxy invade Vincents brain, inputs thoughts on killing Re-l and the two pendents act like some mind tranfer thing.....AWWWW, tell me it was all in Vincent's thoughts!
Nov 12, 2010 7:37 AM
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Kvakond said:
*Mindfucked*
Dec 7, 2010 2:06 AM

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First i was "WTF is going on??" O_O then after Vincent said that Swan was also a Proxy i knew that they were still on the ship and this was just another illusion (>.<)"
Dec 27, 2010 3:11 AM

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Ummm... I may have to schedule an appointment with my therapist after this one...

I wasn't sure what to expect after episode 19, but this puts my head into just the right spin to accept... well... just about whatever comes next! : )

I must say, series that hurt my brain because I'm trying to figure out what happened are waaaaaay better than series that hurt my brain because of frenetic girl-fight punchout laugh-riot upskirt car chases..

although, there's a place for that

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Feb 7, 2011 2:08 AM

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Wow, it was confusing along the way but at the end I thought was great mindfuck! LOL

As if the last episode was not enough to remind of the other films, this reminded in turn of John Cusack's 2003 film,"Identity" where Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) is the key element of the plot.
You see there's no need to wonder where your god is,
Coz he's right here! ...and he's fresh out of mercy.
Apr 2, 2011 3:38 PM
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aero said:
So uh, what happened? A dream? An attack from another Proxy?

I wonder the same. This was really confusing. The story just gets stranger for each episode. :/
Apr 22, 2011 9:24 AM

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I guess that was Vince's premonition or a dream caused by the fear of being betrayed.
Jun 1, 2011 5:03 PM
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Great episode! My fav for now.
Sep 6, 2011 9:02 PM

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fukushi said:
I guess that was Vince's premonition or a dream caused by the fear of being betrayed.


Pino has somekind of premonition too on 19
I guessed that was caused by a proxy but, no one appeared after all... confusing :p
Dec 25, 2011 8:05 PM

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tofei said:
Wow, it was confusing along the way but at the end I thought was great mindfuck! LOL

As if the last episode was not enough to remind of the other films, this reminded in turn of John Cusack's 2003 film,"Identity" where Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) is the key element of the plot.


Do you recommend that movie?
Dec 25, 2011 8:07 PM

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fukushi said:
I guess that was Vince's premonition or a dream caused by the fear of being betrayed.

THat's deep.
Dec 25, 2011 8:09 PM

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I read in the discussion on episode 19 that someone was glad they had reviews so they were prepared to deal with the plot twists. I have heard that Ergo Proxy starts out good but fizzles out by the end. I wonder if episode 19 was the start of the end, because I didn't like that one or this one.
Aug 28, 2012 5:06 PM

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And lsot interest again...
Oct 23, 2012 10:51 AM

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Totally mindscrewed! But nonetheless, a very great episode!!

Was really lost when Lil/Vince kept on switching personalities until Vincent knew that

Swan is a another proxy which I refused to believe before it was revealed coz the events felt plausible for the storyline.

Also, this ep showed Vincent's fear and desires. :)
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