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I'm downloading Ayako's subs and they seem to be good to me. Haven't noticed any errors but then again I'm not one to seek out a subbing group, anything will do for me as they all seem to do a good enough job for me to enjoy the shows.

Ah Kanokon. Well i can say its better then To Love Ru and a number of other shows airing at the moment. The over the top humor and fansevice will turn a lot of people off this show but if you go into it expecting the next Da Capo then this show will always disappoint.

Apr 24, 2008 4:29 PM

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Ayako's releases have tons of errors and they're going for the implied meaning in many scenes. I'm surprised since this is lower quality than the other few releases I have by them. They've never been great, but this is a bit much. Not like it matters given the source.

And I didn't have any expectations when I went into this. I started watching it because people were screaming that the sky was falling regarding the fanservice, and was disappointed to find out that it was just people using the usual scapegoat to make fun of fanservice anime. This anime has a lot of serious problems, so if people can't find them in this case and still go straight for the fanservice like usual, then there's no hope for them. However, just like people will sidestep the actual content to bash it, other people seem to write off fanservice anime as if the genre should be immune to criticism.

I'm watching it, I'm giving it a chance, and I see it failing all over the place.

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Apr 24, 2008 5:11 PM

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I guess you ether find the humor and fansevice funny or you dislike the show as there is very little else to it. I know what kind of show it is and find it amusing so i will continue to watch it the same way i judge all shows airing at the moment.

I think the reason why people think you shouldn't criticise fanservice anime is because its fanservice anime. Its that simple. The whole point of the show is fanservice and most of the time comedy. The story is usually of no importance to the show as it has a very different aim. I will in no way attempt to gloss over this shows failings of which you could write a very long list of but i know its not even trying in those areas in the first place.

Apr 24, 2008 5:29 PM

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Fanservice for its own sake usually bothers me, but i can overlook it. I enjoyed umisho and rosario+vampire (tho i did drop R+V after a while cause it was boring especially compared to the manga). There has to be something else there that outweighs the fanservice. Its kinda hard to outweigh kanokon's level of gratuitous fanservice tho, especially considering there is nothing else substantial to the show. When i first began to watch the whole mystery of the building being broken and something going on behind the everyday scenes kept me interested enough to finish the first ep, but then they rushed into the weak fox spirit joining thing and i was done. The loli-ness didn't help the situation.

Apr 24, 2008 5:30 PM

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Fanservice isn't the whole point of these anime. Fanservice is the selling point of these anime. Come for the boobs(wow that sounds bad), stay for the other stuff.

There is a story in here. I don't have any idea at all what it is after three episodes, but it's there. There have been hints like that one guy with the wind magic(actually I don't even know if that's magic or something else because the anime hasn't said what it is), that big dude that we saw in episode 3 that said that spirits shouldn't interact with humans, and other things. No actually that's pretty much it. The point is, there is a story somewhere in there. There are characters. They haven't been developed yet though. These characters have to look like something, and they have to move around the screen or else it wouldn't be anime, so there's art and animation. There is also music that only seems to play during fanservice scenes, which was fixed for episode 3. The anime is trying in every single one of those areas. It's just doing a horrible job.

I've seen a whole lot of fanservice anime, and they've all had a story. Except Koi Koi 7. I'm not kidding. There's 11 episodes of nothingness and then the last two episodes are the most random bullsh They've all had characters that get developed. Except for

If these anime really were only going for fanservice there would just be 25 minutes of random girls without names that don't do anything but go at it in the shower or a hot spring, and I haven't seen many anime like that. Except for the last episode of Ko

Apr 24, 2008 5:36 PM

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I think they make these weak plot anime for horney otaku to wank off too, in order to get their money :P Sure they might have all had a story, but the story is just a reason to introduce other characters and situations that provide yet more fanservice.

I'm not saying all anime thats heavy on fanservice is like that, but there are some that are like that i think.

Apr 24, 2008 5:41 PM

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Like Koi

There's no doubt that some of these are made for exactly what you said. For example the Girls Bravo manga doesn't have as much fanservice. You can tell then that the anime was changed to be like that on purpose, and of course why else would that be. For others the fanservice is just part of it, but you said yourself they're not all like that so it looks like we agree on this.

Apr 24, 2008 8:09 PM

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I can enjoy brainless shows as long as they make me laugh. Kanokon does make me laugh or at least smile. I also find the fanservice amusing, just watching to see how far they will go with things is funny in itself.

Your pretty much going to know while watching the first episode whether or not your going to enjoy this show as i can assume that its just going to be more of the same fanservice/humor throughout the show. I'm not trying to stick up for this show, only point out that these shows very rarely have anything more going for them then the usual so you shouldn't expect much from it in the story area. I'm sure they will spend a few seconds per episode hinting at the overall story and dump the ending to it in the last half of the final episode.

Theres no reason to even give this show a chance if your not a fan of fanservice based shows. Sure you could miss a hit but its not very likely is it?

Allison & Lillia would be my pick of the season for a developing story. Besides Code Geass or course but that goes without saying.

Najica actually has a great show in my opinion even though its a fanservice based show. There are fanservice shows with more to offer out there but i haven't come across many so i never look for them for that reason. If they do end up having more to offer then thats a welcome bonus.

Apr 25, 2008 12:40 AM

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There's nothing wrong with enjoying this show. Anyone can enjoy anything. I just don't consider it a bonus for fanservice anime to have substance, I consider it a requirement just like any other type of anime.

Of all of the fanservice anime I've seen, only Koi Koi 7 is below Kanokon, and that's not a good thing. As much as I like to bash Green Green, Girls Bravo, HiMM, etc. even they all have decent to good art, animation, and music, and usually contain some kind of story and character development(although Green Green failed hard in the last few episodes). If you can't beat the unholy trinity, then...

So back to Kanokon. I went back to rewatch the new Ayako releases, and there isn't much of a difference. Something I noticed though was that in the scene before the OP, the animation is shit. There's no need to sugar coat it. I went back to the first versions I have and the problem is still there. This isn't found anywhere else in the episode(or I just haven't noticed), but it's such a huge difference that I have to wonder why it's like that. In episode 2 for example...the other girl, seemingly teleports off the bike, and both her and the guy she's with move like robots. In episode 3 when Chizuru's brother is moving around the house it's like they cut out every other frame or something. It's not like these are important scenes or anything, but they really stand out.

Apr 26, 2008 2:24 PM

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I haven't seen Kanokon yet, but I did watch a fair share of fanservice oriented anime and enjoyed quite a lot of them. The difference between good and bad fanservice show for me is the quality of the art (because let's admit it, fanservice show with bad paintings = epic fail, see HiMM and Girls Bravo), and the humor.
Unlike Hajime, I consider plot to be a "nice to have" requirement. Koharu Biyori for example, is a fanservice show that I enjoyed quite a bit and it got absolutely no plot whatsoever, not on surface, not underneath, none. I found its humor to be funny, and the art pleasing to the eye. Some other shows got some sort of a weak plot, but I still don't watch them for the plot but for the comedy and fanservice relief they supply, e.g. Gooshuu-sama, Maburaho, etc. And some shows just fail completely like Rosario + Vampire, while the art is somewhat pleasing, the humor is just.. missing? No, not missing it's there but... Let's say that the best way I can think of describing it is "Semi parody, semi trying-to-be-funny-in-the-same-genre-it-parodies, all bullshit".

Apr 26, 2008 2:31 PM

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^as r+v went on i got the same feeling

Yeah humor can make up for the fanservice if its good and funny. The Maid Guy thing for instance has mad fanservice but its just so humorous the comedy really overshadows it. Its like the fanservice is more a gag than a serious attempt to be a turnon :P Umisho was like that too and i like umisho

Apr 26, 2008 2:50 PM

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Umisho :thumbsup:, also "They are my noble masters", what a show :D!
p.s. Though last few episodes of masters sucked..

Apr 26, 2008 4:14 PM

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also "They are my noble masters", what a show :D!
p.s. Though last few episodes of masters sucked..

I just finished this a few weeks ago and I really enjoyed it. I also thought it was pretty good. That's an example of how to do fanservice properly. It had a large cast of characters for a fanservice show at around 11 or so, and most of them were utilitized in just about every episode. They all had distinct personalities, they all interacted with each other, they all played off each other to create great comedy and fanservice, etc. There was a weak plot that was focused on in the last few episodes and I felt it was rushed, as well as the motivations for a few characters seemed kind of off(his father's complete change of heart was total BS), but at least it was there from the first episode and the anime tried to do something with it. Finally, the Colonel single-handedly provided more entertainment than most fanservice anime. :P

Kanokon can't even do anything with 2 characters, let alone 3(the new girl), or 11 like Kimiaru.

Apr 26, 2008 5:01 PM

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You guys need to watch Maid Guy, KoGARashi is fucking amazing, latest ability... MAID GUY X-RAY VISION!!!

Apr 26, 2008 5:16 PM

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I'm definitely interested in watching that, but for now I need to take a break from shows like this. I recently watched Kimiaru and Rosario to Vampire, plus I'm watching Kanokon which...doesn't make me want more...but when this is over I'll probably watch Maid Guy.

Apr 26, 2008 6:05 PM

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I'm already watching too many shows as it is at the moment though you do put forward a good case supporting Maid Guy.

I actually found Rosario to Vampire to be quite enjoyable apart from the (laughs) serious battles. Just leave them out in favor of more brainless humor and fanservice. Boob jokes never get old.

Apr 27, 2008 4:08 AM

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Maid guy isn't the best fanservice show this season (Kanokon wins in fanservice) but it's the best show with fanservice, seriously KoGARashi is amazing. I though the Colonel from They are my noble masters was good but KoGARashi is in another league.

Apr 27, 2008 4:12 AM

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I though the Colonel from They are my noble masters was good but KoGARashi is in another league.

Do want. I guess I'll start watching this too.

Apr 27, 2008 4:18 AM

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I'm seriously hoping that they parody the Colonel and make him an enemy of KoGARashi for an episode, it would be awesome.

Apr 27, 2008 4:27 AM

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I think its pretty funny he never thought to be a butler, which is essentially the male counterpart to a maid lol ANd the dress is lol

I love the ending with him in the background

Apr 27, 2008 4:33 AM

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His VA is awesome too, so underused in anime.. but than aagain he does a lot of dubbing roles, he's Jack Bauer for one!

http://myanimelist.net/people.php?id=113

Takamura ftw.

Apr 27, 2008 4:41 AM

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Wow he pulls off shinigami sama with that deep voice?

Apr 27, 2008 4:46 AM

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Ooh, the guy who did Genma's voice. I can imagine that putting that voice on anyone is going to make them sound badass.

Apr 27, 2008 4:48 AM

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So... Maid Guy is the trendy thing now? :P Everyone seem to like it, I guess I should start watching it as well :D.

Apr 27, 2008 4:49 AM

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Genma is an asshole.

Apr 27, 2008 4:49 AM

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A badasshole.

Apr 27, 2008 4:56 AM

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Kazuma is a badass, Genma is just an asshole.. I hate him, seriously, I do.

May 1, 2008 8:00 PM

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If DazarGaidin watched episode 4 it would one-shot him. I had to bubble-hearth once the bunny-suit went on the rampage.

This is only 12 episodes, right?

May 1, 2008 8:02 PM

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My theory is by episode 12 it will be a snuff film. Seriously, its the only way it could top itself for shock value on the 12th time.

May 1, 2008 8:16 PM

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Shock value isn't a problem as I've seen plenty of anime with fanservice that puts Kanokon to shame. I know you've seen Girls Bravo. How did you like the full on nudity and that one guy that molested the girls every episode, not to mention the naked loli character. That's on the first season. The second had that octopus scene that could single-handedly destroy what Kanokon has shown so far.

It's the suck value that's a problem. One third of the way through and there's still shit for story and character development. I'm going to watch it all the way through though. I can't let this anime's bad defeat me.

May 1, 2008 9:05 PM

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The show is just so boring, I just let it play at the corner of my screen and pretend like I'm enjoying it.

May 2, 2008 1:09 AM

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The banana scene wasn't any slouch either...

May 4, 2008 9:26 AM

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So a dradonball z episode with little fanservice (compared to other episodes) and some beginnings of a plot developing (not much but its there). Any one change there mid about this show yet?

May 4, 2008 8:00 PM

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I don't know, let's ask DazarGaidin.

DazarGaidin, have you changed your mind about this show yet? By the way let me know when you've got your blog entry for episode 5 set up. Those pictures and descriptions are always very helpful.

May 4, 2008 8:24 PM

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I could hit you up with a link to the Kanokon fan club if your interested. DazarGaidin should have joined a while ago now as i gave him the link so maybe you would like to join him. Take part in the many intellectual debates and discussions related to Kanokon. Vent the many theories you must have about the plot development and character progression.

May 5, 2008 5:14 AM

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