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| I can't stand Akito. They're so abusive. I tried to see the complexity in their character when I was a teenager, but as an adult, no thanks. I don't care about their past. I know abusers who abused, and it's just an explanation, not an excuse. I don't care about their redemption arc either. What's done is done. No one that abusive can be forgiven, imo. Not when you abused that many people and from such a young age. |
  °:. *₊ ° . ° .• 𝐼𝒻 𝒶𝓃𝓎𝑜𝓃𝑒 𝑒𝓋𝑒𝓇 𝓉𝑒𝓁𝓁𝓈 𝓂𝑒 𝒾𝓉’𝓈 𝒶 𝓂𝒾𝓈𝓉𝒶𝓀𝑒 𝓉𝑜 𝒽𝒶𝓋𝑒 𝒽𝑜𝓅𝑒, 𝓌𝑒𝓁𝓁 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓃, 𝐼’𝓁𝓁 𝒿𝓊𝓈𝓉 𝓉𝑒𝓁𝓁 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓂 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓎’𝓇𝑒 𝓌𝓇𝑜𝓃𝑔. °:. *₊ ° . ° .•  𝚍𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚒𝚎𝚜 𝚗𝚎𝚠𝚜𝚕𝚎𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛𝚜 |
| It's almost as if she is an antagonist or something. |
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Reply to Piromysl
It's almost as if she is an antagonist or something.
Piromysl said: Yes, and she was written well. Your statement almost makes it seem like people can't hate a character and talk about it, even though that's the point of forum discussions.It's almost as if she is an antagonist or something. |
°:. *₊ ° . ° .• 𝐼𝒻 𝒶𝓃𝓎𝑜𝓃𝑒 𝑒𝓋𝑒𝓇 𝓉𝑒𝓁𝓁𝓈 𝓂𝑒 𝒾𝓉’𝓈 𝒶 𝓂𝒾𝓈𝓉𝒶𝓀𝑒 𝓉𝑜 𝒽𝒶𝓋𝑒 𝒽𝑜𝓅𝑒, 𝓌𝑒𝓁𝓁 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓃, 𝐼’𝓁𝓁 𝒿𝓊𝓈𝓉 𝓉𝑒𝓁𝓁 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓂 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓎’𝓇𝑒 𝓌𝓇𝑜𝓃𝑔. °:. *₊ ° . ° .• 𝚍𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚒𝚎𝚜 𝚗𝚎𝚠𝚜𝚕𝚎𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛𝚜 |
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giaa16 said:
I can't stand Akito. They're so abusive. I tried to see the complexity in their character when I was a teenager, but as an adult, no thanks. I don't care about their past. I know abusers who abused, and it's just an explanation, not an excuse. I don't care about their redemption arc either. What's done is done. No one that abusive can be forgiven, imo. Not when you abused that many people and from such a young age.
I can't stand Akito. They're so abusive. I tried to see the complexity in their character when I was a teenager, but as an adult, no thanks. I don't care about their past. I know abusers who abused, and it's just an explanation, not an excuse. I don't care about their redemption arc either. What's done is done. No one that abusive can be forgiven, imo. Not when you abused that many people and from such a young age.
Everyone hates her because it’s the easiest way, but i think it’s difficult rising in an environment like that and also she knows only one because never goes outside.
Of course i can’t forgive someone who gets suffer someone else (also in the reality like violence or others), but the problem it’s always education, parents, family and how you grow up. Certainly not everyone forgives her, like Isuzu for example, but they all understand everyone was returned to their own body and life and so her. So yes, never forget but also let her have another chance to live (also because in the anime her redemption was real, but in real world it’s worse to see a real change)
silviamaie said: You're right that it is difficult being raised in an abusive environment. My dad had an abusive childhood and then he became an abuser. I didn't become abusive in turn. Again, excuses v. explanations. She had more than enough support to not become sociopathic. Do you say it's easiest to hate her to imply that people should try to like her? I just feel both she is unforgivable and hateable. I never said abusers can't get a second chance, but that also doesn't mean the people they abused have to acknowledge that or forgive them. Isuzu isn't wrong for not forgiving her nor is Tohru wrong for forgiving her. Everyone hates her because it’s the easiest way, but i think it’s difficult rising in an environment like that |
°:. *₊ ° . ° .• 𝐼𝒻 𝒶𝓃𝓎𝑜𝓃𝑒 𝑒𝓋𝑒𝓇 𝓉𝑒𝓁𝓁𝓈 𝓂𝑒 𝒾𝓉’𝓈 𝒶 𝓂𝒾𝓈𝓉𝒶𝓀𝑒 𝓉𝑜 𝒽𝒶𝓋𝑒 𝒽𝑜𝓅𝑒, 𝓌𝑒𝓁𝓁 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓃, 𝐼’𝓁𝓁 𝒿𝓊𝓈𝓉 𝓉𝑒𝓁𝓁 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓂 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓎’𝓇𝑒 𝓌𝓇𝑜𝓃𝑔. °:. *₊ ° . ° .• 𝚍𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚒𝚎𝚜 𝚗𝚎𝚠𝚜𝚕𝚎𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛𝚜 |
Reply to Eira_Akira
Yeah, she did awful things, and I don’t blame anyone for hating her. But at the same time, she was raised in such a toxic environment, manipulated, and never really given a chance to be anything else. It doesn’t excuse her actions, but I can’t help feeling a little sorry for her.
Eira_Akira said: I agree with this to some extent. I do feel a little sorry for baby/pre-abusive-child Akito. I don't feel sorry for her as a teenager/adult. It doesn’t excuse her actions, but I can’t help feeling a little sorry for her. |
°:. *₊ ° . ° .• 𝐼𝒻 𝒶𝓃𝓎𝑜𝓃𝑒 𝑒𝓋𝑒𝓇 𝓉𝑒𝓁𝓁𝓈 𝓂𝑒 𝒾𝓉’𝓈 𝒶 𝓂𝒾𝓈𝓉𝒶𝓀𝑒 𝓉𝑜 𝒽𝒶𝓋𝑒 𝒽𝑜𝓅𝑒, 𝓌𝑒𝓁𝓁 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓃, 𝐼’𝓁𝓁 𝒿𝓊𝓈𝓉 𝓉𝑒𝓁𝓁 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓂 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓎’𝓇𝑒 𝓌𝓇𝑜𝓃𝑔. °:. *₊ ° . ° .• 𝚍𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚒𝚎𝚜 𝚗𝚎𝚠𝚜𝚕𝚎𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛𝚜 |
Reply to tanjim_ahsan16
yeah she was pretty awful indeed. but all the other characters are really great and well written.
| @tanjim_ahsan16 I think they're all well written! Despite my hatred for her, I think she is well written too. Or else she wouldn't be so hateable, right? |
°:. *₊ ° . ° .• 𝐼𝒻 𝒶𝓃𝓎𝑜𝓃𝑒 𝑒𝓋𝑒𝓇 𝓉𝑒𝓁𝓁𝓈 𝓂𝑒 𝒾𝓉’𝓈 𝒶 𝓂𝒾𝓈𝓉𝒶𝓀𝑒 𝓉𝑜 𝒽𝒶𝓋𝑒 𝒽𝑜𝓅𝑒, 𝓌𝑒𝓁𝓁 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓃, 𝐼’𝓁𝓁 𝒿𝓊𝓈𝓉 𝓉𝑒𝓁𝓁 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓂 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓎’𝓇𝑒 𝓌𝓇𝑜𝓃𝑔. °:. *₊ ° . ° .• 𝚍𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚒𝚎𝚜 𝚗𝚎𝚠𝚜𝚕𝚎𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛𝚜 |
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hamne kaiyon ko dekha hai zameen ke lalach me court ka chakkar lagate hue
| @Altieee What is the meaning of this? The auto translation is: "Who have we seen turning to court for greed for land." But what does that mean? |
°:. *₊ ° . ° .• 𝐼𝒻 𝒶𝓃𝓎𝑜𝓃𝑒 𝑒𝓋𝑒𝓇 𝓉𝑒𝓁𝓁𝓈 𝓂𝑒 𝒾𝓉’𝓈 𝒶 𝓂𝒾𝓈𝓉𝒶𝓀𝑒 𝓉𝑜 𝒽𝒶𝓋𝑒 𝒽𝑜𝓅𝑒, 𝓌𝑒𝓁𝓁 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓃, 𝐼’𝓁𝓁 𝒿𝓊𝓈𝓉 𝓉𝑒𝓁𝓁 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓂 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓎’𝓇𝑒 𝓌𝓇𝑜𝓃𝑔. °:. *₊ ° . ° .• 𝚍𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚒𝚎𝚜 𝚗𝚎𝚠𝚜𝚕𝚎𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛𝚜 |
| This is a sensitive topic in real life as well. Those from outside and people who have suffered only psychological abuse have more... hmm.. "tendency" to forgive someone who caused it. But those who suffer constant physical aggressions relive that moment in a way that makes immediate forgiveness difficult (sometimes even in the long term), like Isuzu for example. |
| Like many who love an abuser, Shigure is who he is. Akito sure as hell doesn’t deserve ANYONE’s forgiveness, the least of all, their friendship or presence in his life. But the sincere apology from him is more than most victims of abuse could ever hope for in their entire lifetime. It’s key to remember that miserable abusers like Akito suffered throughout his entire life. Abusers spread their misery to others in any way they can. As a victim of severe childhood (and adulthood) physical abuse like Rin, I thought I would relish the day my father suffered for all the harm he did to me throughout my entire life. (I suffer from C-PTSD and DID). However, now that my father is a weak old man dying miserably, I find only compassion in my heart. Abusers get the miserable existence and miserable ending that they deserve. Will I shed a single tear once he is dead? no. But I also don’t relish in others’ suffering, regardless of the ill they did me. The only one who suffers from bearing hatred is you, the victim. |
giaa16 said: just an explanation, not an excuse This one seems wrong^^ It's not about forgiveness. It's about why people are the way they are. An explaination makes sense. It's not about making an Excuse for anything. It's fleshing out the character. From a writing point of view : An explaination that makes sense and explores why a character is abusive or has other heinous traits makes for a much better story than a character that has gone through horrible things and is still uneffected and "pure", just because the plot demands it and the character is more likeable this way^^ At least that's how I see it. I don't compare it to actual real life abusers. I like the story and how the character is build. |
Merve2LoveFeb 12, 12:43 PM
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shortkait said: omg u don’t like the actions made by the villain of the story Lol this is what I was thinking too. You’re supposed to dislike Akito. |
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omg u don’t like the actions made by the villain of the story
| @shortkait @imjayhime Some people do like Akito and some people don't like Akito. This is a web forum discussion. That's literally the point. It's silly to see people literally post just what you're posting when that's not the point of a discussion, nor are people's feelings black and white. |
°:. *₊ ° . ° .• 𝐼𝒻 𝒶𝓃𝓎𝑜𝓃𝑒 𝑒𝓋𝑒𝓇 𝓉𝑒𝓁𝓁𝓈 𝓂𝑒 𝒾𝓉’𝓈 𝒶 𝓂𝒾𝓈𝓉𝒶𝓀𝑒 𝓉𝑜 𝒽𝒶𝓋𝑒 𝒽𝑜𝓅𝑒, 𝓌𝑒𝓁𝓁 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓃, 𝐼’𝓁𝓁 𝒿𝓊𝓈𝓉 𝓉𝑒𝓁𝓁 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓂 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓎’𝓇𝑒 𝓌𝓇𝑜𝓃𝑔. °:. *₊ ° . ° .• 𝚍𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚒𝚎𝚜 𝚗𝚎𝚠𝚜𝚕𝚎𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛𝚜 |
Reply to Merve2Love
giaa16 said:
just an explanation, not an excuse
just an explanation, not an excuse
This one seems wrong^^
It's not about forgiveness. It's about why people are the way they are. An explaination makes sense.
It's not about making an Excuse for anything. It's fleshing out the character.
From a writing point of view :
An explaination that makes sense and explores why a character is abusive or has other heinous traits makes for a much better story than a character that has gone through horrible things and is still uneffected and "pure", just because the plot demands it and the character is more likeable this way^^
At least that's how I see it.
I don't compare it to actual real life abusers. I like the story and how the character is build.
| @Merve2Love Well, it is about forgiveness for some of the characters. Rin does not want to forgive Akito in the future. "Explanation not excuse" is phrasing often used in trauma and abuse communities. It allows for understanding on why someone is the way they are or why they did what they did, but it doesn't excuse them from that, therefore not invalidating the person who was abused. I didn't mention in my original post anything about preferences for how their character was written. I replied to others here that Akito is well written, or else it wouldn't be so easy to hate them. However, I know their character is redeemed and forgiven by many of the zodiac members in Another, and that's where I, based on my personal experiences with abusers in real life, don't believe they deserve that. Personally. That's all I'm saying. I can't take away my bias and appreciate the character as complex and see the good and bad. I just see the bad. |
°:. *₊ ° . ° .• 𝐼𝒻 𝒶𝓃𝓎𝑜𝓃𝑒 𝑒𝓋𝑒𝓇 𝓉𝑒𝓁𝓁𝓈 𝓂𝑒 𝒾𝓉’𝓈 𝒶 𝓂𝒾𝓈𝓉𝒶𝓀𝑒 𝓉𝑜 𝒽𝒶𝓋𝑒 𝒽𝑜𝓅𝑒, 𝓌𝑒𝓁𝓁 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓃, 𝐼’𝓁𝓁 𝒿𝓊𝓈𝓉 𝓉𝑒𝓁𝓁 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓂 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓎’𝓇𝑒 𝓌𝓇𝑜𝓃𝑔. °:. *₊ ° . ° .• 𝚍𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚒𝚎𝚜 𝚗𝚎𝚠𝚜𝚕𝚎𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛𝚜 |
Reply to persephone1
Like many who love an abuser, Shigure is who he is.
Akito sure as hell doesn’t deserve ANYONE’s forgiveness, the least of all, their friendship or presence in his life.
But the sincere apology from him is more than most victims of abuse could ever hope for in their entire lifetime.
It’s key to remember that miserable abusers like Akito suffered throughout his entire life. Abusers spread their misery to others in any way they can.
As a victim of severe childhood (and adulthood) physical abuse like Rin, I thought I would relish the day my father suffered for all the harm he did to me throughout my entire life. (I suffer from C-PTSD and DID).
However, now that my father is a weak old man dying miserably, I find only compassion in my heart. Abusers get the miserable existence and miserable ending that they deserve.
Will I shed a single tear once he is dead? no.
But I also don’t relish in others’ suffering, regardless of the ill they did me.
The only one who suffers from bearing hatred is you, the victim.
Akito sure as hell doesn’t deserve ANYONE’s forgiveness, the least of all, their friendship or presence in his life.
But the sincere apology from him is more than most victims of abuse could ever hope for in their entire lifetime.
It’s key to remember that miserable abusers like Akito suffered throughout his entire life. Abusers spread their misery to others in any way they can.
As a victim of severe childhood (and adulthood) physical abuse like Rin, I thought I would relish the day my father suffered for all the harm he did to me throughout my entire life. (I suffer from C-PTSD and DID).
However, now that my father is a weak old man dying miserably, I find only compassion in my heart. Abusers get the miserable existence and miserable ending that they deserve.
Will I shed a single tear once he is dead? no.
But I also don’t relish in others’ suffering, regardless of the ill they did me.
The only one who suffers from bearing hatred is you, the victim.
| @persephone1 I find what you say to be mostly true regarding abusers from my experience as well. I personally disagree that the only one to suffer from the victim's negative or hateful feelings is the victim themselves. I think many abusers are narcissistic, and they would relish just being in their victim's head, regardless if it was positively or negatively. Still, I do think there are many abusers who try to seek forgiveness or make peace with their past actions, and they are affected when their victims don't care or want to offer them that forgiveness or compassion they seek. Also, it's easy for me to hate Akito wholeheartedly because I didn't have these experiences with them myself. In real life, my feelings toward my own father for his abuse of me and my mother is more complex. It's not full hatred. There is part of me that pities him, too. But, as I said above, I take his words as explanation, not an excuse. He even on some days that he isn't as full of himself and in denial can also admit that he knows he can't use his explanation as an excuse for being a horrible person. |
°:. *₊ ° . ° .• 𝐼𝒻 𝒶𝓃𝓎𝑜𝓃𝑒 𝑒𝓋𝑒𝓇 𝓉𝑒𝓁𝓁𝓈 𝓂𝑒 𝒾𝓉’𝓈 𝒶 𝓂𝒾𝓈𝓉𝒶𝓀𝑒 𝓉𝑜 𝒽𝒶𝓋𝑒 𝒽𝑜𝓅𝑒, 𝓌𝑒𝓁𝓁 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓃, 𝐼’𝓁𝓁 𝒿𝓊𝓈𝓉 𝓉𝑒𝓁𝓁 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓂 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓎’𝓇𝑒 𝓌𝓇𝑜𝓃𝑔. °:. *₊ ° . ° .• 𝚍𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚒𝚎𝚜 𝚗𝚎𝚠𝚜𝚕𝚎𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛𝚜 |
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