Is Mikasa and Eren's relationship one of the weakest points of Aot?

Jan 21, 4:52 PM

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If can take a birds view kinda approach,its one of the strongest points.

@BugsBuggy I don't understand what you're saying

Jan 21, 4:54 PM

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BananoZoldyck said:
Author admited that Mikasa was plot irrelevant and probably Eren was supposed to end up with Historia and impregnate her, but that plot and her story in general was abandoned, and Mikasa last minute became love interest for eren. Isayama was overwhelmed by fans who adore mikasa that's all

Source: I made it the fuck up.
Isayama never said any of that. If anything Historia was the character he didn't know what to do with.

@Yosakusan Let's say that many characters Isayama didn't know what to do in the end or felt very useless, for example: Levi, Armin, Hangie, etc... where before instead you felt they were much more integral to the story.

Jan 21, 4:59 PM

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You got 2 things completly wrong.
1) The whole Mikasa protecting Eren because she's an Ackerman was completely forged by Eren to make her go against him. This is revealed multiple times in the show and it is the thing that would truly ruin Mikasa's character (since the author would remove her free will).
2) It was never revealed that Eren was the father of Historia's child. This was a theory mostly created by shippers but that's all that it is.
So Eren doesn't hate Mikasa since she is actually free and he didn't hook up with Historia either. Everything else u said is subjective so I'm not gonna comment on it.

@Yosakusan 1) This is not true, it was Eren who awakened Mikasa's Ackerman blood, so Mikasa is attached to Eren regardless of her true will, Mikasa herself realizes that she has a headache if she is not next to Eren or if she does not protect him, there is also the discussion about Zeke and Eren who give their point of view, where Zeke confirms this although he also says that Mikasa does it for him because she really loves Eren (even if this is his opinion), the Ackermans were in fact created as bodyguards and it is natural for them to move for those they have to protect (so in a certain sense it is true that Mikasa acted without free will).
2- I never said that Eren was the father of Historia's child, I only said that I found it more sensible than this final relationship with Mikasa

Jan 21, 5:00 PM

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nah i agree with the post

@Nobef Ok, but why don't you agree with the post?

Jan 21, 5:01 PM

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Mikasa is one of the weakest points of AOT, she's just a tool for the plot, She doesn't have any personality, worst caracther by far.

Most ludicrous statement I've ever seen,that too with a Hachiman pfp

@Anime_Skaddiel That's actually a pretty solid statement, since Mikasa doesn't really have a personality.

Jan 21, 5:02 PM

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I agree it's not that significant compare to everything else, but the problem I saw with this kind of analysis always comes from a very western/modern frame - just see some word you are using like toxic. come on, they are live in the face of death all day long and they don't have time for your typical romance fantasy type of distraction

@FlameLightX They actually had 4 years of time skip to strengthen their relationship, which however did not happen.

Jan 21, 5:04 PM

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Jan 21, 5:04 PM

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@ShiroStorm21
dude she's the best girl character ever
an orphan doesn't know wt to do think abt it...
let's not judge it foolishly

@SoloNecromancer To say that she is the best female character ever is a big exaggeration, not to mention worse. Mikasa has no development, she has no personality, the only thing she always keeps thinking about is how to be close to Eren, that's all, this is what Mikasa's character boils down to

Jan 21, 5:07 PM

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I don't understand why don't people discuss this much about the plot Holes in one piece and stop glazing it

@A1w2v3 What does one piece have to do with attack on titan?

Jan 21, 5:10 PM

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for fucks sake leave my favourite story alone don't knit pick it like you are some big writer or something most people that have a problem with a story are just there to be like "🤓 ☝️ so I don't really relate and understand this specific thing in the story because I don't have the past experiences that make me understand this and the thousands of people that actually love the story for this exact things are just total idiots because they relate and understand that specific character" like bro the people that tell the flaws of a story should outright say what their favourite series is and if not then write a complex story with art every day for 10 years without missing the mark.

@A1w2v3 My favorite "show" is Omniscient Reader vewrpoint. That aside I don't understand why we can't put up discussion points to discuss about this series to see what works and what doesn't, and it's your favorite series and that's fine, but that doesn't mean others can't see it differently than you 😅

Jan 21, 5:13 PM

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@Phantom_Siren652
Dude she's grew up together and also eren is a angry maniac who doesn't think abt his ordinary life as other's do, he's goal is to eradicate the enemies who killed his mother.
it's a revenge story , mikasa is very innocent and kind towards him, she understand's him better than anyone,
mikasa is my favorite character in AOT , she's the perfect girl every way, she's silent and strong ,she even go toe to toe with Captain Levi , wt else do you want.
i have her Big wallpaper in my house....

@SoloNecromancer I wish she had her own personality and character development, Mikasa doesn't understand Eren in many ways, the one who understands Eren best is Reiner, moreover she is not the perfect girl, the perfect girl would know how to oppose the person she loves with dedication, but Mikasa is always "brought to her knees" by Eren every time. Lol.

Jan 21, 5:17 PM

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@A1w2v3
yeah you are right brother 🙌
shitheads always picking up something foolishly to critisize better written anime's and want to show off their fav anime's and their taste in the process.

@SoloNecromancer I don't understand how the dynamic between Eren and Mikasa can be a stupid thing when it is a fundamental part of the story, also Aot is not perfect, he also has quite a few flaws that are worth noting because they must be recognized if they are found, one of these is the power of the giants that does not have much coherence and changes the rules to suit the plot instead of having a solid system in which it can work well in the story.

Jan 21, 5:21 PM

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AOT is a masterpiece....
believe it or not
if u can't accept it go and watch it over n ovr again.
Stop Redeculing silly things.

@SoloNecromancer I don't find Aot a masterpiece although I recognize that it is a great series, it had a good construction, good characters and an intriguing plot in the first part of the story where they really made me enter this world, the problem comes in the 2nd part (time skip) where many things felt out of place and a feeling of rush from the story with some things that didn't work at all, although it still had a good narrative and a great premise to be carried forward. If Isayama had put more effort in the 2nd part Aot could have really been a great masterpiece, but it didn't happen, although it still remains a great series

Jan 21, 5:27 PM

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I'm not going to sit here writing paragraphs about how your thinking is flawed

You've seemingly misunderstood every moment of their relationship, you have the completely wrong view of Eren's character, less so of Mikasa's

Eren loved her to the point that he envisioned a future where he would have given up his freedom and the freedom of his people, to stay with Mikasa

@Technothelon In reality you don't offer much food for thought to understand on which points I was wrong...
Eren didn't care about his people, he cared about exterminating his enemies who prevented him from living his concept of freedom and furthermore this secret love only develops at the end when the plot was already focusing on something else, but for everything else from before it was never mentioned except in 2 moments that are not enough to justify this thing, especially because Eren has always treated Mikasa badly throughout the story, his futuristic vision with her was not dictated by love but by a semblance of humanity that wanted to leave all that behind and find some peace, which never happened because Eren is a psychopath who must continue until the end towards his goals

Jan 21, 5:28 PM

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bro missed the fact that their relationship was practically the most integral aspect of the series and plot of AOT…

@eCritic I wouldn't say so, their relationship was easily one of the least interesting points of Aot, there were a lot of much more intriguing things, like the rumbling, Marley vs Paradis, the mystery of the attacking giant...

Jan 21, 5:41 PM

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I don't think it is even a point, to be honest? Compare this with Armin and Eren's relationship, which was more interesting, alongside...everything else.

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Jan 21, 6:31 PM

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Leon888 said:
@Joy-sannyashi This is so well written I don't even know how to respond 😅

hehe 😂 I myself don't even remember what I wrote when I was drunk, but when you mentioned Attack on Titan, I couldn't stop myself

Jan 21, 7:37 PM

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I personally don't care for Mikasa and Eren's relationship. I haven't finished Part 2 of The Final Season nor The Final Chapters. But it was always a one-sided relationship. And I never really understood how people consider Mikasa a great female shounen anime character. She doesn't have any motivation beyond protecting Eren and Armin. The only appealing feature about her character is the fact that she's a skilled Titan slayer. She suffers from the same problem that people criticize other female characters in shounen for. Which is being in love and obsessed with the male protagonist. She's a bland character in my opinion.

Jan 22, 1:16 AM

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BananoZoldyck said:
Author admited that Mikasa was plot irrelevant and probably Eren was supposed to end up with Historia and impregnate her, but that plot and her story in general was abandoned, and Mikasa last minute became love interest for eren. Isayama was overwhelmed by fans who adore mikasa that's all

girl what… you’re coping hard 😭

Jan 22, 5:28 AM

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bro, tf do you mean mordib attachment ? she was literally saved by Eren and Grisha, so naturally, she considered them to be a family and wanted to protect them. after Titans started attacking, her survival instinct kicked in, and she got tougher for the sake of Erens safety. there is nothing morbid about this relationship.

I hope you Do Know that Eren was faking it so that they could start hating him. There is nothing sensible about it. He is manipulating Mikasa and Armin into the thinking process that Eren wants to instill into their minds. Yes, Eren did explain how ackermans blood worked, but he was using this truth in a twisted way. Ultimately, Erens words had good effect on Mikasas's character, but he wasn't genuine in more than one way.
bro, what are you smoking ? Eren didn't stop being part of her family. Mikasa just started to be more self-aware and conscientious in her decisions, However, she still loved Eren, and this growth of her character has nothing to do with what you are yapping about. how is there any meaning in making Mikasa completely disregard Eren?
... all other characters had second thoughts, too. I don't know if you clearly understand what second thoughts are. no one of Erens friends were single minded. killing Eren their moral decision that they had to execute no matter what.

well, seeing how you misjudged Mikasas's character, no wonder you didn't even comprehend what Eren went through. This is straight-up baffling 10/10 rage bait

Jan 22, 11:09 AM

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Leon888 said:
@YamiLoon I appreciate the RE4 reference but I don't appreciate you not reading my post :(

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and also I love Leon S. Kennedy so much
best male character in the RE franchise

Jan 22, 2:40 PM

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for the first several seasons i thought it was fine, like you're aware of it but it isn't really a critical plot thread that needs to be explored. it just goes to add some context as to what is influencing some characters' motives or actions. Later on when it became far more important to the plot there definitely should have been some more focus on it, especially around the period when Mikasa is questioning her resolve to oppose Eren. It would have been beneficial to maybe include some moment or series of moments where Mikasa is shown reflecting on it with more critical thought, is it just some childhood crush, some preordained fate, or genuine ect. I think that would have made their eventual ending a bit more satisfying if it actually felt like the ending to an ongoing debate either of them had been shown to be having, as opposed to the end to one that was merely implied.

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Jan 22, 2:57 PM

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@SoloNecromancer I don't understand how the dynamic between Eren and Mikasa can be a stupid thing when it is a fundamental part of the story, also Aot is not perfect, he also has quite a few flaws that are worth noting because they must be recognized if they are found, one of these is the power of the giants that does not have much coherence and changes the rules to suit the plot instead of having a solid system in which it can work well in the story.

@Leon888 Agree. The early reveals in the series made sense enough but at some point they just became convoluted and really convenient. I actively try not to remember some of them because they're just so ridiculous lol

Jan 22, 3:09 PM

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„it doesnt make sense for mikasa to do it“ how else would ymir have learned that she has to give up on her love towards king fritz?
it does make sense.
and eren not being a super villain makes the show even more interesting and complex

Jan 22, 10:49 PM

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Leon888 said:
I'm going to be a bit long here, so if you don't want to read all of this I understand, but then avoid commenting with sentences that don't lead the discussion anywhere.

Honestly, I always found the relationship between Mikasa and Eren to be an end in itself in the first seasons, with Mikasa chasing Eren more because of a trauma in her past life than a real morbid attachment to him and Eren who feels a sense of inferiority towards Mikasa in various aspects and for this reason he doesn't treat her in the best way.

This relationship in the final season reaches its peak and also what I consider one of the weakest points of this series, Mikasa still continued to worry obsessively about Eren while Eren now seemed indifferent to everything, but when Eren tells Mikasa that he has always hated her I found it as one of the highest points of the show for 2 reasons: 1 and that it finally gives a sensible explanation about Mikasa's real attachment (i.e. the Ackerman blood), 2 it is perfectly in line with Eren's character and his idea of freedom.
And this was turning into an evolution for Mikasa that really seemed to be reaching her full potential, with her finally realizing the headaches, the true nature of Eren, her own will… it really seemed to be building Mikasa into a character that would grow out of this very toxic relationship where she was being manipulated more by her lineage than her real feelings and in fact she drops the scarf and for the first time seems to not want to help Eren even though he might be in danger.
This was going in a really interesting direction where you could finally see these characters grow.

And here's where I don't understand what happened, Mikasa always returns to being the same slave who has to follow Eren because yes (I guess it's Armin's fault), even though everyone now seems more on the road to killing him to stop him and doesn't seem to have any kind of second thoughts about him, there's even the scene with the girl who stole her scarf in which Mikasa shows a really hateful attitude in that scene, paradoxically similar to Eren with her, even though that girl is about to die...
all the potential development of Mikasa wasted and her character became one of the most generic ever (as well as one of the most overrated given how much she is loved by the fandom).

And here I also have to talk badly about Eren (yes, Mikasa kills him but at this point I found the whole thing extremely forced as a choice, I would have preferred it to be someone else because it doesn't make sense for Mikasa to do it) because despite being consistent with his way of thinking until the end, in the last dialogue with Armin, he confesses that he loves Mikasa (always in his distorted version of things) and that he regrets what he said to him... I mean, this thing is very inconsistent, there is nothing in the series that leads Eren to have romantic feelings for Mikasa (they only have 2 intimate moments that are not enough for me to justify such feelings) given that throughout the series he treats her badly and above all the fact that he hated Mikasa for not satisfying his criteria for freedom was perfectly in line with the character, I don't understand this bullshit on Isyama's part to make the final ship ErenxMikasa when it didn't make sense to exist, it made much more sense at this point that Historia had a child by Eren because there was a strong motivation in that.

Your opinion ?

The reason they never get together or progress at all is because Eren had seen the future very very soon in the show. Mixed with his conflicted feelings at the start, he knew he would never be able to have a future with her and that he would have to hurt her eventually to finish the rumbling. This is why he always seemed to be pushing her away. Although I can agree Mikasa had very little development to follow him so much, and also we don’t get to see erens conflict with what he had to do very many times throughout. Overall a lot happened at the end and the emotions part of 2/3 main characters lacked a little.

Jan 25, 11:10 AM

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Leon888 said:
I'm going to be a bit long here, so if you don't want to read all of this I understand, but then avoid commenting with sentences that don't lead the discussion anywhere.

Honestly, I always found the relationship between Mikasa and Eren to be an end in itself in the first seasons, with Mikasa chasing Eren more because of a trauma in her past life than a real morbid attachment to him and Eren who feels a sense of inferiority towards Mikasa in various aspects and for this reason he doesn't treat her in the best way.

This relationship in the final season reaches its peak and also what I consider one of the weakest points of this series, Mikasa still continued to worry obsessively about Eren while Eren now seemed indifferent to everything, but when Eren tells Mikasa that he has always hated her I found it as one of the highest points of the show for 2 reasons: 1 and that it finally gives a sensible explanation about Mikasa's real attachment (i.e. the Ackerman blood), 2 it is perfectly in line with Eren's character and his idea of freedom.
And this was turning into an evolution for Mikasa that really seemed to be reaching her full potential, with her finally realizing the headaches, the true nature of Eren, her own will… it really seemed to be building Mikasa into a character that would grow out of this very toxic relationship where she was being manipulated more by her lineage than her real feelings and in fact she drops the scarf and for the first time seems to not want to help Eren even though he might be in danger.
This was going in a really interesting direction where you could finally see these characters grow.

And here's where I don't understand what happened, Mikasa always returns to being the same slave who has to follow Eren because yes (I guess it's Armin's fault), even though everyone now seems more on the road to killing him to stop him and doesn't seem to have any kind of second thoughts about him, there's even the scene with the girl who stole her scarf in which Mikasa shows a really hateful attitude in that scene, paradoxically similar to Eren with her, even though that girl is about to die...
all the potential development of Mikasa wasted and her character became one of the most generic ever (as well as one of the most overrated given how much she is loved by the fandom).

And here I also have to talk badly about Eren (yes, Mikasa kills him but at this point I found the whole thing extremely forced as a choice, I would have preferred it to be someone else because it doesn't make sense for Mikasa to do it) because despite being consistent with his way of thinking until the end, in the last dialogue with Armin, he confesses that he loves Mikasa (always in his distorted version of things) and that he regrets what he said to him... I mean, this thing is very inconsistent, there is nothing in the series that leads Eren to have romantic feelings for Mikasa (they only have 2 intimate moments that are not enough for me to justify such feelings) given that throughout the series he treats her badly and above all the fact that he hated Mikasa for not satisfying his criteria for freedom was perfectly in line with the character, I don't understand this bullshit on Isyama's part to make the final ship ErenxMikasa when it didn't make sense to exist, it made much more sense at this point that Historia had a child by Eren because there was a strong motivation in that.

Your opinion ?

So to be honest I did not read your entire post but the main idea I agree with, yes their romance is one of (but not the most) weakest parts of AOT. The truth is that their relationship isn't really saying anything about romance or intimacy in any meaningful way that makes the reader/viewer think and reflect upon their own relationships. Mikasa's whole character revolves around Eren which hurts her ability to be of use in the plot besides anything to do with Eren. Lastly at the end of the day, don't we feel like Mikasa is a bit of a male brain female character? Sure she fights well and is boyish... but if you really look at her character she is written in a way to where her only important plot relevant actions are done for the male protagonist. If anything I'd say the way she is written is mildly sexist to me.

Jan 25, 7:21 PM

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I think there's an interview out there with isayama where he says he's terrible at writing romantic relationships so he avoids it

Jan 26, 9:10 PM

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I think it could have been excecuted better. Romance and dating culture that isnt inherently western/american is based on subtle social cues. By that perspective, everything makes sense.

I think eremika is really cute. Could they have had more moments together? Yes. Could Eren have been more upfront and honest with his feelings? Yes. But they ultimately were both teenagers in a life or death situation, there wasn't much time to think of romance, which made their relationship realistic.

But yeah. One of the weaker points of AOT for sure.

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