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Dec 29, 2024 10:41 AM
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Mahiro is waay too happy as a girl, something I don't think any normal boy would be. I just wonder why people still insist Mahiro is totally not trans-coded, even though honestly I see this manga as reliving a childhood in your preferred gender this time. Especially since when Mahiro was a boy they were depressed and shut themself off from the world. I just feel like you can't call this your average man in girl's body gender-bender story, since Mahiro could've stopped taking the magic potion more than once by now, and if she was totally not trans, she would've loved to turn back into a boy.

I've said what I could, but I just find it baffling that people see this as something completely different, and while it is up to interpretation, it does not change the fact that Mahiro is HAPPY AS A GIRL, and that is veeery trans.
Dec 29, 2024 12:05 PM
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I can see it from both perspectives. A lot of cis guys would be happy in a girl's body and the anime makes it seem like the protagonist enjoys being a girl mainly because it allowed him to make friends, not because of the body itself. But I won't deny that a trans person could relate to the protagonist.
Dec 29, 2024 1:01 PM
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I think Mahiro just enjoys the relief of getting to be the younger sibling, since they felt a lot of pressure being the older sibling. Gender was kind of irrelevant because that's not where their stress was coming from, but since it's a package deal they've accepted their new gender as it's better than their previous situation. I think it's also fine that trans people can relate to Mahiro, though.
Dec 29, 2024 2:07 PM
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thats a super valid take sis, keep em coming!
Dec 29, 2024 3:15 PM
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And where is the problem with that?
Dec 29, 2024 5:05 PM
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Because it was not Mahiro's choice to begin with and the alternative is being a friendless shut in with responsibilities Mariho is not able to handle and a very mundane repetitive life where it feels like any opportunity and hope is long lost. Keep in mind the age change is part of this not just a sex swap. How could Mahiro explain things and keep the same middle school aged female friends and be able to spend same amount of time with them if just going back to being a 20 something year old male? If the only time Mahiro knew how to make friends is as a middle school girl how could he possibly even figure how to do the same as a male in his 20s? The ways males and females are socialized is different and different age groups can socialize different so the experiences arent the same and cant really always translate over. Even if they stayed friends there would be no going to school together, and there would likely be no sleepovers, and no going to oneen together since mixed sex onsen arent as common as they used to be. Even Kaede might not be as interested in him anymore and he'd possibly lose some of the closeness built back up with Mihari if he goes back to how things were before due to not having time to develop psychologically with better experiences. The first time the drug was taken intentionally was out of panic of being exposed and found out which was immediately regretted.

The whole concept of trans coded is silly because Mahiro is acting how a lot of cisgendered guys who have a similar life would react to such an extreme situation. That isn't to say that a trans person would not relate in some way just that it is more a human thing than a trans thing given the circumstances and it isn't cannon so it obviously isn't some metaphor and if it were it would be a bad one since it shows Mahiro able to adjust with whatever body even if it is not consensual and how Mahiro becomes 100% biologically a girl and yet it is 100% reversible which is part of why people would want to push back on talk of being "trans coded". All that could be said of Mahiro is having a feminine side and a masculine side that compete with each other resulting in gap moe.
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Dec 29, 2024 5:54 PM
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1. culture is way different in jp
2. maybe he is bc he a pedo
3. story is more about living properly + gender swap gags instead of trans culture
Dec 29, 2024 9:12 PM
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Because it was not Mahiro's choice to begin with and the alternative is being a friendless shut in with responsibilities Mariho is not able to handle and a very mundane repetitive life where it feels like any opportunity and hope is long lost. Keep in mind the age change is part of this not just a sex swap. How could Mahiro explain things and keep the same middle school aged female friends and be able to spend same amount of time with them if just going back to being a 20 something year old male? If the only time Mahiro knew how to make friends is as a middle school girl how could he possibly even figure how to do the same as a male in his 20s? The ways males and females are socialized is different and different age groups can socialize different so the experiences arent the same and cant really always translate over. Even if they stayed friends there would be no going to school together, and there would likely be no sleepovers, and no going to oneen together since mixed sex onsen arent as common as they used to be. Even Kaede might not be as interested in him anymore and he'd possibly lose some of the closeness built back up with Mihari if he goes back to how things were before due to not having time to develop psychologically with better experiences. The first time the drug was taken intentionally was out of panic of being exposed and found out which was immediately regretted.

The whole concept of trans coded is silly because Mahiro is acting how a lot of cisgendered guys who have a similar life would react to such an extreme situation. That isn't to say that a trans person would not relate in some way just that it is more a human thing than a trans thing given the circumstances and it isn't cannon so it obviously isn't some metaphor and if it were it would be a bad one since it shows Mahiro able to adjust with whatever body even if it is not consensual and how Mahiro becomes 100% biologically a girl and yet it is 100% reversible which is part of why people would want to push back on talk of being "trans coded". All that could be said of Mahiro is having a feminine side and a masculine side that compete with each other resulting in gap moe.
@traed Erm, then why did Mahiro not stop taking the feminizing drug? And where is this “immediate regret” you talk about? I can understand the first argument, but the second time she took the drug it was more than just that. And the MMORPG chapter, erm, would a cis guy brag about being a girl online after someone says “they’re a fake girl”? Also, just the fact she feels strangely happy in girls’ clothes, wants bigger breasts (not even for sexual reasons), starts even to refer to herself as a girl in her mind?

I don’t want anyone to force anyone into thinking Mahiro is trans of course, it is my interpretation of the work. But I consider it ridiculous to call it a “silly” idea when there’s plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise. Plus this post has no clue how gender dysphoria even works, and being trans is still human anyways.
Dec 29, 2024 9:16 PM
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1. culture is way different in jp
2. maybe he is bc he a pedo
3. story is more about living properly + gender swap gags instead of trans culture
@amogusfard Trans people exist in Japan. And “trans culture” doesn’t exist, it’s just the way people are born, not really some “way of life”, and I personally see more meaning to the story than just some gender-bender gags.
Dec 29, 2024 9:16 PM

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thats a super valid take sis, keep em coming!
@Commit_Crime Bait used to be believable.
Dec 29, 2024 10:17 PM

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@traed Erm, then why did Mahiro not stop taking the feminizing drug? And where is this “immediate regret” you talk about? I can understand the first argument, but the second time she took the drug it was more than just that. And the MMORPG chapter, erm, would a cis guy brag about being a girl online after someone says “they’re a fake girl”? Also, just the fact she feels strangely happy in girls’ clothes, wants bigger breasts (not even for sexual reasons), starts even to refer to herself as a girl in her mind?

I don’t want anyone to force anyone into thinking Mahiro is trans of course, it is my interpretation of the work. But I consider it ridiculous to call it a “silly” idea when there’s plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise. Plus this post has no clue how gender dysphoria even works, and being trans is still human anyways.
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Did you actually read the manga or only started where the anime left off? In the anime it was made like a conscious decision not wanting to lose the current life had but in the manga it was being dumb and taking it hastily without thinking about how long it lasts and feeling down about being stuck as a girl right after drinking it. It had been a while so I don't remember if it happened again after then at the point I read up to.

Why not brag about something that would lead to being treated special without actually having to do anything? The Japanese have a word for a guy who pretends to be a girl online and in MMORPGs, a nekama ネカマ which part of reason is just to be treated nicer and sometimes have guys just give you stuff in games lol So that is what that was about, Mahiro was accused of being a nekama and due to actually being a girl in current form responded back on really being a girl because of likely wanting something. Why not be happy in girls clothes if they are cute clothes and look good on ? While it isn't an interest in everyone a lot of guys admire girls clothes as being a lot more interesting to look at, just ask any guy if they were girl what would they wear and you probably would have a number who would describe feminine clothing because they want to look good or just think the clothes are neat and since it's a fake scenario they would imagine it as different from their usual. Considering Mahiro is living as a girl and has an actual fully female body as well as somewhat brain due to part of the drug effects wouldn't it be not that odd to want larger breasts as a sort of way of gaining status or confidence knowing it isnt even permanent since being under the girl's gender role and expectations? That isn't same as if Mahiro was in original male body wanting larger breasts. So yeah a lot of it is just gap moe showing conflict between wanting to be manly and having fun being girly.

Mahiro also still uses the pronoun "ore" (or at least in anime did but i assume it is same) which is more masculine than the still masculine "boku", which isn't that odd even trans women in Japan sometimes use "ore" but considering Mahiro is fully biologically a girl from the drug, not using a more feminine pronoun would come off slightly unusual to others yet no attempt was made to speak differently as far as I am aware reading a translation.

Nekotofu never really fully shows Mahiro's original appearance. But in stories actually about characters transitioning I would think they would actually show what they looked like first so you see the transition. Why not shown is likely so the readers can see Mahiro as just a middle school aged girl but with some masculine mental traits. You could at most say Mahiro is gender non conforming, but not outright a trans girl. The problem with "gender non conforming" is that term in a way could be applied to most people since hardly anyone fully fits in some rigid stereotype. There is just a lot of issues that occur when trying too hard to fit those kind of narratives where it's likely not the author's intent and there are manga and anime with actual trans characters or very clearly trans coded characters out there so it's not like there isn't a place to actually look for that kind of story.
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Dec 29, 2024 10:36 PM

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I might as well contribute my perspective to this thread. Onimai portrays a magical gender transition, not something in current medicine. Mahiro becoming not just a girl but an exceptionally cute girl is an unrealized dream for many. Especially in the US where there seems to be a significant sex-linked height disparity and a harsher European facial structure. This anime/manga doesn't seem relatable to people having difficulties with their transition, since it's a magical sex shift thing. It's not trans "coded", but it's adjacent in the same way crossdressing is.
Dec 29, 2024 10:44 PM

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I haven't read the manga but I've watched the anime (it's in my PTR though).

I don't think there was anything to suggest anything of the sort. Just seemed like a gender-swap comedy. Frankly, I could even see myself creating a story like that without anything queer in mind.

People believe what they want. And so I will choose to believe that it's not since I don't want to believe that something I like is pushing an agenda which I don't agree with.

Of course we're all allowed our own interpretation but I don't see any substance to yours. Just seems like you one-sided going 'hey, that's kinda trans maybe' and then going off that train of thought without really referencing any instances where it would seem that that would be the likely intention.
Dec 30, 2024 9:28 AM

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I forgot I was on an anime forum when I wrote this post, I'm gonna stop posting, cause honestly while I like to have civil discussions, the majority of these posts are all about how it somehow isn't part "of the trans culture", or "stop pushing an agenda", or "did you really read this at all?", or "this interpretation is ridiculous", or "you have no instances in the story" (yes, I have mentioned plenty of elements from the manga).

It's very disheartening to see no one actually bother to see nuance in something, and somehow I'm an idiot for seeing some trans interpretation. I'm getting tired of people acting like this is some "anime-tourist" thing, and somehow being trans doesn't exist in Japan. And yes, I know there are explicitly trans manga, but it's very scarce, so I just want to find something fun.

As I have said before, it is alright if you don't believe Mahiro is trans, and I made this post cause I wanted to understand the thought process of people who thought otherwise, but all I see is people saying being trans is a "belief" of some kind? People are born that way, it is not a practice or way of life.

I apologize if this sounds annoying or preachy in any way, but responses like this are why I really hate the anime community sometime, people just can't seem to think that nuance exists.
Dec 30, 2024 12:58 PM
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Wdym "trans coded" its literaly a gender swap manga
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I haven't read the manga but I've watched the anime (it's in my PTR though).

I don't think there was anything to suggest anything of the sort. Just seemed like a gender-swap comedy. Frankly, I could even see myself creating a story like that without anything queer in mind.

People believe what they want. And so I will choose to believe that it's not since I don't want to believe that something I like is pushing an agenda which I don't agree with.

Of course we're all allowed our own interpretation but I don't see any substance to yours. Just seems like you one-sided going 'hey, that's kinda trans maybe' and then going off that train of thought without really referencing any instances where it would seem that that would be the likely intention.
@wizdom224 Having a trans character in a story doesn't mean it's pushing any agenda. That's a silly take.

It wouldn't be odd if the story eventually concludes with Mahiro staying a girl permanently, since that wouldn't go against any of the current story progression. That wouldn't mean the story is pushing any agenda.
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@wizdom224 Having a trans character in a story doesn't mean it's pushing any agenda. That's a silly take.

It wouldn't be odd if the story eventually concludes with Mahiro staying a girl permanently, since that wouldn't go against any of the current story progression. That wouldn't mean the story is pushing any agenda.
@jeppevinkel You're right. I wasn't really sure what 'coded' meant so I assumed wrong. My mistake.
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@jeppevinkel You're right. I wasn't really sure what 'coded' meant so I assumed wrong. My mistake.
@wizdom224 It doesn't really have a special meaning. Saying it's trans-coded just means it has trans adjacent topics without being outright about trans or directly mentioning trans.
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Gender swap stories are full on sex swaps. Trans is more of an identity people take. Magical sex change stories existed long before trans identity stuff was in the mainstream knowledge. I am not saying trans can't like it, but plenty of straight men like the fantasy too.
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@wizdom224 It doesn't really have a special meaning. Saying it's trans-coded just means it has trans adjacent topics without being outright about trans or directly mentioning trans.
@jeppevinkel Alright, thanks for the clarification.
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I don't see why people really care either way. If someone wants to see a 2D creature as trans representation that's fine. If someone wants to see a 2D creature as a gender swapped boy in a girls body that's also fine. Trying to create discourse over this type of stuff is just really tiring at this point. I haven't seen the manga/anime but all I'll say on this topic is that a story in which a boy is forced to become a girl probably isn't the best trans representation. But again, it doesn't really matter.
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I forgot I was on an anime forum when I wrote this post, I'm gonna stop posting, cause honestly while I like to have civil discussions, the majority of these posts are all about how it somehow isn't part "of the trans culture", or "stop pushing an agenda", or "did you really read this at all?", or "this interpretation is ridiculous", or "you have no instances in the story" (yes, I have mentioned plenty of elements from the manga).

It's very disheartening to see no one actually bother to see nuance in something, and somehow I'm an idiot for seeing some trans interpretation. I'm getting tired of people acting like this is some "anime-tourist" thing, and somehow being trans doesn't exist in Japan. And yes, I know there are explicitly trans manga, but it's very scarce, so I just want to find something fun.

As I have said before, it is alright if you don't believe Mahiro is trans, and I made this post cause I wanted to understand the thought process of people who thought otherwise, but all I see is people saying being trans is a "belief" of some kind? People are born that way, it is not a practice or way of life.

I apologize if this sounds annoying or preachy in any way, but responses like this are why I really hate the anime community sometime, people just can't seem to think that nuance exists.

You're looking at things from a very narrow perspective. Japan has a long tradition of things like crossdressing as part of it's culture which carried on into cosplay today. There also are males in Japan who identify themselves as otokonoko and other terms that don't really exist outside Japan (well technically femboy is close but that is very recent) rather than trans even though some Westerners would try to classify them as trans. So it's complicated. Japanese people also do not have as large difference in face and body from males to females as much as many from a Western European background. Shouldn't it be logical that people who speak a different language and come from a different culture with a different history and have a different genetic background with different physical features from you will think at least a little different from you? You also had a user that was subtly suggesting being trans disagree with you but you're making it out like everyone is just some bigot when clearly that is not the case. You are seemingly suggesting whether you realize it or not how a man or boy should act and any deviation means that someone can only be trans whether they identify with being trans or not suggesting such traits are inherently only held by woman whether cis or trans, which is expressing a strong belief in a validity of gender roles and suggesting an inherent binary and essentialist nature to being cis or trans and man or woman. If only trans girls or trans people related to Mahiro it wouldn't be that popular. Not that relating is only factor in something being popular though.

Have you ever even considered any other way to look at it other than Mahiro being a trans girl? What about how a trans man could interpret Mahiro as a man stuck with a girl's body? How would that view be any less correct than yours? Again transgender stuff is not really the story even if someone trans might relate to it, gender bender sex change in a sort of magical level science here is just something adjacent to that kind of thing so some trans people could relate to it but it's not the point of the story at all, it's Mahiro has a mundane life and prefers having a fun life with friends, gender isn't really what is causing that it just makes it easier to accomplish in such a position because girls generally more socialized and Mahiro being made into a girl is just for moe and to make things more interesting. As I said before one could argue for Mahiro being gender non conforming or maybe even non binary of some kind (though not in name and they call it "X gender" in Japan) but not a trans girl, not canonically. No one is arguing someone trans (I at this point assume you are a transgirl) could not relate to Mahiro or that there is anything wrong with that, just that doesn't make Mahiro a trans girl officially.

Asking if you read the manga from the start is a reasonable question to ask when you overlooked some pretty clear cut moments in favour of the ones of enjoying so called girly things (whatever that means) and a lot of people only read manga from anime point on. Seems I must have been remembering a different moment than one I described since the time at the onsen in chapter 18 wasn't the regret moment now im checking again, odd must have been another chapter though I'm having trouble finding which at the moment and want have been spending enough time on this posting today, maybe id find it later. I think you're just so focused on trying to relate to Mahiro you are overlooking and forgetting moments that show how happy Mahiro gets when having the drug start to wear off having "him" (Im not sure what Japanese term is used for what this euphemism is) come back, although I know part of that is sexual frustration from being mislead to thinking masturbating as a girl would be dangerous.

You can even just read interviews with Nekotofu. He speaks of it as a trope.
https://www.pixivision.net/en/a/8555

I can tell you some stuff I am aware of with trans characters. Bokura no Hentai has a trans girl. There is who very much seems to be a trans woman / trans femme (or something along those lines) in Skip & Loafer (I only saw the anime havent read the manga). I have not read or watched atm but Hourou Musuko (Wandering Son) is about a trans girl and trans boy. I also had came across a scifi manga that had some trans adjacent themes in it but i cant recall the name because i only read a little of it and didnt have it added to my list since i forgot about it but plot revolved around a shortage of women so boys of 12 half are turned into girls whether they like it or not. I know there is definitely a lot more just I don't consume enough manga to run across it to check myself and my memory isn't so great so I can't recall every instance and some would be spoilers. Another I could mention in the anime (and mixed media project) Paradox Live has Anne is biologically male but doesn't identify as a man or a woman, though exact label is confusing since it is stated on Twitter but it changed one moment to another.

You have some assumptions you are making about gender dysphoria and trans identity. I won't really get into since you don't seem very open to questioning your preexisting views and it would just get this thread shut down since it goes beyond the topic into just real world research and experiences. I will say not all transgender identified people have gender dysphoria and that there isn't really a for sure known cause of gender dysphoria and when it occurs.
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Iamthewalrus8002 said:
I forgot I was on an anime forum when I wrote this post, I'm gonna stop posting, cause honestly while I like to have civil discussions, the majority of these posts are all about how it somehow isn't part "of the trans culture", or "stop pushing an agenda", or "did you really read this at all?", or "this interpretation is ridiculous", or "you have no instances in the story" (yes, I have mentioned plenty of elements from the manga).

It's very disheartening to see no one actually bother to see nuance in something, and somehow I'm an idiot for seeing some trans interpretation. I'm getting tired of people acting like this is some "anime-tourist" thing, and somehow being trans doesn't exist in Japan. And yes, I know there are explicitly trans manga, but it's very scarce, so I just want to find something fun.

As I have said before, it is alright if you don't believe Mahiro is trans, and I made this post cause I wanted to understand the thought process of people who thought otherwise, but all I see is people saying being trans is a "belief" of some kind? People are born that way, it is not a practice or way of life.

I apologize if this sounds annoying or preachy in any way, but responses like this are why I really hate the anime community sometime, people just can't seem to think that nuance exists.

You're looking at things from a very narrow perspective. Japan has a long tradition of things like crossdressing as part of it's culture which carried on into cosplay today. There also are males in Japan who identify themselves as otokonoko and other terms that don't really exist outside Japan (well technically femboy is close but that is very recent) rather than trans even though some Westerners would try to classify them as trans. So it's complicated. Japanese people also do not have as large difference in face and body from males to females as much as many from a Western European background. Shouldn't it be logical that people who speak a different language and come from a different culture with a different history and have a different genetic background with different physical features from you will think at least a little different from you? You also had a user that was subtly suggesting being trans disagree with you but you're making it out like everyone is just some bigot when clearly that is not the case. You are seemingly suggesting whether you realize it or not how a man or boy should act and any deviation means that someone can only be trans whether they identify with being trans or not suggesting such traits are inherently only held by woman whether cis or trans, which is expressing a strong belief in a validity of gender roles and suggesting an inherent binary and essentialist nature to being cis or trans and man or woman. If only trans girls or trans people related to Mahiro it wouldn't be that popular. Not that relating is only factor in something being popular though.

Have you ever even considered any other way to look at it other than Mahiro being a trans girl? What about how a trans man could interpret Mahiro as a man stuck with a girl's body? How would that view be any less correct than yours? Again transgender stuff is not really the story even if someone trans might relate to it, gender bender sex change in a sort of magical level science here is just something adjacent to that kind of thing so some trans people could relate to it but it's not the point of the story at all, it's Mahiro has a mundane life and prefers having a fun life with friends, gender isn't really what is causing that it just makes it easier to accomplish in such a position because girls generally more socialized and Mahiro being made into a girl is just for moe and to make things more interesting. As I said before one could argue for Mahiro being gender non conforming or maybe even non binary of some kind (though not in name and they call it "X gender" in Japan) but not a trans girl, not canonically. No one is arguing someone trans (I at this point assume you are a transgirl) could not relate to Mahiro or that there is anything wrong with that, just that doesn't make Mahiro a trans girl officially.

Asking if you read the manga from the start is a reasonable question to ask when you overlooked some pretty clear cut moments in favour of the ones of enjoying so called girly things (whatever that means) and a lot of people only read manga from anime point on. Seems I must have been remembering a different moment than one I described since the time at the onsen in chapter 18 wasn't the regret moment now im checking again, odd must have been another chapter though I'm having trouble finding which at the moment and want have been spending enough time on this posting today, maybe id find it later. I think you're just so focused on trying to relate to Mahiro you are overlooking and forgetting moments that show how happy Mahiro gets when having the drug start to wear off having "him" (Im not sure what Japanese term is used for what this euphemism is) come back, although I know part of that is sexual frustration from being mislead to thinking masturbating as a girl would be dangerous.

You can even just read interviews with Nekotofu. He speaks of it as a trope.
https://www.pixivision.net/en/a/8555

I can tell you some stuff I am aware of with trans characters. Bokura no Hentai has a trans girl. There is who very much seems to be a trans woman / trans femme (or something along those lines) in Skip & Loafer (I only saw the anime havent read the manga). I have not read or watched atm but Hourou Musuko (Wandering Son) is about a trans girl and trans boy. I also had came across a scifi manga that had some trans adjacent themes in it but i cant recall the name because i only read a little of it and didnt have it added to my list since i forgot about it but plot revolved around a shortage of women so boys of 12 half are turned into girls whether they like it or not. I know there is definitely a lot more just I don't consume enough manga to run across it to check myself and my memory isn't so great so I can't recall every instance and some would be spoilers. Another I could mention in the anime (and mixed media project) Paradox Live has Anne is biologically male but doesn't identify as a man or a woman, though exact label is confusing since it is stated on Twitter but it changed one moment to another.

You have some assumptions you are making about gender dysphoria and trans identity. I won't really get into since you don't seem very open to questioning your preexisting views and it would just get this thread shut down since it goes beyond the topic into just real world research and experiences. I will say not all transgender identified people have gender dysphoria and that there isn't really a for sure known cause of gender dysphoria and when it occurs.
@traed I said I wouldn’t reply, but I don’t think anyone in this forum seems like a bigot, just a bit frustrating to talk to.

I never thought anyone was a bigot, and anyone’s interpretation is valid. I just wish that my opinion was teared seriously, instead of me being considered “narrow-minded”. And yes, I know Japan has a different culture around crossdressing, I don’t think the culture somehow is the same as Western culture at all. And as someone who literally experienced gender dysphoria myself, officialy diagnosed by a professional, as well as doing tons of research on the topic, I think I know what I’m talking about in that regard.

While Japanese culture is different, the human experience is always the same, no matter where you are. I just wanted to speak my thoughts, and I’ll admit that my first post sounded condescending, I was just genuinely curious about why people thought. I just don’t want to be ridiculed for a valid interpretation.
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I am not sure if I would use the term "trans-coded" as that seems to imply authorial intent fort something perceived as "niche", however uncharitable I think that assumption is, but I can understand why someone feel this work is relevant and applicable to the experience of transgender individuals, and I think that is the most important aspect, honestly. There are all sorts of fictional works that predate modern movements, but it would be silly to suggest Marcus Aurelius Meditations has nothing to say or do with latter philosophical and social movements imho.

To me, part of the global experiences is knowing the similarities between two seemingly disparate experiences. Is it trans-coded, or can it be trans-coded, and what sense does that make?
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@traed I said I wouldn’t reply, but I don’t think anyone in this forum seems like a bigot, just a bit frustrating to talk to.

I never thought anyone was a bigot, and anyone’s interpretation is valid. I just wish that my opinion was teared seriously, instead of me being considered “narrow-minded”. And yes, I know Japan has a different culture around crossdressing, I don’t think the culture somehow is the same as Western culture at all. And as someone who literally experienced gender dysphoria myself, officialy diagnosed by a professional, as well as doing tons of research on the topic, I think I know what I’m talking about in that regard.

While Japanese culture is different, the human experience is always the same, no matter where you are. I just wanted to speak my thoughts, and I’ll admit that my first post sounded condescending, I was just genuinely curious about why people thought. I just don’t want to be ridiculed for a valid interpretation.
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To be clear I just meant bigot in the sense of being heavily partial to one's views and not tolerant to other views. I just said that because it felt that way from having such a negative reaction to others not really agreeing with you.

Do keep in mind regardless of differences Japanese culture is in part influenced by Western culture starting since the Meiji Restoration, so they did pick up some things from elsewhere especially post WWII.
I wasn't meaning that in an invalidating way of your personal experiences. I just mean I try to be as impartial and nuanced as I can in such matters.

In a way yes but also no. A bit too complicated a topic to cover as it is a whole topic in itself. Culture or society and genes and neural development can shape some of the ways people see and react to experiences and their personal experiences also can shape their psyche which further influences how they see the world. On top of that no one actually knows what any other individual even a twin actually feels or thinks for certain. Feeling because of something called qualia like if we look at a red stop sign my red can look different from your red. Thinking because of the limits of language at expression which is something the likes of Ludwig Wittgenstein wrote of which also falls into the former mentioned qualia as one factor in that.

Also keep in mind manga discussion tends to not be super active. So you aren't really seeing the full scope of views.
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To be clear I just meant bigot in the sense of being heavily partial to one's views and not tolerant to other views. I just said that because it felt that way from having such a negative reaction to others not really agreeing with you.

Do keep in mind regardless of differences Japanese culture is in part influenced by Western culture starting since the Meiji Restoration, so they did pick up some things from elsewhere especially post WWII.
I wasn't meaning that in an invalidating way of your personal experiences. I just mean I try to be as impartial and nuanced as I can in such matters.

In a way yes but also no. A bit too complicated a topic to cover as it is a whole topic in itself. Culture or society and genes and neural development can shape some of the ways people see and react to experiences and their personal experiences also can shape their psyche which further influences how they see the world. On top of that no one actually knows what any other individual even a twin actually feels or thinks for certain. Feeling because of something called qualia like if we look at a red stop sign my red can look different from your red. Thinking because of the limits of language at expression which is something the likes of Ludwig Wittgenstein wrote of which also falls into the former mentioned qualia as one factor in that.

Also keep in mind manga discussion tends to not be super active. So you aren't really seeing the full scope of views.
@traed I appreciate you replying respectfully to my comment, I never want a war to start in this forum. I kinda sat on your answer for a while, and I understand where you're coming from.

I said "the human experience" was the same, but I didn't mean that literally of course. I'm just saying that people all have emotions and feelings expressed in different ways. Cultures are different, but a person is still a person. I may not be wording it very well, and I apologize if it came off as rude or ignorant in some way.

While I disagree with your interpretation of the manga, I totally understand. My main qualms is that only a few comments on the entire forum even bothered understanding my opinion, and the rest acted like I was trying to mess with someone's beliefs. I don't need anyone to agree with me, but I want to understand where others are coming from, instead of being called a "radical leftist" who made the manga "political" (Edit: No one on this forum said it, but someone commented that on my profile, which ended up being the reason I was motivated to even reply after not intending to). I have no intentions of treating my opinion as fact, and there's no real confirmation by the author for my interpretation.

I just go off what I see in the text and story, and give out my thoughts. I guess I was just hoping that people would respectfully voice their opinions, that's all. I may say that a lot, but everyone has different views and beliefs. However it is no excuse to call being Trans as a "belief", as that is essentially the same thing as saying drinking water is a "belief". Being trans isn't something that can be erased or "cured", and that was my main point. You can't "convert" anyone's gender identity, it's just not possible.

I apologize if this sounds annoying in any way, but that's just how I interpret the work. I see it differently, but it isn't because of cultural ignorance and intolerant towards others. Believe me, I have to be tolerant to much worse things in real life, this is hardly an issue, and I ain't gonna be tolerant to someone who thinks "I'm pushing the trans agenda". Not here to convince anyone at all, I genuinely just enjoy discussing manga, and this one fascinated me due to what I expected versus what I got.

Overall, thanks for being understanding unlike some of the users on this forum.

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