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Sep 26, 12:37 AM
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So, I just find this very similar situation in Rosidere and Makeine but the way they handle each is very different and it's a perfect example of difference between main character and side character.
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Yeah but the last scene does not feel the same as other feelings in other scenes.
The story is very different but the emotions the writers wanted to capture are more or the same.
I guess your deduction is true.
Sep 26, 4:55 AM
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its not the same. their personalities are vastly different. not comparable at the least. similar sentiment is the only common thing.

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Sep 26, 5:02 AM
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Komari is more interesting than Alya, but Masachika is more interesting than Nukumizu.
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Sep 26, 7:00 AM
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Komari is more interesting than Alya, but Masachika is more interesting than Nukumizu.
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Masachika is more interesting than Nukumizu.


If intresting means acting like op edgy battle shounen mc in a romcom then yes.
Sep 26, 7:04 AM
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Masachika is more interesting than Nukumizu.


If intresting means acting like op edgy battle shounen mc in a romcom then yes.
@WaterMage Nah, it means not acting like a reserved goody two-shoes MC :P
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Thing is only part similar.

Maschasika was already in that debate as a helper to Alya he did his job.

Nukumizu had no right to barge in. Despite how sorry he feels and good intentions it's disrespect to Komari. Komari had every right to get made him.

It's difference of a very generic plot and an actual more realistic plot.
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@WaterMage Nah, it means not acting like a reserved goody two-shoes MC :P
@Zarutaku isn't this the exact same thing he did by helping Alya in the first place?
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@Zarutaku isn't this the exact same thing he did by helping Alya in the first place?
@WaterMage lol, he's doing that to rizz her up and even keeps major secrets from her like Yuki being his sister and not understanding Russian.
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All I see is a Well-mannered Russian schoolgirl VS Ungrateful drama queen Japanese schoolgirl



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@WaterMage lol, he's doing that to rizz her up and even keeps major secrets from her like Yuki being his sister and not understanding Russian.
@Zarutaku atleast you are more honest than Maschasika who for the entire season gave bs reason like "I see passion or something which Yuki doesn't have" lol..

But the show still tried to sell him as that goody reserved character (for first few episodes atleast) before doing complete 180 and revealing he can do everything easily.
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@Zarutaku atleast you are more honest than Maschasika who for the entire season gave bs reason like "I see passion or something which Yuki doesn't have" lol..

But the show still tried to sell him as that goody reserved character (for first few episodes atleast) before doing complete 180 and revealing he can do everything easily.
@WaterMage Masachika held Alya's foot and put on her stocking in the 1st episode already, I would hardly call that reserved.
Anyway Nukumizu is a good MC too, just not that interesting, Makeine was all about the girls so far.
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It's a different scene because in one case the crisis is ongoing and the dilemma is mostly the debate result, in the other scenario the crisis is over (she failed her speech, there's no reversing it) and the dilemma is the character's ability.

But I agree that certain characters have different mentalities that can be their strengths/flaws.
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ye i can see the comparison i like komari's one more tho hehe
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@WaterMage Nah, it means not acting like a reserved goody two-shoes MC :P
@Zarutaku ??????? That's literally exactly what Masachika is?
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Thing is only part similar.

Maschasika was already in that debate as a helper to Alya he did his job.

Nukumizu had no right to barge in. Despite how sorry he feels and good intentions it's disrespect to Komari. Komari had every right to get made him.

It's difference of a very generic plot and an actual more realistic plot.
@WaterMage Let's be honest. Komari was being stubborn out of a false sense of responsibility and pride, and tried to force herself to do something she clearly wasn't capable of doing (at least at that time). You can call it disrespectful or whatever, but Nukumizu did something that ultimately benefitted Komari and the lit club as a whole 👍🏾
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I liked the losing heroines version much more. No drama based on accusations or student council democracy.
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It isn't about being a side character or the main character; the similarity lies in their motives. Both Komari and Alya seek acceptance from others, albeit for different reasons. Komari wants to overcome her shyness to build the confidence necessary to step up as the club president, while Alya desires acceptance as one of their own as they (the students) view her as an outsider.
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@Zarutaku ??????? That's literally exactly what Masachika is?
@SkyhighCFC Nah, he's straightforward and also benefits from keeping major secrets from Alya, winning her over like a shrewd rizzler.
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@SkyhighCFC Nah, he's straightforward and also benefits from keeping major secrets from Alya, winning her over like a shrewd rizzler.
@Zarutaku Huh? How does that make him not a goody two shoes?

Also really? "Winning her over like a shrewd rizzler"??? Seriously? Have some shame man. This guy got rattled just by her using his first name and from her lightly teasing him on their little "date" in the last 2 episodes. He is NOT the guy you think he is 😂
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@Zarutaku Huh? How does that make him not a goody two shoes?

Also really? "Winning her over like a shrewd rizzler"??? Seriously? Have some shame man. This guy got rattled just by her using his first name and from her lightly teasing him on their little "date" in the last 2 episodes. He is NOT the guy you think he is 😂
@SkyhighCFC Goody two-shoes don't exploit secrets they keep from their love interest, he's well aware that his support for Alya is making her fall for him and he continues to make her fall even more, that's exactly what shrewd rizzlers do. Frist name embarrassment is just a silly and overused anime trope and almost everyone would become rattled if they got teased by a goddess like Alya.
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@SkyhighCFC Goody two-shoes don't exploit secrets they keep from their love interest, he's well aware that his support for Alya is making her fall for him and he continues to make her fall even more, that's exactly what shrewd rizzlers do. Frist name embarrassment is just a silly and overused anime trope and almost everyone would become rattled if they got teased by a goddess like Alya.
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Yea...ngl brev this is just cringe. He's keeping secrets from Alya for both his sister's sake and Alya's sake. The only reason he hasn't told her about him knowing Russian is so Alya doesn't get embarrassed. The only reason he hasn't told Alya about his sister is because nobody is supposed to know that they are siblings because of his grandfather. That was made pretty obvious...

This guy didn't even realize Alya could have potentially actually been into him until like episode 5. He is NOT a "rizzler" (so cringe btw 💀)

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Yea...ngl brev this is just cringe. He's keeping secrets from Alya for both his sister's sake and Alya's sake. The only reason he hasn't told her about him knowing Russian is so Alya doesn't get embarrassed. The only reason he hasn't told Alya about his sister is because nobody is supposed to know that they are siblings because of his grandfather. That was made pretty obvious...

This guy didn't even realize Alya could have potentially actually been into him until like episode 5. He is NOT a "rizzler" (so cringe btw 💀)

@SkyhighCFC If he didn't want to embarrass her, he could have told her about his Russian skills from the start, but he didn't.
There are others in their school who know that they are siblings and he knows that Alya is trustworthy enough to keep it a secret if he told her, but he didn't. He started to rizz her up like a brave knight in episode 3 and 4 already, that was made pretty obvious.
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@SkyhighCFC If he didn't want to embarrass her, he could have told her about his Russian skills from the start, but he didn't.
There are others in their school who know that they are siblings and he knows that Alya is trustworthy enough to keep it a secret if he told her, but he didn't. He started to rizz her up like a brave knight in episode 3 and 4 already, that was made pretty obvious.
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There are others in their school who know that they are siblings




False. Stop spreading disinformation to fit your narrative of the story.
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@Zarutaku Huh? How does that make him not a goody two shoes?

Also really? "Winning her over like a shrewd rizzler"??? Seriously? Have some shame man. This guy got rattled just by her using his first name and from her lightly teasing him on their little "date" in the last 2 episodes. He is NOT the guy you think he is 😂
@SkyhighCFC Bro heavily underestimates Masachika, lol. Watch him become the best romcom male lead once S2 airs. Bro will become Ayanokoji.
“𝖨𝖿 𝗅𝗂𝖿𝖾 𝗐𝖾𝗋𝖾 𝗉𝗋𝖾𝖽𝗂𝖼𝗍𝖺𝖻𝗅𝖾, 𝗂𝗍 𝗐𝗈𝗎𝗅𝖽 𝖼𝖾𝖺𝗌𝖾 𝗍𝗈 𝖻𝖾 𝗅𝗂𝖿𝖾 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝖻𝖾 𝗐𝗂𝗍𝗁𝗈𝗎𝗍 𝖿𝗅𝖺𝗏𝗈𝗋.” – 𝖤𝗅𝖾𝖺𝗇𝗈𝗋 𝖱𝗈𝗈𝗌𝖾𝗏𝖾𝗅𝗍
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@SkyhighCFC If he didn't want to embarrass her, he could have told her about his Russian skills from the start, but he didn't.
There are others in their school who know that they are siblings and he knows that Alya is trustworthy enough to keep it a secret if he told her, but he didn't. He started to rizz her up like a brave knight in episode 3 and 4 already, that was made pretty obvious.
@Zarutaku WHO in the school knows they are siblings? Don't try to lie. Secondly, he quite literally admitted to himself in the anime that if he reveals he can speak Russian it would embarrass Alya and he doesn't want to do that. He lost the opportunity to reveal it before she could be embarrassed. Stop this cringe "rizzler" gimmick. Masachika is just a normal guy and that's okay!
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@SkyhighCFC Bro heavily underestimates Masachika, lol. Watch him become the best romcom male lead once S2 airs. Bro will become Ayanokoji.
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Bro will become Ayanokoji.


Saying this like it's a good thing...

Ayanokoji is a broken individual that can't form proper connections with people without having some agenda in mind. That is NOT something desirable.

I'm not even saying Masachika is a bad romance MC. Imo he is a good one. But let's not lie that he's one of these cringe edgy characters that little boys like because they think being a manipulative POS is cool.
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There are others in their school who know that they are siblings




False. Stop spreading disinformation to fit your narrative of the story.
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WHO in the school knows they are siblings?

@aurora_yuuki Ayano knows for sure, also had the impression that Taniyama knows, but not sure anymore.
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Stop this cringe "rizzler" gimmick. Masachika is just a normal guy and that's okay!

So you didn't rewatch all the scenes where he used his rizz to score points? Okay then, he didn't make Alya fall for him and he's just a normal guy...
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WHO in the school knows they are siblings?

@aurora_yuuki Ayano knows for sure, also had the impression that Taniyama knows, but not sure anymore.
@Zarutaku Mans said Ayano uno...have some shame lad. SHE LITERALLY LIVES WITH YUKI 😭😭😭😭😭

And how did you get the impression Taniyama knows? She doesn't know anything about them other than the fact they ran together.
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Stop this cringe "rizzler" gimmick. Masachika is just a normal guy and that's okay!

So you didn't rewatch all the scenes where he used his rizz to score points? Okay then, he didn't make Alya fall for him and he's just a normal guy...
@Zarutaku No, he did not intentionally try to make Alya fall for him. How you even got this idea I'll never understand. If he was intentionally doing it like you're claiming then why are they not a couple right now, considering it should be obvious that she likes him at this point? And why does he get rattled when Alya gives him the slightest bit of heat on a date? 🤣
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@Zarutaku No, he did not intentionally try to make Alya fall for him. How you even got this idea I'll never understand. If he was intentionally doing it like you're claiming then why are they not a couple right now, considering it should be obvious that she likes him at this point? And why does he get rattled when Alya gives him the slightest bit of heat on a date? 🤣
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No, he did not intentionally try to make Alya fall for him.
How could he do it unintentionally when he's aware that she's falling for him from her Russian remarks? Seems out of the question.

SkyhighCFC said:
why are they not a couple right now
Good things take time, they also were busy with class and election stuff, doesn't seem like the right time yet.

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why does he get rattled when Alya gives him the slightest bit of heat on a date?
Because he's not immune to her charm? Besides, they both get rattled, it's just a common romance trope.
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No, he did not intentionally try to make Alya fall for him.
How could he do it unintentionally when he's aware that she's falling for him from her Russian remarks? Seems out of the question.

SkyhighCFC said:
why are they not a couple right now
Good things take time, they also were busy with class and election stuff, doesn't seem like the right time yet.

SkyhighCFC said:
why does he get rattled when Alya gives him the slightest bit of heat on a date?
Because he's not immune to her charm? Besides, they both get rattled, it's just a common romance trope.
@Zarutaku @SkyhighCFC Enough said. Time for a little spoiler, you two.


At the end of Episode 4 of Season 2, Masachika will realize and acknowledge Alya's feelings for him. It would be just so obvious that he cannot but acknowledge it based on Alya's emotions and actions.


From Masachika's monologue, us audience got to learn that he had always known about her having feelings for him. But he pretended not to see, he didn't want to believe that she could actually fall for him. He would always throw a tsukkomi to avoid expressing his true feelings (This is S1 Masachika), so that no one has to see him being vulnerable. All those thoughts stemmed from his sense of self-hatred.



Well, after he found out, the way he acted around her somewhat changed. And now, in V9, Alya refuses to let go of holding hands with Masachika even in front of his family.
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No, he did not intentionally try to make Alya fall for him.
How could he do it unintentionally when he's aware that she's falling for him from her Russian remarks? Seems out of the question.

SkyhighCFC said:
why are they not a couple right now
Good things take time, they also were busy with class and election stuff, doesn't seem like the right time yet.

SkyhighCFC said:
why does he get rattled when Alya gives him the slightest bit of heat on a date?
Because he's not immune to her charm? Besides, they both get rattled, it's just a common romance trope.
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How could he do it unintentionally when he's aware that she's falling for him from her Russian remarks? Seems out of the question.


It's almost like you aren't even watching the show. He was literally not even aware that she might have been serious about those Russian remarks until around the midway point of the series. He quite literally said he just thought she was doing light flirting to mess with him after she essentially confessed to him in Russian. Also even if he wasn't as dense as a box of rocks and realized much sooner...how does that imply her falling for him was something he intended? Has he done anything with an innate intention to make her fall for him? The answer is an obvious no. He was just being a good person. Being a good person and helping a friend isn't "rizzing" my guy...

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Good things take time, they also were busy with class and election stuff, doesn't seem like the right time yet.


If he was intentionally trying to get her to fall for him, he should have known since episode 1 that she genuinely likes him and they should have been a couple even before all this student council stuff. Awful excuse.

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Because he's not immune to her charm? Besides, they both get rattled, it's just a common romance trope.


If he was as much of a "rizzler" as you claim he wouldn't be getting rattled by anything Alya says or does, because it's obvious how inexperienced Alya is with romantic situations like this. He would certainly not be losing composure over her using his first name. "He's not immune to her charm" is just another way of saying "he's not that guy and can't handle a bit of light flirting from a conventionally attractive girl".
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@Zarutaku @SkyhighCFC Enough said. Time for a little spoiler, you two.


At the end of Episode 4 of Season 2, Masachika will realize and acknowledge Alya's feelings for him. It would be just so obvious that he cannot but acknowledge it based on Alya's emotions and actions.


From Masachika's monologue, us audience got to learn that he had always known about her having feelings for him. But he pretended not to see, he didn't want to believe that she could actually fall for him. He would always throw a tsukkomi to avoid expressing his true feelings (This is S1 Masachika), so that no one has to see him being vulnerable. All those thoughts stemmed from his sense of self-hatred.



Well, after he found out, the way he acted around her somewhat changed. And now, in V9, Alya refuses to let go of holding hands with Masachika even in front of his family.
@aurora_yuuki I mean...fair enough. That still doesn't support their claim that Masachika is some rizzler. He's just a good dude like I said before
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@aurora_yuuki I mean...fair enough. That still doesn't support their claim that Masachika is some rizzler. He's just a good dude like I said before
@SkyhighCFC Good, because Masachika never had the intent to "rizz" someone. Bro isn't some wannabe womanizer like @Zarutaku's description of him claims to be. Bro has his own set of worries and hardships in life that he has to sort out.
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Zarutaku said:
How could he do it unintentionally when he's aware that she's falling for him from her Russian remarks? Seems out of the question.


It's almost like you aren't even watching the show. He was literally not even aware that she might have been serious about those Russian remarks until around the midway point of the series. He quite literally said he just thought she was doing light flirting to mess with him after she essentially confessed to him in Russian. Also even if he wasn't as dense as a box of rocks and realized much sooner...how does that imply her falling for him was something he intended? Has he done anything with an innate intention to make her fall for him? The answer is an obvious no. He was just being a good person. Being a good person and helping a friend isn't "rizzing" my guy...

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Good things take time, they also were busy with class and election stuff, doesn't seem like the right time yet.


If he was intentionally trying to get her to fall for him, he should have known since episode 1 that she genuinely likes him and they should have been a couple even before all this student council stuff. Awful excuse.

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Because he's not immune to her charm? Besides, they both get rattled, it's just a common romance trope.


If he was as much of a "rizzler" as you claim he wouldn't be getting rattled by anything Alya says or does, because it's obvious how inexperienced Alya is with romantic situations like this. He would certainly not be losing composure over her using his first name. "He's not immune to her charm" is just another way of saying "he's not that guy and can't handle a bit of light flirting from a conventionally attractive girl".
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That still doesn't support their claim that Masachika is some rizzler. He's just a good dude like I said before

Masachika isn't that dense and how's helping her mutually exclusive with using his rizz in brave acts of support that made her fall for him?
Even if that wasn't his innate intention, he still rizzed her up that way. Even though he pretended to not see it, he still was aware of it and kept going.
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@Zarutaku @SkyhighCFC Enough said. Time for a little spoiler, you two.


At the end of Episode 4 of Season 2, Masachika will realize and acknowledge Alya's feelings for him. It would be just so obvious that he cannot but acknowledge it based on Alya's emotions and actions.


From Masachika's monologue, us audience got to learn that he had always known about her having feelings for him. But he pretended not to see, he didn't want to believe that she could actually fall for him. He would always throw a tsukkomi to avoid expressing his true feelings (This is S1 Masachika), so that no one has to see him being vulnerable. All those thoughts stemmed from his sense of self-hatred.



Well, after he found out, the way he acted around her somewhat changed. And now, in V9, Alya refuses to let go of holding hands with Masachika even in front of his family.
@Zarutaku @SkyhighCFC C'mon, dawgs. I already belabored why Masachika was never intending on making Alya for him by even quoting from the LN. He never took himself to be worthy of being liked by anyone, let alone by the likes of Alya.



Why y'all still goin' about this?
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@Zarutaku @SkyhighCFC C'mon, dawgs. I already belabored why Masachika was never intending on making Alya for him by even quoting from the LN. He never took himself to be worthy of being liked by anyone, let alone by the likes of Alya.



Why y'all still goin' about this?
@aurora_yuuki ??? I literally didn't say anything after I said fair enough. Why you bringing me back into something that was alr dead?
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@Zarutaku @SkyhighCFC C'mon, dawgs. I already belabored why Masachika was never intending on making Alya for him by even quoting from the LN. He never took himself to be worthy of being liked by anyone, let alone by the likes of Alya.



Why y'all still goin' about this?
aurora_yuuki said:
I already belabored why Masachika was never intending on making Alya for him by even quoting from the LN. He never took himself to be worthy of being liked by anyone, let alone by the likes of Alya. Why y'all still goin' about this?

The debate was already dead, but I can reaffirm that I still think he rizzed her up with his actions, even if it wasn't his intention and even if he pretended to not see it and not be worthy, he still noticed that she's falling for him and he continued.
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