Mushoku Tensei II: Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu Part 2 Episode 11 Discussion

@rasterman7 It's less of him telling Roxy but more of implying 'through a story', rather than himself admitting it directly. The anime at least did show a little bit of Rudeus leaking out his past a bit with Roxy but through him yelling when he was talking about how he thought he was starting over, which had some implications of itself that didn't necessarily correlate to Paul and Zenith.

@rasterman7 this how rudy tell about his past life to roxy:

Covering my bottom half with a blanket, I continued to talk.
"This is just a made-up story..."
With that introduction,
I began to talk.
A story of a certain man.
As a fiction to the end.
A man who secluded himself when bad things happened to
him when he was young.
He was close to twenty years old, and lived like trash while
leeching off of his parents.
However, one day, his parents had suddenly died.
That man not only did not go to the funeral, but on the
contrary did the worst thing a human being can do.
Seeing that, his other family members beat him up and
threw him out of the house.
The man had lost everything, but luck brought him to a new
land, and he turned over a new leaf, and devoted himself to
change for the better.

His lifestyle was going well, and he thought that he would
be happy if things kept like this.
But, currently right now, because of a big failure, he let a
person important to him die.
Because of that, that man remembered his parents deaths.
That man only then had mourned his parents' deaths.
I told that kind of story.
The more I talked about this, it felt my heart was spewing
out pus.
I wonder if I just wanted someone to hear this.
Was it something that easy, I wonder?
"..."
Roxy listened quietly.
Not cutting in with agreement, just silently listening.
"What do you think that man should do?"
"..."
Roxy remained silent.
She might not know how to respond when being told such a
story all of a sudden.
There would be no way that she would believe that this was
a story of my life.
She is a wise person, so she may think that there is a
hidden meaning to it.

"...If it was me, I would go to my parents' graves. I don't
think it's too late even now. The same with talking to the
other family members."
"But, the graves and the family members are far away, and
he can't easily go to them. He may also be unable to return.
That man has another life, he made a family in the new
land, and he cherishes them dearly."
"He can't go back?"
"Yes. In the first place, the possibility that he can't go back
is quite high."
Roxy again became silent at that.
But, this time it was short.
"In that case, there's nothing to be done. Now, he should
take care of the family that's in front of him."
Roxy's words were awfully cliché.
They were words anybody could come up with and say.
It wasn't special or anything, just something that was
obvious.
"Even Paul would have wished for you to do so, Rudi."
Roxy said something obvious in a matter-of-fact way.
Self-flattering.
Commonplace words.
Words that she heard from somewhere.
"Please face the future. Everybody is waiting for you."
But, my heart felt refreshed.

Yeah.
It was common.
The death of my parents in my previous life, and Paul's
death as well.
This was something obvious.
There is no choice but to accept that and face forward.
I am living in this world.
And I will continue to live in this world.
Paul's death, and Zenith that became a cripple.
The anxiety of going back and telling that to my waiting
family in the north.
The anxiety of not knowing what to do now.
It was a future full of anxiety.
But, I mustn't run away.
I have no choice but to solve what's in front of me right
now.
Though I do not know specifically what I should do.
I have no choice but to solve them one by one.
Coming to this world, hadn't I already decided?
That in this world, I will live it to the fullest.
Then, I must not turn my eyes away.
No matter what kind of difficulties occur from now on, I will
overcome them.

It's no good if I don't at least that.
Yes, I've realized once again.
Though realizing that, it's not like the pain subsided.
However, I felt that I broke out of something.
"Sensei."
"Yes."
"Thank you very much."
Again, Roxy has rescued me.
Even giving thanks would not be enough.

Boy I sure do love judging a show while clearly misunderstanding the logic and lore that surrounds the events that took place in it.


So let’s start with the basics: We have CLEARLY established several times over that polygamy is a more normalized concept in this fantasy setting. In fact as Elinalise points out (in a conversation that many of you clearly didn’t pay attention to at all,) Monogamy is moreso in the minority only notably being practiced by whatever religious group Cliff is part of. And even beyond that considering this is a fantasy setting and even just in general in our modern world, Polygamy is a thing. It exists. It’s a perfectly acceptably form of love.

People clearly also seem to have already forgotten Paul’s sword metaphor (which again was reiterated by Elinalise in a more direct manner). He loved Zenith and Lilia. He loved them both equally. Both of them has their roles in his life and neither one was superior to the other to him. Knowing that Rudeus was HIS son, he knew there was at least a possibility that he would make the same youthful mistakes that he did, so he tried to guide him to the most morally correct path he could specifically so that Rudeus would do what was best for everyone involved.

Now let’s talk about Roxy and Rudeus’ involvement in this situation. Roxy is absolutely the one “at fault” here. She came on to Rudeus with full knowledge that he was married and had a child on the way. Did he do anything to stop her? No, but he was also in an extremely vulnerable state. A state where his past self REALLY started to come out through his current voice. Hell, he looked like he was about to have a whole fucking breakdown. Roxy was 100% in control of that situation. Now sure, after that, Rudeus didn’t exactly make things right immediately, but he was genuinely conflicted about the whole situation. He genuinely idolized Roxy and so you can’t really blame him for being conflicted and confused in this situation, especially with how volatile his emotions already were. But in the end as we saw he decided that he needed to stay true to Sylphie, which is a decision that people seem to be overlooking. Rudeus, on his own, was like “hey, I made a promise and I’m sticking to it.” Which was a genuinely respectable decision for Rudeus here. Elinalise is the one who convinced him to make the decision to accept Roxy. And I see a bunch of people talking about how they cut a bit where she lied to Rudeus and said Roxy was pregnant which led him to making the decision to propose? Honestly I’m glad that was cut. In my opinion that’s a shitty move on Elinalise’s part. In this version, the decision is made solely by Rudeus weighing the consequences of his actions and his own ability to make everyone happy in this situation. I think him coming to this conclusion solely on his own (that is, without basically being guilted into it) is far better writing than him feeling the need to take responsibility for something that, again, was done 100% by Roxy.

Is Sylphie gonna be upset initially? Definitely, as she has every right to be, just as Zenith was. But again, as Elinalise pointed out, Zenith wasn’t miserable at all once Paul married Lilia. The three of them had a wonderful life together until the Mass Teleportation. Rudeus, Sylphie, and Roxy will surely be able to do the same.


TL;DR: Please actually watch/understand what happens in an episode/a show in general before making yourself look like an idiot in a public forum

Boy I sure do love judging a show while clearly misunderstanding the logic and lore that surrounds the events that took place in it.


So let’s start with the basics: We have CLEARLY established several times over that polygamy is a more normalized concept in this fantasy setting. In fact as Elinalise points out (in a conversation that many of you clearly didn’t pay attention to at all,) Monogamy is moreso in the minority only notably being practiced by whatever religious group Cliff is part of. And even beyond that considering this is a fantasy setting and even just in general in our modern world, Polygamy is a thing. It exists. It’s a perfectly acceptably form of love.

People clearly also seem to have already forgotten Paul’s sword metaphor (which again was reiterated by Elinalise in a more direct manner). He loved Zenith and Lilia. He loved them both equally. Both of them has their roles in his life and neither one was superior to the other to him. Knowing that Rudeus was HIS son, he knew there was at least a possibility that he would make the same youthful mistakes that he did, so he tried to guide him to the most morally correct path he could specifically so that Rudeus would do what was best for everyone involved.

Now let’s talk about Roxy and Rudeus’ involvement in this situation. Roxy is absolutely the one “at fault” here. She came on to Rudeus with full knowledge that he was married and had a child on the way. Did he do anything to stop her? No, but he was also in an extremely vulnerable state. A state where his past self REALLY started to come out through his current voice. Hell, he looked like he was about to have a whole fucking breakdown. Roxy was 100% in control of that situation. Now sure, after that, Rudeus didn’t exactly make things right immediately, but he was genuinely conflicted about the whole situation. He genuinely idolized Roxy and so you can’t really blame him for being conflicted and confused in this situation, especially with how volatile his emotions already were. But in the end as we saw he decided that he needed to stay true to Sylphie, which is a decision that people seem to be overlooking. Rudeus, on his own, was like “hey, I made a promise and I’m sticking to it.” Which was a genuinely respectable decision for Rudeus here. Elinalise is the one who convinced him to make the decision to accept Roxy. And I see a bunch of people talking about how they cut a bit where she lied to Rudeus and said Roxy was pregnant which led him to making the decision to propose? Honestly I’m glad that was cut. In my opinion that’s a shitty move on Elinalise’s part. In this version, the decision is made solely by Rudeus weighing the consequences of his actions and his own ability to make everyone happy in this situation. I think him coming to this conclusion solely on his own (that is, without basically being guilted into it) is far better writing than him feeling the need to take responsibility for something that, again, was done 100% by Roxy.

Is Sylphie gonna be upset initially? Definitely, as she has every right to be, just as Zenith was. But again, as Elinalise pointed out, Zenith wasn’t miserable at all once Paul married Lilia. The three of them had a wonderful life together until the Mass Teleportation. Rudeus, Sylphie, and Roxy will surely be able to do the same.


TL;DR: Please actually watch/understand what happens in an episode/a show in general before making yourself look like an idiot in a public forum

Why would you feel I’m being sarcastic literally nothing about my comment gave that .

It was a superb episode to me, I only have one nitpick,but I will leave that for the end.
No OP was great (but they should have gotten rid of the ED too), I reread this part of the LN after last episode, so I think for the most part, the essentials were adapted, properly, tastefully, and I liked the usage of the soundtrack.

Endearing to see Roxy blush near the end when he proposes for her to be called with his last name, and then finalizing with that love confession to her, perfect!

Two in the bag, and now YES, anime onlies, your suspicions are right, Rudeous will have more than one wife, and why bother stopped when the best girl Eris has yet to show her goods?!
And to anyone bitching, later on in the series you will LOVE the dynamics due to this, so bitch now, aware that someone could take your words and make you eat them later on!
So stop bitching and just enjoy fiction for what it is, your morals SUCK anyway.


The first isn't really a major problem, that scene you mentionated was very short in the LN too, in my memory I recalled there being more stuff before Roxy goes into attack mode, but then there wasn't that much, outside what you said, and the LN showing Rudy was still in depression and that Roxy could see WARNING signs (which she explains to him at the mid point of the episode anyway). You could say they skipped Elinalise giving him the impression that Roxy was pregnant, and I say, fuck that, to me it is more tasteful like this, no excuses, he loves her, so time to welcome GOD in your home already!

Now I do agree with your second, and that is my nitpick, he does goes to length to say that, but tbh, that scene was very disappointing in the LN cuz at the end of the deed, Roxy still feels like that is not him, and it is just his wild imagination or something, UNLIKE Eris scene in volume 15, where ....
That is totally different, so it is a nitpick, but then again, zero impact for me in the scene they skipped.

I have less problems with this episode than the last, being the last was way more demanding episode to get right, they did not fuck up here (they only keep fucking Rudeous face, cuz he is meant to look way more mature than his current face does, hopefully S3 will improve on that).
Pleased with this adaptation.


It is, and I always felt it was a shallow excuse to get him to bend to the idea, so I have very little problems with it, it was not essential, the episode flowed really well and made sense to me with everything.
I expected us to have less Rudeous monologues, but we got enough I feel.


And you truly believe that? IMO what happened is, someone had to save him, Roxy was very aware, like she mentions later, so she did what she felt was needed to save him, morals aside.
And that did help him a lot especially because he truly loved her, what comes after is she sticking to his side, to help him since he lost an hand, and in the process she enjoying his close company while she can.
To me it is not as black and white as she took opportunity and explored his weakness, if anything this make Roxy a more humane person, she was adorable this episode.


Would not have worked, the anime skipped it, but the LN showed people trying to cheer Rudeous up, nothing was working, and notice that Roxy tried that too, and Rudeous way still running way, till she grab hold of his hand and pinned him down with that kiss.
WOULDNT have worked other way, Rudeous was not only facing the loss of Paul, but also of Zenith, and realizing how he behaved when his parents died, and wishing it had been different.


I feel you are being ironic, otherwise, I would say, all is fair as long as he can love them all, and it is clear that Rudeous has enough love for all them special ladies~~

Ignore them, what was cut for the most part had no chance in what was going to happen, this was a really solid adaptation of the core stuff, and I reread this part in anticipation, very pleased, and I was bitching a bit about the last episode, with the soundtrack, it was perfect this time.



They cut stuff, but keep the essentials, IMO they should have gotten rid of the ED to put some extra scenes into it, but what we had was more than enough.

1. What they keep was enough, he did say he didn't feel has Paul's soon, but if felt Paul was his father truly, after everything.
2 & 4. Already addressed it.
3. Nothing of the sort exists in the LN, I gone and check, but I recall that there had to be a scene like that too, and I read the WN version well before, so my guess is this was CUT from the LN, so there was nothing skipped here.
What Roxy says is that when they gone drinking, she heard them talking that sex was great to get a man back from a depression like that, nothing else, and Roxy felt she had to be the one doing it, since no one else was gonna do anything, and she seen the signs that Rudy would NOT recover well from this.

A LOT that could be skipped was skipped, I could be overdemading and wish they adapted it all, but realize they only have 1 more episode left, you would still have problem if there was no ED, there is no way they could include it all.
What was done here was tasteful and essential, vs the fucking desert scenes that they cut almost everything, this was great, they choose well in what they had to adapt, and if Part 2 was to be 13 episodes long, I would have preferred a full episode solely focused on the desert.


Alas we have to be forced to the limitations of broadcasting airings.
It would be amazing if BDs nowadays where used to actually add such content, and maybe have 2-3 extra episodes of cut content slotted in, would be an actual proper excuse to demand such a price from them.

I think this episode will make or break a lot of people who watch this show. We will see how many people are cool with the taking multiple wives aspect that the story is introducing. We can see Rudy is in a dark place when this episode begins. Following the sacrifice that Paul made giving up his life to save Rudy its understandable that he's not mentally well. He's even been wearing the same bloody clothes from the hydra battle. Rudy has been stuck like this for days, everyone except Roxy has left him to his own devices. Roxy seeing how in despair Rudy has become makes her move. Offering herself to try and make him feel better. Its a noble effort even if we know that won't cure his anguish and its also detrimental to his current marriage. Rudy succumbing to Roxy advances as she takes control for the night. This leaves them both in an awkward spot. Rudy is still trying to understand his grief for losing Paul and now he's conflicted on loving two women at the same time. He does good though shoving down his feelings for Roxy since he made the promise to be faithful to Sylphie. But we can see how much its tearing them both up inside. Elinalise introducing the idea that Rudy marry Roxy too just like he did Sylphie. Its sweet but hinges on if Sylphie approves. There's a lot of strong emotions being swirled around here that could go in any number of directions. We'll have to see how everyone back home reacts to all these changes.

I mean I don’t know what kind of sources the author was taking into reference when he started writing this thing.. whenever he did, but I really hope those articles emphasizing the fact that “SEX CAN CURE DEPRESSION OR IT CAN HEAL PEOPLE, PHYSICALLY OR MENTALLY”, weren’t one of those. I don’t want to blame those articles after all.

As I mean, where or when in the world has it been stated that to mourn or get over the deaths of your loved ones, the first thing you should do is go and have sex????? Lmaooo, of 1000 ways to convince someone that someone else is suffering, we went down the brazzers way? Lol. Roxy and her reasons aside, I kind of really don’t agree with her way of “helping” here. Anyway, curing your mother or feeling low after your father’s death can go to hell, let’s settle up the marriage thing first… second one:)

I haven’t read past volume 9, but ofc this was all over twitter leading up to this episode so I knew what was coming to a certain extent

@rasterman7 A LOT, i think i can make 1 hour video about the content they cut it, i will summary it for you

1. They cut Rudy Monolog about Paul and his past parent : this ecplain how rudy saw paul and zenith and solve about the problem on last episode when people complain about rudy didnt care about zenith
2. They skip about elinalise tell rudy roxy pregnant
3. they skip party chatter about rudy depression and how elinalise tell roxy about rudy married her grand daughter
4. Rudy tell roxy about his past life before get isekai ,and ask how deal it with this situation

and A lotttt

Well I don’t really like being spoiled but I get what you mean lol, although I think even if I came across a big spoiler for later down the line I would still be excited to watch the series because at the end of the day it is Mushoku Tensei and it’s just too much fun

where is that guy who said that the next 2 episodes will be sadder or something like that?

after due consideration thius episode was complete utter ass

after due consideration thius episode was complete utter ass

@TheColonel76 And even when you know them spoilers, there is just this fun and harm inside seeing them.
Which is why it hurts to think how long it would take to adapt the LN.

He adressing it was skipped, but you know the Dillo near the end, you just don't see his face well.


They have more than enough time to cover the essentials.
Still the epub has like 241 pages for this volume with a certain word size, this is how it has gone:
This episode, 152-193 pages.
Episode 10, 116-151 pages.
Episode 12, will have to adapt 194-236/237 pages.

No matter what, people will always find a problem.

I have to think what people would think when Rezero S1 adapted 9 volumes in 26eps, and this one is doing 6 volumes in 24.
To its credit, S2 of Rezero was slower paced, and each episode was way longer, how I wish Bind and this director had balls to make way longer episodes.


you hyping that threesome, a man of culture indeed.


@3anter I said it was gonna be sad and emotional, and it was, especially the start, and next episode, OH BOY...

@SleepingNinja15
There is nothing to feel bad about, she herself doesn't, having more wives is only a positive in this family, besides, I m still waiting for that RGB combo.