D.Gray-man Chapter 251 Discussion

@Illyricus

my nick gurr
we just got major lore drop
and just getting right to the plot reveals
dream isnt dead

@Mei-o_Scarlett At least wait till a proper translation is done before making a thread lol.

@Illyricus nah pls
starkbot method all the way
read off shoot tls of the raw

My brother Lavi mentionned and biggest mystery of DGM actually going to be revealed in a fresh new FB with a major character just introduced. Nah, we've won!
(also I'm not a fan of it, but can't shake the feeling that the poison was inspired by Dune)

@Sw3at This is likely all we'll see of Lavi for a while lol.

@Illyricus It's been more than ten years since he sat on this chair... It's okay, at least it's confirmed he'll come back for everyone who doubted his importance (the scar at the right eye and the earrings of the new guy makes me think of Lavi so I'm curious of how much related they are... We know they're from the same clan but Lavi has an eyepatch to his right eye not due to an injury but hiding something, so I wonder if he could not have the same mystery as Allen... Being rejuvinated without his memories because those were dangerous to them or for others).

We have new intel with which we can speculate again... Anything is possible with DGM because it both has religion elements and space-time distorsions involved... Dreams and ambiguity between life and death...

@Sw3at I figured out Lavi would appear after the Mana flashback arc, but it's nice to see him being hinted again in the story. I hope I can see him and Lenalee again before the manga ends :(

@Illyricus I'm hopeful with seeing everyone. I mean don't forget that Kanda went back to the Order... Lenalee (and in some capacity Komui too) is an ally he may find there

Okay so thy was way too much information to swallow, at least a lot of stuff have become clearer. Now we know what Bookman has to do with the mansion and who is the glasses guy that we saw in Nea’s flashbacks, and damn the whole Zoatle things is a serious add the Bookman clanks mythos and the world building it brings to the series. We now know for sure that Apocryphos has indeed been messing with him for far longer than we expected. And quick thoughts on the last chapter,it was phenomenal seeing Apocryphos being interrogated by the Noah’s, which also confirmed Allen is not the heart! And Mana being alive was a given, but it all makes me more curious about how the whole curse and him dying thing worked.

@Didi6970

Can you explain me the facts from one point to another? who is alive? Mana, how? (I really dont get it xd)

@Pandazwei Basically, from what we know, Mana is and always was the Millenium Earl, he had just forgotten about it, either due to the battle with Nea 15 years ago or through that flashback where he destroys his own face( I would bet the latter is the result of the former) this led to him changing appearances to the old man we see in Allen’s flashbacks and going around looking for Mana, then he meets Allen and in an attempt to kill the Earl, Apocryphos awakens Allen’s innocence, from what is implied in these chapters Apocryphos has been “nurturing”(I think grooming could also be a good expression to describe it) Allen since a good while for him to become the ultimate weapon of the heart, making him go Berserk and almost exorcising Mana( which would kill the Earl), but then Mana is “saved” by what it seems to be the Earl’s suit or exterior, with Cross even pointing out that without Mana that thing is an empty husk, I think that might be Mana’s unused powers manifesting themselves but we are not sure, after Mana escapes this whole ordeal he has his memory erased again and then he and Allen start traveling together, but the effects of the attempted exorcism makes him weaken slowly until he apparently passes away, but then comes the really grey point in the story where somehow Mana becomes an Akuma, which is not possible since he is the Earl itself, but that aside, the reason Kanda and Tiedoll are surprised when they find the grave of Mana empty, is because Allen told the story from his perspective to them, thus neither he or them as a result could know Mana is the Earl, that’s why for us, who know that and have seen the Earl is around and using Mana’s old man body, that was a probable given, but still, it’s still mysterious how this whole thing went down, we know for a fact that Mana, aka the Earl, was growing weak and eventually died due to the attempted exorcism, but then how is he okay nowadays walking around and fully knowing that he is the Earl and having his full power? Using the suit and all. The lack of memories the Earl has from his period as Mana probably came from this attempted exorcism, at least that is solved, but how about the fact Mana became an Akuma that cursed Allen? An Akuma that was exorcised too, and how exactly does this body-suit dynamic works and how was the body dig up from the grave, seemingly without leaving any traces? That’s the point where we stand, please ask if I left anything still confusing, this is a very dense plot line and the quarterly releases really don’t help following it.

@Didi6970 OH I more or less get it. But that scene when we see the earl, allen and the akuma mana together, can that be a flashback which isnt real, but we were just shown that part as allen remembers it? And In one of the chapters I remember reading, but my memoriers are foggy, that Mana and Nea was also one person/personality, but after the earl had a period when he went berserk and as a result he had his personality or even himself split as a person or Nea (the 14th) was a completly different person? One more (actually more) thing I dont get. It was said in the previous chapter that Apocryphos might have been messing around with Allen (might be in order to make him the perfect human-made innocence) but how he was alive 35 years ago? The part we know when allen made mana an Akuma was around 10 years ago or so. What are those blank years? They made him a vessel for the 14th, dont know how tho, implanted his memories and personailty into him? Also just an another way to defeat the Earl?