The Crime that is Uryu Ishida Character *Spoilers

Igi2137 said:
Spoiler tag? What is this

ShamankinguYoh said:
Here’s what happened with Bleach. Once the shinigami characters got introduced into the series, the entire original main cast (save for Ichigo) got sidelined into obscurity and character assassination. The shinigami cast was far too popular to waste time on the other characters. The greater problem here is there were too many of those characters too, so many of them also got sidelined in favor of the most popular ones. Kubo was constantly working with dozens of characters all the time since soul society started. This left many character relationships and storylines in the series underdeveloped, poorly written, and just forgotten. Uryu is probably the worst offender. His character was completely wasted by Kubo because I guess Kenpachi needed another fight scene.

CorLeonis-_- said:

This. I love bleach, by far my favorite anime and manga but everything has its flaws and this is a big one for bleach. Hell forget the original main cast, even important soul reapers down the stretch were either underutilized or turned into basic fodder to allow the stronger (or more popular) characters to shine. It really is the struggle of having such a large cast of characters that you can’t just leave out all together, so it does lead to some characters feeling underserved by the end.

ShamankinguYoh said:

I have a lot of problems with this series and this is probably chief on my list and why I consider it one of the worst shonen out there. Kubo started off everything fairly strong in the first two arcs, then everything fell apart. Some of the worst character writing out there. I hate that the series quickly devolved into a popularity contest where the most popular characters got screentime instead of the characters that needed it. I won’t spoil it, but certain scenes and fights happen later, and I’m sitting here like, why should I care? What significance has this character ever had? You waited until the series is almost over to show me some boring backstory for a character I have no reason to care about. It’s very telling that Unohana just died last season and no one even remembers her. The series spent no time developing that plot. It just suddenly happens, she dies and it’s over. Story does not progress the series. Not even characters progress the series. Kubo simply had an obligation to show off as many of the popular characters’ powers and abilities as possible, so he contrived ridiculous scenarios (Quincies were somehow hiding in the shadows of SS for a thousand years doing nothing but waiting around) where this could happen instead of actually writing a story or developing characters. It’s just so bad. Kubo is a great character designer and not much else.

CorLeonis-_- said:

Eh I disagree with a lot of this but totally respect your views/opinion. I do agree that the flaw with Bleach’s characters derives heavily from public influence, for example seemingly killing Byakuya just for him to show up some 20 chapters later because people love him and complained. Many of my issues with the story of Bleach come from TYBW, I thought the main story leading up to it was fairly well written, not perfect but no story is. I think Kubo did his best with such a large cast of characters, there were obviously glaring examples (Ishida) but at the end of the day, Bleach is a pretty simple-minded battle Shonen I think the story is well written for what it is.

In terms of TYBW, I feel that the first part of the story is well written and don’t have much issue with where the Quincies come from or why they come back at that time. I feel as tho it is well explained and the history between soul reapers and Quincy is well documented in the story. I think Everything but the Rain is a fantastic piece of writing, maybe one of Bleach’s strongest imo. So I disagree with you about the story of the first half, aside from some character assassinations/underutilizations here and there. Without spoiling anyone, I do agree with your assessment when it comes to the second half of the arc, the storytelling definitely gets far lazier and everything happens for hype/to shine a spotlight on popular characters. It’s a shame, but I think Kubo is a talented mangaka who was heavily pressured to conclude TYBW in timely fashion, forcing him to drop a lot of the plot points and character interactions that were building both during the first half of the arc and the series as a whole. I think it led to fights having unsatisfying conclusions because they had too grand a plan behind them that couldn’t possibly be finished on his given schedule. There are certainly better shonen stories I agree with that but I don’t necessarily think Bleach as a whole is poorly written, I do think Kubo is a good author who couldn’t do everything he had hoped to do with concluding the series.

ShamankinguYoh said:

I have a lot of problems with this series and this is probably chief on my list and why I consider it one of the worst shonen out there. Kubo started off everything fairly strong in the first two arcs, then everything fell apart. Some of the worst character writing out there. I hate that the series quickly devolved into a popularity contest where the most popular characters got screentime instead of the characters that needed it. I won’t spoil it, but certain scenes and fights happen later, and I’m sitting here like, why should I care? What significance has this character ever had? You waited until the series is almost over to show me some boring backstory for a character I have no reason to care about. It’s very telling that Unohana just died last season and no one even remembers her. The series spent no time developing that plot. It just suddenly happens, she dies and it’s over. Story does not progress the series. Not even characters progress the series. Kubo simply had an obligation to show off as many of the popular characters’ powers and abilities as possible, so he contrived ridiculous scenarios (Quincies were somehow hiding in the shadows of SS for a thousand years doing nothing but waiting around) where this could happen instead of actually writing a story or developing characters. It’s just so bad. Kubo is a great character designer and not much else.

ENDMarcus said:

My point with the Ichigo first finding out about the “betrayal” yes I know Uryu is only pretending but the scene lacked real intensity and it was worse in the manga the arrows don’t even hit ichigo in the manga at this point you have a real chance to make this moment as great as it could be and it just wasn’t that and obviously looking from ahead you can say “why would he want to fight ichigo if he’s not the enemy” but in this moment in the story we don’t know that, is it easy to tell yes but you gotta think of it from the point of views of how it’s happening and nice ignoring every other point I brought up btw
The whole theme of this cour is the driving point of the separation and if you say that the way they handled that scene was great or amazing then that’s just plan bias it doesn’t come close to other hard hiding reveal/departure scenes and yes bleach is my favorite anime I’m just not gonna sit by and pretend like this is great writing

ENDMarcus said:

Bro they 100% could’ve dragged on longer mayuri said they had 1,000 seconds before they could be able to fix the barrier that’s a hour and 40 minutes yhwach asked if he was finished implying he could’ve done more bro now your pulling at all lengths to save this scene it wasn’t great it’s not even the most discussed topic of the episode yet being the most important sequence of the whole cour story wise I think it’s very justifiable to be upset along with all the other points I mentioned that you WONT go against even though it’s the point of this thread and the royal palace scene is barely 4 panels of action and he just switches sides right after into the worst fight arguably of tybw being Uryu vs jugram I don’t see why you’d want me to be happy about that either when it gets animated it’s not gonna look much different then what we’ve seen here this was the highlight moment of the cour and it was……….. a MISS.

ENDMarcus said:

Yeah that was a really bad mistake on my part I wrote this right before going to sleep so excuse me but the point still does stand they had more time there wasn’t a shortage of anything kubo couldn’t do to make that moment better 16 give or take since it’s only estimated is still a lot for how long anime fights last in real time and if this was moment which is supposed to be the most important moment of the cour and nothing drastically was added I really doubt now kubo would want to add extra scenes for the royal palace scene it just doesn’t make a lot of sense nor would them adding extra scenes for the royal parlance make what happened here more valid.