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Jun 23, 2023 7:02 PM
#51
XiongYifan said: Jya_Asiaboo_sama said: there's no valid reason to protect a rapist except if you have stockholm syndromeskillpower said: Jya_Asiaboo_sama said: KanataX said: skillpower said: Anzuelo said: skillpower said: why didn't she stop it? she basically let it happen? and later on when Maru comes to kill him she even stops him?????? the writing for this plot doesn't make sense. Because she was handcuffed. They show it in the same chapter. she can easily break it off, and she could've done something before, and she didn't even fight back. were you actually born in 1999?not even gonna talk about anything else but the fact that you think she could've broken those cuffs is beyond me didn't even think somebody above the age of 12 could've questions like this I mean, in the manga she released herself easily when she saw Maru ah yes protecting the man that raped you makes sense. I mean, psychologically and realistically, there could be multiple reasons why someone would do that You can say that all you want, but it doesn't change the facts buddy😂. It happens even in real life. One reason is that they could have been someone very very close to them and psychologically they can't fathom the fact that they are being raped by that person, so they are in a state of shock while getting raped and don't fight back hard. And afterwards, sometimes they still can't let go because they were so close to that person, they don't wanna ruin their lives, or they don't wanna come out and admit to being raped by said person |
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Jun 23, 2023 8:11 PM
#52
Jya_Asiaboo_sama said: maybe but I hope she wont forgive him he should know its still his sister's body and probably robin already did this with his sister in the past as well. Also I couldn't understand why she couldn't accept this even after looking back at everything that had happened to them till now. For someone who has gone through soo much sh*t this shouldn't be that much of a deal to be psychologically affectedXiongYifan said: Jya_Asiaboo_sama said: skillpower said: Jya_Asiaboo_sama said: KanataX said: skillpower said: Anzuelo said: skillpower said: why didn't she stop it? she basically let it happen? and later on when Maru comes to kill him she even stops him?????? the writing for this plot doesn't make sense. Because she was handcuffed. They show it in the same chapter. she can easily break it off, and she could've done something before, and she didn't even fight back. were you actually born in 1999?not even gonna talk about anything else but the fact that you think she could've broken those cuffs is beyond me didn't even think somebody above the age of 12 could've questions like this I mean, in the manga she released herself easily when she saw Maru ah yes protecting the man that raped you makes sense. I mean, psychologically and realistically, there could be multiple reasons why someone would do that You can say that all you want, but it doesn't change the facts buddy😂. It happens even in real life. One reason is that they could have been someone very very close to them and psychologically they can't fathom the fact that they are being raped by that person, so they are in a state of shock while getting raped and don't fight back hard. And afterwards, sometimes they still can't let go because they were so close to that person, they don't wanna ruin their lives, or they don't wanna come out and admit to being raped by said person |
Jun 23, 2023 8:40 PM
#53
XiongYifan said: Jya_Asiaboo_sama said: maybe but I hope she wont forgive him he should know its still his sister's body and probably robin already did this with his sister in the past as well. Also I couldn't understand why she couldn't accept this even after looking back at everything that had happened to them till now. For someone who has gone through soo much sh*t this shouldn't be that much of a deal to be psychologically affectedXiongYifan said: Jya_Asiaboo_sama said: there's no valid reason to protect a rapist except if you have stockholm syndromeskillpower said: Jya_Asiaboo_sama said: KanataX said: skillpower said: Anzuelo said: skillpower said: why didn't she stop it? she basically let it happen? and later on when Maru comes to kill him she even stops him?????? the writing for this plot doesn't make sense. Because she was handcuffed. They show it in the same chapter. she can easily break it off, and she could've done something before, and she didn't even fight back. were you actually born in 1999?not even gonna talk about anything else but the fact that you think she could've broken those cuffs is beyond me didn't even think somebody above the age of 12 could've questions like this I mean, in the manga she released herself easily when she saw Maru ah yes protecting the man that raped you makes sense. I mean, psychologically and realistically, there could be multiple reasons why someone would do that You can say that all you want, but it doesn't change the facts buddy😂. It happens even in real life. One reason is that they could have been someone very very close to them and psychologically they can't fathom the fact that they are being raped by that person, so they are in a state of shock while getting raped and don't fight back hard. And afterwards, sometimes they still can't let go because they were so close to that person, they don't wanna ruin their lives, or they don't wanna come out and admit to being raped by said person But none of that involved Robin. She looked up to him to the point where she felt safe with him around. He was like a father figure or big brother figure. It's like getting raped by your own older brother. Anyone would be shocked. Heck, I'd never ever in 100 lifetimes see that coming. Robin was that to her. She felt like once she found Robin, she basically had a high relief like that's all she needed. Plus, she was a kid when they separated. She still had an attachment like that of a child |
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Jun 29, 2023 12:37 PM
#54
rvdboom said: this is actually 💯true in real life as well, once the will of the victim is broke it's can never be the same. The author has giving it a proper writing and the anime have shown it properly aswellskillpower said: The writing of this plot totally makes sense when you looked at testimonies of victims in real life and think about Kiruko's psychology.why didn't she stop it? she basically let it happen? and later on when Maru comes to kill him she even stops him?????? the writing for this plot doesn't make sense. Rape victims, especially by someone they trust, are in a state of shock when it happens, they just can't believe that's happening to them. This is well documented. They can't resist or fight. It leaves then in a state of helplessness that can last days. This is definitely what happens to Kiruko here. And the reason she doesn't want Maru to be killled is also well documented. When the rape is perpetrated by someone she trusts, the victim still finds very difficult to blame the criminal. In the case of Kiruko, there is another very important reason: she doesn't want Maru to be Robin's killer, since this would ruin the care free relationship she has with him. And she just realized that this relationship is the most important thing she has left, now that Robin is out. |
Jun 29, 2023 3:35 PM
#55
skillpower said: Quite a few things about the alleged rape are strange:why didn't she stop it? she basically let it happen? and later on when Maru comes to kill him she even stops him?????? the writing for this plot doesn't make sense. - why the perfect citizen Robin suddenly turned an asshole? Sex is cheap in Ibaraki. - why he is so cartoonishly evil in the single minute of encounter that we see and nowhere else? - why did he say he got both siblings even though he knows that it's Kiriko's body and Haruki's mind? - why he called it an experiment? - why is he so cruel to, basically, his own family? - why did Kiruko obtained the memories of her dead sister for the first time in 5 years immediately after Robin's experiment? - why didn't she fight or cry for help? - why her hands were tied with a shoelace knot in front of her? Where are the handcuffs? - why she didn't untie herself and escaped? The rope doesn't slow her down at all, her clothes are in the box near the bed, it's the first floor, the window is huge and opens to the field behind the facility. - how did she rush to protect Robin? She is supposedly held against her will. - why did she protect Robin at all? - why Maru didn't try to find out what happens before trying to kill Robin? Kiruko calls for him, he ignores her. He is not a cold blood murderer. - why Robin didn't try to talk his way out? - why there is no any discussion whatsoever of the event between Robin, Maru and Kiruko in any combination? - why the guard were blabbing about Robin and Kiruko? He is supposed to be an accomplice in a horrible crime. - why the only time Kiruko cried for help was when Maru was just behind the door? - why her thoughts chain that led to this cry has nothing to do with Robin's actions? It is about her "wanting to follow Maru's orders" - why? - why did she keep the "Robin" jacket, a permanent reminder about presumed horrible crime against her? - Kiruko was looking for Robin to ask him about the murder - why didn't she? - why does she claim that her goal to meet Robin is achieved - she learned nothing. Or did she? There is more, but I think you got the picture. The alleged rape just doesn't quite fit in the story. This anime is based on mystery. The author doesn't explain anything and he doesn't make info dumps, he just kinda shows what happened. I say "kinda" because he is frequently intentionally deceptive. E.g. the first episode heavily implies that two event lines happen simultaneously - when director says there is "hell and monsters" outside we see the monster immediately. And we were looking at "hell" for half of the episode so it is very convincing. There are hints that there is time gap. They are given over time, one by one, more and more obvious. The last episode ends with the most explicit one - the kids arrive to a pre-apocalipic city. This is made to let even the densest viewers to figure out that the director was full of shit in episode 1. Another example - Mimihime and Shiro changed their names, as did multiple other characters. Mimihime is bandaged so that her most recognizable feature - ears - is invisible. Basically, this is a mystery and adventure anime. Whenever something doesn't quite fit in the picture it is a reliable sign that the author wants you to think why. So, you asked the right question. Here is a link to one of the autor's tweets: https://twitter.com/masakazuishi/status/1419121775032422404 Translation: question: Masakazu Ishiguro-sensei, KIRUKO untied the rope by himself in the end, does that mean he could have escaped if he wanted to...? Does that mean that he still had feelings for Robin...? (-︿- `) answer: This is one of several points I want you to notice in volume 6. I'm glad you noticed, and I'm a little excited that you did. The scene is not what it seems to be and the author worked very hard to make it so. And don't listen to the "victims act in mysterious ways". This is not how mysteries work. You can just say "well, you know, shit happens, it's complex, here is wiki article about the crazy victims". It defeats the purpose of mystery anime - you can't think why certain events happened if you just chalk it off to "poor Kiruko become irrational and unpredictable". This title is not about mysteries of mind of the victims of sex assault, it is about adventures and actual, solvable mysteries. There is a rape later in the manga. The victim looks for the perpetrator for 6 years, she is ready to throw her life away for the revenge. When she finds him, she brutally murders him. Feel the difference. |
Jun 29, 2023 3:49 PM
#56
FreezePeach said: skillpower said: Quite a few things about the alleged rape are strange:why didn't she stop it? she basically let it happen? and later on when Maru comes to kill him she even stops him?????? the writing for this plot doesn't make sense. - why the perfect citizen Robin suddenly turned an asshole? Sex is cheap in Ibaraki. - why he is so cartoonishly evil in the single minute of encounter that we see and nowhere else? - why did he say he got both siblings even though he knows that it's Kiriko's body and Haruki's mind? - why he called it an experiment? - why is he so cruel to, basically, his own family? - why did Kiruko obtained the memories of her dead sister for the first time in 5 years immediately after Robin's experiment? - why didn't she fight or cry for help? - why her hands were tied with a shoelace knot in front of her? Where are the handcuffs? - why she didn't untie herself and escaped? The rope doesn't slow her down at all, her clothes are in the box near the bed, it's the first floor, the window is huge and opens to the field behind the facility. - how did she rush to protect Robin? She is supposedly held against her will. - why did she protect Robin at all? - why Maru didn't try to find out what happens before trying to kill Robin? Kiruko calls for him, he ignores her. He is not a cold blood murderer. - why Robin didn't try to talk his way out? - why there is no any discussion whatsoever of the event between Robin, Maru and Kiruko in any combination? - why the guard were blabbing about Robin and Kiruko? He is supposed to be an accomplice in a horrible crime. - why the only time Kiruko cried for help was when Maru was just behind the door? - why her thoughts chain that led to this cry has nothing to do with Robin's actions? It is about her "wanting to follow Maru's orders" - why? - why did she keep the "Robin" jacket, a permanent reminder about presumed horrible crime against her? - Kiruko was looking for Robin to ask him about the murder - why didn't she? - why does she claim that her goal to meet Robin is achieved - she learned nothing. Or did she? There is more, but I think you got the picture. The alleged rape just doesn't quite fit in the story. This anime is based on mystery. The author doesn't explain anything and he doesn't make info dumps, he just kinda shows what happened. I say "kinda" because he is frequently intentionally deceptive. E.g. the first episode heavily implies that two event lines happen simultaneously - when director says there is "hell and monsters" outside we see the monster immediately. And we were looking at "hell" for half of the episode so it is very convincing. There are hints that there is time gap. They are given over time, one by one, more and more obvious. The last episode ends with the most explicit one - the kids arrive to a pre-apocalipic city. This is made to let even the densest viewers to figure out that the director was full of shit in episode 1. Another example - Mimihime and Shiro changed their names, as did multiple other characters. Mimihime is bandaged so that her most recognizable feature - ears - is invisible. Basically, this is a mystery and adventure anime. Whenever something doesn't quite fit in the picture it is a reliable sign that the author wants you to think why. So, you asked the right question. Here is a link to one of the autor's tweets: https://twitter.com/masakazuishi/status/1419121775032422404 Translation: question: Masakazu Ishiguro-sensei, KIRUKO untied the rope by himself in the end, does that mean he could have escaped if he wanted to...? Does that mean that he still had feelings for Robin...? (-︿- `) answer: This is one of several points I want you to notice in volume 6. I'm glad you noticed, and I'm a little excited that you did. The scene is not what it seems to be and the author worked very hard to make it so. And don't listen to the "victims act in mysterious ways". This is not how mysteries work. You can just say "well, you know, shit happens, it's complex, here is wiki article about the crazy victims". It defeats the purpose of mystery anime - you can't think why certain events happened if you just chalk it off to "poor Kiruko become irrational and unpredictable". This title is not about mysteries of mind of the victims of sex assault, it is about adventures and actual, solvable mysteries. There is a rape later in the manga. The victim looks for the perpetrator for 6 years, she is ready to throw her life away for the revenge. When she finds him, she brutally murders him. Feel the difference. man the writing for this manga was bad |
skillpowerJun 29, 2023 4:08 PM
Jun 29, 2023 4:00 PM
#57
skillpower said: Nope, it was rather clever. Everything happens for a reason, everything is solvable, mysteries are interesting to think about. You just don't get it. Maybe mystery anime is not the genre for you. Just watch something simpler.FreezePeach said: skillpower said: why didn't she stop it? she basically let it happen? and later on when Maru comes to kill him she even stops him?????? the writing for this plot doesn't make sense. - why the perfect citizen Robin suddenly turned an asshole? Sex is cheap in Ibaraki. - why he is so cartoonishly evil in the single minute of encounter that we see and nowhere else? - why did he say he got both siblings even though he knows that it's Kiriko's body and Haruki's mind? - why he called it an experiment? - why is he so cruel to, basically, his own family? - why did Kiruko obtained the memories of her dead sister for the first time in 5 years immediately after Robin's experiment? - why didn't she fight or cry for help? - why her hands were tied with a shoelace knot in front of her? Where are the handcuffs? - why she didn't untie herself and escaped? The rope doesn't slow her down at all, her clothes are in the box near the bed, it's the first floor, the window is huge and opens to the field behind the facility. - how did she rush to protect Robin? She is supposedly held against her will. - why did she protect Robin at all? - why Maru didn't try to find out what happens before trying to kill Robin? Kiruko calls for him, he ignores her. He is not a cold blood murderer. - why Robin didn't try to talk his way out? - why there is no any discussion whatsoever of the event between Robin, Maru and Kiruko in any combination? - why the guard were blabbing about Robin and Kiruko? He is supposed to be an accomplice in a horrible crime. - why the only time Kiruko cried for help was when Maru was just behind the door? - why her thoughts chain that led to this cry has nothing to do with Robin's actions? It is about her "wanting to follow Maru's orders" - why? - why did she keep the "Robin" jacket, a permanent reminder about presumed horrible crime against her? - Kiruko was looking for Robin to ask him about the murder - why didn't she? - why does she claim that her goal to meet Robin is achieved - she learned nothing. Or did she? There is more, but I think you got the picture. The alleged rape just doesn't quite fit in the story. This anime is based on mystery. The author doesn't explain anything and he doesn't make info dumps, he just kinda shows what happened. I say "kinda" because he is frequently intentionally deceptive. E.g. the first episode heavily implies that two event lines happen simultaneously - when director says there is "hell and monsters" outside we see the monster immediately. And we were looking at "hell" for half of the episode so it is very convincing. There are hints that there is time gap. They are given over time, one by one, more and more obvious. The last episode ends with the most explicit one - the kids arrive to a pre-apocalipic city. This is made to let even the densest viewers to figure out that the director was full of shit in episode 1. Another example - Mimihime and Shiro changed their names, as did multiple other characters. Mimihime is bandaged so that her most recognizable feature - ears - is invisible. Basically, this is a mystery and adventure anime. Whenever something doesn't quite fit in the picture it is a reliable sign that the author wants you to think why. So, you asked the right question. Here is a link to one of the autor's tweets: https://twitter.com/masakazuishi/status/1419121775032422404 Translation: question: Masakazu Ishiguro-sensei, KIRUKO untied the rope by himself in the end, does that mean he could have escaped if he wanted to...? Does that mean that he still had feelings for Robin...? (-︿- `) answer: This is one of several points I want you to notice in volume 6. I'm glad you noticed, and I'm a little excited that you did. The scene is not what it seems to be and the author worked very hard to make it so. And don't listen to the "victims act in mysterious ways". This is not how mysteries work. You can just say "well, you know, shit happens, it's complex, here is wiki article about the crazy victims". It defeats the purpose of mystery anime - you can't think why certain events happened if you just chalk it off to "poor Kiruko become irrational and unpredictable". This title is not about mysteries of mind of the victims of sex assault, it is about adventures and actual, solvable mysteries. There is a rape later in the manga. The victim looks for the perpetrator for 6 years, she is ready to throw her life away for the revenge. When she finds him, she brutally murders him. Feel the difference. ik man the writing for this manga was bad |
Jun 29, 2023 4:06 PM
#58
FreezePeach said: skillpower said: Nope, it was rather clever. Everything happens for a reason, everything is solvable, mysteries are interesting to think about. You just don't get it. Maybe mystery anime is not the genre for you. Just watch something simpler.FreezePeach said: skillpower said: Quite a few things about the alleged rape are strange:why didn't she stop it? she basically let it happen? and later on when Maru comes to kill him she even stops him?????? the writing for this plot doesn't make sense. - why the perfect citizen Robin suddenly turned an asshole? Sex is cheap in Ibaraki. - why he is so cartoonishly evil in the single minute of encounter that we see and nowhere else? - why did he say he got both siblings even though he knows that it's Kiriko's body and Haruki's mind? - why he called it an experiment? - why is he so cruel to, basically, his own family? - why did Kiruko obtained the memories of her dead sister for the first time in 5 years immediately after Robin's experiment? - why didn't she fight or cry for help? - why her hands were tied with a shoelace knot in front of her? Where are the handcuffs? - why she didn't untie herself and escaped? The rope doesn't slow her down at all, her clothes are in the box near the bed, it's the first floor, the window is huge and opens to the field behind the facility. - how did she rush to protect Robin? She is supposedly held against her will. - why did she protect Robin at all? - why Maru didn't try to find out what happens before trying to kill Robin? Kiruko calls for him, he ignores her. He is not a cold blood murderer. - why Robin didn't try to talk his way out? - why there is no any discussion whatsoever of the event between Robin, Maru and Kiruko in any combination? - why the guard were blabbing about Robin and Kiruko? He is supposed to be an accomplice in a horrible crime. - why the only time Kiruko cried for help was when Maru was just behind the door? - why her thoughts chain that led to this cry has nothing to do with Robin's actions? It is about her "wanting to follow Maru's orders" - why? - why did she keep the "Robin" jacket, a permanent reminder about presumed horrible crime against her? - Kiruko was looking for Robin to ask him about the murder - why didn't she? - why does she claim that her goal to meet Robin is achieved - she learned nothing. Or did she? There is more, but I think you got the picture. The alleged rape just doesn't quite fit in the story. This anime is based on mystery. The author doesn't explain anything and he doesn't make info dumps, he just kinda shows what happened. I say "kinda" because he is frequently intentionally deceptive. E.g. the first episode heavily implies that two event lines happen simultaneously - when director says there is "hell and monsters" outside we see the monster immediately. And we were looking at "hell" for half of the episode so it is very convincing. There are hints that there is time gap. They are given over time, one by one, more and more obvious. The last episode ends with the most explicit one - the kids arrive to a pre-apocalipic city. This is made to let even the densest viewers to figure out that the director was full of shit in episode 1. Another example - Mimihime and Shiro changed their names, as did multiple other characters. Mimihime is bandaged so that her most recognizable feature - ears - is invisible. Basically, this is a mystery and adventure anime. Whenever something doesn't quite fit in the picture it is a reliable sign that the author wants you to think why. So, you asked the right question. Here is a link to one of the autor's tweets: https://twitter.com/masakazuishi/status/1419121775032422404 Translation: question: Masakazu Ishiguro-sensei, KIRUKO untied the rope by himself in the end, does that mean he could have escaped if he wanted to...? Does that mean that he still had feelings for Robin...? (-︿- `) answer: This is one of several points I want you to notice in volume 6. I'm glad you noticed, and I'm a little excited that you did. The scene is not what it seems to be and the author worked very hard to make it so. And don't listen to the "victims act in mysterious ways". This is not how mysteries work. You can just say "well, you know, shit happens, it's complex, here is wiki article about the crazy victims". It defeats the purpose of mystery anime - you can't think why certain events happened if you just chalk it off to "poor Kiruko become irrational and unpredictable". This title is not about mysteries of mind of the victims of sex assault, it is about adventures and actual, solvable mysteries. There is a rape later in the manga. The victim looks for the perpetrator for 6 years, she is ready to throw her life away for the revenge. When she finds him, she brutally murders him. Feel the difference. ik man the writing for this manga was bad lol its just lazy writing with no substance, you're just waffling at this point. |
Jun 29, 2023 4:12 PM
#59
skillpower said: You simply don't have mental capacity to enjoy a mystery show. Too bad. Don't give up, it's not like you have to be smart. Society needs burger flippers.FreezePeach said: skillpower said: FreezePeach said: skillpower said: Quite a few things about the alleged rape are strange:why didn't she stop it? she basically let it happen? and later on when Maru comes to kill him she even stops him?????? the writing for this plot doesn't make sense. - why the perfect citizen Robin suddenly turned an asshole? Sex is cheap in Ibaraki. - why he is so cartoonishly evil in the single minute of encounter that we see and nowhere else? - why did he say he got both siblings even though he knows that it's Kiriko's body and Haruki's mind? - why he called it an experiment? - why is he so cruel to, basically, his own family? - why did Kiruko obtained the memories of her dead sister for the first time in 5 years immediately after Robin's experiment? - why didn't she fight or cry for help? - why her hands were tied with a shoelace knot in front of her? Where are the handcuffs? - why she didn't untie herself and escaped? The rope doesn't slow her down at all, her clothes are in the box near the bed, it's the first floor, the window is huge and opens to the field behind the facility. - how did she rush to protect Robin? She is supposedly held against her will. - why did she protect Robin at all? - why Maru didn't try to find out what happens before trying to kill Robin? Kiruko calls for him, he ignores her. He is not a cold blood murderer. - why Robin didn't try to talk his way out? - why there is no any discussion whatsoever of the event between Robin, Maru and Kiruko in any combination? - why the guard were blabbing about Robin and Kiruko? He is supposed to be an accomplice in a horrible crime. - why the only time Kiruko cried for help was when Maru was just behind the door? - why her thoughts chain that led to this cry has nothing to do with Robin's actions? It is about her "wanting to follow Maru's orders" - why? - why did she keep the "Robin" jacket, a permanent reminder about presumed horrible crime against her? - Kiruko was looking for Robin to ask him about the murder - why didn't she? - why does she claim that her goal to meet Robin is achieved - she learned nothing. Or did she? There is more, but I think you got the picture. The alleged rape just doesn't quite fit in the story. This anime is based on mystery. The author doesn't explain anything and he doesn't make info dumps, he just kinda shows what happened. I say "kinda" because he is frequently intentionally deceptive. E.g. the first episode heavily implies that two event lines happen simultaneously - when director says there is "hell and monsters" outside we see the monster immediately. And we were looking at "hell" for half of the episode so it is very convincing. There are hints that there is time gap. They are given over time, one by one, more and more obvious. The last episode ends with the most explicit one - the kids arrive to a pre-apocalipic city. This is made to let even the densest viewers to figure out that the director was full of shit in episode 1. Another example - Mimihime and Shiro changed their names, as did multiple other characters. Mimihime is bandaged so that her most recognizable feature - ears - is invisible. Basically, this is a mystery and adventure anime. Whenever something doesn't quite fit in the picture it is a reliable sign that the author wants you to think why. So, you asked the right question. Here is a link to one of the autor's tweets: https://twitter.com/masakazuishi/status/1419121775032422404 Translation: question: Masakazu Ishiguro-sensei, KIRUKO untied the rope by himself in the end, does that mean he could have escaped if he wanted to...? Does that mean that he still had feelings for Robin...? (-︿- `) answer: This is one of several points I want you to notice in volume 6. I'm glad you noticed, and I'm a little excited that you did. The scene is not what it seems to be and the author worked very hard to make it so. And don't listen to the "victims act in mysterious ways". This is not how mysteries work. You can just say "well, you know, shit happens, it's complex, here is wiki article about the crazy victims". It defeats the purpose of mystery anime - you can't think why certain events happened if you just chalk it off to "poor Kiruko become irrational and unpredictable". This title is not about mysteries of mind of the victims of sex assault, it is about adventures and actual, solvable mysteries. There is a rape later in the manga. The victim looks for the perpetrator for 6 years, she is ready to throw her life away for the revenge. When she finds him, she brutally murders him. Feel the difference. ik man the writing for this manga was bad lol its just lazy writing with no substance, you're just waffling at this point. |
Jun 29, 2023 4:18 PM
#60
FreezePeach said: skillpower said: You simply don't have mental capacity to enjoy a mystery show. Too bad. Don't give up, it's not like you have to be smart. Society needs burger flippers.FreezePeach said: skillpower said: Nope, it was rather clever. Everything happens for a reason, everything is solvable, mysteries are interesting to think about. You just don't get it. Maybe mystery anime is not the genre for you. Just watch something simpler.FreezePeach said: skillpower said: Quite a few things about the alleged rape are strange:why didn't she stop it? she basically let it happen? and later on when Maru comes to kill him she even stops him?????? the writing for this plot doesn't make sense. - why the perfect citizen Robin suddenly turned an asshole? Sex is cheap in Ibaraki. - why he is so cartoonishly evil in the single minute of encounter that we see and nowhere else? - why did he say he got both siblings even though he knows that it's Kiriko's body and Haruki's mind? - why he called it an experiment? - why is he so cruel to, basically, his own family? - why did Kiruko obtained the memories of her dead sister for the first time in 5 years immediately after Robin's experiment? - why didn't she fight or cry for help? - why her hands were tied with a shoelace knot in front of her? Where are the handcuffs? - why she didn't untie herself and escaped? The rope doesn't slow her down at all, her clothes are in the box near the bed, it's the first floor, the window is huge and opens to the field behind the facility. - how did she rush to protect Robin? She is supposedly held against her will. - why did she protect Robin at all? - why Maru didn't try to find out what happens before trying to kill Robin? Kiruko calls for him, he ignores her. He is not a cold blood murderer. - why Robin didn't try to talk his way out? - why there is no any discussion whatsoever of the event between Robin, Maru and Kiruko in any combination? - why the guard were blabbing about Robin and Kiruko? He is supposed to be an accomplice in a horrible crime. - why the only time Kiruko cried for help was when Maru was just behind the door? - why her thoughts chain that led to this cry has nothing to do with Robin's actions? It is about her "wanting to follow Maru's orders" - why? - why did she keep the "Robin" jacket, a permanent reminder about presumed horrible crime against her? - Kiruko was looking for Robin to ask him about the murder - why didn't she? - why does she claim that her goal to meet Robin is achieved - she learned nothing. Or did she? There is more, but I think you got the picture. The alleged rape just doesn't quite fit in the story. This anime is based on mystery. The author doesn't explain anything and he doesn't make info dumps, he just kinda shows what happened. I say "kinda" because he is frequently intentionally deceptive. E.g. the first episode heavily implies that two event lines happen simultaneously - when director says there is "hell and monsters" outside we see the monster immediately. And we were looking at "hell" for half of the episode so it is very convincing. There are hints that there is time gap. They are given over time, one by one, more and more obvious. The last episode ends with the most explicit one - the kids arrive to a pre-apocalipic city. This is made to let even the densest viewers to figure out that the director was full of shit in episode 1. Another example - Mimihime and Shiro changed their names, as did multiple other characters. Mimihime is bandaged so that her most recognizable feature - ears - is invisible. Basically, this is a mystery and adventure anime. Whenever something doesn't quite fit in the picture it is a reliable sign that the author wants you to think why. So, you asked the right question. Here is a link to one of the autor's tweets: https://twitter.com/masakazuishi/status/1419121775032422404 Translation: question: Masakazu Ishiguro-sensei, KIRUKO untied the rope by himself in the end, does that mean he could have escaped if he wanted to...? Does that mean that he still had feelings for Robin...? (-︿- `) answer: This is one of several points I want you to notice in volume 6. I'm glad you noticed, and I'm a little excited that you did. The scene is not what it seems to be and the author worked very hard to make it so. And don't listen to the "victims act in mysterious ways". This is not how mysteries work. You can just say "well, you know, shit happens, it's complex, here is wiki article about the crazy victims". It defeats the purpose of mystery anime - you can't think why certain events happened if you just chalk it off to "poor Kiruko become irrational and unpredictable". This title is not about mysteries of mind of the victims of sex assault, it is about adventures and actual, solvable mysteries. There is a rape later in the manga. The victim looks for the perpetrator for 6 years, she is ready to throw her life away for the revenge. When she finds him, she brutally murders him. Feel the difference. ik man the writing for this manga was bad lol its just lazy writing with no substance, you're just waffling at this point. hahahahaha imagine your defence for shit writing is oH YoUrE sTuPiD 🤣 just sad man. |
skillpowerJun 29, 2023 4:22 PM
Jun 30, 2023 1:53 PM
#61
| She wants to get the fuck out of there and is conflicted since he/she actually liked him a lot. We still don't know who is who in that body |
Jun 30, 2023 4:42 PM
#62
FreezePeach said: Sweet Christmas, I have no way to properly, respectfully, HONESTLY answer all your questions without mocking you for several reasons that begin and end with "you're an idiot and the oxygen you intake is wasted," but I'm going to give it my damned best because otherwise, people like you might further ruin media forever. Here we go!skillpower said: Quite a few things about the alleged rape are strange:why didn't she stop it? she basically let it happen? and later on when Maru comes to kill him she even stops him?????? the writing for this plot doesn't make sense. - why the perfect citizen Robin suddenly turned an asshole? Sex is cheap in Ibaraki. - why he is so cartoonishly evil in the single minute of encounter that we see and nowhere else? - why did he say he got both siblings even though he knows that it's Kiriko's body and Haruki's mind? - why he called it an experiment? - why is he so cruel to, basically, his own family? - why did Kiruko obtained the memories of her dead sister for the first time in 5 years immediately after Robin's experiment? - why didn't she fight or cry for help? - why her hands were tied with a shoelace knot in front of her? Where are the handcuffs? - why she didn't untie herself and escaped? The rope doesn't slow her down at all, her clothes are in the box near the bed, it's the first floor, the window is huge and opens to the field behind the facility. - how did she rush to protect Robin? She is supposedly held against her will. - why did she protect Robin at all? - why Maru didn't try to find out what happens before trying to kill Robin? Kiruko calls for him, he ignores her. He is not a cold blood murderer. - why Robin didn't try to talk his way out? - why there is no any discussion whatsoever of the event between Robin, Maru and Kiruko in any combination? - why the guard were blabbing about Robin and Kiruko? He is supposed to be an accomplice in a horrible crime. - why the only time Kiruko cried for help was when Maru was just behind the door? - why her thoughts chain that led to this cry has nothing to do with Robin's actions? It is about her "wanting to follow Maru's orders" - why? - why did she keep the "Robin" jacket, a permanent reminder about presumed horrible crime against her? - Kiruko was looking for Robin to ask him about the murder - why didn't she? - why does she claim that her goal to meet Robin is achieved - she learned nothing. Or did she? There is more, but I think you got the picture. The alleged rape just doesn't quite fit in the story. This anime is based on mystery. The author doesn't explain anything and he doesn't make info dumps, he just kinda shows what happened. I say "kinda" because he is frequently intentionally deceptive. E.g. the first episode heavily implies that two event lines happen simultaneously - when director says there is "hell and monsters" outside we see the monster immediately. And we were looking at "hell" for half of the episode so it is very convincing. There are hints that there is time gap. They are given over time, one by one, more and more obvious. The last episode ends with the most explicit one - the kids arrive to a pre-apocalipic city. This is made to let even the densest viewers to figure out that the director was full of shit in episode 1. Another example - Mimihime and Shiro changed their names, as did multiple other characters. Mimihime is bandaged so that her most recognizable feature - ears - is invisible. Basically, this is a mystery and adventure anime. Whenever something doesn't quite fit in the picture it is a reliable sign that the author wants you to think why. So, you asked the right question. Here is a link to one of the autor's tweets: https://twitter.com/masakazuishi/status/1419121775032422404 Translation: question: Masakazu Ishiguro-sensei, KIRUKO untied the rope by himself in the end, does that mean he could have escaped if he wanted to...? Does that mean that he still had feelings for Robin...? (-︿- `) answer: This is one of several points I want you to notice in volume 6. I'm glad you noticed, and I'm a little excited that you did. The scene is not what it seems to be and the author worked very hard to make it so. And don't listen to the "victims act in mysterious ways". This is not how mysteries work. You can just say "well, you know, shit happens, it's complex, here is wiki article about the crazy victims". It defeats the purpose of mystery anime - you can't think why certain events happened if you just chalk it off to "poor Kiruko become irrational and unpredictable". This title is not about mysteries of mind of the victims of sex assault, it is about adventures and actual, solvable mysteries. There is a rape later in the manga. The victim looks for the perpetrator for 6 years, she is ready to throw her life away for the revenge. When she finds him, she brutally murders him. Feel the difference. -You could ask the same thing of incels, pedophiles, etc. Everywhere in the world, the option of prostitution (minors and adults, don't kid yourself if you think those places don't exist for the former) is a real thing. I would assume if Robin wanted it, he could get it easily without the option of paying. For a lot of perpetrators, though, it's the fantasy brought to reality. Perpetrators of sexual assault want a more personal relationship to their victims. You've heard stories of serial killers keeping "trophies" of their victims, right? Think of it like that, except the "prize" is the fantasy of taking it to the next level with someone you're in a trusting relationship with. -I wouldn't say he's "cartoonishly evil" in any sense. He drops the facade because he's about to get what he wants. Why keep pretending? -You answered your own question. -Putting aside the theory that it's the doctor piloting Robin, he could have learned what the doctor did and being the sicko he is, adopted that notion to justify his actions at first. -Again, perpetrators of sexual assault build a foundation of trust. Also, as someone who did a bit of basic research and spent years in therapy for unrelated reasons, the odd pamphlet I came across depicted some comics where the parent/guardian/trusted other would often justify themselves to their victim. In one, the dad used his daughter and years later when she was in a foster home, he started justifying his actions with "I was stressed, work was frustrating, etc" until she finally snapped. Believe it or not, lots of perpetrators are caught in a "victim mentality" where their actions are justified in their minds because they are, in turn, victims of some greater force that has decided to crap on them. -This one goes into the theoretical, but we can play some real-world comparisons because it is a thing. Basically, when a transplant recipient receives a new organ, there is a high chance that the body will reject the organ on the basis that the organ is not native to the body. A lot of people misunderstand that similar blood types, ethnic backgrounds, etc are sufficient for a transplant. In truth, the reason we aren't taking arms and legs off corpses and giving them to kids without is that the body is a highly fragile and complex thing. It's also why I can't give you a robot arm if you lose yours. Simply put, the body has a lot more than nerves and tendons to re-attach. It has to be able to recognize the foreign object as part of its structure, which, again, is not as simple as plopping an object into the body and saying "good enough." It's likely that Kiruko's brain being foreign to the body wasn't fully registered as a "valid part." It was accepted as the "driver" but never fully recognized as a part of the whole. Another idea is that Kiruko simply repressed those memories as a coping mechanism. Keep in mind, just like with rape, the mind will do whatever it can to "handle" a trauma so it doesn't crash and the entire system ends up shutting down indefinitely. The brain is still working for its own survival in a lot of cases. -Victims of rape often report "shutting down" or accepting the situations. Even years later, there are victims who will justify it as them having wanted it and the perpetrator not being in the wrong. They can only accept that they were a victim when they are brought indisputable proof that the perpetrator was, in fact, raping them. -Robin probably made a change off-screen for any number of reasons. One of those is probably a concern that Kiruko's arms might become useless due to the strain of being stretched like that for long hours. The other option is that he doubted Kiruko would attempt an escape or attacking him, but also didn't have enough trust. -Robin was someone she trusted. Her mind likely defaulted to "acceptance mode" where everything that followed was justified because Kiruko wanted it. Plus, they're still processing. It's been two days. As someone who survived a sexual assault by someone I trusted, yeah, you'll take a while to process and even recognize the event for what it is. -So, that point about my own experience? We're gonna go into it a bit more. The one who sexually assaulted me was a friend, who allegedly was the boyfriend of another friend. For months, I chilled with them and we hung out frequently. I was also on the streets at the time. They ended up scamming me out of hundreds, possibly thousands of dollars which I had been saving to get my own place at the time. I trusted them, even after the assault. Believe it or not, victims are not rational when they are vulnerable, which Kiruko was. They had trusted Robin enough to be naked and let him take their clothes. To be in the same room together. It's not even approaching conceivable how much that scene brought back some really buried shit for me. But, I understood immediately Kiruko's situation. Someone they trusted took advantage and did something traumatic to them. They froze up and accepted it. Days later, they even protected the perpetrator because to them, the perp was still someone they could trust, at the very least. -Read above -Maru already drew his own conclusions from what the guys at the bridge said and what Robin alluded to. For Maru, an unforgivable act had been committed. There was nothing else. -Robin did try to talk his way out, but it was obvious to anyone with two brain cells that Maru was past the point of being reasoned with. I mean, look at what happened when Envy pushed Roy Mustang's berserk button. The only dialogue offered by the latter was basically "I am enjoying every second of your suffering." It's not about Robin failing to think of something to say to save his own skin. When someone is that angry where they tunnel vision, there is very little that can be done to divert their focus or talk sense into them. Rage, pure and unadulterated, has no compassion or reason. -What discussion would there have been? Robin confessing? Maru's fury being reignited? Kiruko working up justifications for Robin's behavior until they either shut down or went nuts? Seriously, what do you expect in those situations? Kiruko and Maru did the only thing they could do besides dig a grave for Robin. if you're asking why Kiruko and Maru never discussed it afterwards, anyone who isn't a sociopath could tell you that you're asking why a victim doesn't want to relive a trauma to someone who is already on the verge of committing a murder on behalf of said victim. For both, it's not a box they'll re-open for a while because it's something that involves tons of powerful emotions that need to be processed in small doses. -Because as far as the world of HD is concerned, this is a common enough thing? It doesn't mean it's right or we should accept it as a viewer. It's just a thing that happens in this world. Hell, Fallout: New Vegas makes it uncomfortably clear that Caesar's Legion is little more than a society of barbarians whose slaves are often the victims of multiple sexual assaults and it's a widely accepted fact, even if the majority of "decent folk" in the Mojave abhor it. A common theme of post-apocalyptic settings is the breakdown of morals when survival becomes an everyday thing. -Because in her mind, he was someone she could trust absolutely. I should probably explain this one a bit better. In our day-to-day, we have two kinds of trust with the people we interact with. With strangers, there is a "conditional trust." This trust is defined by the role that that stranger plays. A stranger serving you food, or that you see on a train, their "condition" for your trust is to represent the role they are playing. On the train, it's as a passenger and civilian, same as you. At a McDonald's, it's to serve you food that is neither harmful (as much as McDonald's can be considered "safe", which is a vast threshold in itself), nor have they polluted it in some manner. The other kind of trust is "unconditional trust" which is reserved for family and close associations. A friend generally receives "unconditional trust" over time. Family, it is kind of automatic by nature. A violation of either trust pretty much sets the bar back, depending on the degree of violation. Maru, in this case, has the only offense being attempting to bed Kiruko and taking his rejection in stride. Other events would have seen the trust strained before an explanation was given, but never broken. Kiruko sees Maru as someone who would save them because in their mind, Maru is established as a) stupidly strong, and b) someone who wouldn't, under any circumstance, hurt them. -Robin is still a "trustworthy person" in Kiruko's mind. Maru hurting Robin is Maru harming someone they care for, even if the harm done to them made the beating Maru delivered rather deserving. Also, Maru doesn't murder other Human's. For Kiruko, Maru crossing that line might cause him more harm than the knowledge of what Robin did. -Victims of sexual assault don't behave rationally. Taking the jacket is probably the most Kiruko could manage to remind themselves without putting the memory front and center. -Kiruko is still confused due to their recent trauma and not in the mindset to ask questions like that. Even if they did, the trust will have been eroded enough that afterwards, Kiruko might have come to doubt the information given. -Because Kiruko reconnected with Robin? Are you really asking this? The rape not fitting is a confusing bit in your conclusion. Your questions don't have an intelligible through-line when someone takes five seconds to scrutinize them with more critical thinking power than that of a rock. Your lack of media literacy is evident, but let's move along. "Show, don't tell" is a basic frigging rule in all media. It's even lauded by editors that if your writing over-explains itself too much and does little in presenting the story, then it's terrible and you should consider an alternative career trajectory. The mystery is what happened to cause the Collapse. The narrative doesn't make it obvious at first when the two settings are taking place, but it very quickly develops into presenting the two timelines. Heck, if you didn't figure it out after Tokiio's babies were born or when Maru alluded to "someone who looked like him," that's your own failure. The narrative pretty much tells you in a good number of instances what is what. Your interpretation is the issue, not the writer's. How was the director "full of shit" since episode one? The narrative structured itself for a dual timeline story. The reveal of a city at a certain point is more spoonfeeding than anything else, and I would say the author was giving their audience a freebie out of concern that they might not "get it" by that point. I won't address your point about what the kids did post-apocalypse. They were refugees from a school that they likely realized was doing some nefarious things. Someone who is still loyal to that place looking for them is probably going to track them down and try to force them back. It makes sense that in that situation, you do everything to remove yourself from the problem as much as possible. The author's likely intent is that they wanted to address the nature of rape in a more psychological context. Kiruko could have escaped at any time, so why didn't they? It would make any sane, intelligent person think about the situation in its entirety rather than the idiotic person who asked about that one moment in specific. Someone with even a basic understanding of emotions and psychology will study the entire situation and apply "grey thinking" to it. You're still seeing it from a piece-by-piece perspective when the writer is asking you to examine the bigger picture. The scene is exactly as it was intended and you saying otherwise does not make it so. Your understanding of basic Human psychology and creative writing is depressingly far below the threshold for "basic" that it pains me to treat you with any degree of civility. It PHYSICALLY CAUSES ME HARM to read such an ignorant post, and the overwhelming compulsion to tear you open in the meanest way possible is only restrained by the necessity to at least attempt to educate your misunderstanding. But, every sentence is so ignorant, so incredibly incorrect in even the most fundamental and basic understanding of both victim/perpetrator psychology, and so rife with an almost intentional disregard for how people behave that I have to fight the urge to attack your ability to handle basic social interactions. Yes, you are that utterly incomprehensibly stupid-sounding that I am in doubt of your ability to interact with other people. There is no mystery for what Robin did to Kiruko. I don't even know how, when even the narrative makes no mystery of it, you arrived at that being a thing. The narrative shows you what happened and the aftermath. It presents a very real and accurate depiction of victim psychology. It is haunting, bordering on traumatizing. We didn't see the act in its entirety, but goddamn if the implied actions weren't vividly presented. The show has done nothing short of an excellent job in showing us its story rather than telling us. As much as I hated the rape scene, I will applaud the HELL out of the studio staff and the writer for their presentation skills. The other victim has spent six years searching for their perpetrator. That isn't a week, you complete fucking buffoon. Yes, I am insulting you. I can't even begin to describe how utterly vapid that final point was. You could have just said "I'm a complete dolt who can't comprehend media more complex than Peppa Pig, so kindly disregard this entire post" and I would have readily done so. Instead, you took a final opportunity to remove all doubt that you need someone to come down hard on you and potentially run you off the site in lieu of you finally reaching that threshold of basic critical thinking skills and realizing that if someone is coming down this hard on you, it's probably because your entire post was so monumentally incompetent in its presentation and your understanding so fundamentally flawed that someone was actively compelled to address it in its entirety and leave you no quarter for civility by the end. Yes, I'm PLATINUM MAD at this degree of ignorance. You're lucky the dulcet tones of Yuka Iguchi can tame even Godzilla. |
| "Thorkell has no resistance to getting kicked in the f-in head. To be honest, neither do I." -Captain Mack "You've faced many life-and-death situations. But that does not make you an adult. Finding more fallen-out hairs on your pillow, watching your favorite stuffed-bread disappear from the convenience store... the accumulation of those little despairs is what makes a person an adult."-Nanami Kento "When a piece of media is bad, it's much easier to nitpick the less significant things because they're seen as a part of the problem. Alternatively, it becomes more difficult to nitpick something like a masterpiece because even the flaws are seen as contributing to the overall quality of the media." -Paraphrasing Mauler |
Jun 30, 2023 5:09 PM
#63
| God, what an embarrassingly limited understanding of the psychology of rape victims. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
Jul 6, 2023 4:59 AM
#64
LostSpectre said: God, what an embarrassingly limited understanding of the psychology of rape victims. no what people don't understand is why are you comparing real life human psychology to psychology of a world where monsters exists they can NEVER EVER be the same psychology of people depends on the environment they grew up in and on top the said person who got supposedly raped (probably she wanted that to begin with) is an expert at killing those monsters even more so that person in question even died and came to life would never have thee same psychology of some girl from fucking earth, it's like some baboon trying to make sense of people moving at light speed in anime to real life 💀 get your shit straight before comparing shit with no basis or ground.it was likely that she wanted to do that with robin at first probably had some conflicting thoughts later just had fun and thus also protecting him from maru since she probably loves Robin. |
maru6669Jul 6, 2023 5:20 AM
| I'm lactose intolerant but I would definitely risk it. |
Jul 6, 2023 5:19 AM
#65
maru6669 said: She's obviously was not willing in the beginning and if you assume that she must have wanted it since she didn't say anything, that means you understand **nothing** about rape victims.it was likely that she wanted to do that with robin at first probably had some conflicting thoughts later just had fun and thus also protecting him from maru since she probably loves Robin. Even though the author has set up this story in a fantastic setting, it's quite obvious that he is interested in giving his characters logical reactions based on the situation they're in and their history. You cannot just consider that they are not reacting like normal persons. This is not Naruto nor AOT. This story is much more grounded. |
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