Konosuba: An Explosion on This Wonderful World! (light novel)
Is Megumin a loli?
Yes
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No
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Kosovar4ever said: MissingNo178 said: Lol, no. By your definition most anime girls would be lolis, since most anime characters are underage No, because your statement is fake. Not most of anime characters are minors. And even if they were, it would mean that, indeed, most of anime characters ARE lolis. its not about appearence but about age Look at this two year old android, who is apparently a loli now due to some flawed logic.  You are like 180* wrong. Koji_Karasake said: wdym what about her age The loli label refers to character's design and has nothing to do with age. That's why "500 years old vampire" excuse is not valid. |
PiromyslMay 31, 2023 4:18 AM
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| I dont understand how people will call Megumin (148cm) a loli but somehow Artoria(154cm)or Nero(150cm) from Fate arent lolis. She is petite and cute so yes it is a joke in universe. |
Piromysl said: Kosovar4ever said: No, because your statement is fake. Not most of anime characters are minors. And even if they were, it would mean that, indeed, most of anime characters ARE lolis. its not about appearence but about age Look at this two year old android, who is apparently a loli now due to some flawed logic. You are like 180* wrong. Koji_Karasake said: wdym what about her age The loli label refers to character's design and has nothing to do with age. That's why "500 years old vampire" excuse is not valid. Oh okay. I thought loli means literaly a child. |
| There are various ways to how someone perceive what is a "Loli" Most people view it by "height" While most government view it by "age" As thus why there's the "legal Loli" . a Small girl or boy would most times be considered as a Loli by the internet and common people regardless of what age they are. such as a small girl's stature would be like 2~3 head shorter than the average male's height. AKA a girl the height of 4 feet vs a male of 6 feet, etc etc. Even if a small girl is age 20+ but looks like a 15 below. (personally this what I would be grouped in with majority of anime fans, lol) . While most government, institution or websites just view Loli as "Pedo" by age, pretty much any girl age 18 and younger is considered a "Loli" by government standards because they're not "mature age" regardless of their height. Even tho most country's federal legal age is actually 16, most parts of the world have states and regions that brings it up to 18. However, some government also follow the "height" as the classification and make censorship in media based on it regardless if the "Loli" is of legal age. . And there's the "age difference" that's pretty much double standard. (but this part doesn't determine who's considered a Loli, but rather who's considered a "Lolicon") Where a 30+ age getting together with a 18+ age would be considered "Pedo" as they're just pass the legal age (doesn't matter which gender is older or younger), while a age 40+ with a 25+ would be all good, cause the younger person is way pass the "legal age" There are even cases of age 21 getting with a 17 (just below legal age) would be considered "Pedo" even tho it's 4 age apart compared to the above 15+ age apart. . |
amlgMay 31, 2023 11:16 PM
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| Megumin is a child. Loli is someone who looks or acts like a child. In other words, loli is someone who is designed to look like a child when they aren't actually a child. Megumin is a literal child mentally, physically, by age, so how can she be a loli? It only makes sense if people have a different definition of "loli" and consider any underage girl to be a loli by default. |
| @Sigmar-Unberogen Megumin is a literal drawing, not a literal child |
amlg said: There are various ways to how someone perceive what is a "Loli" Most people view it by "height" While most government view it by "age" As thus why there's the "legal Loli" . a Small girl or boy would most times be considered as a Loli by the internet and common people regardless of what age they are. such as a small girl's stature would be like 2~3 head shorter than the average male's height. AKA a girl the height of 4 feet vs a male of 6 feet, etc etc. Even if a small girl is age 20+ but looks like a 15 below. (personally this what I would be grouped in with majority of anime fans, lol) . While most government, institution or websites just view Loli as "Pedo" by age, pretty much any girl age 18 and younger is considered a "Loli" by government standards because they're not "mature age" regardless of their height. Even tho most country's federal legal age is actually 16, most parts of the world have states and regions that brings it up to 18. However, some government also follow the "height" as the classification and make censorship in media based on it regardless if the "Loli" is of legal age. . And there's the "age difference" that's pretty much double standard. (but this part doesn't determine who's considered a Loli, but rather who's considered a "Lolicon") Where a 30+ age getting together with a 18+ age would be considered "Pedo" as they're just pass the legal age (doesn't matter which gender is older or younger), while a age 40+ with a 25+ would be all good, cause the younger person is way pass the "legal age" There are even cases of age 21 getting with a 17 (just below legal age) would be considered "Pedo" even tho it's 4 age apart compared to the above 15+ age apart. . Why do you need to make something so simple so needlessly convoluted? XD |
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| @billybub Ok, it's a drawing of a child then. Your point being? |
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Sigmar-Unberogen said: So that means all those lolicon hentai manga that take place in elementary schools, aren't actually lolicon manga...????Megumin is a child. Loli is someone who looks or acts like a child. In other words, loli is someone who is designed to look like a child when they aren't actually a child. Megumin is a literal child mentally, physically, by age, so how can she be a loli? It only makes sense if people have a different definition of "loli" and consider any underage girl to be a loli by default. |
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MadanielFL said: What are you getting at? Lolicon hentai is basically child pornography in the form of drawings. Basic google search will give you the definition of "lolicon".Sigmar-Unberogen said: So that means all those lolicon hentai manga that take place in elementary schools, aren't actually lolicon manga...????Megumin is a child. Loli is someone who looks or acts like a child. In other words, loli is someone who is designed to look like a child when they aren't actually a child. Megumin is a literal child mentally, physically, by age, so how can she be a loli? It only makes sense if people have a different definition of "loli" and consider any underage girl to be a loli by default. What's striking here is why would you be calling Megumin "best loli" considering you're aware how in hentai term "loli" is tarnished and used precisely when sexualizing children. Don't you feel a tad bit uncomfortable or disgusted? Basically, calling a child loli makes sense when the "child" isn't actually a child but looks/acts like one; or if you're "sexualizing a drawing of a child"; or, are you're just calling anything 18- a loli? What's your point? |
Sigmar-Unberogen said: I didn't say thatMadanielFL said: What are you getting at? Lolicon hentai is basically child pornography in the form of drawings. Basic google search will give you the definition of "lolicon".So that means all those lolicon hentai manga that take place in elementary schools, aren't actually lolicon manga...???? What's striking here is why would you be calling Megumin "best loli" considering you're aware how in hentai term "loli" is tarnished and used precisely when sexualizing children. Don't you feel a tad bit uncomfortable or disgusted? Basically, calling a child loli makes sense when the "child" isn't actually a child but looks/acts like one; or if you're "sexualizing a drawing of a child"; or, are you're just calling anything 18- a loli? What's your point? My point is that loli is a body-type, and not related to age. An 8 year old can be a loli, just as much as a 5000 year old dragon. And so is the show itself "sexualizing" Megumin when they call her loli as a joke? |
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| @MadanielFL And so is the show itself "sexualizing" Megumin when they call her loli as a joke? There was a time when I thought "loli" described a cute anime character (a girl, elementary-school age). But then I've learned of lolita, lolicon and how lolis are depicted in hentai. Since then I cringe and roll eyes whenever people call children lolis. When it comes to legal definitions, the most basic definition of "loli" would be A young or young-looking girl character in Japanese anime and manga. Sure sounds all nice and dandy, but then there's this addition: loli - subject of the lolicon genre - what's does that mean? It means that loli is a girl character who appears in romantic or sexual contexts (hentai). This basically means that a perverted and normal person can both call a young female character a loli and there's no way for us to know if their intentions are noble or perverted unless we personally ask them lol. The problem here is obviously no one in public will come out and admit they meant the second definition when calling a character loli. That's why you won't see me calling all the people who voted YES in the poll as pedos or something lol. I'm just stating that the term is ambiguous and considering how term loli is so abused thanks to hentai, I don't know why we'd still use it when describing children. IMO it "insults" characters like Megumin and people who hear you use the word "loli" will likely give you a suspicious glare lol. You said that for you loli is a body type. You mean, a child-looking body type? How does that make sense though? Megumin's a child already, why would you call her, a child - child-looking? You get my point? Listen, I'm not saying you or anyone should stop using this word, let's be clear on that. I just don't see reason why I'd call a child something that is often used to sexualize children. Once I learned the other definitions, I just can't use the word unless, as I've said before, if we're talking about hentai or characters who look like children but are actually a 5000 year old dragon or something as you mentioned. |
Sigmar-Unberogen said: What are these mental gymnastics?@MadanielFL And so is the show itself "sexualizing" Megumin when they call her loli as a joke? There was a time when I thought "loli" described a cute anime character (a girl, elementary-school age). But then I've learned of lolita, lolicon and how lolis are depicted in hentai. Since then I cringe and roll eyes whenever people call children lolis. When it comes to legal definitions, the most basic definition of "loli" would be A young or young-looking girl character in Japanese anime and manga. Sure sounds all nice and dandy, but then there's this addition: loli - subject of the lolicon genre - what's does that mean? It means that loli is a girl character who appears in romantic or sexual contexts (hentai). This basically means that a perverted and normal person can both call a young female character a loli and there's no way for us to know if their intentions are noble or perverted unless we personally ask them lol. The problem here is obviously no one in public will come out and admit they meant the second definition when calling a character loli. That's why you won't see me calling all the people who voted YES in the poll as pedos or something lol. I'm just stating that the term is ambiguous and considering how term loli is so abused thanks to hentai, I don't know why we'd still use it when describing children. IMO it "insults" characters like Megumin and people who hear you use the word "loli" will likely give you a suspicious glare lol. You said that for you loli is a body type. You mean, a child-looking body type? How does that make sense though? Megumin's a child already, why would you call her, a child - child-looking? You get my point? Listen, I'm not saying you or anyone should stop using this word, let's be clear on that. I just don't see reason why I'd call a child something that is often used to sexualize children. Once I learned the other definitions, I just can't use the word unless, as I've said before, if we're talking about hentai or characters who look like children but are actually a 5000 year old dragon or something as you mentioned. First of all, why are so many people confusing MINORS with children? You can be a minor without being a child. A 15yo or 17yo most definitely arent children anymore but are still minors. Loli has nothing to do with age. It is about body proportions. If they look like child, lets say Beatrice from ReZero, or Ilya from Fate, or Ushio from Clannad then they are lolis. The only intention from the one saying it is whether they want to make fun of them, like Kazuma when he uses it on Megumin or in a perverse way, like the Axis. Why is Megumin called that but other similar characters arent? Ask the Axis. They are both stupid and perverts. Loli has only one definition. Small child. The intention behind it changes depending on who says it LIKE EVERY OTHER WORD. |
| @ssjokg What are these mental gymnastics? First of all, why are so many people confusing MINORS with children? You can be a minor without being a child. A 15yo or 17yo most definitely arent children anymore but are still minors. What kind of definitions are you using??? - minor is generally legally defined as a person under the age of 18 - a child is generally anyone under the age of 18 15 or 17 yo aren't children anymore? How come? Maybe different nations have different definitions of "minor" and "child"? Ever wondered about that? Anyways, Loli has nothing to do with age. It is about body proportions. If they look like child, then they are lolis. So Ushio, a child, who has body proportions of a child and looks like a child is a loli? How does that make any sense??? Are you saying that every child is by default a loli? Beatrice being a loli makes sense since she IS NOT a child or a minor by any definition, but still indeed has body proportions of a child, or in other words, body proportions of someone who is 1-14 yo!!! (since you said 15 is no longer child, I assume 14 is considered a child by you?). Once again, how come age is irrelevant when defining loli, considering you also have to define "child" and you can't do that without attributing age to it. Loli has only one definition Are you purposefully ignorant? Do a bit of research and you'll find out that it doesn't have 1 definition. |
Sigmar-Unberogen said: I see you want to make this harder for yourself because you are afraid you may get a stigma or label as a pedo if you call a normal 2D child a loli.@ssjokg What are these mental gymnastics? First of all, why are so many people confusing MINORS with children? You can be a minor without being a child. A 15yo or 17yo most definitely arent children anymore but are still minors. What kind of definitions are you using??? - minor is generally legally defined as a person under the age of 18 - a child is generally anyone under the age of 18 15 or 17 yo aren't children anymore? How come? Maybe different nations have different definitions of "minor" and "child"? Ever wondered about that? Anyways, Loli has nothing to do with age. It is about body proportions. If they look like child, then they are lolis. So Ushio, a child, who has body proportions of a child and looks like a child is a loli? How does that make any sense??? Are you saying that every child is by default a loli? Beatrice being a loli makes sense since she IS NOT a child or a minor by any definition, but still indeed has body proportions of a child, or in other words, body proportions of someone who is 1-14 yo!!! (since you said 15 is no longer child, I assume 14 is considered a child by you?). Once again, how come age is irrelevant when defining loli, considering you also have to define "child" and you can't do that without attributing age to it. Loli has only one definition Are you purposefully ignorant? Do a bit of research and you'll find out that it doesn't have 1 definition.That's your fucking problem. Loll is a character that looks or is like small child. Period. |
| @ssjokg I see you want to make this harder for yourself because you are afraid you may get a stigma or label as a pedo if you call a normal 2D child a loli. So I was right, you're deliberately being ignorant about "loli" having more than 1 definition. I mean you're perfectly aware of the second tarnished definition that may indeed result in someone getting labeled as pedo. But sure, stay ignorant, that's your fucking problem bud. |
Sigmar-Unberogen said: Man there is no "tarnished definition".@ssjokg I see you want to make this harder for yourself because you are afraid you may get a stigma or label as a pedo if you call a normal 2D child a loli. So I was right, you're deliberately being ignorant about "loli" having more than 1 definition. I mean you're perfectly aware of the second tarnished definition that may indeed result in someone getting labeled as pedo. But sure, stay ignorant, that's your fucking problem bud.Nobody is gonna come after you for saying Ushio is a loli. Calling a character a loli doesnt mean shit without context. If you say that you are fapping to Ushio/loli THEN they will label you. This shit here: Listen, I'm not saying you or anyone should stop using this word, let's be clear on that. I just don't see reason why I'd call a child something that is often used to sexualize children. Once I learned the other definitions, I just can't use the word unless, as I've said before, if we're talking about hentai or characters who look like children but are actually a 5000 year old dragon or something as you mentioned. Makes you sound like an actual pedo looking for a loopholes to be allowed to talk about and/or look/fap at loli. Your whole argument stands on "lolicon". What's next, we gonna avoid the words sis/sister because of siscon? The words dont sexualize on their own. The speaker does. Calling a child character a loli doesnt sexualize it. Again, Kazuma does sexualize Megumin when he calls her that. She is petite so he calls her a child to make fun of her. |
| @ssjokg Man there is no "tarnished definition". *rolls eyes* Epitome of ignorance. Will it kill you to do a basic research on the topic? Too much effort?Nobody is gonna come after you for saying Ushio is a loli Anyone can say just this: "Megumin/Ushio is a loli" and nobody's gonna assume you're sexualizing her, because you said so? "Trust me bro" moment. Makes you sound like an actual pedo looking for a loopholes to be allowed to talk about and/or look/fap at loli. Downright idiotic statement. Must be an expert at mental gymnastics to twist perfectly neutral argument I made and use it for petty accusation.Which one of this sounds like an actual pedo? 1) "I don't want to call Ushio a loli since the definition of loli is often sexualized + she's a child already and it makes no sense to me how you can call "a child - childlike". or 2) "You can call any child/child-like character loli, and there's no way anyone can accuse of being a pedo because forget facts, there's no second definition, it's a MYTH. People can't read your mind anyways and can't know what intentions you have when calling a character best loli, so feel free to do what you want, call Megumin loli because OBVIOUSLY you CAN'T be a pervert like Axis and Kazuma who do EXACTLY that! No, it's the opposite! If you're "afraid" to call Ushio a loli, you'll sound more suspicious and brainiacs like @ssjokg will accuse you of being a pedo instead!" *claps in disbelief* Is the word "child" sexualized in your country or something? I'm calling Ushio and Megumin children and don't call them loli = I'm pedo in disguise? I made it perfectly clear in that comment that precisely due to ambiguity of definition, and due to us never knowing whether you call a character loli because you sexualize her, taunt her or use it as a synonym, it simply makes more sense (at least to me) to refuse to call her loli and call her just a child or a girl since that's who Megumin/Ushio actually are! Meanwhile, I agree to call Beatrice a loli, since she looks like a child but isn't actually a child at least!!! The problem here is your utter arrogance and inability to realize that there's a reason why people voted NO in the poll. Are you going to claim these people don't know what they're talking about? Siscon comparison was BS too. If you say loli, you're either talking about a childlike character or you're sexualizing a childlike character. Nobody who hears "character X is the best sis/sister" will somehow consider a sexualized context, that's pure strawman BS. The word loli HOWEVER is often sexualized (whether you like it or not, that's a fact. Again do your own research for once.) and you're too arrogant and ignorant to admit it. Just as I stated in my comment, doesn't mean you CAN'T use the word when talking about children, but there are legit reasons why you MAY be labeled as a pedo or misunderstood as a result, especially when your talking about legit children like Ushio and not some anime-logic characters like Beatrice who sounds, looks and acts like a child even when they're NOT. |
Sigmar-UnberogenJun 4, 2023 7:21 AM
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