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| I wasn't ready for this, Hayasaka's final chapter damn. Good to see my girl Hayasaka's enjoying her life, prez and Kaguya became successful in their line of work. Kashiwagi seriously named their child Maki lmao, what a girl. Ino's become quite the drunk, saw it coming. Also more Hayasaka x Fujiwara tease, nice. A great chapter to end her story, no way this was just a dream. |
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| If Oshi no ko and its reincarnation thing is in the same canon as kaguya I want to attribute this whole chapter to hayasaka having some sort of vision of the future instead of just a dream I want it to be real so bad lmao. That little bit of wishfulness aside, this was such a cute chapter. I am not ready for the end. |
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| I knew Ai's final chapter would eventually come but damn i wasn't ready for it I was shocked to see the title of the chapter I didn't expect a future tease ah man I'm so happy for her she achieved most of her goals and is living her life to the fullest. my man Miyuki has his own company and Kaguya also achieved her dream. chika is a politician I'm surprised she isnt a prime minister yet. Ai X Chika is basically canon now. And omg Hayasaka sleeping happily in the last panel was so adorable finally Justice for Hayasaka! Great way to end her story. yeah sure aka this is just a dream |
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| A week break and then this... honestly didn't thought Hayasaka's final chapter will come this soon, I mean I was kinda expecting it to be wayyy towards the end but guess not now. If what we saw isn't some kind of wishful thinking or dream of Hayasaka, which I'm certain isn't then we already got a glimpse of how things gonna conclude in few more coming chapters. Ah god few more weeks just. She used to be the best girl, and of course she's still holding that designation.. Hayasaka Ai everyone. |
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| Schrodinger's yuri: Haters will say it's just another gag, but deep down ya now what they be doin' in that room. |
| Loved, loved the chapter but agh, I just didn’t like the ambiguity introduced in the last page. The dream thing is so unnecessary, just own it 100% HayaFuji is almost confirmed as is Kaguya’s future as a professional photographer. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| This small glimpse into the future is nice! |
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| The only thing I didn't like if this dream is supposed to be what really happens in the future is the implication that Ishigami and Miko still haven't gotten together by the time they're in university... |
| It's starting to annoy me that out of all the characters, actually only Maki got something coherent and not a disposable gag chapter. And of course, the shippers desperately seize on Ai and Fujiwara's latest interaction to convince themselves that the joke about Ai trying to use Chika's apartment as a home to avoid paying rent is "almost canon/confirmed". Classic. I think it's more of a joke about how she sees their future, as some of the other characters' personalities are overtly parodied (For example, Hayasaka acting like a lazy irresponsible child or Miko becoming a party animal) and getting that kind of time skip a few chapters before the real end would be pretty weird. FlamepriesT said: Schrodinger's yuri: Haters will say it's just another gag, but deep down ya now what they be doin' in that room. More like a conspiracy yuri: some theory isn't canon, but you "know" it is. |
RobertBobertSep 21, 2022 6:04 PM
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| I highly doubt this was just a dream considering she got Kaguya on point and the fact that the narrator mentioned that it is a story from a bit further in the future. Also, the fact that Kashiwagi named her and Kashiwagi's boyfriend's child Maki; Maki's suffering shall never end. |
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RioFS said: I highly doubt this was just a dream considering she got Kaguya on point and the fact that the narrator mentioned that it is a story from a bit further in the future. Also, the fact that Kashiwagi named her and Kashiwagi's boyfriend's child Maki; Maki's suffering shall never end. Then pointing to drean just doesn't make sense? Why was it? So, it really looks like a dream about how all her dreams came true. Although it still doesn't explain why their personalities with Chika switched with each other and Miko suddenly became uncontrollable. |
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| People seem to be 50/50 if this was a dream or a glimpse in the future but I think its real, I loved the 2 oshi no ko references (first page and kaguya with the camera) hope we see more of how the story links in Probably never gonna be real but imagine if Hayasaka was Ai Hoshino because both their named are Ai and Hoshino is a nickname because it means Star’s but 99.9% unlikely lol |
| I like how this chapter took place a bit further in the future. Kinda serves as a mini epilogue before the final chapter. Love the nicknames that Hayasaka and Ishigami have for each other. I wonder how'd Maki feel about Nagisai and Tsubasa's kid being named Maki? I'm sure to some degree she'd be flattered. Also, you ain't so slick Aka, throwing in B-Komachi in there. I think there's pretty good chance that this future actually happens and it ain't just a dream. It'd be nice if it did since Hayasaka is well enough deserving of it. Damn, just 5 chapters to go.... |
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ItzElite said: People seem to be 50/50 if this was a dream or a glimpse in the future but I think its real, I loved the 2 oshi no ko references (first page and kaguya with the camera) hope we see more of how the story links in Probably never gonna be real but imagine if Hayasaka was Ai Hoshino because both their named are Ai and Hoshino is a nickname because it means Star’s but 99.9% unlikely lol Not necessary. She may literally be dreaming of the future, or her dream may be somewhat similar to reality, I think it was a dream anyway, the question is how far it is from real events. Unfortunately, if things aren't cleared up at the end of the manga, it's likely to remain a speculation joke forever. Monty3610 said: I think there's pretty good chance that this future actually happens and it ain't just a dream. It'd be nice if it did since Hayasaka is well enough deserving of it. . Maybe, but the "it probably happened because she deserves it" argument sounds too much like wishful thinking. It's like if I would argue that this is a dream by referring to that I am not satisfied with this chapter. |
RobertBobertSep 21, 2022 5:41 PM
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Monty3610 said: I think there's pretty good chance that this future actually happens and it ain't just a dream. It'd be nice if it did since Hayasaka is well enough deserving of it. . RobertBobert said: Maybe, but the "it probably happened because she deserves it" argument sounds too much like wishful thinking. It's like if I would argue that this is a dream by referring to that I am not satisfied with this chapter. Oh, that last bit wasn't really a reason for why the chapter should be real and not a dream. Just me kinda saying it'd be nice if it were real since I think she deserves a happy ending. |
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Monty3610 said: Monty3610 said: I think there's pretty good chance that this future actually happens and it ain't just a dream. It'd be nice if it did since Hayasaka is well enough deserving of it. . RobertBobert said: Maybe, but the "it probably happened because she deserves it" argument sounds too much like wishful thinking. It's like if I would argue that this is a dream by referring to that I am not satisfied with this chapter. Oh, that last bit wasn't really a reason for why the chapter should be real and not a dream. Just me kinda saying it'd be nice if it were real since I think she deserves a happy ending. I understand. Like I said, I'm somewhat disappointed that this chapter looks more like a collection of random gags of debatable canonicity than any real conclusion to such an important character. Although perhaps it was not only the lack of interest from Aka, but also the lack of time and energy. |
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| I did not expect a timeskip chapter, but God, did I not want it to end, I loved it so much and I was honestly tearing up. That was a fantastic last chapter for Hayasaka. I am pretty sure though, that wasn't like an imaginary dream and that was actually the future, Aka just used the dream as a way to show the future and of course showing that Hayasaka's dreams will literally come true. Damn, our man Ishigami looking good. We already know that Miko can get wild, but damn she really turned into a party animal lmao. Can't wait for the Ishigami and Miko final chapters. Holy shit, Nagisa named her kid Maki, wtf lmao. Maki will never escape suffering. Hayasaka is crashing in Chika's place, girlfriends ya'll. Ah the ring. The final chapters of Kaguya and Miyuki will probably be the wedding, can't wait, though I am not excited for this to end. Also, nice Oshi no Ko references, though I haven't really read it yet lmao. |
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| guys, the last page literally say her dreams will come true. i love in kaguya time skip chapter chika become the stern adult one, when hiyasaka become the childish one, also dang iino become party girl, all those suppressed urge LMAO. |
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
sKyBlazer08 said: Hayasaka is crashing in Chika's place, girlfriends ya'll. Are you literally so desperate for confirmation of this ship that you try to take the mention of Hayasaka leaving her things with her before leaving the country as non-ironic proof that they live together? Chika's reaction even makes it clear that she doesn't like it. I understand that the supporters of this ship have always been desperate, but this already looks even more forced than past arguments. Kuma said: guys, the last page literally say her dreams will come true. i love in kaguya time skip chapter chika become the stern adult one, when hiyasaka become the childish one, also dang iino become party girl, all those suppressed urge LMAO. But if it's real, which of her dreams have come true in this? All we got was a joke about Miyuki and Yuu being her harem and arguably that Chika is no longer weirdo. And I doubt that Ai ever dreamed of having Chika replace her mother figure. Otherwise, it's just a story about the future of Miyuki and Kaguya, as well as a strange mocking of Yu and Miko. No, I'm not saying it can't be, but it just sounds too forced considering it's a Hayasaka chapter, not an extra ending. |
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| I think its a case where its both a dream and reality, as in this is what Hayasaka is hoping the future will be ideally but also this is probably where the story is going to go after it ends which is making me think the ending wont actually be jumping ahead like I always assumed it would. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
JizzyHitler said: I think its a case where its both a dream and reality, as in this is what Hayasaka is hoping the future will be ideally but also this is probably where the story is going to go after it ends which is making me think the ending wont actually be jumping ahead like I always assumed it would. An open ending and this chapter as a hint at a possible "real ending"? I hope not. It's will be even more rushed than originally, since we already got too little chapters to end so many storylines. I'd rather have the manga's ending expand this futher, as some manga have already used a trope where the ending chapter extends the previously shown time skip. |
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RobertBobert said: it's all come true, it's just way to keep the timeline consistent. it's not full blown timeskip, just future insight from hiyasaka perspective as dream during current manga timeline.Kuma said: guys, the last page literally say her dreams will come true. i love in kaguya time skip chapter chika become the stern adult one, when hiyasaka become the childish one, also dang iino become party girl, all those suppressed urge LMAO. But if it's real, which of her dreams have come true in this? All we got was a joke about Miyuki and Yuu being her harem and arguably that Chika is no longer weirdo. And I doubt that Ai ever dreamed of having Chika replace her mother figure. Otherwise, it's just a story about the future of Miyuki and Kaguya, as well as a strange mocking of Yu and Miko. No, I'm not saying it can't be, but it just sounds too forced considering it's a Hayasaka chapter, not an extra ending. |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Kuma said: RobertBobert said: it's all come true, it's just way to keep the timeline consistent. it's not full blown timeskip, just future insight from hiyasaka perspective as dream during current manga timeline.But if it's real, which of her dreams have come true in this? All we got was a joke about Miyuki and Yuu being her harem and arguably that Chika is no longer weirdo. And I doubt that Ai ever dreamed of having Chika replace her mother figure. Otherwise, it's just a story about the future of Miyuki and Kaguya, as well as a strange mocking of Yu and Miko. No, I'm not saying it can't be, but it just sounds too forced considering it's a Hayasaka chapter, not an extra ending. You didn't answer my question, what exactly were her dreams here? She obviously wanted what was good for her friends, but it was obvious and I didn't see any emphasis on it before. Also the few I mentioned earlier especially seem strange. Unless you want to say that she dreamed that Miko would become an alcoholic or that Chika would become mature enough to become her mother. It also seems strange, since in my opinion the time skip would still be better off for the final chapter, or at least an extra chapter for the physical release. |
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RobertBobert said: the whole chapter expect the last page is her dreams. like nightdreams, not future dreams.Kuma said: it's all come true, it's just way to keep the timeline consistent. it's not full blown timeskip, just future insight from hiyasaka perspective as dream during current manga timeline. You didn't answer my question, what exactly were her dreams here? She obviously wanted what was good for her friends, but it was obvious and I didn't see any emphasis on it before. Also the few I mentioned earlier especially seem strange. Unless you want to say that she dreamed that Miko would become an alcoholic or that Chika would become mature enough to become her mother. It also seems strange, since in my opinion the time skip would still be better off for the final chapter, or at least an extra chapter for the physical release. |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Kuma said: RobertBobert said: the whole chapter expect the last page is her dreams. like nightdreams, not future dreams.You didn't answer my question, what exactly were her dreams here? She obviously wanted what was good for her friends, but it was obvious and I didn't see any emphasis on it before. Also the few I mentioned earlier especially seem strange. Unless you want to say that she dreamed that Miko would become an alcoholic or that Chika would become mature enough to become her mother. It also seems strange, since in my opinion the time skip would still be better off for the final chapter, or at least an extra chapter for the physical release. How does this change what I said? You start from the idea that her dream represents the future fulfillment of her dreams, or at least the perfect ending for her. Not? |
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| Man, Aka just absolutely blind-siding us with the flash forward, I definitely wasn't ready for that. Plus with Hayasaka we're getting to the characters' final chapters that are starting to hurt a little bit. All in all this was pretty cool to see; I almost started tearing up in the middle of reading it for whatever reason, maybe just a mix of happiness for the characters and realization that this awesome story really is almost over lol. EDIT: When you read the rest of the forum comments and realize you didn't pay enough attention to the final ambiguous page, which possibly infers that this chapter was just Hayasaka's wistful musings of the future in her sleep. |
Rand_al-ThorfinnSep 21, 2022 8:08 PM
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| & ofc the most perfectly academic student is the one having addictions!!! Im gonna miss Hayasaka!!! |
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Hitagi__Furude said: & ofc the most perfectly academic student is the one having addictions!!! Im gonna miss Hayasaka!!! I'm more confused by the idea that this was meant to be Hayasaka's dream (?) . Did she want Miko to loosen up or stop being such a nerd-ish control freak? And this is after the Osaragi chapter where she did everything to make Miko the perfect president lol. |
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| Not sure why so many people seem confused by the whole dream thing. The final page just shows that these events are a dream for her that will come true (as explicitly stated) while also bringing us back to the present for the following chapters. Several messages condensed on a single page. Pretty neat way to wrap up the chapter imo. |
RobertBobert said: it is. her dream is what will happen in the future. that's all there is to it. literally say in the last page.Kuma said: the whole chapter expect the last page is her dreams. like nightdreams, not future dreams. How does this change what I said? You start from the idea that her dream represents the future fulfillment of her dreams, or at least the perfect ending for her. Not? |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Kuma said: RobertBobert said: it is. her dream is what will happen in the future. that's all there is to it. literally say in the last page.How does this change what I said? You start from the idea that her dream represents the future fulfillment of her dreams, or at least the perfect ending for her. Not? Let's admit. Now how does this override or change what I said earlier? Co1d said: Only part that really annoyed me was what they did with Iino, all the other characters made sense. Ai's transformation from a cold professional to an immature child was also strange, to say the least. FlamepriesT said: Not sure why so many people seem confused by the whole dream thing. The final page just shows that these events are a dream for her that will come true (as explicitly stated) while also bringing us back to the present for the following chapters. Several messages condensed on a single page. Pretty neat way to wrap up the chapter imo. Well, maybe because it wasn't explicitly stated on that page? You just read things like this. For example, why are you sure that the page does not depict a sleeping adult Ai? Or why the phrase about "becomes true" is not said about the dream itself, and not about the fulfillment of dreams in reality? And what only reinforces this, the change of character between Chika and Ai or Ino's transformation into an alcoholic is so much like a joke for the sake of a joke that it can easily be explained by the imagination in a dream. That's why people complain about this dream thing, it just confuses things unnecessarily. |
RobertBobertSep 21, 2022 10:11 PM
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| The manga's slowly drawing to a close. This was a good way to close Ai's final chapter!! The future looks bright for all of them. I was at first kinda surprised with the timeskip but wow!! I really liked it!! There are so many thoughts rushing through the back of my head right now!!! First off, Yuu's gotten really handsome, and it looks like Miyuki's leading a successful life in the future. Kaguya's following her passion and she too is doing quite well. Chika's helping out her dad with the upcoming elections, Ai's travelling around world, Miko's doing well too and so are the others. Also Nagisa and Tsubasa named their child Maki?!! Well, good for them I guess? But anyways, this chapter was awesome!! Even though it was a dream, the author did say (or gave a hint) that it would all happen later on in the future!!! A 10/10 chapter imo!!! |
Joel77Sep 21, 2022 11:16 PM
Joel77 said: The manga's slowly drawing to a close. This was a good way to close Ai's final chapter!! The future looks bright for all of them. I was at first kinda surprised with the timeskip but wow!! I really liked it!! There are so many thoughts rushing through the back of my head right now!!! First off, Yuu's gotten really handsome, and it looks like Miyuki's leading a successful life in the future. Kaguya's following her passion and she too is doing quite well. Chika's helping out her dad with the upcoming elections, Ai's travelling the around world, Miko's doing well too and so are the others. Also Nagisa and Tsubasa named their child Maki?!! Good for them I guess? But anyways,this chapter was awesome!! Even though it was a dream the author did say (or gave a hint) that it would all happen later on in the future!!! A 10/10 chapter I'd say!!! Didn't say, technically "a day in the future" could just mean that she dreamed of a day in the future, not that it actually happened in the future. It doesn't actually make much sense as a twist (if we accept that this will really come true, then in fact Aka declares "this is all a dream" and immediately refutes this within one page), since if Aka just portrayed it as a time skip without any dreams, that would make things a lot easier. Not all, but still. |
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RobertBobert said: I don't really get it, but after I read the chapter I just thought maybe this will all happen in the future? Well again, I guess it's how you interpret it. Your theory is interesting tho. But I hope all of this actually happens in the future :DJoel77 said: The manga's slowly drawing to a close. This was a good way to close Ai's final chapter!! The future looks bright for all of them. I was at first kinda surprised with the timeskip but wow!! I really liked it!! There are so many thoughts rushing through the back of my head right now!!! First off, Yuu's gotten really handsome, and it looks like Miyuki's leading a successful life in the future. Kaguya's following her passion and she too is doing quite well. Chika's helping out her dad with the upcoming elections, Ai's travelling the around world, Miko's doing well too and so are the others. Also Nagisa and Tsubasa named their child Maki?!! Good for them I guess? But anyways,this chapter was awesome!! Even though it was a dream the author did say (or gave a hint) that it would all happen later on in the future!!! A 10/10 chapter I'd say!!! Didn't say, technically "a day in the future" could just mean that she dreamed of a day in the future, not that it actually happened in the future. It doesn't actually make much sense as a twist (if we accept that this will really come true, then in fact Aka declares "this is all a dream" and immediately refutes this within one page), since if Aka just portrayed it as a time skip without any dreams, that would make things a lot easier. Not all, but still. |
Joel77 said: RobertBobert said: I don't really get it, but after I read the chapter I just thought maybe this will all happen in the future? Well again, I guess it's how you interpret it. Your theory is interesting tho. But I hope all of this actually happens in the future :DDidn't say, technically "a day in the future" could just mean that she dreamed of a day in the future, not that it actually happened in the future. It doesn't actually make much sense as a twist (if we accept that this will really come true, then in fact Aka declares "this is all a dream" and immediately refutes this within one page), since if Aka just portrayed it as a time skip without any dreams, that would make things a lot easier. Not all, but still. I mean, this whole drean thing just doesn't make sense, it's almost literally a cliffhanger and its (perhaps) rebuttal on the same page. But yep, it's pretty confusing, so I don't see a problem if you're reading or want to read it differently. |
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Rand_al-Thorfinn said: Haha I totally agree with what you said in the edit. After reading the forum posts I too wonder whether it was all just a good dream.Man, Aka just absolutely blind-siding us with the flash forward, I definitely wasn't ready for that. Plus with Hayasaka we're getting to the characters' final chapters that are starting to hurt a little bit. All in all this was pretty cool to see; I almost started tearing up in the middle of reading it for whatever reason, maybe just a mix of happiness for the characters and realization that this awesome story really is almost over lol. EDIT: When you read the rest of the forum comments and realize you didn't pay enough attention to the final ambiguous page, which possibly infers that this chapter was just Hayasaka's wistful musings of the future in her sleep. |
RobertBobert said: FlamepriesT said: Not sure why so many people seem confused by the whole dream thing. The final page just shows that these events are a dream for her that will come true (as explicitly stated) while also bringing us back to the present for the following chapters. Several messages condensed on a single page. Pretty neat way to wrap up the chapter imo. Well, maybe because it wasn't explicitly stated on that page? You just read things like this. For example, why are you sure that the page does not depict a sleeping adult Ai? Or why the phrase about "becomes true" is not said about the dream itself, and not about the fulfillment of dreams in reality? And what only reinforces this, the change of character between Chika and Ai or Ino's transformation into an alcoholic is so much like a joke for the sake of a joke that it can easily be explained by the imagination in a dream. That's why people complain about this dream thing, it just confuses things unnecessarily. That just sounds like a lot of overthinking. This chapter is "a story from a bit further in the future". It shows us her dreams and explicitly states they will come true in the future: "And so, the story of Ai Hayasaka will eventually come to its close... one day in the future, when all her little dreams come true..." If you keep it simple and trust the narrative, it all makes sense. That's all there is to it. |
| These finals make me so sad, especially now that the main cast’s turn has come. I loved her so much :( Also, they fucking named their child Maki LMAO |
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| It was more about the others than herself but I am happy that she is happy. That and that I can finally see the president out of the box okay I will let myself out. |
| I like to post in manga forum when I feel it is worth it, so people will think. "Shit, is her again" or something. People asked me where I read certain thing but the rules say no telling where did you read so maybe I am too boring for not saying? Or salty because you didn't check my profile that says don't ask because I hate people to ghost me after that. I love learning languages so maybe I did not read the manga in English. |
FlamepriesT said: RobertBobert said: Well, maybe because it wasn't explicitly stated on that page? You just read things like this. For example, why are you sure that the page does not depict a sleeping adult Ai? Or why the phrase about "becomes true" is not said about the dream itself, and not about the fulfillment of dreams in reality? And what only reinforces this, the change of character between Chika and Ai or Ino's transformation into an alcoholic is so much like a joke for the sake of a joke that it can easily be explained by the imagination in a dream. That's why people complain about this dream thing, it just confuses things unnecessarily. That just sounds like a lot of overthinking. This chapter is "a story from a bit further in the future". It shows us her dreams and explicitly states they will come true in the future: "And so, the story of Ai Hayasaka will eventually come to its close... one day in the future, when all her little dreams come true..." If you keep it simple and trust the narrative, it all makes sense. That's all there is to it. I'm just showing you the possible readings instead of referring to the only option as "the most obvious and the only one possible". Again, this makes perfect sense without any dreams. But why was it added and, according to your own logic, refuted on the same page? What's the point? And why should it be read the way you want it to be? Why is it supposedly such an original narrative and it can only be trusted in this form? Because you decided that the narrative is just such and trusting it, we can only come to such a decision? Doubtful. The intentionally abstract "a bit in the future in the future" could just mean that she is dreaming, and it not happening or will happen in reality. LastLuminescence said: It was more about the others than herself but I am happy that she is happy. That and that I can finally see the president out of the box okay I will let myself out. That's the problem, at least for me personally. They just showed us something like "where are they now" with a set of classic gags and that's it. And we were just hinted that she is "happy" while even Osaragi got a more fixed chapter? |
RobertBobertSep 22, 2022 3:04 AM
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RobertBobert said: everything in the chapter is real, just not happen yet. as simple as that.Kuma said: it is. her dream is what will happen in the future. that's all there is to it. literally say in the last page. Let's admit. Now how does this override or change what I said earlier? |
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