| This club is still under construction and formation, thus lets take a breather... This is what happens when a definitive discussion in the forums comes a little bit intense: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=142522&show=0 the title speaks itself...and were just here to discuss about that matter... Should we get this started? Does it really deserve to be initialized here? Our minds full of memories of this certain generation of japanese animated series is still fresh from the grill, thus lets take this advantage to the fullest of its accuracy by the opinions of the majority at this very right timing... thus giving credit to the club master for this early initiative...great thanks... |
| It's good to have this club. Ok, what are the essential criteria to decide the anime of the decade? |
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-Freedom_Gunboy- said: It's good to have this club. Ok, what are the essential criteria to decide the anime of the decade? This is taken from Winley's former post on the main forums: - We'll use MAL's Popularity Table and any Anime outside the Top 30 is exlcuded. an Anime has to be popular enough to be considered the best. - Movies are included, however OVA's do not (there weren't any OVA's in the Top 30 anway). - Any Anime airing into the next decade (2010-2019) is excluded. Any Anime which aired episodes in the previous decade (1990-1999) is also excluded. Only Anime which have aired or will finish Airing between 1st January 2000- December 31st 2010 can be included. By these rules: - One Piece is excluded because it aired its first few episodes in 1999. It will also continue airing into the next decade. - Naruto Shippuden is excluded for Airing into the next decade however its Predecessor 'Naruto' is allowed. - Bleach is excluded for airing into the next decade. The Candidates Are: - Death Note - Fullmetal Alchemist - Code Geass - Hangyaku no Lelouch(or Code Geass - Hangyaku no Lelouch R2) - The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Elfen Lied - Ouran High School Host Club - Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann - Spirited Away - Lucky Star - Hellsing - Full Metal Panic! - Chobits - Soul Eater - Fate/stay night - Clannad(or Clannad ~After Story~) - Samurai Champloo - Higurashi no Naku Koro ni - Claymore - Darker than BLACK - Kuro no Keiyakusha - Shakugan no Shana - Vampire Knight - Toradora! You are free to add which other animes that can be a candidate...and it must be popular enough for even a large sum minority would identify... thus i also requested to add the following(has popular and or artistic credit): -Naruto(non-shippuden) -Baccano! -FLCL -Aria series(animation, natural, orgination) -Mushishi -Azumanga Daioh -Bakemonogatari -Ghost in the Shell S.A.C.(or S.A.C. 2nd Gig) After naming the potential candiadates, we shall continue to the next stage... arguing the best season of the canonical candidates...to avoid such bias on the series... example: Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch VS Hangyaku no Lelouch R2 Aria: Animation VS Natural VS Origination Clannad: Season 1 VS ~After Story~ Ghost in the Shell: S.A.C. VS S.A.C. 2nd Gig third stage...we shall sort out corresponding animes on their specialty of reception: -Popularity -Artistic Quality -Logical Quality -Story Quality and so on and so forth...thus a possiblity to add more of these "specialties"... fourth stage...we'll rank them fifth stage...we'll be comparing those top "specialty" animes head-to-head until the wise majority shall choose of the one victor as "anime of the decade" i hope this protocol works, this is just an initial opinion(^_^) |
Tomah said: Then Bakemonogatari shouldn't be on the list. To tell you the truth I don't think I know anyone who has ever seen it (me included). Sure, this is just my point of view, since I'm not sure how popular is this show in other countries. I dun think we should exclude Bakemonogatari, given its artistic value and unconventional art style. Tomah said: I don't see any reason for this. We should judge an anime based on it's entirety, not a single season. ya, I agree with this. I also like to name Code Geass instead of CG S1 or R2, for example. |
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Tomah said: I don't see any reason for this. We should judge an anime based on it's entirety, not a single season. It happened that we need to tend this 1 best season rule only, it is because we'll be having some loophole like the naruto anime, a really big contender, if we go through as an entirety. "Naruto" was created and ended within the decade's period, while "naruto: shippuden" debuted within this current decade, but it shall be aired towards the next decade(which is restricted to the rules). Both are canonical, thus this could mean if they are an entirety, Naruto shall be disqualified(as putting both seasons increases their length) oh give it a fact that "One Piece" was disqualified due to the "naming game rule" in proportion to its length! We are just choosing the best season to represent the entire identity of that certain anime, so don't worry, as thus its certain still is that season shall be the "proxy"/"representative" of that whole anime entirety that you are all talking about... The naming game rule is strict...one particular anime series name without any canonical conflict with other anime series |
sauteed_roaches said: Tomah said: I don't see any reason for this. We should judge an anime based on it's entirety, not a single season. It happened that we need to tend this 1 best season rule only, it is because we'll be having some loophole like the naruto anime, a really big contender, if we go through as an entirety. "Naruto" was created and ended within the decade's period, while "naruto: shippuden" debuted within this current decade, but it shall be aired towards the next decade(which is restricted to the rules). Both are canonical, thus this could mean if they are an entirety, Naruto shall be disqualified(as putting both seasons increases their length) oh give it a fact that "One Piece" was disqualified due to the "naming game rule" in proportion to its length! We are just choosing the best season to represent the entire identity of that certain anime, so don't worry, as thus its certain still is that season shall be the "proxy"/"representative" of that whole anime entirety that you are all talking about... The naming game rule is strict...one particular anime series name without any canonical conflict with other anime series To back this up, just take a look at the Gundam series, it was created in like what, the 70's early 80's and there is still new stuff coming out. |
| Oh, and a thought, lets try to pick something, that not only is the best of the decade, but one that will be remembered ten years from now and watched by the new otaku of that day |
IAmManga said: Oh, and a thought, lets try to pick something, that not only is the best of the decade, but one that will be remembered ten years from now and watched by the new otaku of that day we shall pick the anime that will represent this decade(anime of the decade), and the most critically acclaimed anime of the decade(best anime of the decade)... thus this just mean...popularity award, critics award, and specialty awards: (most popular)Anime of the Decade (critics)Best Anime of the Decade drama, comedy, action, scifi....so forth...Anime of the Decade Any suggestions? |
| I really don't think 2000-2009 is a good enough time frame. It feels like 9 years when you eyeball it. |
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| Here's what I have thought of, for starters: To identify the anime of the decade required a combination of popularity, influence, hype, and quality; i.e. you could have titles like To Love Ru, Ikkitousen and Queen's Blade, that are extremely popular earning good profits and spurning tonnes of sequels and spin offs; but if the series never achieved acclaim in the form of official awards such as Animage's Grand Prix or the Tokyo International Awards for instance, then it wouldn't be included. In short, to me, the fact that x anime was better than y anime but was simply less watched will be irrelevant. Without the hype, it is unlikely to be remembered (think LOGH). The best anime representative for the decade for me are: 1) Code Geass 2) Death Note 3) Inuyasha 4) FMA 5) Naruto 6) One Piece 7) Azumanga Daioh 8) TMoSH 9) Lucky Star 10) Gundam Seed (Though not so much) 11) Macross Frontier 12) Card Captor Sakura The anime that I believe deserve the critique's award for being excellent examples of the medium, but probably aren't as strong candidates as "the anime of the decade", * denotes quality and "timelessness", other than that it's all popularity: Level A - Combination of popularity, ratings, sales and awards (official)+ blog/forum awards Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann* Clannad, Air, Kanon* Mushishi* Gankutsuou* Hikaru no Go* Dennou Coil* Honey and Clover* Fruits Basket* K-On* Hanada Shonen Shi* Nodame Cantabile* Keroro Gunso* DMC* Eureka 7 * (but personally I hate it) Planetes* Level B (Some minor awards + blog/forum/db lists awards) Baccano* Terra e* Kaiba* Seirei no Moribito* Princess Tutu* + Full Moon Wo Sagashite* Aria* Monster* Haibane Renmei* Kino's Journey* Skip Beat* Toradora* Level C Higurashi Black Lagoon Bleach Darker than Black True Tears, KGNE School Rumble Elfen Lied Fate Stay Night/Tsukhime/KnK Wolf's Rain Last Exile Bokurano Saikano Minami-ke Kannagi Ef Higashi no Eden Kurenai Whew, that's an exhaustive list, and I've definitely left out quite a few other gems so feel free to build up on this list. As you can see, the 2000s clearly outclasses all the other decades combined in sheer volume, and that's excluding OVAs, spin-offs, alternate universes (Gundam 00, Turn A) and movies. Sources: ANN, animereactor, anidb, myanimelist, Newtype, Tokyo International Anime Awards, and Animage's Anime Grand Prix. Sample 1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Anime_Award Year Winner 2002 InuYasha Ojamajo Doremi Sharp Hikaru no Go Fruits Basket One Piece 2003 Hanada Shonen Shi InuYasha Overman King Gainer 2004 Astro Boy Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Fullmetal Alchemist 2005 Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo Sgt. Frog Futari wa Pretty Cure 2006 Eureka Seven Black Jack Mushishi 2007 Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya Death Note 2008 Dennō Coil Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann 2009 Macross Frontier Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2 Sample 2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime_Grand_Prix#Anime_Grand_Prix 23 2000 Saiyuki [23] Studio Pierrot TV series Cardcaptor Sakura Madhouse TV series 24 2001 Fruits Basket [24] Studio Deen TV series Inu Yasha Sunrise TV series 25 2002 Gundam SEED Shīdo [25] Sunrise TV series Azumanga Dai-Oh J.C.Staff TV series 26 2003 Fullmetal Alchemist [26] Bones TV series Gundam SEED Shīdo Sunrise TV series 27 2004 Gundam SEED Destiny [27] Sunrise TV series Fullmetal Alchemist Bones TV series 28 2005 Gundam SEED Destiny [28] Sunrise TV series Kyō Kara Maō Studio Deen TV series 29 2006 Code Geass Sunrise TV series Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya Kyōto Animation TV series 30 2007 Code Geass Sunrise TV series Gundam 00 Sunrise TV series 31 2008 Code Geass 2 Sunrise TV series Kuroshitsuji A-1 Pictures TV series |
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| good point there Obsessive, but we should also have winners from individual anime genres or specialties we could name off, so we could soon have some credit and justice to other animes then soon beforehand we could call an award called the "All-Around anime of the decade", which is really the benchmark of a well balanced anime in all genres' aspect. "Anime of the Decade" is named who has made a significant cultural, moral, psychological impact to the majority, thus it should be at least 70 or 80%(make or break 100%, but not an advantage) popular from the taste of the anime fans... DeadBonesBrook said: I really don't think 2000-2009 is a good enough time frame. It feels like 9 years when you eyeball it. uhm, thats why we call it "decade", count 0 to 9 with your fingers and it makes ten. Yet it is really a limited timeframe we can give, 10 years is very short period, though there would be something significant with it... |
sauteed_roaches said: "Anime of the Decade" is named who has made a significant cultural, moral, psychological impact to the majority, thus it should be at least 70 or 80%(make or break 100%, but not an advantage) popular from the taste of the anime fans... With all those words used to describe that sort of award, the best candidates within that top 30 would be Monster and Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann... and yet I find a top 30 a strange range to choose from; rather I would choose from a top 50 or top 100 since there are no doubt great shows that are there that don't lie within that tiny tip of the pyramid, since there are other shows that fit that bill that are outside, such as Kaiba and Kino's Journey. |
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DeadBonesBrook said: sauteed_roaches said: "Anime of the Decade" is named who has made a significant cultural, moral, psychological impact to the majority, thus it should be at least 70 or 80%(make or break 100%, but not an advantage) popular from the taste of the anime fans... With all those words used to describe that sort of award, the best candidates within that top 30 would be Monster and Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann... and yet I find a top 30 a strange range to choose from; rather I would choose from a top 50 or top 100 since there are no doubt great shows that are there that don't lie within that tiny tip of the pyramid, since there are other shows that fit that bill that are outside, such as Kaiba and Kino's Journey. well the percentage should have been a little inaccurate then...doubting popularity is still a major factor of such cultural impact. What happens when popularity factor should be increased to 80-90% imo? Will it be too strict as benchmark? Giving the reference to show i guess majority should be choosing along the MAL top 60, and a very few below that(the next 40) Top 61-100 IMO is not much a very optimal benchmark, thus few of them below could proceed, for it will be i think is the minimum. Mentioning that Top 101+ animes should be a rare case to be nominated... Yet a hint can be shown that the winning anime for being popular(popular anime of the decade) is based on 95-100% popularity factor... |
| I think the anime of the decade should be established by voting, simply ask every one "What is the best or most favorite anime of the decade?" User can only choose one and only one. User can change their choice however, as I think none of us have watched all the animes in the whole decade. And our favorite do change over time. Let's leave the result fluid as 10 years of anime is a really bulky amount. It should not be judged by random guessing on popularity as it's never accurate, does not represent quality and may not represent what you think is good. Nor the DVD sales - figures are concrete, there is no need to question; but again it may not represent the quality as its affected by many factors. Use it as another way of ranking instead. Nor the awards it won - which is also concretely listed, there is no need to question. Accept or not, they do represent the evaluation of some groups of people and those groups of people only. Of course, the statistics generated here only represent what people think here too. As for the scope of candidates, my choice would be any series have at least 6 new episode shown within the decade AND for series shorter than 6, 50% or more of the new episodes. It's may include a bit more but I don't want to ignore the hard work of the anime staff. |
bottle said: It should not be judged by random guessing on popularity as it's never accurate, does not represent quality and may not represent what you think is good. Nor the DVD sales - figures are concrete, there is no need to question; but again it may not represent the quality as its affected by many factors. Use it as another way of ranking instead. Nor the awards it won - which is also concretely listed, there is no need to question. Accept or not, they do represent the evaluation of some groups of people and those groups of people only. Of course, the statistics generated here only represent what people think here too. As for the scope of candidates, my choice would be any series have at least 6 new episode shown within the decade AND for series shorter than 6, 50% or more of the new episodes. It's may include a bit more but I don't want to ignore the hard work of the anime staff. I agree with bottle here, cause honestly, the rankings don't mean anything really, pretty much every site that has a ranking system similar to MAL has a completely different results. Oh, and just because an anime is watched by a lot of people, doesn't mean its a great anime. Naruto for example, tons have watched it, even I watched a bit of it, 200 eps, and from a more literary sense of judging, IE, plot, parallelism, deeper meaning, and other such things that are found in great stories and High school literature/english class. Just looking at it from that perspective, its not that good of a show, there are its moments, like the Rock Lee versus Gara, that was epic, and nothing more, if you haven't watched it, watch that one episode. DVD sales, again don't really matter either. All that gauges is how many people actually bought the series, cause there are people like me who watch it online or download it, I know, its bad, but if its worth buying I will buy it when I actually have money. And I believe its pretty bogus to eliminate a title just cause it started a couple of months before this decade, such as One Piece. One Piece in my honest opinion is a good candidate, and it did have like all of 10 eps, out of 600, aired in 1999. So let us bend the rules for certain anime, like one piece and Bleach, cause those are totally seen as this decades creations, start another thread within the club or something to discuss the misgivings, because its not like there are lives hanging in the balance here. So the best way would be to vote, I guess, but then it becomes more of a popular opinion than anything, unless those who vote make informed decisions, and can put away their likes and dislikes and can come to a more objective conclusion. So we need a system to actually come up with a shorter lists of candidates, like some prelim screening, cause there are a lot of great anime in this decade, but not all of it is a good candidate, like Kino's Journey, great show, but I highly doubt its going to be picked. Its just that we should look beyond rankings and such things |
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