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Sep 2, 2022 1:04 PM
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The show makers actually confirm this: Maruto (the writer) pitched several different ideas, but only got approval with the concept "all the characters are bad people" (the actual word used here is "dame", which seems to mean many kinds of "no good").

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3177733


Anyway any guy who uses his dick to poison women cannot be called a hero.
Sep 2, 2022 1:16 PM
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Lmaoo yes all of them are kinda “dame”.Dedbeat playboy,alien who fk ups peoples head and a simp ex gf
Sep 2, 2022 3:14 PM
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Haneken2086 said:
The show makers actually confirm this: Maruto (the writer) pitched several different ideas, but only got approval with the concept "all the characters are bad people" (the actual word used here is "dame", which seems to mean many kinds of "no good").

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3177733


Anyway any guy who uses his dick to poison women cannot be called a hero.

I mean he could be called a hero since the girl was going to kill him, at the very least he can be called a chad and not a beta simp like the usual male mcs in romance. also the show doesn't say anyone is a hero/good, if anything the show has shown us that everyone is extremely selfish
Sep 2, 2022 3:43 PM
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titodacat said:
Haneken2086 said:
The show makers actually confirm this: Maruto (the writer) pitched several different ideas, but only got approval with the concept "all the characters are bad people" (the actual word used here is "dame", which seems to mean many kinds of "no good").

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3177733


Anyway any guy who uses his dick to poison women cannot be called a hero.

I mean he could be called a hero since the girl was going to kill him, at the very least he can be called a chad and not a beta simp like the usual male mcs in romance. also the show doesn't say anyone is a hero/good, if anything the show has shown us that everyone is extremely selfish


He's a penniless freeloader living off other women so, to call him a Chad is an insult to Chad characters.
Sep 2, 2022 3:52 PM
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Lolicon said:
titodacat said:

I mean he could be called a hero since the girl was going to kill him, at the very least he can be called a chad and not a beta simp like the usual male mcs in romance. also the show doesn't say anyone is a hero/good, if anything the show has shown us that everyone is extremely selfish


He's a penniless freeloader living off other women so, to call him a Chad is an insult to Chad characters.

I mean he can be chad and broke. financial status doesn't equate chad status. also a free loader would mean he isn't paying for anything when he is paying for his rent...
Sep 2, 2022 4:50 PM
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they may be 'dame' but not really unlikeable, their bad traits and weaknesses is what ultimately connects them. I remember from some other interview that one of the staff wanted to make shu even more despicable, ofc he is the reason that his love interests are no good as well. Ayano can't really let go after getting dumped for no reasons explained and kisara is getting possessive cause she has no one else and that one is giving her the cold shoulder. It's fine having main characters with flaws but I agree that they exaggerated with shu especially since his actions are mostly treated as funny up till now. His character arc also comes way too late hence why I have difficulties to care about what happened in ep9.
Sep 2, 2022 7:21 PM
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Haneken2086 said:
The show makers actually confirm this: Maruto (the writer) pitched several different ideas, but only got approval with the concept "all the characters are bad people" (the actual word used here is "dame", which seems to mean many kinds of "no good").

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3177733


Anyway any guy who uses his dick to poison women cannot be called a hero.

yes but the anime itself is great so no problem for me
Sep 2, 2022 7:28 PM
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Well, duh. You want to have bunch of Mary Sues and Gary Stus? Mahouka and SAO are considered garbage exactly because of that.
By "dame", I think he meant "flawed", which is actually very good protagonist to have.

Sep 2, 2022 8:25 PM
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yeah thats kinda the appeal to me, I love characters who are not good people but aren't just like evil either
Sep 2, 2022 8:33 PM

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Piromysl said:
Well, duh. You want to have bunch of Mary Sues and Gary Stus? Mahouka and SAO are considered garbage exactly because of that.
By "dame", I think he meant "flawed", which is actually very good protagonist to have.


I think OP never asked for that in any point of the post. I don't see how Shuu is a good progonist anyways
Sep 2, 2022 9:24 PM
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Haneken2086 said:
The show makers actually confirm this: Maruto (the writer) pitched several different ideas, but only got approval with the concept "all the characters are bad people" (the actual word used here is "dame", which seems to mean many kinds of "no good").

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3177733


Anyway any guy who uses his dick to poison women cannot be called a hero.

yea he used his dick with poison but that nun was going to kill him so I say it's fair game I wouldn't go so far to call him a hero but if he didn't poison her he would be dead
Sep 2, 2022 9:39 PM
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I really am just watching this show just to finish it. Every character is a dickhead in this show, bar one decent guy...and he was killed. I really want to like it more than I am, but the entire cast is so unlikeable.
Sep 3, 2022 3:38 AM
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MC is just too dick of a guy and its not really explained at all in the series. And how is this guy get this many girls and the Celestial Abbey girl also mentions about him getting girls and he sleeping with all of them. Our boy is just too dedicated and its peak shounen I guess.
Sep 3, 2022 7:38 AM

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Ionliosite2 said:
Piromysl said:
Well, duh. You want to have bunch of Mary Sues and Gary Stus? Mahouka and SAO are considered garbage exactly because of that.
By "dame", I think he meant "flawed", which is actually very good protagonist to have.


I think OP never asked for that in any point of the post. I don't see how Shuu is a good progonist anyways

I'm just answering the question he forgot to ask. LoL

Sep 3, 2022 10:57 AM
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Piromysl said:
Well, duh. You want to have bunch of Mary Sues and Gary Stus? Mahouka and SAO are considered garbage exactly because of that.
By "dame", I think he meant "flawed", which is actually very good protagonist to have.


LOL at Mahouka and SAO considered garbage , the majority thinks otherwise
Sep 3, 2022 11:20 AM

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xeco said:
Piromysl said:
Well, duh. You want to have bunch of Mary Sues and Gary Stus? Mahouka and SAO are considered garbage exactly because of that.
By "dame", I think he meant "flawed", which is actually very good protagonist to have.


LOL at Mahouka and SAO considered garbage , the majority thinks otherwise

I'm pretty sure the majority actually shares my opinion.

Sep 3, 2022 2:49 PM

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Piromysl said:
Ionliosite2 said:


I think OP never asked for that in any point of the post. I don't see how Shuu is a good progonist anyways

I'm just answering the question he forgot to ask. LoL


The OP did ask it by linking to a shit ANN article that tries to trash the show in general and Shuu in particular.

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Sep 3, 2022 2:51 PM

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borderliner said:
Piromysl said:

I'm just answering the question he forgot to ask. LoL


The OP did ask it by linking to a shit ANN article that tries to trash the show in general and Shuu in particular.


Taking ANN seriously after their absolute shit take on Shield Hero is idiotic in itself.
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titodacat said:
Lolicon said:


He's a penniless freeloader living off other women so, to call him a Chad is an insult to Chad characters.

I mean he can be chad and broke. financial status doesn't equate chad status. also a free loader would mean he isn't paying for anything when he is paying for his rent...

True. You completely can be chadlike hopeless dirty bum. But this Suh guy—or whatever his name is—is just loathsome. Being so leechlike adulterous loser while fucking with every girl in your sight? Of course, they are all thots without a bit of self-respect, but that's simply revolting. They'd better just make it hentai then, it would make more sense and would be more honest.
Sep 3, 2022 7:10 PM
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KingCrucible said:
titodacat said:

I mean he can be chad and broke. financial status doesn't equate chad status. also a free loader would mean he isn't paying for anything when he is paying for his rent...

True. You completely can be chadlike hopeless dirty bum. But this Suh guy—or whatever his name is—is just loathsome. Being so leechlike adulterous loser while fucking with every girl in your sight? Of course, they are all thots without a bit of self-respect, but that's simply revolting. They'd better just make it hentai then, it would make more sense and would be more honest.

bro stop deleting your post if you're just going to re-upload the same damn post. 3 times is by far enough times
Sep 3, 2022 7:42 PM

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titodacat said:
KingCrucible said:

True. You completely can be chadlike hopeless dirty bum. But this Suh guy—or whatever his name is—is just loathsome. Being so leechlike adulterous loser while fucking with every girl in your sight? Of course, they are all thots without a bit of self-respect, but that's simply revolting. They'd better just make it hentai then, it would make more sense and would be more honest.

bro stop deleting your post if you're just going to re-upload the same damn post. 3 times is by far enough times
titodacat said:
KingCrucible said:

True. You completely can be chadlike hopeless dirty bum. But this Suh guy—or whatever his name is—is just loathsome. Being so leechlike adulterous loser while fucking with every girl in your sight? Of course, they are all thots without a bit of self-respect, but that's simply revolting. They'd better just make it hentai then, it would make more sense and would be more honest.

bro stop deleting your post if you're just going to re-upload the same damn post. 3 times is by far enough times

Who did that? o_0 You must be imagining things.
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titodacat said:
KingCrucible said:

True. You completely can be chadlike hopeless dirty bum. But this Suh guy—or whatever his name is—is just loathsome. Being so leechlike adulterous loser while fucking with every girl in your sight? Of course, they are all thots without a bit of self-respect, but that's simply revolting. They'd better just make it hentai then, it would make more sense and would be more honest.

bro stop deleting your post if you're just going to re-upload the same damn post. 3 times is by far enough times

I have to say, heavy weed you got there, my guy.
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KingCrucible said:
titodacat said:

bro stop deleting your post if you're just going to re-upload the same damn post. 3 times is by far enough times

I have to say, heavy weed you got there, my guy.


LMAO its posts like these that give me a good laugh
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Sep 4, 2022 5:45 PM

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Haneken2086 said:

Anyway any guy who uses his dick to poison women cannot be called a hero.


I'll gave it 10/10 just for that. Mhm..
Sep 10, 2022 12:55 PM
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Lolicon said:
titodacat said:

I mean he could be called a hero since the girl was going to kill him, at the very least he can be called a chad and not a beta simp like the usual male mcs in romance. also the show doesn't say anyone is a hero/good, if anything the show has shown us that everyone is extremely selfish


He's a penniless freeloader living off other women so, to call him a Chad is an insult to Chad characters.
man is legit loosing him memories every episode but ye lets describe him as a pennyless freeloader and the show is not even finished you dont even know how he was before he made the contract with the demon and lost his memories
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Would be so much better if the directing, especially the tone and atmosphere matched that.




Sep 22, 2022 12:02 AM
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So what? I like my characters flawed and in the grey zone.

I dislike morally flawless MCs that are overpowered like Kirito or Chisato (they are pretty much self-insert characters for appealing to normies). At least Ainz in Overlord is OP but evil which gives his character a little bit more depth.

The best characters are the ones who are grey because that's the most relatable and realistic, and also not OP so they actually need to face real threats, fight real battles, and make painful sacrifices.
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Look the MC was going to get criticized more simply because Shu reminds me of Guilty Crown and what a debacle that show was.

This show has so many echoes of GC its kind of crazy. (Yeah it doesn't have lots of weird powers, but Kisara is basically Shu's sword.)
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Ayano deserved better, lol
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This anime has what I call tasteful fan-service. But fair enough, the MC at least is unlikable, still a good guy though. I've seen protagonists that fit the scum role much better, in my eyes he's redeemed himself.

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