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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ----------------------------------------  This was a nice episode, it explained a bunch of things that some anime viewers couldn't quite understand at first. But man, this pacing, next episode might be a train wreck...... |
| It's funny that the episode that is the best adaption-wise has one of my least favorite scenes in all of Umineko. It looks like the last episode will fail after all. The part at the beginning was important so I'm glad the kept that. And there were seagulls everywhere so I'll give it a 2/5 just for that. And it was nice to see an episode that didn't feel rushed. |
PsychFreak said: But man, this pacing, next episode might be a train wreck...... You said it. DEEN left out way too much things for the last episode (if there's no episode 27). |
| It was a good episode, don't great, but at least it wasn't rushed as the last one and they kept some important parts. I just hope DEEN won't destroy the last episode. Please, please! Don't destroy my favorite scene in the whole show! |
| If it weren't for the fact that next week it would be supposedly the final episode, I would rate this a 4/5 due to keeping most of it intact as well as use of quite a few of VN BGM's as well as the gore for Eva. However it's too late for them to slack around with this pacing and I am afraid it will cost the next episode dearly. with that said this episode gets a 2/5 from me |
| I really dont feel that I even need to justify rating this a 2/5 or any low ratings anymore - I had little hope for 26 now I have nearly none sigh |
sirwenceDec 16, 2009 1:39 PM
| -_-; Why do I get the feeling Deen reads the VN while they make the anime and thought that the tea party was going to be short like all the others.... Besides how badly this episode screws over ep26 (unless there is an ep27, but the probability of that is a quadrillion to one) this episode was pretty good. Though if Deen wanted to screw themselves over for ep26 they should have saved this pacing for the super rushed ep24...... Kinda of thought they would show the sniper rifle that Amakusa was carrying this ep since they didn't show it when they were supposed to in the anime. |
| Well enjoy episode 25 and episode 26 next week, because there there's a pretty big possibility that Chiru won't get animated. It'll be funny when the VN-fans (Who absolutely hate this adaptation and thinks DEEN is the worst studio ever) complain next year that it's not getting animated. And if it doesn't get animated, I'll blame VN fans completely. |
Rail_Tracer said: Well enjoy episode 25 and episode 26 next week, because there there's a pretty big possibility that Chiru won't get animated. It'll be funny when the VN-fans (Who absolutely hate this adaptation and thinks DEEN is the worst studio ever) complain next year that it's not getting animated. And if it doesn't get animated, I'll blame VN fans completely. Nah I dont want it animated , not by DEEN at the very least- nor would I have complained either way. Maybe you should just stick to speaking for yourself- rather then for others. Or better yet just dont speak ^-^ Kthx bai Darklight0303 said: LOL as if our complaints reach the ears of those idiots at Deen. No the only thing that will reach them is the lack of sales they will get. very true darklight |
| LOL as if our complaints reach the ears of those idiots at Deen. No the only thing that will reach them is the lack of sales they will get. Like the others said I don't want Chiru animated if it's gonna get cut up like a fish on a platter. I can just pray a diff studio will take the license from Deen eventually |
Rail_Tracer said: Well enjoy episode 25 and episode 26 next week, because there there's a pretty big possibility that Chiru won't get animated. It'll be funny when the VN-fans (Who absolutely hate this adaptation and thinks DEEN is the worst studio ever) complain next year that it's not getting animated. And if it doesn't get animated, I'll blame VN fans completely. 100% correct. Couldn't agree with you more Darklight0303 said: LOL as if our complaints reach the ears of those idiots at Deen. No the only thing that will reach them is the lack of sales they will get. Like the others said I don't want Chiru animated if it's gonna get cut up like a fish on a platter. I can just pray a diff studio will take the license from Deen eventually Idiots? The same idiots who made the Higurashi/Kai/Rei adaptation? Which for a slew of people (don't know about you however) considered it to be one of the best anime ever? The same idiots that created the anime adaptation of Rurouni Kenshin, which, IMO, was an instant classic? To call them idiots is just uncalled-for. This adaptation of Umineko is pretty good, and a lot of anime-only viewers will agree with me. (I've seen some of Episode III and IV of the VN, hated it. Liked the Anime better). Just because they don't add your precious little scenes, which most of us anime-only viewers don't need to know to fully understand the anime (or episode), doesn't make them idiots. I doubt a different studio would get Chiru. The anime is not popular enough (as you can see from the DVD sales). Even if it does get a different studio, you'll see it with a biased eye and still complain about everything. So what's the point? |
Animefan1929Dec 16, 2009 3:13 PM
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| Higurashi gets just as much hate for messing up the visual novel as Umineko sorry to break it to ya. the only reason why it's not more pronounced is that the novels have barely begun being translated properly. If Deen was so good then tell me why the stuff in this thread took place. THEY DON'T GIVE A RATS ASS http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=143156 Just because a studio once shined in the past doesn't mean it can't start to suck in the present. For that YES they are idiots. They may not have been when making Rurouni Kenshin but THEY ARE NOW |
Darklight0303Dec 16, 2009 3:19 PM
Skreecher said: I think a lot of people need to learn to separate the sound novel from the anime. If you don't like the anime, the sound novel will always be there for you to enjoy. I read the sound novel, and I loved it, but I also love the anime. That aside, I really like this episode. I really like the scenes of ange and maria's diary. I also really like the fact that they kept my favorite quote I wonder if you will say that next week when they will cram together material to fill 2 episodes into a single episode >_> |
Rail_Tracer said: Well enjoy episode 25 and episode 26 next week, because there there's a pretty big possibility that Chiru won't get animated. It'll be funny when the VN-fans (Who absolutely hate this adaptation and thinks DEEN is the worst studio ever) complain next year that it's not getting animated. And if it doesn't get animated, I'll blame VN fans completely. Blame Japan for not buying the DVDs. |
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Darklight0303 said: Higurashi gets just as much hate for messing up the visual novel as Umineko sorry to break it to ya. the only reason why it's not more pronounced is that the novels have barely begun being translated properly. If Deen was so good then tell me why the stuff in this thread took place. THEY DON'T GIVE A RATS ASS http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=143156 I know for a fact that Umineko gets way more hate then Higurashi. EVERYWHERE, it could be boards, or youtube, it's non-stop whining that some parts were missing from the VN. Yes, higurashi gets hate, but it's NO WHERE near Umineko's. Animation errors? Probably more then half of every anime (it doesn't have to come from DEEN) has some sort of animation error. Same thing goes with americanized cartoons. |
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Animefan1929 said: Darklight0303 said: Higurashi gets just as much hate for messing up the visual novel as Umineko sorry to break it to ya. the only reason why it's not more pronounced is that the novels have barely begun being translated properly. If Deen was so good then tell me why the stuff in this thread took place. THEY DON'T GIVE A RATS ASS http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=143156 I know for a fact that Umineko gets way more hate then Higurashi. EVERYWHERE, it could be boards, or youtube, it's non-stop whining that some parts were missing from the VN. Yes, higurashi gets hate, but it's NO WHERE near Umineko's. Animation errors? Probably more then half of every anime (it doesn't have to come from DEEN) has some sort of animation error. Same thing goes with americanized cartoons. What you see now is what is left of the hate. You can bet that had the novels for Higurashi been translated at the very same time with the anime being made the hate would be just as widespread if not more. Higurashi got lucky the translations started AFTER it was over. People don't bother hating too much on something ALREADY OVER. Umineko is ongoing and guess what the novels and the Manga are going at the same time more or less. Of course the hatred would be more intense widespread and visible. Oh I am sure there are but they are not SO BLATANT as what Deen thinks they can get away with. |
Darklight0303 said: Just because a studio once shined in the past doesn't mean it can't start to suck in the present. For that YES they are idiots. They may not have been when making Rurouni Kenshin but THEY ARE NOW The same idiots that are CURRENTLY still airing Seitokai no Ichizon? Again, uncalled-for. |
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| lol @ the elitist VNfags complaining every episode, wouldnt the ones at fault in this case be Witch Hunt for translating Umineko before it became an anime? I bet that this show would be rated WAAAAAAAAAAY higher if people had not played the VN first, just like with Higurashi and its ridiculous scores despite being as badly produced as Umineko (or so the VNfags say again)...This is why I started playing the VN AFTER watching the anime, right now im on ep 4 of the VN (around where ep 21 is) and although I admit its greatly superior I do not blame the anime for cutting scenes short...this VN is EXTREMELY long and trying to fit it in 26 episodes looks extremely hard to do so I cant blame DEEN for trying. The animation although sometimes it lacks at least its not as bad as the animation the first season of Higurashi had, I recall ep 24 looked like shit. My only real complain about Umineko anime after having read the VN is that they really should've used a lot of the better music on the anime, it would've made it MUCH better than it already is. Also I cant wait to see how much people suck up to DEEN once the UBW movie is out |
game8910 said: lol @ the elitist VNfags complaining every episode, wouldnt the ones at fault in this case be Witch Hunt for translating Umineko before it became an anime? I bet that this show would be rated WAAAAAAAAAAY higher if people had not played the VN first, just like with Higurashi and its ridiculous scores despite being as badly produced as Umineko (or so the VNfags say again)...This is why I started playing the VN AFTER watching the anime, right now im on ep 4 of the VN (around where ep 21 is) and although I admit its greatly superior I do not blame the anime for cutting scenes short...this VN is EXTREMELY long and trying to fit it in 26 episodes looks extremely hard to do so I cant blame DEEN for trying. The animation although sometimes it lacks at least its not as bad as the animation the first season of Higurashi had, I recall ep 24 looked like shit. My only real complain about Umineko anime after having read the VN is that they really should've used a lot of the better music on the anime, it would've made it MUCH better than it already is. Also I cant wait to see how much people suck up to DEEN once the UBW movie is out Qft. I wish the VN wasn't translated (Fully or Completely, doesn't really matter) until after the anime (Original and Chiru) was finished (just like the Higurashi trilogy). Just imagine it, no VN-fans bitching in every episode discussion about the little parts (which I consider filler because it's not needed to understand the anime/episode) that DEEN left out. I also agree with you about the VN being very long and the VN-fans expecting to see EVERY LITTLE SCENE and EVERY LITTLE PART animated in a 26 episode range. Ridiculous. |
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| The anime sucks even without the VN to compare with anyway. And the anime isn't bad for not containing everything. It is bad because it just pulls everything off without zeal, excellence, passion, sensitivity, inspiration, humanity, respect or anything remotely resembling the faintest measures of intelligence. It slops it up like a heap of badly cooked potato mash on our screens and expect us to chew it up without tasting its dry, hackneyed, shallow and grey taste. It is an insult to the dignity, mental acuity, and æsthetic sensibilities of the viewer. In short, it is a monstrosity, regardless of whether it is comparable with the VN or not. |
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| Next episode most assuredly is going to be a disaster, unfortunately. It is nice to have a scene adapted with such accuracy as we had in this episode, and I always felt that this scene might have some great importance in solving the mystery, there just seemed to be something about it. And God, I know that some VN players are obnoxious, but nowhere near as much as these irritating and ignorant little twats who complain about them. You all need your existences denied by Rosa. :/ You're too pathetic to be allowed on the internet without adult supervision. For serious, the only thing that needs to be said to all of you is: LOOK AT THE FUCKING DVD SALES. I think the second DVD sold about 600 copies and didn't even chart. It's a fucking disgrace. They had something that was guaranteed to sell well and they managed to screw it up that badly? How anyone can deny that is beyond me. You must be fucking delusional. |
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| The Endless Eight Haruhi DVDs are selling well too. |
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MarthX said: The Endless Eight Haruhi DVDs are selling well too. KyoAni should adapt Chiru |
| Eva-Beatrice is back! lol, way to torture a teenage girl~ though i think she lacks the siestas here to be really fun.... and it felt like she was just standing there talking to herself, nobodys listening... :-( Overall a nice slow episode unlike the usual umineko and quite a few hints are given, though i am unable to make something out of thos somehow... final ep next week...cant wait... and about the drama(?) in this thread, I'd say this: June_1983 said: June_1983 takes words out of my mouth~And God, I know that some VN players are obnoxious, but nowhere near as much as these irritating and ignorant little twats who complain about them. You all need your existences denied by Rosa. :/ You're too pathetic to be allowed on the internet without adult supervision. |
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June_1983 said: And God, I know that some VN players are obnoxious, but nowhere near as much as these irritating and ignorant little twats who complain about them. You all need your existences denied by Rosa. :/ You're too pathetic to be allowed on the internet without adult supervision. Are you kidding? We're irritating? Us anime-only users have been ranting since probably a few weeks ago, VN-readers however have been irritating the crap out of us anime-only users since last July (when the anime started) with your non-stop bitching on every single thread in the Umineko board. |
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PlatinumHawke said: This is Ryukishi07 were talking about. Cutting out seemingly unimportant dialog can come back to bite you in the ass. Well, most of the people here got mad because DEEN used the whole episode for a less important scene. |
| you know, while reading the vn just now, I had this weird thought... Kinzo is supposed to have 4 children with his wife... and he is also supposed to have had a lover named Beatrice for a period of time before she died/disappeared... There is supposed to be no child between Kinzo and his lover....but... If we look at the age of the 4 children of Kinzo: While Krauss, Eva and Rudolf are all about the same age (1-2 years between each of them), Rosa is at least 10-15 years younger than Rudolf. This can be vaguely calculated by the age of the grandchildren. So this is now what I thought: Is Rosa really the daughter of Kinzo's first wife? Isnt it far more natural to assume that she is the daughter of Kinzo's late lover Beatrice? Ok, I know I have no proof or etc...just thought might want to hear soe opinion on that~ edit: forgot that Rosa said she actually met the human Beatrice before she died... |
vinesageDec 16, 2009 7:47 PM
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| I also agree that if the VNs were not translated the anime would be rated way higher, but I don't think it would be better if the VNs were not translated at all. I love reading them. I try to forget the VN when I watch the anime, so I can appreciate it for what it is. It really isn't that bad. My only issue with it is that I feel things could be explained a little more. There are several things I would still be very confused about if I had not read the VN. Especially how DEEN doesn't make certain dialogue RED when it should be. |
Denwa said: Meanwhile at witch hunt...... It just became a meme, no hard feelings. |
| Why would anyone hate Witch Hunt? They've done a fantastic job. Building up a large english community before the anime airs is something you rarely see. The fault isn't Witch Hunt's for translating the VNs first, it's DEEN's for doing such a terrible job. The anime could have been a lot better. |
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| The episode itself was fine, but DEEN left out too much stuff for the last episode. How the Hell are they going to cram the end of EP4 into a single episode is beyond my imagination. They will probably have to cut important things out, which isn’t good at all for the anime-only viewers. Seriously I don’t understand DEEN’s choices. They cut scenes which should have been kept and they dedicate a whole episode for a scene which could have been shortened without affecting the whole story. |
| Very well adapted episode with some nice visual clues that were not able to be conveyed in the SN.... okay, that's out of the way. I've been sticking up for DEEN for the past 25 episodes and I think the anime adaptation is fine despite the ups and downs. Now all I have to say is... the last episode will most likely be a travesty. |
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| I enjoy this anime adaptation for what it is. As an adaptation. Simple as that. Does it measure up to the SN? No, not at all. But I've come to accept that animating Umineko correctly will take an amazing staff who not only love the source material, but is willing to shelve out MAJOR cash for it. In other words, I honestly don't think an adaptation of Umineko can be done; AT LEAST, while maintaining the same characterization, pacing, and atmosphere of the SNs (maybe 50+ episodes could theoretically be enough to get in the first 4 episodes of the SN) I don't see what all the major complaining is about. Even if the anime is utter garbage in comparison to the SN, that doesn't change how good the SN is. If anything, it opens people who have never played the SNs to the world of Umineko. Afterall, I would have never played the SNs had I never watched the anime. It really is a win-win situation for SN fans. You get a craptastic anime adaption you can ignore yet changes nothing about the original game, AND you get new fans that are eager to discuss the SN after they themselves play it. The anime is not great, but I dont care. I'm just glad it introduced me to the SNs. And so I'm not off topic. THIS episode, is how Umineko should have been paced from the very beginning. Perhaps even slower. Why DEEN chose to slow things down right before the last episode is pretty unusual. But I'm looking forward to the epic conclusion. |
seraphjeiDec 17, 2009 1:55 AM
| Man, how could those men in suits beat up on Ange, that was like messed up. Now I'm just left to wonder when the whole series came spiraling down for me... |
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